Buying a forever lawnmower. Lawnmower buying advice.

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JMTCW, I am 78 and most of the best mowers I have used were 2 cycle and all old. First was a Lawnboy made by OMC, then a Jacobsen 321 and now I have a Toro Proline, commercial with a Suzuki 5.5hp. all were push and I mowed a 1/2 lot with them. Easy to maintain, I would let someone talk me out of one and then move up to the next one. I am using the Suzuki now but as a trim mower on 2 acres with my John Deere riding mower doing the heavy work. None would cut knee high grass, but could handle 8" easily. Since I have had knee surgery I picked up a John Deere JS26 off the side of the road, put in a new plug and cleaned the carburetor and mow with it as it is self propelled. So far it is a good mower. I only bought one new walk behind mower and that was a Honda when they came out in the 80s. It was still running great when I traded it in 2008 for a set of brakes on my truck. Good luck, don't be scared of used if you know the basics of how they work.

I wasn't going to mention it because it's only partially relevant, but my 25-year old 2-stroke Lawnboy SilverSeries has never had anything done to it except a new blade. Started for the first time this season a couple of weeks ago. Started on the second pull. Go figure. Damn 2-stroke oil is getting really expensive, though.
 

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I have a somewhat similar conundrum. I'm not a new owner (I'm retired), but need a new mower and have a similar lawn (mine is a little larger, closer to 1/2 acre)
1/3 Acre is about 15,000 square feet. With a 20" mower (call it 1.5' wide), the cutting route would be 15,000/1.5, or 10,000 feet. With ~5000 feet in a mile, that's a two mile walk. A wider cutting path makes for a shorter walk.

Unfortunately, push mowers (mostly) only come in ~20" decks. A very few (and pricey) come in 30" decks.

Riding/walk behind/zero turn/etc rarely come below 46" which is massive overkill for a homeowner (yes, a commercial guy would do your yard with a 60" mower, but he's doing 10 lawns that day) and not appropriate in landscaping/tight spots. Not to mention a pain to store for that small residential lot.

Us homeowners with "larger small lots" have limited choices. You say you want 20" width, and you may want it (but I suspect you'll tire of 90 minute mow jobs in the heat of summer!). But our lawns cry out for 28-36 mowers, a void in the market.
Yes I say you are right there is a gap in the market for medium sized mowers.
 

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I myself own a silver deck John Deere 14SB I've owned it since 1993 and it still starts on the first pull, yes it's 31 years old and counting, only thing close is a John Deere WE 80 but it has a 3 speed tranny instead of my 5 speed
 

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1. Take a hard look at the Ariens RAZOR 21 REFLEX™ SELF PROPELLED. It has all the features you want and the Ariens name to back it up for years. Ariens Reflex
2. You can't go wrong with Toro. The Super Recycler will also give you many years of use.
Both of these mowers are from companies that have a stellar reputation for parts and service.

I recommend staying far, far, far away from ANYTHING sold at the big box stores. They may cut well and some people swear by those cheap mowers. But, try to find parts for one of them in five years ...
 

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I gotta chime in here. You sound like you need to seriously open your mind and welcome yourself to the 21st Century. It's not 1945-75 anymore. Electric battery powered mowers are for now and they are real.

A few of my neighbors have battery powered electrics, and one has had his for almost a decade. One has replaced the battery. One has a rider that's electric (which I don't really like). The only maintenance I've seen is blade sharpening. No fuel, no draining gas, no oil adding or changing oil, no tune ups, no gas spoilage, no mechanic. Maybe that last one is the real problem here.

No, these things are not green cool aid. They work and they work well. No I wouldn't buy a electric yard tractor or zero turn, but mainly due to cost and lack of run time / battery capacity. If all you have is a 1/3 acre or less or a moderate sized suburbanite/urban yard, all you need is a 21 or 22 inch electric self propelled mower.

The manufacturers know it, even gas engine makers know it. Why do you think gas engine mowers ads talk about one pull starting, no oil changes and electric start options? Because they are trying to compete with electrics. The fact is that gas powered mowers are losing market share. Even Honda, who made some of the best small engine mowers has pulled the plug. Pun intended.
Did you really just suggest to an electrical engineer to join the 21st Century? I'd venture that I know more about the technology surrounding battery equipment than most here. I've had gas equipment, battery equipment (admittedly older equipment), riders, pushers, and even a reel mower. I've even considered robotic mowers. Spoiler alert... they're not ready yet either unless you have a yard with very specific limitations. Size, slope, number of obstacles, etc. I use whatever tool is best for the job. I think battery equipment is good for certain applications. Drills, sawzalls, impact wrenches, chainsaw maybe if you're usage is low. Batteries might be ok for trimmers & mowers too if you have a small yard. When I moved to my current property, the 48" ZTR that came with the property was taking me almost 2 hrs to do the mowing I needed. I upgraded to a commercial 54" ZTR. I'm down to a little over an hour for each mow now. I have an Echo PAS attachment system. Every mow, I also edge, trim, and blow. I use about a full tank every time. That full tank of gas is about equal to two of the large batteries on most battery trimmers, which cost more than my power head. There's NO way battery equipment would work for me. For the OP... he wanted a "forever mower". Battery mowers have not proven themselves to be worthy of the "forever" title yet. Yes, I believe they will get there, and in some cases, they can be very good solutions. If you never discharge the battery more than 50%, the battery will likely last a long time. If you never have a breakdown, you will also have a good experience. Right now, much of the battery equipment is proprietary. If you break something on that battery mower you bought at HD or Lowes... good luck getting it repaired. Most small engine shops don't work on battery equipment. An EGO battery will not work with any other mower. And an EGO battery for a riding mower will not work in an EGO trimmer. It's too big. Gasoline scales well. Fuel tanks can be various sizes, and they still use the same fuel. Gas mowers all use the same power source. A power source, by the way, that doesn't lock you into that company's battery ecosystem. The proprietary nature of battery equipment doesn't end at batteries, either. Often, the blade(s), blade adapters, spindles, etc are also proprietary. Reason being, battery packs don't have enough energy to run a blade used on a gas mower for as long as a gas mower will. They do tricks to make batteries last longer. Like drop the blade speed based on the load. Thin grass... slower blade speed. Mfrs might also decide not to support a poor selling model very long. I've heard of Kobalt mowers that were 2 yrs old that couldn't get parts. Lack of product support is not limited to battery equipment, but mfrs like Toro, Exmark, Gravely, Echo, Stihl, Husqvarna, etc tend to do better at this than, say, Kobalt. EGO, Greenworks, etc, I'm not quite sure where they fall on this spectrum. I think EGO is better than Greenworks, which is better than Kobalt.

I love technology. I have a drone. It's way cool. It levels itself, flies the direction I want it to, even in cross winds, by using an array of sensors. It feeds me a video image that is also leveled regardless of how fast or which way it's going. It can detect obstacles, and stop itself if it's going to hit something. It has some impressive technology. And it runs off batteries, which makes sense for that application.

Bottom line... use what works, but don't blow smoke up people's you-know-what to push an agenda.
 

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Approx 25% of push mowers and 50% of other yard equipment (like trimmers and chainsaws) sold today are electric. But you think everyone should stop doing so because your son-in-law didn't like one. Don't be silly.
I have electric trimmers and had two electric mowers as well as an electric snowblower. I know more than you and your meaningless stats. You just post because you have an agenda You really don't know anything useful and are not objective at all.
 

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Bottom line... use what works, but don't blow smoke up people's you-know-what to push an agenda.
Some people are perfectly able to use lightbulbs without following every new shiny thing, especially a new shiny thing that's being forced on them by the government. Keep on blindly believing everything the government tells you.
GearHead36, you seem to have a penchant for assigning motivation to people's opinions. Why must it be that you are the only one who's opinions are sincere and based on experience and facts. Isn't it more likely that people have differing perspectives and not just the party line. I doubt if you're a shill for the petroleum industry any more than I and others push a climate agenda.
 

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I have electric trimmers and had two electric mowers as well as an electric snowblower. I know more than you and your meaningless stats. You just post because you have an agenda You really don't know anything useful and are not objective at all.
I don't post because I have an agenda, only because there's nothing good on tv.
 
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If I were you I would get this Craftsman M230 21" Self propelled Push mower. I swear on my life that with proper maintenance and care, this WILL last you 20+ years. I have recommended this to over 10 people and they haven't ever had a complaint, it fits all their needs. It has the higher rear wheels, 21" cutting deck, variable speed, one pull starting, no choke or priming, adjustable bar, red deck, mulching compatible, AND a robust and easily serviceable briggs and Stratton 163cc engine with plenty of power for anything you can throw at it (literally). Parts are very widely available in case you need them. Don't even look at other junky Chinese brands like toro or EGO, they won't last 5 years. I get toros very frequently in the shop here, 4 just this month in need of major repairs. Stick to the M230 and you won't have any problems. https://www.lowes.com/pd/CRAFTSMAN-...-Mower-with-Briggs-Stratton-Engine/1000673809
You are literally recommending a mower with one of the worst Briggs & Stratton engines ever built!
I have already had three or four of these engines self-destruct because the plastic camshaft literally melts and wipes the teeth off of the gear.
Now, having said this, they have already revised them at least once and maybe they will come into a better situation but these engines fall far short to the durability and longevity of the older Briggs l head that dominated for about 24 years.
Anyone would be better served to buy one of those from the 2008 to 2015 range then to buy one of these new Briggs engines.
Briggs & Stratton themselves are not looking to or trying to build an engine that will last 15 to 20 years like the previous ones. They're going for an 8-year replacement and anything over 10 years is on major borrowed time.

So while this mower, or similar ones maybe about the best you can get today, I certainly wouldn't call it quality or suggest that it may last 20 plus years.
 
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