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Buying my first riding mower / lawn tractor.
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Noodles
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Noodles
Hey everyone – brand new here and could use some of your expert opinions! I get the impression that I’m going to be the rookie amongst a bunch of enthusiasts and professionals with much larger needs, but I hope you don’t mind helping me out.
I just moved to a larger piece of property – about 0.6 acres all-in, including the house. This past summer (first year in the house) I only maintained the front – it’s beautiful sod and was able to mow/trim in about 45 minutes with my push mower. This year I’m going to start keeping the back nice as well (the lawn is not NEARLY as nice back there) and think I need to step up to a riding mower / lawn tractor . I’ve never bought a rider before and could really use some advice. I don’t have a budget per se, since I’m willing to pay the price that makes the most sense, but from some basic research I hoping it’s possible to pay in the $1.5 - $2k range. Let me know if that’s crazy.
Here is some basic info/questions, but let me know what else is needed:
- Located in Long Island, NY.
- Property is pretty much entirely flat, with almost no trees. I have to maneuver around a bit of landscaping in the front, but nothing crazy.
- I need to be able to get up and over the bricks that line the driveway.
- Need to be able to fit through the fence gate – I don’t have the measurements on me (I can get it), but it’s standard sized gate for a PVC fence.
- I prefer to mulch vs bag – do I actually need a mulching kit? Would prefer to not buy anything else. I would like to option to buy a bagging kit in the future if I change my mind.
- I generally mow high, around 3.5” – 4” if I had to guess (highest setting on the push mower). Not sure if that matters?
- The machine will be used for mowing 95% of the time (I mow once a week). I guess it would be nice to be able to perform other tasks, but I don’t currently have plans for that. Is there something I should be considering here?
- It would be very convenient to buy from Home Depot or Lowes. I’m expecting that people recommend I go to a dealer, but that would mean more $$$. Online retailers?
- Are there any sales coming up I should know about?
- What brands can be trusted? I know the big names (John Deere, Husqvarna, Cub Cadet), but what about others like Poulan, Craftsman, Toro etc? Even with the bigger names, I assume they have different grades of quality?
- I’ll be maintaining it myself, so want something that is easy to take care of.
- Separately, I need to buy a snow blower, too. I’ve pretty much been told that it’s a better idea to get a separate machine for that, but I have toyed with the idea of a plow attachment for the tractor. I live on a main road and get plowed in very badly, so need some power to clear it out. Maybe I can get a deal by buying both machines at once?
Ultimately, I don’t need anything too fancy, but I want it to work well and last a while. I really care about my lawn and put alot of effort in to keeping it nice. This is why I’d rather buy a machine to do it exactly how I want instead of paying a landscaping coming to do it.
Thanks for the help.
I just moved to a larger piece of property – about 0.6 acres all-in, including the house. This past summer (first year in the house) I only maintained the front – it’s beautiful sod and was able to mow/trim in about 45 minutes with my push mower. This year I’m going to start keeping the back nice as well (the lawn is not NEARLY as nice back there) and think I need to step up to a riding mower / lawn tractor . I’ve never bought a rider before and could really use some advice. I don’t have a budget per se, since I’m willing to pay the price that makes the most sense, but from some basic research I hoping it’s possible to pay in the $1.5 - $2k range. Let me know if that’s crazy.
Here is some basic info/questions, but let me know what else is needed:
- Located in Long Island, NY.
- Property is pretty much entirely flat, with almost no trees. I have to maneuver around a bit of landscaping in the front, but nothing crazy.
- I need to be able to get up and over the bricks that line the driveway.
- Need to be able to fit through the fence gate – I don’t have the measurements on me (I can get it), but it’s standard sized gate for a PVC fence.
- I prefer to mulch vs bag – do I actually need a mulching kit? Would prefer to not buy anything else. I would like to option to buy a bagging kit in the future if I change my mind.
- I generally mow high, around 3.5” – 4” if I had to guess (highest setting on the push mower). Not sure if that matters?
- The machine will be used for mowing 95% of the time (I mow once a week). I guess it would be nice to be able to perform other tasks, but I don’t currently have plans for that. Is there something I should be considering here?
- It would be very convenient to buy from Home Depot or Lowes. I’m expecting that people recommend I go to a dealer, but that would mean more $$$. Online retailers?
- Are there any sales coming up I should know about?
- What brands can be trusted? I know the big names (John Deere, Husqvarna, Cub Cadet), but what about others like Poulan, Craftsman, Toro etc? Even with the bigger names, I assume they have different grades of quality?
- I’ll be maintaining it myself, so want something that is easy to take care of.
- Separately, I need to buy a snow blower, too. I’ve pretty much been told that it’s a better idea to get a separate machine for that, but I have toyed with the idea of a plow attachment for the tractor. I live on a main road and get plowed in very badly, so need some power to clear it out. Maybe I can get a deal by buying both machines at once?
Ultimately, I don’t need anything too fancy, but I want it to work well and last a while. I really care about my lawn and put alot of effort in to keeping it nice. This is why I’d rather buy a machine to do it exactly how I want instead of paying a landscaping coming to do it.
Thanks for the help.
#2
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cruzenmike
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cruzenmike
My opinion is a best that of a novice, but at the price point you are shopping, most of the mowers will be variations of the same MTD built unit. Yes, some manufacturers make their "own" models, but considering MTD owns many of the companies and you will find the same transmission and engines in most of these, it comes down to little features that separate them and what you prefer. As for your yard, with any obstacles you may do some back and forth unless you have a zero turn which just cannot be had for these prices. As for the bricks to get over, you would have to measure the ground clearance with the deck up on each one that you are looking for and account for the ground to give some, especially with a rider on it. Might be better off having a dedicated spot to enter and exit the driveway that can be graded to make this task easier and safer. I personally looked at the Troy Built Bronco 50" for $1899 but if you get a smaller deck, say a 42", you options open up a bit.
#3
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Noodles
Thanks for the response. The big box brands I'm looking at are Cub Cadet, Husqvarna, Toro and (maybe) Craftsman. Are they all MTD?
Also, I've been told that John Deere does not make a separate, lower quality line for HD/Lowers - meaning as long as the model number is the same, it doesn't matter if I get it from those stores or a dealer. Do you know is that is true? Looks like I can get a lower end Deere in my price range - I have to assume the quality is better, but it won't have as many features as those other brands.
Are there any features that I should be looking for? I'm thinking things that make maintenance easier (easy access to blades, ability to quickly remove the deck, easy/clean way to drain oil, etc.). Or are all brands pretty similar in this regard?
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Noodles
My opinion is a best that of a novice, but at the price point you are shopping, most of the mowers will be variations of the same MTD built unit. Yes, some manufacturers make their "own" models, but considering MTD owns many of the companies and you will find the same transmission and engines in most of these, it comes down to little features that separate them and what you prefer. As for your yard, with any obstacles you may do some back and forth unless you have a zero turn which just cannot be had for these prices. As for the bricks to get over, you would have to measure the ground clearance with the deck up on each one that you are looking for and account for the ground to give some, especially with a rider on it. Might be better off having a dedicated spot to enter and exit the driveway that can be graded to make this task easier and safer. I personally looked at the Troy Built Bronco 50" for $1899 but if you get a smaller deck, say a 42", you options open up a bit.
Thanks for the response. The big box brands I'm looking at are Cub Cadet, Husqvarna, Toro and (maybe) Craftsman. Are they all MTD?
Also, I've been told that John Deere does not make a separate, lower quality line for HD/Lowers - meaning as long as the model number is the same, it doesn't matter if I get it from those stores or a dealer. Do you know is that is true? Looks like I can get a lower end Deere in my price range - I have to assume the quality is better, but it won't have as many features as those other brands.
Are there any features that I should be looking for? I'm thinking things that make maintenance easier (easy access to blades, ability to quickly remove the deck, easy/clean way to drain oil, etc.). Or are all brands pretty similar in this regard?
#4
NorthBama
NorthBama
I am voting for the John Deere X300 series. It is twice the mower as the 100 series sold at the big box stores. Of course the price is price is 2x also.
#5
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Noodles
I think that one is likely going to be beyond my budget. But can you help me understand what makes the X series "twice the mower" when compared to the D series? And what about the S240 (though still prob beyond my budget)?
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Noodles
I am voting for the John Deere X300 series. It is twice the mower as the 100 series sold at the big box stores. Of course the price is price is 2x also.
I think that one is likely going to be beyond my budget. But can you help me understand what makes the X series "twice the mower" when compared to the D series? And what about the S240 (though still prob beyond my budget)?
#6
NorthBama
NorthBama
https://www.deere.com/en_US/products/equipment/riding_mowers/lawn_tractors/lawn_tractors.page?
read the reviews and the features and compare the 100 to the 300 series.
read the reviews and the features and compare the 100 to the 300 series.
#8
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Noodles
So I was just at Home Depot and looked at that Deere. For the same price I can get a Cub Cadet with a bigger deck (46 vs 42) and more power (22hp vs 19hp). Since the D series is Deere "entry level" anyway, would I not be better getting the Cub? If I were getting a higher end model I think the Deere would be the logical choice, but at my price point(and for my needs) I'm struggling to see the value in the green paint.
I hope I'm not coming off as ignoring people's advice or just trying to justify buying a cheaper machine. Help me understand !!
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Noodles
D110 is your machine.
So I was just at Home Depot and looked at that Deere. For the same price I can get a Cub Cadet with a bigger deck (46 vs 42) and more power (22hp vs 19hp). Since the D series is Deere "entry level" anyway, would I not be better getting the Cub? If I were getting a higher end model I think the Deere would be the logical choice, but at my price point(and for my needs) I'm struggling to see the value in the green paint.
I hope I'm not coming off as ignoring people's advice or just trying to justify buying a cheaper machine. Help me understand !!
#9
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cruzenmike
As you research until your head explodes, you will find that there are incremental improvements in deck size, engine power and so on as you inch your way up to and past your budget. As for John Deere, I believe them to be great machines, but like you stated, you would be paying for green paint. In most cases they are ~$200 more expensive than the closest Cub Cadet or alike. I suggest you think long and hard about the single most important thing to you, whether it be tight turning radius for landscaping, or raw power for cutting through wet or tall grass, and then determine from there what to pick. At the end of the day if you just want a good value, sort top ranking mowers and pick the one with the most agreeable price. When you are outside of the commercial mower world, you can split hairs all day long trying to pick one over the other, but I do not know one single person with a rider that has had a lot of problems or really hated the purchase they made. You simply have to live with compromise. Good Luck!
Mike
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cruzenmike
So I was just at Home Depot and looked at that Deere. For the same price I can get a Cub Cadet with a bigger deck (46 vs 42) and more power (22hp vs 19hp). Since the D series is Deere "entry level" anyway, would I not be better getting the Cub? If I were getting a higher end model I think the Deere would be the logical choice, but at my price point(and for my needs) I'm struggling to see the value in the green paint.
I hope I'm not coming off as ignoring people's advice or just trying to justify buying a cheaper machine. Help me understand !!
As you research until your head explodes, you will find that there are incremental improvements in deck size, engine power and so on as you inch your way up to and past your budget. As for John Deere, I believe them to be great machines, but like you stated, you would be paying for green paint. In most cases they are ~$200 more expensive than the closest Cub Cadet or alike. I suggest you think long and hard about the single most important thing to you, whether it be tight turning radius for landscaping, or raw power for cutting through wet or tall grass, and then determine from there what to pick. At the end of the day if you just want a good value, sort top ranking mowers and pick the one with the most agreeable price. When you are outside of the commercial mower world, you can split hairs all day long trying to pick one over the other, but I do not know one single person with a rider that has had a lot of problems or really hated the purchase they made. You simply have to live with compromise. Good Luck!
Mike
#10
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Noodles
I was hoping that someone would help me see the light and convince me that a higher end model makes more sense. I'm still open to being convinced but for now I'm not sure a Deere makes sense for me.
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Noodles
This might be the most helpful comment. At my price point, and my needs, I really can't make a terrible decision. The mowers really are very similar, so it's just a matter of finding the right compromise.As you research until your head explodes, you will find that there are incremental improvements in deck size, engine power and so on as you inch your way up to and past your budget. As for John Deere, I believe them to be great machines, but like you stated, you would be paying for green paint. In most cases they are ~$200 more expensive than the closest Cub Cadet or alike. I suggest you think long and hard about the single most important thing to you, whether it be tight turning radius for landscaping, or raw power for cutting through wet or tall grass, and then determine from there what to pick. At the end of the day if you just want a good value, sort top ranking mowers and pick the one with the most agreeable price. When you are outside of the commercial mower world, you can split hairs all day long trying to pick one over the other, but I do not know one single person with a rider that has had a lot of problems or really hated the purchase they made. You simply have to live with compromise. Good Luck!
Mike
I was hoping that someone would help me see the light and convince me that a higher end model makes more sense. I'm still open to being convinced but for now I'm not sure a Deere makes sense for me.
#11
Boobala
A little reminder... measure your gate openings !! I had a friend that in the excitement of a big sale ....bought a mower with a deck larger than his fence opening ..... wound up using his neighbors push mower to do his backyard until he had the fence people remedy his issue with larger costly gates... also .... have you thought about where this machine will reside when not in use ??
leaving a machine in the elements definitely shortens it life span... NOT trying to break your bubble ... however there are a few other considerations not to be overlooked in our excitement of getting a new "toy" ...:2cents: ..:thumbsup:..Boobala
Boobala
This might be the most helpful comment. At my price point, and my needs, I really can't make a terrible decision. The mowers really are very similar, so it's just a matter of finding the right compromise.
I was hoping that someone would help me see the light and convince me that a higher end model makes more sense. I'm still open to being convinced but for now I'm not sure a Deere makes sense for me.
A little reminder... measure your gate openings !! I had a friend that in the excitement of a big sale ....bought a mower with a deck larger than his fence opening ..... wound up using his neighbors push mower to do his backyard until he had the fence people remedy his issue with larger costly gates... also .... have you thought about where this machine will reside when not in use ??
leaving a machine in the elements definitely shortens it life span... NOT trying to break your bubble ... however there are a few other considerations not to be overlooked in our excitement of getting a new "toy" ...:2cents: ..:thumbsup:..Boobala
#12
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Jack17
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Jack17
I like Deere. Deere is a benchmark! I won't buy a Cub unless it was 30+ y/o and made by IH. Second, try order parts from MTD. Just pick any imaginary model and part and try to get it ordered on-line from MTD. Now do the same with Deere parts store...you'll see the difference for yourself.
#13
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Noodles
Yeah, I appreciate the reminder, and I've been aware of this. So my gate is 51", and I measured the XT1 46" deck at Home Depot and I think it was 48". That's tight but I think doable. What's odd is that the website has it listed as wider. So I need to figure this out.
As for shelter, it will be in the garage or a shed, so I'm ok there.
Edit: just realized that the width on the site is likely with the chute down. I measured with it up. Either way I need to confirm.
N
Noodles
A little reminder... measure your gate openings !! I had a friend that in the excitement of a big sale ....bought a mower with a deck larger than his fence opening ..... wound up using his neighbors push mower to do his backyard until he had the fence people remedy his issue with larger costly gates... also .... have you thought about where this machine will reside when not in use ??
leaving a machine in the elements definitely shortens it life span... NOT trying to break your bubble ... however there are a few other considerations not to be overlooked in our excitement of getting a new "toy" ...:2cents: ..:thumbsup:..Boobala
Yeah, I appreciate the reminder, and I've been aware of this. So my gate is 51", and I measured the XT1 46" deck at Home Depot and I think it was 48". That's tight but I think doable. What's odd is that the website has it listed as wider. So I need to figure this out.
As for shelter, it will be in the garage or a shed, so I'm ok there.
Edit: just realized that the width on the site is likely with the chute down. I measured with it up. Either way I need to confirm.
#14
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SeniorCitizen
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SeniorCitizen
QUOTE: Noodles- I’ll be maintaining it myself, so want something that is easy to take care of.
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That eliminates a 3 blade deck. Sure some will say it makes no difference but believe me a 2 blade deck is easier to maintain than a 3 blade.
Jack17 said D110 is the mower you need and he is correct. I believe the spring sale is over. Maybe you can still deal at a dealer but i doubt lowes will.
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That eliminates a 3 blade deck. Sure some will say it makes no difference but believe me a 2 blade deck is easier to maintain than a 3 blade.
Jack17 said D110 is the mower you need and he is correct. I believe the spring sale is over. Maybe you can still deal at a dealer but i doubt lowes will.
#15
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Jack17
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Jack17
D110 is a "beginning" of something half decent. Something that was meant and if maintained in proper way to last. I won't buy D105 because of CVT. I just hate those things with passion...bad experience with 917.xxxxx made Craftsman. :thumbdown:
#16
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Noodles
I think I've only been looking at 2 blade decks but I'll keep this in mind - thanks.
I'd still love someone to tell me why the D110 is worth the extra cost over the Cub Cadet. On paper the CC has much better specs.
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Noodles
QUOTE: Noodles- I’ll be maintaining it myself, so want something that is easy to take care of.
****************************************************************
That eliminates a 3 blade deck. Sure some will say it makes no difference but believe me a 2 blade deck is easier to maintain than a 3 blade.
Jack17 said D110 is the mower you need and he is correct. I believe the spring sale is over. Maybe you can still deal at a dealer but i doubt lowes will.
I think I've only been looking at 2 blade decks but I'll keep this in mind - thanks.
I'd still love someone to tell me why the D110 is worth the extra cost over the Cub Cadet. On paper the CC has much better specs.
#17
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Jack17
For me, primarily, its the engine. XT1 comes with Kohler SV541 (single courage) while Deere got Intek.
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Jack17
I'd still love someone to tell me why the D110 is worth the extra cost over the Cub Cadet. On paper the CC has much better specs.
For me, primarily, its the engine. XT1 comes with Kohler SV541 (single courage) while Deere got Intek.
#18
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cruzenmike
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cruzenmike
You only need to convince yourself! If you cannot, get the Cub Cadet. You likely won't be disappointed with either, but I will say, you probably won't regret having a bigger deck and engine, whereas you could retreat them both being too small. Just a thought. . .
#19
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Noodles
Yup, going with the biggest that will fit. I need to measure again, but my gate is about 51" wide and the mower (with chute up) is 48.5". Going to be close.
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Noodles
You only need to convince yourself! If you cannot, get the Cub Cadet. You likely won't be disappointed with either, but I will say, you probably won't regret having a bigger deck and engine, whereas you could retreat them both being too small. Just a thought. . .
Yup, going with the biggest that will fit. I need to measure again, but my gate is about 51" wide and the mower (with chute up) is 48.5". Going to be close.
#20
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Noodles
What is single courage? The xt1 is a v-twin.
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Noodles
For me, primarily, its the engine. XT1 comes with Kohler SV541 (single courage) while Deere got Intek.
What is single courage? The xt1 is a v-twin.
#21
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Jack17
Are we looking at different mowers? Give me your link to the mower you're looking at please. Could be that I'm wrong?!
I'm looking at this guy:https://www.lowes.com/pd/John-Deere...awn-Mower-with-Mulching-Capability/1000095504
and this guy:http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT42/205617431
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Jack17
What is single courage? The xt1 is a v-twin.
Are we looking at different mowers? Give me your link to the mower you're looking at please. Could be that I'm wrong?!
I'm looking at this guy:https://www.lowes.com/pd/John-Deere...awn-Mower-with-Mulching-Capability/1000095504
and this guy:http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT42/205617431
#22
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Sparkland
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Sparkland
Have you looked on Craigslist? I know most owners say their equipment is in "excellent" condition, when it really is in disrepair. I found a great deal on Craigslist and I used that JD on our 2.75 acres. No regrets until we moved and the new owners requested the JD as part of the deal.
This one is in Denver, just as an example.
https://denver.craigslist.org/grd/5952424646.html
This one is in Denver, just as an example.
https://denver.craigslist.org/grd/5952424646.html
#23
primerbulb120
primerbulb120
The John Deere D110 has a 19 HP single cylinder John Deere-branded engine. http://www.homedepot.com/p/John-Dee...c-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-BG20982/300241279
The Cub Cadet XT1 with 46 inch deck has a Kohler twin cylinder engine. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT46/205617433
The Cub Cadet XT1 with 42 inch deck has a Kohler single cylinder engine. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT42/205617431
John Deere parts are ridiculously expensive. The V-twin Kohler is a better engine IMO than the 19 HP John Deere single. The Cub also looks to be better built.
The reason the JD is more expensive is because it has green paint.
I would go with the Cub Cadet with the 46 inch deck.
The Cub Cadet XT1 with 46 inch deck has a Kohler twin cylinder engine. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT46/205617433
The Cub Cadet XT1 with 42 inch deck has a Kohler single cylinder engine. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT42/205617431
John Deere parts are ridiculously expensive. The V-twin Kohler is a better engine IMO than the 19 HP John Deere single. The Cub also looks to be better built.
The reason the JD is more expensive is because it has green paint.
I would go with the Cub Cadet with the 46 inch deck.
#24
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Noodles
Someone else posted the links, but the 46" has the two cylinder. The 42" is a single.
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Noodles
Are we looking at different mowers? Give me your link to the mower you're looking at please. Could be that I'm wrong?!
I'm looking at this guy:https://www.lowes.com/pd/John-Deere...awn-Mower-with-Mulching-Capability/1000095504
and this guy:http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cub-Cade...-Gas-Front-Engine-Riding-Mower-LT42/205617431
Someone else posted the links, but the 46" has the two cylinder. The 42" is a single.
#25
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Jack17
I'm sorry but you've lost me here. Didn't you say that you "have a gate" on your property? Iwasn't even looking at 46" because of that. Now you wanna a 46 so that changes alot!
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Jack17
Someone else posted the links, but the 46" has the two cylinder. The 42" is a single.
I'm sorry but you've lost me here. Didn't you say that you "have a gate" on your property? Iwasn't even looking at 46" because of that. Now you wanna a 46 so that changes alot!
#26
primerbulb120
His gate is 51" wide.
primerbulb120
my gate is 51", and I measured the XT1 46" deck at Home Depot and I think it was 48". That's tight but I think doable. What's odd is that the website has it listed as wider. So I need to figure this out.
As for shelter, it will be in the garage or a shed, so I'm ok there.
Edit: just realized that the width on the site is likely with the chute down. I measured with it up. Either way I need to confirm.
His gate is 51" wide.
#28
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Noodles
I'm still going to double check, but it is 54" inches wide. If I pull up the chute, it's about 48". I may just make it.
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Noodles
So...when you look at "assembled width" of a 46" it says...what?
I'm still going to double check, but it is 54" inches wide. If I pull up the chute, it's about 48". I may just make it.
#29
primerbulb120
primerbulb120
The assembled width of the XT1 with 46" deck is
48.5" with the discharge chute up.
54.0" with it down.
Source: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Cub-Cadet-13WPA1CT010-Lawn-Mower/p15438.html
48.5" with the discharge chute up.
54.0" with it down.
Source: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Cub-Cadet-13WPA1CT010-Lawn-Mower/p15438.html
#30
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Noodles
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Noodles
Can I take a step back and ask a basic question? What is the primary purpose of upgrading from a push mower to a rider/tractor? Is it mostly to make the job easier, or faster?
My only real concern is cutting down on mowing time. I'm a relatively young guy don't mind getting a bit of a workout while mowing. Life with three kids means my weekend time is valuable. Obviously the tractor will be faster, but will it be a significant improvement?
While I greatly prefer to maintain my lawn myself, I've been debating between the tractor and a landscaping service. My main fear is that I buy the tractor and it only makes a marginal improvement on time. Then a year or two later I get frustrated and go with the landscaper - meaning I've paid twice and have a tractor I no longer use.
My only real concern is cutting down on mowing time. I'm a relatively young guy don't mind getting a bit of a workout while mowing. Life with three kids means my weekend time is valuable. Obviously the tractor will be faster, but will it be a significant improvement?
While I greatly prefer to maintain my lawn myself, I've been debating between the tractor and a landscaping service. My main fear is that I buy the tractor and it only makes a marginal improvement on time. Then a year or two later I get frustrated and go with the landscaper - meaning I've paid twice and have a tractor I no longer use.
#31
primerbulb120
If your property is fairly open and has few obstacles (trees, landscaping beds, etc.) a lawn tractor will save you a significant amount of time and make the job easier. In addition, your kids can start mowing it for you when they get old enough. :wink:
If you have lots of obstacles, a ZTR or a landscaping company would be my recommendation.
primerbulb120
Can I take a step back and ask a basic question? What is the primary purpose of upgrading from a push mower to a rider/tractor? Is it mostly to make the job easier, or faster?
My only real concern is cutting down on mowing time. I'm a relatively young guy don't mind getting a bit of a workout while mowing. Life with three kids means my weekend time is valuable. Obviously the tractor will be faster, but will it be a significant improvement?
While I greatly prefer to maintain my lawn myself, I've been debating between the tractor and a landscaping service. My main fear is that I buy the tractor and it only makes a marginal improvement on time. Then a year or two later I get frustrated and go with the landscaper - meaning I've paid twice and have a tractor I no longer use.
If your property is fairly open and has few obstacles (trees, landscaping beds, etc.) a lawn tractor will save you a significant amount of time and make the job easier. In addition, your kids can start mowing it for you when they get old enough. :wink:
If you have lots of obstacles, a ZTR or a landscaping company would be my recommendation.
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Noodles
Yeah, I'm pretty open with only a few obstacles. I kind of figured that the larger deck and speed would make a big difference, but I wanted to confirm. I didn't want to spend $2k to only save 15 minutes, ya know? Hoping I can do front and back in about an hour.
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Noodles
If your property is fairly open and has few obstacles (trees, landscaping beds, etc.) a lawn tractor will save you a significant amount of time and make the job easier. In addition, your kids can start mowing it for you when they get old enough. :wink:
If you have lots of obstacles, a ZTR or a landscaping company would be my recommendation.
Yeah, I'm pretty open with only a few obstacles. I kind of figured that the larger deck and speed would make a big difference, but I wanted to confirm. I didn't want to spend $2k to only save 15 minutes, ya know? Hoping I can do front and back in about an hour.
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primerbulb120
The speed and larger deck will make a big difference. However there is a learning curve you will have to go through before you figure out what mowing patterns are most efficient, so don't worry if your first mows take you longer than you want. You'll get the hang of it after a month or two. :thumbsup:
primerbulb120
Yeah, I'm pretty open with only a few obstacles. I kind of figured that the larger deck and speed would make a big difference, but I wanted to confirm. I didn't want to spend $2k to only save 15 minutes, ya know? Hoping I can do front and back in about an hour.
The speed and larger deck will make a big difference. However there is a learning curve you will have to go through before you figure out what mowing patterns are most efficient, so don't worry if your first mows take you longer than you want. You'll get the hang of it after a month or two. :thumbsup:
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Noodles
Yeah, I kinda figured that the first few mows will be a bit sloppy - having to make awkward turns, back myself out of a corner or wondering why I'm mowing the same spot for the 5th time.
How do you handle making passes directly next to each other? Without a ZTR i prob can't do that without making a 3-point turn.
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Noodles
The speed and larger deck will make a big difference. However there is a learning curve you will have to go through before you figure out what mowing patterns are most efficient, so don't worry if your first mows take you longer than you want. You'll get the hang of it after a month or two. :thumbsup:
Yeah, I kinda figured that the first few mows will be a bit sloppy - having to make awkward turns, back myself out of a corner or wondering why I'm mowing the same spot for the 5th time.
How do you handle making passes directly next to each other? Without a ZTR i prob can't do that without making a 3-point turn.
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primerbulb120
Yeah, you'll have to do three-point turns.
If your yard doesn't really stripe well, you can just mow in a spiral pattern starting at the outside and spiraling in toward the center. That way you won't have to make as many turns. :thumbsup:
primerbulb120
Yeah, I kinda figured that the first few mows will be a bit sloppy - having to make awkward turns, back myself out of a corner or wondering why I'm mowing the same spot for the 5th time.
How do you handle making passes directly next to each other? Without a ZTR i prob can't do that without making a 3-point turn.
Yeah, you'll have to do three-point turns.
If your yard doesn't really stripe well, you can just mow in a spiral pattern starting at the outside and spiraling in toward the center. That way you won't have to make as many turns. :thumbsup:
#36
Boobala
Boobala
Just out of curiosity .......
When you're out shopping ... and have to relieve yourself, do you have a hard time deciding which bathroom to use ...??? ..:confused2:
When you're out shopping ... and have to relieve yourself, do you have a hard time deciding which bathroom to use ...??? ..:confused2:
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Noodles
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Noodles
Yeah have you noticed I'm a bit of a nut? I tend to research the heck out of any purchase before committing. It adds some work, but I usually wind up very happy with my purchase.Just out of curiosity .......
When you're out shopping ... and have to relieve yourself, do you have a hard time deciding which bathroom to use ...??? ..:confused2:
#38
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Noodles
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Noodles
so my my brother in law, whose opinion I trust, has pretty much convinced me that a zero turn would make me much happier. I understand this will cost more, but in ok with that if it makes sense.
Any suggestions in the 2000 - 2500 range? I realize this will get me just a basic machine, but that's all I need. I called a local dealer who said they had a new Husqvarna for "about 2000". He is calling me back tomorrow with the exact price and model.
Any suggestions in the 2000 - 2500 range? I realize this will get me just a basic machine, but that's all I need. I called a local dealer who said they had a new Husqvarna for "about 2000". He is calling me back tomorrow with the exact price and model.
#39
primerbulb120
Here's my advice: Unless you're going to spend 3000+, don't buy a new one. A lightly used prosumer model can be had for 2000-2500, and it will make you much happier than a cheap entry-level residential will.
primerbulb120
so my my brother in law, whose opinion I trust, has pretty much convinced me that a zero turn would make me much happier. I understand this will cost more, but in ok with that if it makes sense.
Any suggestions in the 2000 - 2500 range? I realize this will get me just a basic machine, but that's all I need. I called a local dealer who said they had a new Husqvarna for "about 2000". He is calling me back tomorrow with the exact price and model.
Here's my advice: Unless you're going to spend 3000+, don't buy a new one. A lightly used prosumer model can be had for 2000-2500, and it will make you much happier than a cheap entry-level residential will.
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Noodles
Ok, I'm listening. What does $3k get me that $2300 won't? For my basic needs, what's the difference?
To be frank, $3k is above my budget. I've done a little bit of looking for a used one and there aren't any good options out there.
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Noodles
Here's my advice: Unless you're going to spend 3000+, don't buy a new one. A lightly used prosumer model can be had for 2000-2500, and it will make you much happier than a cheap entry-level residential will.
Ok, I'm listening. What does $3k get me that $2300 won't? For my basic needs, what's the difference?
To be frank, $3k is above my budget. I've done a little bit of looking for a used one and there aren't any good options out there.
#41
primerbulb120
If I told you, you'd want a 3K mower. :laughing:
Just joking. In general, you'll get a better quality unit with more features. Fabricated deck instead of stamped, sturdier frame, bigger tires, better hydros, you get the picture.
I did a search on your local Craigslist and came to the same conclusions you did. No promising deals. I guess I'm spoiled with Florida Craigslist where you can find 100+ ZTRs for sale at any time of year. :laughing:
If you decide to go new, I think you should purchase one of these units:
Toro Timecutter SS4225: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro-74721-Lawn-Mower/p15362.html
Cub Cadet RZT L 42: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Cub-Cadet-17BRCACS010-Lawn-Mower/p15453.html
As far as which one is better, I can't really say. They are very close as far as specs are concerned. Use the Mowers Direct comparison tool to compare the two and you'll see what I mean. I would probably go with the Toro because I like red better than yellow. :tongue: For you, it probably comes down to which one is more readily available. Parts support is probably cheaper and better for the Toro as well. Based on the pictures, I think the Toro would probably cut better due to deck design, but since I've never used either of these mowers I can't say for sure.
I would stay away from Husqvarna. Their commercial ZTRs are good units, but I'm not impressed with the quality and specs of their entry-level models. Just my :2cents:
primerbulb120
Ok, I'm listening. What does $3k get me that $2300 won't?
If I told you, you'd want a 3K mower. :laughing:
Just joking. In general, you'll get a better quality unit with more features. Fabricated deck instead of stamped, sturdier frame, bigger tires, better hydros, you get the picture.
I did a search on your local Craigslist and came to the same conclusions you did. No promising deals. I guess I'm spoiled with Florida Craigslist where you can find 100+ ZTRs for sale at any time of year. :laughing:
If you decide to go new, I think you should purchase one of these units:
Toro Timecutter SS4225: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro-74721-Lawn-Mower/p15362.html
Cub Cadet RZT L 42: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Cub-Cadet-17BRCACS010-Lawn-Mower/p15453.html
As far as which one is better, I can't really say. They are very close as far as specs are concerned. Use the Mowers Direct comparison tool to compare the two and you'll see what I mean. I would probably go with the Toro because I like red better than yellow. :tongue: For you, it probably comes down to which one is more readily available. Parts support is probably cheaper and better for the Toro as well. Based on the pictures, I think the Toro would probably cut better due to deck design, but since I've never used either of these mowers I can't say for sure.
I would stay away from Husqvarna. Their commercial ZTRs are good units, but I'm not impressed with the quality and specs of their entry-level models. Just my :2cents:
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7394
7394
Having had my Toro Timecutter 4260 since 8/2014, (although I only now have 63 hours on it.) It cuts beautifully & has never skipped a beat. I got mine new at year end sale at my local Toro Dealer because it was a discontinued model, last year to be able to get the Kawasaki engine in a 42" TimeCutter with the other bells & whistles..
I feel I got a killer deal.
Guy across the hollow has a Cub Z 42" I think, I don't know much else about his.
I feel I got a killer deal.
Guy across the hollow has a Cub Z 42" I think, I don't know much else about his.
#43
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Noodles
Very funny - I have those two exact models saved in my cart at mowersdirect. Along with a few others. I'm actually leaning towards the CC, but maybe I like yellow and black. I'll give the toro another look based on your recommendation and the one below you.
Is that site a good place to buy? Not sure if my dealer carries those models.
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Noodles
If I told you, you'd want a 3K mower. :laughing:
Just joking. In general, you'll get a better quality unit with more features. Fabricated deck instead of stamped, sturdier frame, bigger tires, better hydros, you get the picture.
I did a search on your local Craigslist and came to the same conclusions you did. No promising deals. I guess I'm spoiled with Florida Craigslist where you can find 100+ ZTRs for sale at any time of year. :laughing:
If you decide to go new, I think you should purchase one of these units:
Toro Timecutter SS4225: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro-74721-Lawn-Mower/p15362.html
Cub Cadet RZT L 42: https://www.mowersdirect.com/Cub-Cadet-17BRCACS010-Lawn-Mower/p15453.html
As far as which one is better, I can't really say. They are very close as far as specs are concerned. Use the Mowers Direct comparison tool to compare the two and you'll see what I mean. I would probably go with the Toro because I like red better than yellow. :tongue: For you, it probably comes down to which one is more readily available. Parts support is probably cheaper and better for the Toro as well. Based on the pictures, I think the Toro would probably cut better due to deck design, but since I've never used either of these mowers I can't say for sure.
I would stay away from Husqvarna. Their commercial ZTRs are good units, but I'm not impressed with the quality and specs of their entry-level models. Just my :2cents:
Very funny - I have those two exact models saved in my cart at mowersdirect. Along with a few others. I'm actually leaning towards the CC, but maybe I like yellow and black
. I'll give the toro another look based on your recommendation and the one below you. Is that site a good place to buy? Not sure if my dealer carries those models.
#44
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Noodles
The CC zero turn also has the reverse lock feature? I didn't see that listed. Wouldn't that sort of defeat the benefit of a zero turn?
Gotta say I def had a preference for the CC, but you guys keep voting the toro. On paper they look very similar, but I'll trust you guys and give it strong consideration
Btw, thanks again to everyone for all the help. This has been great.
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Noodles
I second the SS4225. I just could not get over the reverse lockout feature on the Cub Cadet. Also, I thinking their platform design is a bit too bold. Just a flat spot for you feet with a rest is all you need. They do a staggered or step up design that I found to be quite uncomfortable. The SS4225 has automatic brake, 1.5-4.5" cut, 22hp Kohler and very simple maintenance. One person on a smooth floor can take the deck off to clean or change blades and the accessories for them are not too expensive. I equipped mine with a rubber floor mat, hour meter and recycler kit and was still under $2900 out the door. Right now the Toro is $2499 which is the cheapest you will find it this season. I loved the cut it made on my lawn and I saw a huge difference in time to cut. My 1/4 acre lot took just over 20 minutes and that was only at the middle speed (due to recycler kit). Could have taken less time if I was side discharging. I know a lot of us had you convinced that the 46" cub XT1 was the way to go, but for a ZTR the cub falls down the list a bit in my opinion. At $2799 you could also get a Hustler Raptor with fabricated deck, but their lower than average blade tip speed would be a challenge in you want to b able to cut faster.
The CC zero turn also has the reverse lock feature? I didn't see that listed. Wouldn't that sort of defeat the benefit of a zero turn?
Gotta say I def had a preference for the CC, but you guys keep voting the toro. On paper they look very similar, but I'll trust you guys and give it strong consideration
Btw, thanks again to everyone for all the help. This has been great.
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Noodles
Also, is buying from mowersdirect a good idea if my local dealer doesn't have what I want?
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Noodles
I second the SS4225. I just could not get over the reverse lockout feature on the Cub Cadet. Also, I thinking their platform design is a bit too bold. Just a flat spot for you feet with a rest is all you need. They do a staggered or step up design that I found to be quite uncomfortable. The SS4225 has automatic brake, 1.5-4.5" cut, 22hp Kohler and very simple maintenance. One person on a smooth floor can take the deck off to clean or change blades and the accessories for them are not too expensive. I equipped mine with a rubber floor mat, hour meter and recycler kit and was still under $2900 out the door. Right now the Toro is $2499 which is the cheapest you will find it this season. I loved the cut it made on my lawn and I saw a huge difference in time to cut. My 1/4 acre lot took just over 20 minutes and that was only at the middle speed (due to recycler kit). Could have taken less time if I was side discharging. I know a lot of us had you convinced that the 46" cub XT1 was the way to go, but for a ZTR the cub falls down the list a bit in my opinion. At $2799 you could also get a Hustler Raptor with fabricated deck, but their lower than average blade tip speed would be a challenge in you want to b able to cut faster.
Also, is buying from mowersdirect a good idea if my local dealer doesn't have what I want?
#46
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cruzenmike
I have never used them, but at the end of the day you have to consider just one thing; having a relationship with your dealer who will likely be the one either servicing or making repairs if needed. Yes you could save some money with the website, but how much and with what time to wait or what hassle to have when something isn't correct? The dealer's usually get stock in as needed or can order direct from the manufacturer. So long as you do not incur any additional expense from going the route of a dealer, have them order it. They are required under their dealer agreement with toro to assemble the unit and make sure that it runs and operates properly. You might also ask them to level the deck both ways and adjust the tire pressure per the manual so that you have absolutely nothing to do but start up and cut. Plus they deliver off of a trailer of via lift gate to you for minimal expense if you don't want to pick it up. The product is the same, but the overall experience of acquiring and using for the first time will change depending on where you purchase it from.
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cruzenmike
Also, is buying from mowersdirect a good idea if my local dealer doesn't have what I want?
I have never used them, but at the end of the day you have to consider just one thing; having a relationship with your dealer who will likely be the one either servicing or making repairs if needed. Yes you could save some money with the website, but how much and with what time to wait or what hassle to have when something isn't correct? The dealer's usually get stock in as needed or can order direct from the manufacturer. So long as you do not incur any additional expense from going the route of a dealer, have them order it. They are required under their dealer agreement with toro to assemble the unit and make sure that it runs and operates properly. You might also ask them to level the deck both ways and adjust the tire pressure per the manual so that you have absolutely nothing to do but start up and cut. Plus they deliver off of a trailer of via lift gate to you for minimal expense if you don't want to pick it up. The product is the same, but the overall experience of acquiring and using for the first time will change depending on where you purchase it from.
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Noodles
I think I'm misunderstanding something. Even if I buy online, couldn't I just go to the dealer for parts and service? I have to pay for it either way, right? Or does the dealer provide some sort of free service when I buy from them?
Don't get me wrong - I'd rather buy from a local dealer if the the price is the same. But comparing prices on the sites is leading me to believe that the dealer is going to cost more. I'd be happy to buy from them if they match the price.
Two other questions about the mower themselves:
The toro doesn't have an hour meter (Cub does) - will I regret not having one?
I need to be able to climb over the bricks that line my driveway - will that be an issue?
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Noodles
I have never used them, but at the end of the day you have to consider just one thing; having a relationship with your dealer who will likely be the one either servicing or making repairs if needed. Yes you could save some money with the website, but how much and with what time to wait or what hassle to have when something isn't correct? The dealer's usually get stock in as needed or can order direct from the manufacturer. So long as you do not incur any additional expense from going the route of a dealer, have them order it. They are required under their dealer agreement with toro to assemble the unit and make sure that it runs and operates properly. You might also ask them to level the deck both ways and adjust the tire pressure per the manual so that you have absolutely nothing to do but start up and cut. Plus they deliver off of a trailer of via lift gate to you for minimal expense if you don't want to pick it up. The product is the same, but the overall experience of acquiring and using for the first time will change depending on where you purchase it from.
I think I'm misunderstanding something. Even if I buy online, couldn't I just go to the dealer for parts and service? I have to pay for it either way, right? Or does the dealer provide some sort of free service when I buy from them?
Don't get me wrong - I'd rather buy from a local dealer if the the price is the same. But comparing prices on the sites is leading me to believe that the dealer is going to cost more. I'd be happy to buy from them if they match the price.
Two other questions about the mower themselves:
The toro doesn't have an hour meter (Cub does) - will I regret not having one?
I need to be able to climb over the bricks that line my driveway - will that be an issue?
#48
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cruzenmike
Authorized Toro dealers should service the product so long as it was purchased new and you have proof of that purchase. As for the dealer relationship, just think of it like with cars. I buy 4 cars from Rob. I have an issue, Rob walks me to the service manager directly, helps explain my problem and I get taken care of. It's not to say you miss something by buying online, but dealing with local guy, and going back to the local guy may afford you some special treatment. It all depends on the size of the dealer and who you deal with. Imagine you walk in to the dealer with a 6 month old mower, that was shipped to you crated, assembled and set up by you, and now you have a problem. Then imagine the things these people say to themselves and each other after you leave. If you can honestly say that 100% of the time you will get the same quality of service, you are mistaken. It is in human nature to develop loyalty, and that loyalty is recognized and rewarded in most everything we do. That aside, no, the Toro does not include an hour meter but for $50 you can have one and they can be installed by you in just a few minutes (harness is already present on machine). This is important if you plan to follow maintenance as prescribed in the manual. You could surely do without if you know your average cutting time and how often you cut. As for the bricks, ground clearance will matter but I ask that you think of this.... Imagine trying to get the front wheels of a rear-heavy machine up and over the bricks, vs a front to middle-heavy machine up and over the bricks? I don't know how high the bricks stick up over the ground, but the front engine rider will at least do it safer if the brick are tall. If they are shorter you can do it with the ZTR. Go back to my post about a designated approach. You surely cannot be going up and down over and over throughout the cutting of the grass. So think about the easiest way of doing it; not necessarily relying on the mower to do all the work.
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cruzenmike
I think I'm misunderstanding something. Even if I buy online, couldn't I just go to the dealer for parts and service? I have to pay for it either way, right? Or does the dealer provide some sort of free service when I buy from them?
Don't get me wrong - I'd rather buy from a local dealer if the the price is the same. But comparing prices on the sites is leading me to believe that the dealer is going to cost more. I'd be happy to buy from them if they match the price.
Two other questions about the mower themselves:
The toro doesn't have an hour meter (Cub does) - will I regret not having one?
I need to be able to climb over the bricks that line my driveway - will that be an issue?
Authorized Toro dealers should service the product so long as it was purchased new and you have proof of that purchase. As for the dealer relationship, just think of it like with cars. I buy 4 cars from Rob. I have an issue, Rob walks me to the service manager directly, helps explain my problem and I get taken care of. It's not to say you miss something by buying online, but dealing with local guy, and going back to the local guy may afford you some special treatment. It all depends on the size of the dealer and who you deal with. Imagine you walk in to the dealer with a 6 month old mower, that was shipped to you crated, assembled and set up by you, and now you have a problem. Then imagine the things these people say to themselves and each other after you leave. If you can honestly say that 100% of the time you will get the same quality of service, you are mistaken. It is in human nature to develop loyalty, and that loyalty is recognized and rewarded in most everything we do. That aside, no, the Toro does not include an hour meter but for $50 you can have one and they can be installed by you in just a few minutes (harness is already present on machine). This is important if you plan to follow maintenance as prescribed in the manual. You could surely do without if you know your average cutting time and how often you cut. As for the bricks, ground clearance will matter but I ask that you think of this.... Imagine trying to get the front wheels of a rear-heavy machine up and over the bricks, vs a front to middle-heavy machine up and over the bricks? I don't know how high the bricks stick up over the ground, but the front engine rider will at least do it safer if the brick are tall. If they are shorter you can do it with the ZTR. Go back to my post about a designated approach. You surely cannot be going up and down over and over throughout the cutting of the grass. So think about the easiest way of doing it; not necessarily relying on the mower to do all the work.
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Noodles
Good points on the dealer - a relationship would be a good thing to have. Let's just hope his prices are close enough to the online store that it's not even an issue.
As for the bricks, I would just need to get up once, and then down again, per mow. I forgot about your old post but I'll check it out again.
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Noodles
Authorized Toro dealers should service the product so long as it was purchased new and you have proof of that purchase. As for the dealer relationship, just think of it like with cars. I buy 4 cars from Rob. I have an issue, Rob walks me to the service manager directly, helps explain my problem and I get taken care of. It's not to say you miss something by buying online, but dealing with local guy, and going back to the local guy may afford you some special treatment. It all depends on the size of the dealer and who you deal with. Imagine you walk in to the dealer with a 6 month old mower, that was shipped to you crated, assembled and set up by you, and now you have a problem. Then imagine the things these people say to themselves and each other after you leave. If you can honestly say that 100% of the time you will get the same quality of service, you are mistaken. It is in human nature to develop loyalty, and that loyalty is recognized and rewarded in most everything we do. That aside, no, the Toro does not include an hour meter but for $50 you can have one and they can be installed by you in just a few minutes (harness is already present on machine). This is important if you plan to follow maintenance as prescribed in the manual. You could surely do without if you know your average cutting time and how often you cut. As for the bricks, ground clearance will matter but I ask that you think of this.... Imagine trying to get the front wheels of a rear-heavy machine up and over the bricks, vs a front to middle-heavy machine up and over the bricks? I don't know how high the bricks stick up over the ground, but the front engine rider will at least do it safer if the brick are tall. If they are shorter you can do it with the ZTR. Go back to my post about a designated approach. You surely cannot be going up and down over and over throughout the cutting of the grass. So think about the easiest way of doing it; not necessarily relying on the mower to do all the work.
Good points on the dealer - a relationship would be a good thing to have. Let's just hope his prices are close enough to the online store that it's not even an issue.
As for the bricks, I would just need to get up once, and then down again, per mow. I forgot about your old post but I'll check it out again.
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Noodles
My local dealer will sell it for 2600 + tax, which brings it to over 2800 vs 2500 online. I like the idea of having a dealer assemble and deliver, but $300 is a lot. Need to see if he will take off the tax if I pay cash.
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Noodles
Authorized Toro dealers should service the product so long as it was purchased new and you have proof of that purchase. As for the dealer relationship, just think of it like with cars. I buy 4 cars from Rob. I have an issue, Rob walks me to the service manager directly, helps explain my problem and I get taken care of. It's not to say you miss something by buying online, but dealing with local guy, and going back to the local guy may afford you some special treatment. It all depends on the size of the dealer and who you deal with. Imagine you walk in to the dealer with a 6 month old mower, that was shipped to you crated, assembled and set up by you, and now you have a problem. Then imagine the things these people say to themselves and each other after you leave. If you can honestly say that 100% of the time you will get the same quality of service, you are mistaken. It is in human nature to develop loyalty, and that loyalty is recognized and rewarded in most everything we do. That aside, no, the Toro does not include an hour meter but for $50 you can have one and they can be installed by you in just a few minutes (harness is already present on machine). This is important if you plan to follow maintenance as prescribed in the manual. You could surely do without if you know your average cutting time and how often you cut. As for the bricks, ground clearance will matter but I ask that you think of this.... Imagine trying to get the front wheels of a rear-heavy machine up and over the bricks, vs a front to middle-heavy machine up and over the bricks? I don't know how high the bricks stick up over the ground, but the front engine rider will at least do it safer if the brick are tall. If they are shorter you can do it with the ZTR. Go back to my post about a designated approach. You surely cannot be going up and down over and over throughout the cutting of the grass. So think about the easiest way of doing it; not necessarily relying on the mower to do all the work.
My local dealer will sell it for 2600 + tax, which brings it to over 2800 vs 2500 online. I like the idea of having a dealer assemble and deliver, but $300 is a lot. Need to see if he will take off the tax if I pay cash.
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cruzenmike
If the dealer cannot match the price at least, then order from online. Free shipping and saving $300 is surely worth it if you set the mower up yourself; which by the way is very simple from what I have seen.
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cruzenmike
My local dealer will sell it for 2600 + tax, which brings it to over 2800 vs 2500 online. I like the idea of having a dealer assemble and deliver, but $300 is a lot. Need to see if he will take off the tax if I pay cash.
If the dealer cannot match the price at least, then order from online. Free shipping and saving $300 is surely worth it if you set the mower up yourself; which by the way is very simple from what I have seen.
#52
Max Headroom
Max Headroom
I am still using my first riding tractor. Bought a 14.5 HP 42" deck Poulan from Home Depot in 1994. It's only been in the shop 2 times for repairs (other than annual maintenance). The drive pulley system failed and drive belt replacement. I keep waiting for the tractor to complexly seized so I can update. But the old girl just would not quit.
#53
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cruzenmike
What did you end up going with? Just curious. . . . .
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cruzenmike
Hey everyone – brand new here and could use some of your expert opinions! I get the impression that I’m going to be the rookie amongst a bunch of enthusiasts and professionals with much larger needs, but I hope you don’t mind helping me out.
I just moved to a larger piece of property – about 0.6 acres all-in, including the house. This past summer (first year in the house) I only maintained the front – it’s beautiful sod and was able to mow/trim in about 45 minutes with my push mower. This year I’m going to start keeping the back nice as well (the lawn is not NEARLY as nice back there) and think I need to step up to a riding mower / lawn tractor . I’ve never bought a rider before and could really use some advice. I don’t have a budget per se, since I’m willing to pay the price that makes the most sense, but from some basic research I hoping it’s possible to pay in the $1.5 - $2k range. Let me know if that’s crazy.
Here is some basic info/questions, but let me know what else is needed:
- Located in Long Island, NY.
- Property is pretty much entirely flat, with almost no trees. I have to maneuver around a bit of landscaping in the front, but nothing crazy.
- I need to be able to get up and over the bricks that line the driveway.
- Need to be able to fit through the fence gate – I don’t have the measurements on me (I can get it), but it’s standard sized gate for a PVC fence.
- I prefer to mulch vs bag – do I actually need a mulching kit? Would prefer to not buy anything else. I would like to option to buy a bagging kit in the future if I change my mind.
- I generally mow high, around 3.5” – 4” if I had to guess (highest setting on the push mower). Not sure if that matters?
- The machine will be used for mowing 95% of the time (I mow once a week). I guess it would be nice to be able to perform other tasks, but I don’t currently have plans for that. Is there something I should be considering here?
- It would be very convenient to buy from Home Depot or Lowes. I’m expecting that people recommend I go to a dealer, but that would mean more $$$. Online retailers?
- Are there any sales coming up I should know about?
- What brands can be trusted? I know the big names (John Deere, Husqvarna, Cub Cadet), but what about others like Poulan, Craftsman, Toro etc? Even with the bigger names, I assume they have different grades of quality?
- I’ll be maintaining it myself, so want something that is easy to take care of.
- Separately, I need to buy a snow blower, too. I’ve pretty much been told that it’s a better idea to get a separate machine for that, but I have toyed with the idea of a plow attachment for the tractor. I live on a main road and get plowed in very badly, so need some power to clear it out. Maybe I can get a deal by buying both machines at once?
Ultimately, I don’t need anything too fancy, but I want it to work well and last a while. I really care about my lawn and put alot of effort in to keeping it nice. This is why I’d rather buy a machine to do it exactly how I want instead of paying a landscaping coming to do it.
Thanks for the help.
What did you end up going with? Just curious. . . . .
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outdoorlover
I'm curious. What did you end up going with? I'm really loking into John Deere but it seems you were not too keen on that one haha. Let me know. :smile:
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outdoorlover
Thanks for the response. The big box brands I'm looking at are Cub Cadet, Husqvarna, Toro and (maybe) Craftsman. Are they all MTD?
Also, I've been told that John Deere does not make a separate, lower quality line for HD/Lowers - meaning as long as the model number is the same, it doesn't matter if I get it from those stores or a dealer. Do you know is that is true? Looks like I can get a lower end Deere in my price range - I have to assume the quality is better, but it won't have as many features as those other brands.
Are there any features that I should be looking for? I'm thinking things that make maintenance easier (easy access to blades, ability to quickly remove the deck, easy/clean way to drain oil, etc.). Or are all brands pretty similar in this regard?
I'm curious. What did you end up going with? I'm really loking into John Deere but it seems you were not too keen on that one haha. Let me know. :smile:
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Noodles
Went with the Toro timecutter ss4225 from a local dealer. He matched the mowersdirect price including delivery and whatever assembly it required. Very happy with it so far, and extremely happy I went with the ZTR vs a tractor. My only extremely minor complaint is that it doesn’t stripe as nicely as the push mower.
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Noodles
I'm curious. What did you end up going with? I'm really loking into John Deere but it seems you were not too keen on that one haha. Let me know. :smile:
Went with the Toro timecutter ss4225 from a local dealer. He matched the mowersdirect price including delivery and whatever assembly it required. Very happy with it so far, and extremely happy I went with the ZTR vs a tractor. My only extremely minor complaint is that it doesn’t stripe as nicely as the push mower.
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Congrats on the Timecutter, they are great machines for residential. My Timecutter 4260 stripes fine. Are you mowing crooked lines or it doesn't stripe well ?
Nice having the different speed ranges as well. You can add a length of mudflap out back that is as wide as the inner part of the rear tires. That is easy & wouldn't cost much at all.
Nice having the different speed ranges as well. You can add a length of mudflap out back that is as wide as the inner part of the rear tires. That is easy & wouldn't cost much at all.
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Noodles
Thanks! Stripes are not as defined, but yes I’m sure some mud flap would fix it easily.
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Noodles
Congrats on the Timecutter, they are great machines for residential. My Timecutter 4260 stripes fine. Are you mowing crooked lines or it doesn't stripe well ?
Nice having the different speed ranges as well. You can add a length of mudflap out back that is as wide as the inner part of the rear tires. That is easy & wouldn't cost much at all.
Thanks! Stripes are not as defined, but yes I’m sure some mud flap would fix it easily.
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bertsmobile1
Take good care of it.
They do not make them as good as that any more till you get to around $ 10,000. :thumbsup:
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bertsmobile1
I am still using my first riding tractor. Bought a 14.5 HP 42" deck Poulan from Home Depot in 1994. It's only been in the shop 2 times for repairs (other than annual maintenance). The drive pulley system failed and drive belt replacement. I keep waiting for the tractor to complexly seized so I can update. But the old girl just would not quit.
Take good care of it.
They do not make them as good as that any more till you get to around $ 10,000. :thumbsup: