Briggs Intek 25HP with bent intake push-rod; WHY?

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  • / Briggs Intek 25HP with bent intake push-rod; WHY?
The oil passage in those engine is big enough for the push rod to fall into the crankcase. The valves are lubed by splash/vapor so there isn't a lot of oil movement into the head area.
 

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I checked the other head and the lash is off. I don't know by how much but a 0.008 feeler fits easily so really loose. I took out the rod on this side and it looks fine.

One thing I noticed is that the oil under the valve cover is not the same oil in the motor. The motor oil is fresh and clear but the oil under the valve covers is syrupy and dark. Blocked oil passage or just old oil langishing? I don't think the original owner ever changed the oil because it was thick and dark as molasses when I first got the mower.

I think I'm going to change the rod, set the lash correctly, and cross fingers. I may try some of that seafoam crap or ATF or something to maybe clear out the oil passages (?). Then change the oil. Run it for a bit then check under the valve cover again to see if it's getting new oil.

Picture for those interested:
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After installing the new pushrod and adjustments, leave the valve covers off and the plugs out, and turn the engine over by hand a few times while you watch things....
 

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Also look at the action of the rocker arms, and see if they all travel about the same distance, a bunch of engines had cam problems about 15 or so years ago.
 

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Deere parts guy says they see the intake rod bend a lot. A sacrificial part when anything is out of whack. After putting the new rod in I found the lash to be way too tight. There was no clearance at all. That could be what bent it... hopefully...

Almost ready to try to fire it up. Without thinking I had removed the carb before doing a compression test so I have to get it back on before I can test. I really need new fuel lines too. What are they 1/4"? I have some 1/4" Tygon but it's too thin wall for the clamps. So much to do :mad:
 

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Take a piece of The fuel line to a parts store, they should have it!
 

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Well it fired right up. Only thing is, at idle it's knocking like crazy. I can't remember if it did that before or not. At high/running RPM I can't tell if it's knocking or not.

I have no idea why anything I did would make it knock, maybe it always did this. At low RPM it's so bad that it sounds like a diesel.

Listen:
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1NW2WkVMRqE
 

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Make sure that the engine mounting bolts are tight. If the engine is loose, it will cause a knocking noise.
 

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  • / Briggs Intek 25HP with bent intake push-rod; WHY?
One thing I noticed is that the oil under the valve cover is not the same oil in the motor. The motor oil is fresh and clear but the oil under the valve covers is syrupy and dark. Blocked oil passage or just old oil langishing? I don't think the original owner ever changed the oil because it was thick and dark as molasses when I first got the mower.

Thick oil is one of the signs of overheating

We seem to be going in circles but always end up at the same point.

Well it fired right up. Only thing is, at idle it's knocking like crazy. I can't remember if it did that before or not. At high/running RPM I can't tell if it's knocking or not.

If it is a pre-ignition knock then both the pressure and temperature will skyrocket thus causing the valves to stick
If it is a loose rod knock then the piston could be hitting the valve.

If it was sitting in the shop in front of me I would be pulling the plugs and placing a rod on top of the piston.
Then with gentle down force on the rod rotate the engine several revolutions feeling for a click when the piston broaches TDC which indicates a loose rod.
I do this because I am adverse to supplying customers new engines out of my pocket.


I feel there is a lot more to this story than we have been told and you have been sold a mower with a hand grenade masquerading as an engine.
 

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After doing some mowing I think the knock was always there (at least since I have owned it). So for the last 5 years or so has been working OK for me.

There is no question this mower has been severely abused. Oil never changed, belts routed all wrong, bad blades, bad wheels, bent crankshaft, and all manner of problems. I took it on as a cheap mower and never expected it to last this long. Now it's kind of a friend that I try to keep going.

I wish I hadn't taken the carb off because now it seems to have an air leak or something. Getting some minor backfire/stuttering. Ah well... Damn.
 
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