Comparison Brigs or kawi?

[reynoldston]

And look at my sig.
Enough said!!

Nothing wrong with B&S. Just what are you saying, that you are a salesman.:thumbsup:

 

[pugaltitude]

Nothing wrong with B&S. Just what are you saying, that you are a salesman.:thumbsup:

Ha ha only if people want to buy from me!!

 

[Ric]

And look at my sig.
Enough said!!

Enough said??? and you as B&S MST should know better, that's a joke.:thumbdown:

 

[pugaltitude]

Enough said??? and you as B&S MST should know that's a joke.:thumbdown:

Certainly nothing wrong with the kawasaki but compared to a Vanguard they dont even come close.

The vertical 13-26 hp are bullet proof but with quality as always is they are expensive to buy. Manufacturers need to keep the price down for people to buy so are fitting cheaper briggs, kawas etc.

And most users cant afford the bigblock as it uses 8 litres of fuel an hour!

But i do think the quality has come down on a lot of engines especially briggs but is that manufacturers or is it the market only buying on price and not quality?

 

[Ric]

Certainly nothing wrong with the kawasaki but compared to a Vanguard they dont even come close.

The vertical 13-26 hp are bullet proof but with quality as always is they are expensive to buy. Manufacturers need to keep the price down for people to buy so are fitting cheaper briggs, kawas etc.

And most users cant afford the bigblock as it uses 8 litres of fuel an hour!

But i do think the quality has come down on a lot of engines especially briggs but is that manufacturers or is it the market only buying on price and not quality?

Briggs and Stratton engines have never been a great engine, yes they sell tons of engines for every residential mower in the world but Briggs never made a commercial engine that I know of or at least not one that ever made it in the commercial market like a Kawasaki or a Kohler and probably never will.

 

[reynoldston]

Certainly nothing wrong with the kawasaki but compared to a Vanguard they dont even come close.

The vertical 13-26 hp are bullet proof but with quality as always is they are expensive to buy. Manufacturers need to keep the price down for people to buy so are fitting cheaper briggs, kawas etc.

And most users cant afford the bigblock as it uses 8 litres of fuel an hour!

But i do think the quality has come down on a lot of engines especially briggs but is that manufacturers or is it the market only buying on price and not quality?

Just why do you think the quality went down? I don't see that at all. The engines of today are a lot lighter, put out much more power, start easier, run smother, use less fuel, they use better seals and gaskets so less oil leaks. On top of that you get more hours before you need a replacement engine. You never need to replace the ignition points, and spark plugs go a lot longer, The newer air filters are a big improvement. With some more though I am sure there is more. Back on the early 50's 5HP was top now with the same size engine its well into the 30+ HP.

 

[pugaltitude]

Briggs and Stratton engines have never been a great engine, yes they sell tons of engines for every residential mower in the world but Briggs never made a commercial engine that I know of or at least not one that ever made it in the commercial market like a Kawasaki or a Kohler and probably never will.

Loads of Vanguards sold over here through the years and only routine servicing required. Iv only done one warranty in 10 years.

An end user is different to a technician. You see the price where we know what works in the conditions its supposed to be used.
OEM buys the engine that will just do the job and no more and usually due to price.

If you classing the kawa as commercial then the vanguard will go on probably longer.

 

[Ric]

Loads of Vanguards sold over here through the years and only routine servicing required. Iv only done one warranty in 10 years.

An end user is different to a technician. You see the price where we know what works in the conditions its supposed to be used.
OEM buys the engine that will just do the job and no more and usually due to price.

If you classing the kawa as commercial then the vanguard will go on probably longer.

I don't know about other parts of the country but here I never see a DBS or Mitsubishi on any mowers, all you ever see is Kawasaki or Kohler and occasionally the new Briggs turf series that's not doing well. Anyone that's on the commercial end Like Toro, Hustler, Scag, Exmark and others are all using Kawasaki or Kohler.

 

[Mad Mackie]

The OP and perspective buyer of a new machine needs to make his own decision. Dollars are always a consideration!
My fleet if you will, consists of a 2012 Hustler X-ONE with a Kawasaki FX730V and was an $11,000 machine.
My 2008 Scag Tiger Cub originally with a ELS Briggs and now with a Commercial Turf Briggs was a $6,500 machine. My Ingersoll 4018, a 1989 machine, originally had a P Series Onan that had 2,000 hours and I repowered it with an 18 Briggs Vanguard, this machine just passed the 2,600 hour mark. My Salsco wood chipper has an 8.5 HP Briggs Intek. My 1994 generator has a non sleeved 8 HP Briggs with 550 hours since I have owned it and it still runs great.
When I repowered my Scag, I had several choices, as I'm not a fan of Kohlers, just my opinion, it was a Kawasaki FX730 at $2,400 or a Briggs Commercial Turf Series 49M977 at $850 delivered to my door. The Briggs was a dollar wise decision as it was a direct change, meaning the muffler, control cables, electrical and fuel required no changes, but all would have been needed for a Kawasaki repower. I'm pleased with this new engine and the changes that Briggs made to improve it as compared to the ELS/Intek series engines, and I think that it will be a winner for Briggs, however time will tell.
Mad Mackie in CT

 

[LoCo86]

I know we are talking about what engine to choose, but why would you get a 36" ZTR? You can get a good walk behind 36" and be more flexible with where you can use the machine.