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Yawzya that's expensive.

#1

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

015-2750-00 Bad Boy Muffler for 27hp Kophler​

SV840-3012
They're wanting over $300 for this. It must have gold plating on the inside. Part muffler, part catalytic converter? lol




#2

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Rivets

That’s not bad, once had a 6” long 1” DIA tailpipe for an Onan muffler that had a list price of $119.00. Needed one for a unit on an RV, so manufactured one out of stainless steel pipe for less than $25.00.


#3

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ILENGINE

Just put an ECU/throttle body assembly in a 8kw portable generator a couple weeks ago. ECU was $715.


#4

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bertsmobile1

Mufflers are part of the mower
Thus they are made in small numbers unless the mower uses the factory standard muffler
Thus they are a lot more expensive
Generally I find the cheapest one for the engine then modify it to fit the mower


#5

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Customer bought a new OEM kohler carb for close to $300 that didn't fix the problem. Brought it to me and found it had a one dead coil and the other one was intermittent.


#6

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lugbolt

those mufflers are usually not exclusive to bad boy. Look at the muffler body and see if it has any numbers on it. Sometimes they do, where the actual manufacturer stamps it. If so, just google it.

if it stamped with bad boy number, they probably make it in house.

It may very well have a cat inside of it. Wouldn't surprise me. A lot of small engines have kitty cats in the mufflers now. Price went way up on em too.


#7

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hlw49

Have seen carbs run for over $500.00 dollars.


#8

StarTech

StarTech

PT check out the following link. But they are currently on back order. I think it is because they are custom built.

summitmachinesupply.com

AFTERMARKET REPLACEMENT MUFFLER- BAD BOY 015-2750-00 ZT ELITE - DRIVER SIDE EXHAUST EXIT BLACK CERAMICOAT HIGH HEAT

DESCRIPTION: THIS IS AN AFTERMARKET Replacement Muffler for Bad Boy Mower - INTENDED TO REPLACE OEM PART NUMBER 015-2750-00. BLACK CERAMICOAT FOR CORRISION PROTECTION. DRIVER SIDE EXHAUST EXIT. COMES WITH (4) 8MM X 1.25MM X20MM LONG SOCKET HEAD SCREWS AND (2) GASKETS APPLICATION: 2013 BAD BOY...
summitmachinesupply.com summitmachinesupply.com


#9

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
PT check out the following link. But they are currently on back order. I think it is because they are custom built.

summitmachinesupply.com

AFTERMARKET REPLACEMENT MUFFLER- BAD BOY 015-2750-00 ZT ELITE - DRIVER SIDE EXHAUST EXIT BLACK CERAMICOAT HIGH HEAT

DESCRIPTION: THIS IS AN AFTERMARKET Replacement Muffler for Bad Boy Mower - INTENDED TO REPLACE OEM PART NUMBER 015-2750-00. BLACK CERAMICOAT FOR CORRISION PROTECTION. DRIVER SIDE EXHAUST EXIT. COMES WITH (4) 8MM X 1.25MM X20MM LONG SOCKET HEAD SCREWS AND (2) GASKETS APPLICATION: 2013 BAD BOY...
summitmachinesupply.com summitmachinesupply.com
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From the description:
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS AN AFTERMARKET MUFFLER AND IS NOT A 100% MATCH. THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCESBETWEEN THIS ITEM AND THE OEM VERSION. WITH THAT SAID WE HAVE WORKED OUT MANY OF THE FITMENT ISSUES AND HAVE HAD SEVERAL CUSTOMERS SUCCESSFULLY INSTALL AND USE THIS MUFFLER ON THEIR MOWER.****

Yeah, kind of chancy. Are they hand bending all these?


#10

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

hlw49 said:
Have seen carbs run for over $500.00 dollars.
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The one for my Kawasaki is over $300. So I went the cheapo Amazon route. I'm glad I did. I got a 90% good one on the first try.


#11

StarTech

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
The one for my Kawasaki is over $300. So I went the cheapo Amazon route. I'm glad I did. I got a 90% good one on the first try.
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Just think JD wants $703.75 for carb on the Z950R engine. Which even the Kawasaki one lists for $551.50. Now of course I pay less ($438.20) for it if needed but installing $75 in parts (throttle shaft and bushing) is less.

But buying is painful if I needed to go that route.


#12

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Just think JD wants $703.75 for carb on the Z950R engine. Which even the Kawasaki one lists for $551.50. Now of course I pay less ($438.20) for it if needed but installing $75 in parts (throttle shaft and bushing) is less.

But buying is painful if I needed to go that route.
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I find it a weird that I can get a new Holley 600 for less than $400. Way bigger. Way more parts than anything that goes on a small engine.


#13

StarTech

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
I find it a weird that I can get a new Holley 600 for less than $400. Way bigger. Way more parts than anything that goes on a small engine.
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Not really as go smaller tolerances has to be keep a lot closer so more involved the manufacturing process. However even some small engine carbs are dead simple to make.


#14

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Had a 20+ year old gator that needed a needle and seat in the carb. JD only spared the carb at $350 plus a special order fee. KAWASAKI showed the engine as John Deere only with no parts list. Found a $2 needle that worked. That was 5 years ago. I wonder what that carb is now? If you can get it.
Must be carb week. I cleaned and rebuilt 2 old Briggs flo jets, 2 tecumseh push mower carbs and a couple string trimmer cube carbs.


#15

StarTech

StarTech

Hmm don't know if carb week but has been head gasket month here. 15 so far.


#16

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Not really as go smaller tolerances has to be keep a lot closer so more involved the manufacturing process. However even some small engine carbs are dead simple to make.
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Not really. Just a different size drill bit. The CNC's do most of the work. The machine operator just has to change bits and check parts to see if they're within spec.


#17

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ILENGINE

I think this falls into the you have got to be kidding me category Right deck brake assembly for 2019 Troybilt pony 42x

Deck Brake Assembly (RH) - 983-05182B | Troy-Bilt US

Read reviews and buy Deck Brake Assembly (RH)983-05182B. Free shipping on parts orders over $45.
www.troybilt.com www.troybilt.com


#18

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

ILENGINE said:
I think this falls into the you have got to be kidding me category Right deck brake assembly for 2019 Troybilt pony 42x

Deck Brake Assembly (RH) - 983-05182B | Troy-Bilt US

Read reviews and buy Deck Brake Assembly (RH)983-05182B. Free shipping on parts orders over $45.
www.troybilt.com www.troybilt.com
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That's crazy.


#19

StarTech

StarTech

But if it is only the brake pad that worn out. Then it is cheaper but of course you need a couple rivets.

Deck Brake Pad - 761-05007 | Troy-Bilt US

Read reviews and buy Deck Brake Pad761-05007. Free shipping on parts orders over $45.
www.troybilt.com www.troybilt.com


#20

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ILENGINE

StarTech said:
But if it is only the brake pad that worn out. Then it is cheaper but of course you need a couple rivets.

Deck Brake Pad - 761-05007 | Troy-Bilt US

Read reviews and buy Deck Brake Pad761-05007. Free shipping on parts orders over $45.
www.troybilt.com www.troybilt.com
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Which is the repair that I did. For my area the 5/32 rivets are kind of hard to find.


#21

StarTech

StarTech

ILENGINE said:
Which is the repair that I did. For my area the 5/32 rivets are kind of hard to find.
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That why I ordered them from McMaster-Carr [97525A473 stainless steel version] or if Fastenal around try them. But I am all the time ordering fasteners from McMaster.

50 for $10 plus shipping not too bad. They actually went down some. I really was needing the 3/16 rivets and M6 screws. Now this was couple years ago and I am about out now.
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But I tell you that you better have a very good pop rivet tool for the 3/16 SS rivets. Impossible to break the anvil with a common hand rivet tool.


#22

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bnicol456

PTmowerMech said:

015-2750-00 Bad Boy Muffler for 27hp Kophler​

SV840-3012
They're wanting over $300 for this. It must have gold plating on the inside. Part muffler, part catalytic converter? lol

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Did you check eBay or Amazon? Bay Boy manual shows part number for all parts and I just put the part number in the search. Lots cheaper than the dealer.


#23

Gil

Gil

PTmowerMech said:

015-2750-00 Bad Boy Muffler for 27hp Kophler​

SV840-3012
They're wanting over $300 for this. It must have gold plating on the inside. Part muffler, part catalytic converter? lo
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#24

Gil

Gil

PTmowerMech said:

015-2750-00 Bad Boy Muffler for 27hp Kophler​

SV840-3012
They're wanting over $300 for this. It must have gold plating on the inside. Part muffler, part catalytic converter? lol

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Understand. Had a John Deere Gator with bad muffler. Checked with JD and price was about $375. Shopped around for awhile and could find as pipe and muffler one unit was proprietary to JD. Had to bite the bullet and get from JD, but when went back to them a few months later it had gone up to about $450. Its a protect your market make your parts unique to the unit.
Regards, Gil


#25

B

bertsmobile1

Gil said:
Understand. Had a John Deere Gator with bad muffler. Checked with JD and price was about $375. Shopped around for awhile and could find as pipe and muffler one unit was proprietary to JD. Had to bite the bullet and get from JD, but when went back to them a few months later it had gone up to about $450. Its a protect your market make your parts unique to the unit.
Regards, Gil
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you have no idea what you are talking about Gill.
The price is all about volumes , warehousing & logistics
firstly JD get the mufflers made for them which are designed to work properly so they do not burn the grass, set fire to your mower or wake the dead when you mow.
because the numbers are lowish, the unit cost is high & usually they are paid for at end of the month after delivery
so the excess made for supplying replacements are paid for perhaps 10 years before they will be sold
then they sit in a warehouse costing a lot more to run than most people would believe , which is why a lot of on line retail drop ship because this can knock up to half of the delivered cost off the item
then finally your muffler needs to be picked, packed , invoiced & delivered to the dealer who also needs to make a profit on the sale


#26

7394

7394

Gil said:
Its a protect your market make your parts unique to the unit.
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Harley does that a lot.. They even have a patent on the V-2 Harley engine sound..


#27

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
Had a 20+ year old gator that needed a needle and seat in the carb. JD only spared the carb at $350 plus a special order fee. KAWASAKI showed the engine as John Deere only with no parts list. Found a $2 needle that worked. That was 5 years ago. I wonder what that carb is now? If you can get it.
Must be carb week. I cleaned and rebuilt 2 old Briggs flo jets, 2 tecumseh push mower carbs and a couple string trimmer cube carbs.
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I had an old Honda Rancher with a bad needle. I used a briggs needle and it ran like a top.


#28

O

Oddjob

bertsmobile1 said:
you have no idea what you are talking about Gill.
The price is all about volumes , warehousing & logistics
firstly JD get the mufflers made for them which are designed to work properly so they do not burn the grass, set fire to your mower or wake the dead when you mow.
because the numbers are lowish, the unit cost is high & usually they are paid for at end of the month after delivery
so the excess made for supplying replacements are paid for perhaps 10 years before they will be sold
then they sit in a warehouse costing a lot more to run than most people would believe , which is why a lot of on line retail drop ship because this can knock up to half of the delivered cost off the item
then finally your muffler needs to be picked, packed , invoiced & delivered to the dealer who also needs to make a profit on the sale
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All true, but the biggest reason is lack of competition. If the part was interchangeable with other mass produced parts, you’d see much lower prices. I just forked over $800 for a Honeywell thermostat for my Trane heat pump. No other thermostat is compatible with this unit and no one but Honeywell makes them. They are not repairable. They charge $800 because they can.


#29

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12icer

Yeah a welder, a drill press a chop saw and some stainless tubing goes a long way, you can shape a flange in about a minute with a 7inch side grinder, use the old muffler and pipes as patterns.
Easy to drill the inlet holes bend them 90 and swing them in pointing away from the outlet inside end run the outlet almost to the other end of the tube and you have a muffler you can quieten it down with baffling if you want just put some plates with holes drilled in them between the inlets and the outlet pipes,

Just depends on how quiet, hot and how much money and build time you want in it.


HEH you can even put custom duals on it if the cables gas lines and wires will let you..


#30

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ILENGINE

Ordered a new fuel tank to replace the one that has cracked at a seam under the hold down clamp for my tractor. $377 with tax.


#31

7394

7394

:eek:


#32

I

ILENGINE

Need to call a customer to give him an estimate to repair his Polaris SxS. He seems to have ran it low on oil again after I rebuild the engine 2 years ago. Except this time it did more damage and am going to have install a long block. Estimate $5,800.


#33

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ILENGINE

Working on a Command CV730 and while doing the carb kit discovered that it also need the accelerator kit. The carb repair kit is $68 and the accelerator pump kit is $104. Can get a complete carb assy plus gaskets for $35. For $35 worth ordering just to steal the parts off of to repair the OEM carb if the Amazon carb doesn't work.


#34

R

RevB

PTmowerMech said:
From the description:
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS AN AFTERMARKET MUFFLER AND IS NOT A 100% MATCH. THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCESBETWEEN THIS ITEM AND THE OEM VERSION. WITH THAT SAID WE HAVE WORKED OUT MANY OF THE FITMENT ISSUES AND HAVE HAD SEVERAL CUSTOMERS SUCCESSFULLY INSTALL AND USE THIS MUFFLER ON THEIR MOWER.****

Yeah, kind of chancy. Are they hand bending all these?
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One of the things I wish these muffler guys would do is cut some vertical bracing webbing welded between the flange and the muffler body. That's a hell of an overhang just sitting there bouncing up and down and vibrating cracks right into the muffler body and flange welds.


#35

StarTech

StarTech

Try working a JD 652R where you have remove the muffler to even adjust the valves. Getting it off and on is a major challenge.


#36

I

ILENGINE

StarTech said:
Try working a JD 652R where you have remove the muffler to even adjust the valves. Getting it off and on is a major challenge.
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Worked on a cub cadet shaft driven with a Vanguard horizontal that needed carb work. 4 hr to R-R the engine plus do the carb work. Years before that worked on a White Grazor mower which is a front deck mower with the opposed twin briggs mounted under the seat in the belly. 5 hours to R-R engine to replace the ignition module.


#37

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hlw49

Hammermechanicman said:
Customer bought a new OEM kohler carb for close to $300 that didn't fix the problem. Brought it to me and found it had a one dead coil and the other one was intermittent.
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Don't you just love it when they throw parts at it and it don't fix it. LOL Diaginosing the problem is 95% of the game.


#38

H

hlw49

StarTech said:
Try working a JD 652R where you have remove the muffler to even adjust the valves. Getting it off and on is a major challenge.
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Worked on a JD last year that the bottom seal was leaking and there was just enough room on the engine compartment for the crank shaft to stick through. The seal could not be replaced without pulling the engine. Which in this case the engine had to be pulled any way since the botton crank shaft bushing had worked down and ruined the pan. But still a bad design


#39

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ILENGINE

For you people that think the dealers are ripping you off with their pricing. I put in a parts order Monday with one of my suppliers for 3 blades, a tube for a tire, 2 idler pulleys, and 6 bearings. Shipped in 2 boxes for a total of 14.8 lbs. Order total was $202 and the freight was another $59.39


#40

StarTech

StarTech

ILENGINE said:
For you people that think the dealers are ripping you off with their pricing. I put in a parts order Monday with one of my suppliers for 3 blades, a tube for a tire, 2 idler pulleys, and 6 bearings. Shipped in 2 boxes for a total of 14.8 lbs. Order total was $202 and the freight was another $59.39
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Sounds like Gardner.


#41

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ILENGINE

StarTech said:
Sounds like Gardner.
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Medart.


#42

StarTech

StarTech

Looked into them but they didn't carry the lines I work on so Stuck with Gardner and RBI. And the way Gardner have been doing this year RBI is getting the bulk of the sales.


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