You might be on to something there. My issue is these OPE toys are air cooled and run pretty hot. Wish in America that if the jug said synthetic, it was a real synthetic. Like over in Europe you get the real deal synthetic inside. Here it might be one part of the additive pack that is synthetic and the rest dino oil.2-cycle oil probably is the least demanding application an oil will ever see. It's in the engine for ONE crankshaft revolution before it's replaced with new oil.
Better yet 1000 dollar chainsaw to cut up a branch that is on the ground? really??I don't know the best oil. I will tell what i use and what i have seen. I have Stihl orange bottle, stihl silver bottle, lawn boy, red armor, stens semi synthetic, stens full synthetic. All of them work. Things i have noticed. The stihl HP ultimate smells a little odd and if mixed heavier than 50:1 it tends to clog spark arrestor screens. The red armor carbons up less than any other oil i have used. I personally like the red armor best. I bought a gollon of it. 2 stroke oil is rated by JASO. The latest rating is FD. Oil can be submitted for testing and the JASO site has a pdf of all the oils tested and their rating. If the oil is not listed it was not submitted for testing. If the bottle of whatever you are using is FD rated it works. Some folks seem obsessed with finding the "best" 100:1 oil and seeing how little oil they can run. Never made sense to me but what ever makes some people happy. Reminds me of the guy who buys a $1000 chainsaw and runs used motor oil for bar oil to save money.
Amsoil protects my equipment better and doesn't leave carbon deposits like most 2 cycle oils do.If you are a home owner, then I'd buy any good synthetic 2-stroke oil from any named shop (Tractor Supply, Lowes, HD, Ace Hdwr, etc. ).
If you are a pro and you need the ultimate, then I would buy Valvoline. Valvoline is a name you can trust. They don't do anything but make great oil. They are owned by the Ashland Chemical Co. They don't make oil filters, wiper blades, or V-belts, they just make oil. There's no hype, just solid performance.
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In my view, it is much more important to mix the oil to the fuel in the correct ratio than to worry about which brand you are using. I bought a tool that lets me measure the oil accurately and I made marks on my Jerry can so I easily know how much fuel I'm mixing by filling up to one of the marks and then putting the corresponding amount of oil in.I've ran numerous brands. Can't really tell one from another. Most will lighten your wallet more with all the fancy extreme super duty ultra MAX info.
Lately I am running the 100:1 Opti-2 oil. This is on the expensive side. Again I can't tell if it's any better than say the Ace Hardware oil with fuel stabilizer in it.
What do you guys use and why?
slomo
Slomo, have you ever seen the "Ace Hardware Oil Refinery?"I've ran numerous brands. Can't really tell one from another. Most will lighten your wallet more with all the fancy extreme super duty ultra MAX info.
Lately I am running the 100:1 Opti-2 oil. This is on the expensive side. Again I can't tell if it's any better than say the Ace Hardware oil with fuel stabilizer in it.
What do you guys use and why?
slomo
You would have loved riding behind my Kawasaki 350 Bighorn running castor based oil. Almost got into a fight when a guy riding behind me with a new jacket got covered in black oily dots, no splattering the guy behind me with oil,
I ran big bore dirt bikes for years and I’ve tried quite a few oils, my favorite was Amsoil 100:1. When I’d tear down my top end, consistently I had no wear on the bore. If it weren’t for the fact that the piston skirts would crack if you leave a piston in too long, there was no reason to rebuild! No plug fouling, not much smoke, no splattering the guy behind me with oil, and no wear.... can’t beat it! I’d always break in with a natural oil on the first tank after rebuild, then Amsoil then on. I ran it in all of my 2 stroke motors, weed walkers, chain saws, Lawnboy mowers, everyth
I see the logic behind your statement but that is only one side of the story. The other side is that in modern 2-stroke equipment it is mixed at 50:1 for emissions requirements and to avoid excess smoke and carbon build up. They also run very lean, hot, and at very high RPMs. The leaner they run the less fuel is going through the engine and that also translates into less oil going through the engine as well. With that tiny amount of oil there isn't much margin for error. If you compare that to a 4 stroke engine where the parts are literally covered with oil I think 2-stroke applications are far more demanding. I have seen soo many scored pistons and cylinders in 2-stroke equipment come through our shop. I wouldn't run an oil that is not JASO FD certified.2-cycle oil probably is the least demanding application an oil will ever see. It's in the engine for ONE crankshaft revolution before it's replaced with new oil.
If you are a home owner, then I'd buy any good synthetic 2-stroke oil from any named shop (Tractor Supply, Lowes, HD, Ace Hdwr, etc. ).
If you are a pro and you need the ultimate, then I would buy Valvoline. Valvoline is a name you can trust. They don't do anything but make great oil. They are owned by the Ashland Chemical Co. They don't make oil filters, wiper blades, or V-belts, they just make oil. There's no hype, just solid performance.
No!! All designs of recent equipment has had to comply with the Clean Air Act, thus less oil , and LESS LUBRICATION. We have never condemned so many 2 cycle items as in recent years. Mix at 32 to 1 for engine life for everything rated 32 or 50 or 100 to 1. Just saying reasons for everything, and the reason here is not lubrication. Also it would take 200 years of continuous string trimmer running to equal one year of your Gasoline car's pollution after one hour of gravity on the 2 cycle's emissions settling out of the air. Even better, some units today have a catalytic converter wafer in the muffler which will burn it off even more.I've ran numerous brands. Can't really tell one from another. Most will lighten your wallet more with all the fancy extreme super duty ultra MAX info.
Lately I am running the 100:1 Opti-2 oil. This is on the expensive side. Again I can't tell if it's any better than say the Ace Hardware oil with fuel stabilizer in it.
What do you guys use and why?
slomo
I used to use the Vp racing oil and had some hard starts and fouled plugs.I'm not an AMsoil fan boy but their 100:1 mess did pretty good. It was compared to a way cheaper Supertech 2 stroke on youtube.
Still not a fan of these new 100:1 mix oils like the Opti-2 and Amsoil. I know the Opti-2 is super thick compared to a 50:1 oil. Guess that is how you can run them at 100:1 ratio. Opti-2 is supposed to be the cats meow what ever that is.
slomo
Highly doubt Ace has a refinery. Someone probably makes it for Ace. Have you seen it?Slomo, have you ever seen the "Ace Hardware Oil Refinery?"
Are you running Opti-2 at 100:1?I used to use the Vp racing oil and had some hard starts and fouled plugs.
Perry Hall lawn and Power Equipment in Baltimore Maryland turned me on to the Opti-2. It`s a German technology synthetic oil.
I use Opti-2 now in everything. Less smoke and never have a fouled plug.
I have been running Optimal ie. Opti-2 for 20 years. I use it in weedeaters, chainsaws, blowers, heck I even add it to the gas I put in my 69 Ford F-250 Explorer, 390; 1974 F-350 6 Cyl ; My 77 F-350 302. Opti-2 coats the cylinder linings. I believe it helps preserve unleaded gas to keep it from separating. I would not run anything else. I ran a Lawn & Landscaping business and a Tree trimming and removal business and never fouled a plug, occasionally a plug would quit but it wasn't from fouling. I have a PB210E Echo blower which is 20 years old and it still runs great. I also very rarely had to readjust my carbs. I am not familiar with Amsoil, I know they have great products, But I am very familiar with Opti-2. I use between 3 and 4 oz per 2.5 gallons. that is 3oz to 320oz gas. 100:1 - For older equipment and my trucks I use 4oz to 2.5 gallons By the way I always bought it by the gallon not the packets.Are you running Opti-2 at 100:1?
slomo
That's about the best reason, IMO.I use Stihl silver because they extend the warranty. I bought mariyuma for the same reason. I mix one gallon at a time.
I have used this for at least 20 years, I found it at a small engine shop and they swore by it.I've ran numerous brands. Can't really tell one from another. Most will lighten your wallet more with all the fancy extreme super duty ultra MAX info.
Lately I am running the 100:1 Opti-2 oil. This is on the expensive side. Again I can't tell if it's any better than say the Ace Hardware oil with fuel stabilizer in it.
What do you guys use and why?
slomo
The beauty of opti 2 is the pouch, 1.5 or 1.8 ounces in a gallon of gas and you are goodIn my view, it is much more important to mix the oil to the fuel in the correct ratio than to worry about which brand you are using. I bought a tool that lets me measure the oil accurately and I made marks on my Jerry can so I easily know how much fuel I'm mixing by filling up to one of the marks and then putting the corresponding amount of oil in.
Some manufactures require you to use their oil to maintain the warranty. They put specific dyes in their chemicals to ID them. Hmmmm. I'm 60+ years old and have never filled out a tool or appliance warranty card, so their warranty threat means nothing to me.Maybe it's best to use for example Fruit Loop oil in your Fruit Loop trimmer? Sticking with the manufacturers recommendation. Since they made the engine, they should know.
slomo
A lot of peeps become paranoid with 2 stroke oils . Actually any good FC rated oil will perform well in any air cooled engine . Similiar with the older TCW- 3 rated oil , that became a marine oil application . FD is only better for low smoke and high detergency , critical service applications in my opinion .I have been using the Super Tech (Walmart) brand in weed eater and blower engines for 25+ years. No issues ever. I used to use it (and Yamalube) in 250cc bikes back in the late 80's and 90s. No issues there either. I raced and did my own engine overhauls, so I have seen the pistons and cylinder walls back then. This oil is fine for 2-cycle engines.