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This is my first season with a new Toro 2023 Timecutter 42" 75747 with the Kohler 7000 series engine. I'm reading some conflicting information of maintenance of the hydrostatic transmission....

Some documentation states
"This transaxle is factory filled, sealed and does
not require oil maintenance"

...yet one dealer tells me the hydrostatic fluid should be changed once per season.

I'm trying to do all maintenance myself on this machine and would like to make certain I take good care of it. Does the fluid/hydro need regular maintenance (if so, how often) or not? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

This two manuals should answer almost all your questions.

Rivets said:

This two manuals should answer almost all your questions.

https://www.toro.com/getpub/182206

https://www.toro.com/getpub/26313

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Yes, and as stated I am seeing conflicting information in that documentation vs online people and dealers. The documentations says ‘no need, it’s sealed unless there’s a problem” and a dealer says “yes, we need to change it regularly”.

So you want to start a fight between manufacturers, dealers, service techs, DIY guys and everyone else. Everyone in each of these groups has their own opinion. I’m not going to help you do that, but I will ask you this question. Who are you going to believe? Tried my best, but I should have said,”Yes dear, I’ll be in the garage”.

Rivets said:

So you want to start a fight between manufacturers, dealers, service techs, DIY guys and everyone else. Everyone in each of these groups has their own opinion. I’m not going to help you do that, but I will ask you this question. Who are you going to believe? Tried my best, but I should have said,”Yes dear, I’ll be in the garage”.

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I doubt he's looking to start a fight.

He's wanting to know what's the best thing to do in order to get long service life out of his mower

Since oil does not last forever, I'm betting the manufacturer would like to see the oil NOT be changed so the transmissions wears out quicker and they get to sell more mowers, parts, and service.

That's how these big companies roll you know!

I have the 75734 with the same engine and the hydros are sealed. I asked the guy at the shop and he said there is no maintenance to do to them. He said he sees them easily get 100s of hours. I think you would have to take them off to change the oil. I did hear of people sucking the oil out through the fill hole and replacing it that way. Not really sure how much more life you would get by doing that. Who knows.

Uh huh... the oil last forever?

That's bogus and they are trying to sell new parts and new mowers!

Jimmy the Lock said:

I doubt he's looking to start a fight.

He's wanting to know what's the best thing to do in order to get long service life out of his mower

Since oil does not last forever, I'm betting the manufacturer would like to see the oil NOT be changed so the transmissions wears out quicker and they get to sell more mowers, parts, and service.

That's how these big companies roll you know!

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That is exactly how the big companies roll. They built exactly what the consumer asked for. A mower that is going to get replaced every 4.5 years that is run 38 hours a year. And those are the national average statistics for riding mowers. So don't go blaming the big companies for doing what people want to to do. Built a mower as cheap as possible and if it breaks they are going to throw it away and buy a new one.

Where people are running into problems is they go buy a mower that is designed to last 5 years and then they try to make it last 20 years. If you want a 20 year mower then you need to buy a 20 year mower. but need to be willing to pay for it.

Well post #8 seems to be the common response to your question on the forum. IMO you have a few options.

1. Buy a new 20 year mower.
2. Let it ride until they die and you can replace them with better hydros that you can drain.
3. Try draining the oil by siphoning it out and putting in fresh ~100 hrs. (This is my pick).
4. Removing them and draining the oil and reinstalling the way the OEM states (I dont think anybody does this).

There is truth to "this is what the consumer created" but I can't entirely blame the consumer. Currency devaluation which is an invisible tax is a big factor. Even the OEM isn't immune to it.

ILENGINE said:

don't go blaming the big companies for doing what people want to to do

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Who are these people that asked for mowers that crap out after a few years???

Nobody in their right mind wants something designed to not last a long time.

What's obvio9usly going on here in all industries is all the big companies get together and have decided to design stuff to not last long on purpose so people will have to buy new ones sooner than they should have to.

There are words for this - greed and control

Jimmy the Lock said:

Who are these people that asked for mowers that crap out after a few years???

Nobody in their right mind wants something designed to not last a long time.

What's obvio9usly going on here in all industries is all the big companies get together and have decided to design stuff to not last long on purpose so people will have to buy new ones sooner than they should have to.

There are words for this - greed and control

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In the 70's you could purchase a push mower for $79 and it would last 20+ years. In early 2000's you could still purchase a push mower for $79. In 70's a riding mower with a 10 hp engine and 42 inch deck was $1,000 that would last 20+ years. Up until around 2020 you could still purchase a riding mower for $1,000. So is this a situation of the manufacturers refusing to mark up their prices or the consumers refusing to pay for 1970's quality in 2000. People say they want quality but then refuse to pay for quality.

So to maintain that quality that $79 push mower would be $350-500. That once $1,000 rider would now be $4,000-5,000. That is were the quality went. There are a lot of cases where people would push their mower to the curb and go purchase a new mower instead of repairing, which is the reason that the average push mower is replaced every 3.5 years and gets 12 hours of use/year. Same as the average riding mower gets 38 hours/year and is replaced every 4.5 years. So part of the issue is people just don't get stuff fixed and part of the issue is trying to keep up with the Jones's since my neighbor got a new riding mower now I need a new mower.

ILENGINE said:

my neighbor got a new riding mower now I need a new mower.

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My neighbor not only got a new riding mower... he put mag wheels on it, dual exhaust with headers, a blower, and he lowered it.

Now he's entering lawn mower racing contests!
And when he mows his grass, it's really fast!

People think it is a conspiracy but in reality it is the consumers fault 100%
If no one bought the $ 1000 ride ons then no one will make them
If everyone bought the $ 10,000 ride ons then that is what the factories will make
The problem is the buying public are too cheap for their own good.
People always ask me what I recommend and the answer is always the same a Greenfields with a single cylinder engine or a Cox with the cone drive .
Then next week they ask do I have any good cheap second hand ones as second hand they are more expensive than the top line of Husqvarna's brand new .
And the reply is always the same, no cheap used ones because the mowers are so good they retain their price almost forever
Then in 12 months time they ring me to come fix their Cub / Husky and ask me why it broke down in just 1 year .
I just did a new belt on a commercial customers 2004 Evolution 2000 MkIIa 17/34 .
He mows around 20 acres with it every week.
Last year I replaced the clutch corks , a $ 350 ( Aus ) job on a mower with 6,000 hours on it
Find a Hydro that runs for 6,000 hours , it needed two $ 7 springs and a $ 2 disc brake pad
The year before that it got a full service with new chains & sprockets , spindle bearings & some pulleys $ 675
He makes around $ 150,000 / year with it .

bertsmobile1 said:

People think it is a conspiracy but in reality it is the consumers fault 100%

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C'mon man, that's a fresh steaming hot load of horse hockey!

I know it is because the big companies used to make things that lasted a long time and then the pointy headed college guys decided if we make things to not last so long we'll get to sell more stuff!

And, they learned they could cut costs by having things made in southern chine by them snuff dippin Chinese rednecks and increase their profit margins too!

You are way over your head
You can buy quality mowers that will run forever with just regular servicing and the companies stock parts for 40 year old mowers.
They are called Walkers, Grasshoppers & John Deers ( excluding the 100 series )
But people just will not pay a fair price for a quality machine it is just that simple
Every one wants it all, they want it now & want it or free

Example the 100 series JD's are just about identical to the AYP machines ( McCulloch - Poulan - Yard Pro - Roper - Husqvarna ) to the point that a lot of the parts will interchange
But the AYP junk outsells the JD which is substantially better by around 20:1
Why, because the AYP stuff is very poor quality so is a couple of hundred cheaper
Pig ignorant people who have never worked in a factory seem to think ride ons are made in the south pole by Santa's elves from fairy dust
And this is before you consider freight

Right now the ride-ons are running $2K for cheapest and around $3.5K for low end versions in my area. I just repaired a JD L120 for $850 that twice the mower than $3.5K one. Yet the customer think was better to purchase the new mower than repair a good mower that they were just been abusing. No way that $3500 mower would take the same abuse.

But they do expect the cheap stuff to last just as long as the better equipment. Gripe about paying a couple hundred to repair it yet go out and drop a small fortune of illegal drugs.

What those complaining about prices should do for once is to take the IPL and price out every single parts then add about 16 hours labor to it. The only OEM are to sale as cheap as they do is because bulk purchases of parts and assembly line labor.

bertsmobile1 said:

You are way over your head

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No, I actually understand the greed that mankind has.

We have the technology to build all kinds of eq2uipment to last a really long time at a reasonable cost... but, they simply won't do that because it's to their advantage to make things designed to breakdown so they can sell more stuff.

StarTech said:

Right now the ride-ons are running $2K for cheapest and around $3.5K for low end versions in my area. I just repaired a JD L120 for $850 that twice the mower than $3.5K one. Yet the customer think was better to purchase the new mower than repair a good mower that they were just been abusing. No way that $3500 mower would take the same abuse.

But they do expect the cheap stuff to last just as long as the better equipment. Gripe about paying a couple hundred to repair it yet go out and drop a small fortune of illegal drugs.

What those complaining about prices should do for once is to take the IPL and price out every single parts then add about 16 hours labor to it. The only OEM are to sale as cheap as they do is because bulk purchases of parts and assembly line labor.

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No need to worry about any of this... it's a free country and people have the right to buy whatever they want and throw it away when it breaks down and buy another one.

We all have out opinions and we should allow others to have their as well without worrying about what they do or don't do.

That is until the US becomes a communist nation and the gubment tells us which mower we can have which shouldn't be too far off now.

There is one little catch to that Jimmy
The planet has finite amounts of every mineral
So with every "throw away" anything there should be an environmental tax to cover the cost of recovery of the non renewable resources and the disposal costs .
I generate 1 cubic meter of landfill / year and that is the combined waste from both the business & the house
The local council levy $ 1,200 / year for garbage collection and next year it is going up to $ 1500 .
People who buy throw away junk are subsidised by people who are responsible consumers .
Capitalist economies waste whatever resource is plentiful in their area and steal what is not .
You life style is subsidised by child slave labour all around the world and people live in abject poverty just so you can get stuff a couple of bucks cheaper .

But it really does not matter because humanity will not make it past the year 3000 by which time we will have polluted ourselves & consumed ourselves into oblivion .
The oxygen content of the air we breathe is dropping while the other gasses are increasing.
This alone is killing off trillions of insects who play a vital part in the ecology and indirectly in the food supply .
One would have thought that the massive bee deaths last decade would have been a big wake up call but no Australia & New Zealand saved the worlds food supply by exporting hundreds of millions of queen bees all around the world to reestablish bee populations world wide to the point that local honey prices increased in price 500 % Noticed the decline in the number of small birds around your neighbourhood in the past decade or two ?
It is not all because of land clearing and domestic cats, insect numbers are down and on top of that they suffer from the lower oxygen content of the air .
All of the governments know this but they all hide it by quoting numbers from small islands in the middle of the oceans.
Back in 1968 the oxygen content in Sydney air was 22.5% by the time I left the industry in 1976 it was down to 22.1% ( we needed these numbers to profile the burners in the furnaces ) in 2020 it was down to 20.1% at 19.5 % humans have trouble breathing at 19% most will get very sick, at 18% we are all dead bar those who have evolved to breathe the thin air at very high altitudes .
The major airlines are all looking at resumption of supersonic flights that travel through and consume the Ozone layer.
This bit of stupidity just so some ones fat arse can get to London or New York a couple of hours faster is also destroying life on the planet as the only thing that protects all life on earth from cosmic radiation, is the Ozone layer so as we gobble it up just so Musk & Bezos can get from the US to London for lunch, back to the USA for afternoon tea and be in Paris in time for supper is firstly going to fry every living thing on the planet , And on top of that a little thing called Partial Pressure Equilibrium will cause even more of the oxygen we breathe to be converted to Ozone which is a poison ( used to kill bacteria in the water that fizzy drinks are made from )

This kind of went off on a tangent so I guess I will join you on the edge

Bert, I totally respect you, you are a smart person with a lot of experience in what you do but the things you mention are never going to be fixed... In fact they are going to get exceedingly worse and things will go on for only a short while longer, nowhere even close to the year 3000. The convergence of signs and biblical prophecy makes this unavoidable.

Now don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up in the air and not try to do what is right... We should still strive to help others, protect the environment, obey the laws, live in peace, etc. But ultimately, the world and the human condition, will always be at odds with this.

I know you are an atheist but if you look at many of the things you mention, including weather events, the love of many growing cold, corruption, greed, terrorism, child trafficking, etc., etc., the world's problems are not going to be fixed via human government/taxation/legalism. These things have been tried many times over and they have never worked. God will eventually have to (and He certainly will) fix things Himself.

“All that we call human history–money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery–[is] the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.” – C.S. Lewis

shurguywutt said:

This kind of went off on a tangent so I guess I will join you on the edge

Bert, I totally respect you, you are a smart person with a lot of experience in what you do but the things you mention are never going to be fixed... In fact they are going to get exceedingly worse and things will go on for only a short while longer, nowhere even close to the year 3000. The convergence of signs and biblical prophecy makes this unavoidable.

Now don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up in the air and not try to do what is right... We should still strive to help others, protect the environment, obey the laws, live in peace, etc. But ultimately, the world and the human condition, will always be at odds with this.

I know you are an atheist but if you look at many of the things you mention, including weather events, the love of many growing cold, corruption, greed, terrorism, child trafficking, etc., etc., the world's problems are not going to be fixed via human government/taxation/legalism. These things have been tried many times over and they have never worked. God will eventually have to (and He certainly will) fix things Himself.

“All that we call human history–money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery–[is] the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.” – C.S. Lewis

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You are welcome to your beliefs as is every other person on the planet on the proviso that you do not attempt to farce any one else to take up your beliefs against their will .
Unfortunately commercial interests always win and commercial interests are always short term because when everything is framed by the life of a person that is a pathetically short time frame in the overall existence of the planet , and of course, this quarters earnings is an even shorter period of time.
Just look at how much money the Coke bothers paid to get atmospheric pollution turned into a political problem not a scientific / social problem .and they managed to do this world wide and in doing so flip it because it was originally the conservatives who could see ( or just wotry about ) the massive costs in the future to fix things .
And note I used the term atmospheric pollution, not climate change because almost every one will accept the fact that we are polluting the air we breathe but the instant you try to explain the consequences of that pollution you end up with a political divide between the believers ( democrats in the USA ) & the deniers ( republicans in the USA )
I seriously doubt that there is anything humans can do right now to reverse what our insatiable greed has set in motion
And country to our faith in religion with the exception of Buddhism and a couple of other fringe religions, all of them instruct their follows to go forth and populate the earth, which is the first problem
Then most monotheistic religions tell us that "Man shall dominion over the lands above all beats
The real tragedy is the original cultural beliefs of most pluralist religions preach that we are merely custodians of the planet and our duty is to protect it for future generations , But we proved they were wrong because our god gave us better weapons to slaughter them with while their gods did not protect them from us .

And as for your quote from Lewis Carrol, I suggest you pop on a flight to South America, find some natives who have been exposed to neither missionaries or McDonalds and you will find truely happy people, till we slaughter them because we found rare earths in their pristine forests .

bertsmobile1 said:

And as for your quote from Lewis Carrol, I suggest you pop on a flight to South America, find some natives who have been exposed to neither missionaries or McDonalds and you will find truely happy people, till we slaughter them because we found rare earths in their pristine forests .

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One does not need to take a plane ride to verify the CS Lewis quote. The aforementioned natives living in 'their' pristine forest may appear happy at first glance until they war with a neighboring tribe over a river territory that has prettier shells. Generally speaking, this is the same argument in a different context and Lewis' quote still holds true.

shurguywutt said:

One does not need to take a plane ride to verify the CS Lewis quote. The aforementioned natives living in 'their' pristine forest may appear happy at first glance until they war with a neighboring tribe over a river territory that has prettier shells. Generally speaking, this is the same argument in a different context and Lewis' quote still holds true.

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It actually dosn't you know.
A lot of native tribes live quite happily with each other
In fact the Australian black fellas have been doing this for somewhere around 75,000 years .
During which time they managed to work out a very complex set of laws observed by all of the Known 205 nations ( there were probably more but we slaughtered , starved and cut of the water supply to unknown countless natives when "White men with Bibles in their hands " came along to save their souls .
Prior to that they had laws , land borders , a complex trading system, regular conferences to settle minor problems , herbal health remedies that actually worked, perfect health (along the principles of Darwinism ) , no unemployment, no homelessness , apart form punishment banishings , all the food , clothing & shelter that was necessary , a complex system of totems to prevent intermarriage within the smaller family groups , tight family & tribal bondings, aged care .
In fact it was a fairly ideal life style till we white fellas came along .

So Lewis Carrol is just sprouting arrogant white man bible bashings propaganda.
There are only 2 things that lead to war, possesions & religions .

And what was that quote again ?

More people have died in the name of God than for any other cause in the entire history of humanity .

I am certain other groups beside "white men with Bibles" read the Bible and go on missionary journeys (doing many good things I might add)... Don't confuse "white men with Bibles" with sin. Sin is the human condition unfortunately and we all do things we shouldn't... Whether it is tell a lie, steal, cheat, even murder. Do you have to teach a child how to do wrong? Small sins usually lead to larger ones and we all do it in some way or another.

I will admit many have died in the name of gods but you have to agree that there are many different gods to many different people groups, even atheists contend that they are gods themselves to a certain degree (to know with certainty that there is no God you would have to be omniscient and omnipresent). The God I contend for is the God that created all of the undeniable complexity around us if you look around. Faith in Darwinism contends that you can set up C4 in a scrapyard, blow it up and get a fueled, oiled, and running SCAG Turf Tiger II after enough explosions and bazillions of years... I don't think so.

It is rudimentary to assert most people have "died in the name of God" yet not define what God actually is. Most people have been killed in the name of a dictator who thinks he is a god (usually a communist) and as a direct result of his and his organization's sin. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. All of these dictators listed are dead now so I would say they know the truth whether there is a God and if there is justice. There is and I am thankful for that because of all the bad things you listed that the evil (white?) men did throughout history... They will have to make an account for it.

Back to lawnmowers... I drained my ZT2100s after about 100 hrs and here is the result. Pretty dirty and since the 2100 does not have a drain I had to suction the oil out (bit of a pain) and was only able to get about 3/4 QT out of each unit. I replaced the oil with 20w50 Valvoline Synthetic. If you do it, I would recommend doing it after mowing when the hydros are hot. If I get bored enough I might do another round.



How dirty the oil is after just 100 hrs, you can come to your own conclusion on whether they are maintenance free lol...

shurguywutt said:

. Faith in Darwinism contends that you can set up C4 in a scrapyard, blow it up and get a fueled, oiled, and running SCAG Turf Tiger II after enough explosions and bazillions of years... I don't think so.

It is rudimentary to assert most people have "died in the name of God" yet not define what God actually is. Most people have been killed in the name of a dictator who thinks he is a god (usually a communist) and as a direct result of his and his organization's sin. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. All of these dictators listed are dead now so I would say they know the truth whether there is a God and if there is justice. There is and I am thankful for that because of all the bad things you listed that the evil (white?) men did throughout history... They will have to make an account for it.

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That is a pretty screwed view of Darwinism which in itself is a flawed view of evolution.
It also shows you have never actively tried the breed animals or plants to enhance a particular quality or you would understand what evolution was actually about .
As for Darwinism, it is the opposite of evolution as the bad die out . Nothing turns into something it never was
And your list of war casualties assumes that people only die because of wars .
You ignore the hundreds of millions of South Americans who were slaughtered , "in the name of God" because they were heathens , which had nothing of course to do with all of the gold artefacts that got shipped back to Europe , or the millions of Arabs slaughtered during the 1st, 2nd , 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th , 7th & 8th HOLEY CRUSADES
And that is just those killed in battles it ignores those killed by diseases like the clap introduced to native tribes by missionaries who could not quite keep up their vowes of chastity when tempted by all of those almost naked native women , plus simple thing like flu & small pox & leprosy because the "good book" apparently written by the maker himself ( note always a man ) failed to mention things which he invented like bacteria & viruses , must have slipped his mind at the time cause he was busy making bushes burn . Then there is the slight anatomical problems with reproduction as mentioned in every "Good Book" where the "seeds of life " are transferred from man to woman ( an act of sin if you are catholic ) when in fact that is 100% backwards because the men who wrote the fairy stories had never seen an ovary let alone a human egg , or bacteria or a virus cell because they were writing a book of lies for the sole purpose of subjugating the masses in order to maintain their position of power .
And do not forget the Papal army that slaughtered 1/2 of Europe during the reformation.
Even in relatively modern times you might like to do some research into US Churches & EUGENICS from which Hitler developed his theory of the "final Solution"
But you can only research this via the popular press of the time because as most universities were controlled by the religious groups, post WW II all traces of their whole hearted support for eugenics was expunged from the research records to be replaced with their opposition to the practice which is weird considering just how many religious based hospitals carried out mass sterilisation , predominately to black woman and almost never to a white man despite vasectomies being simpler & safer than hysterectomies .
Then if you want more there is a 28 volume findings of the Australian Government Royal Commission into Institutional Abuse of Children and every instution was either owned or run by a religious order of some sort .

Now you can believe is what ever fairy story that you like that is your right .
It is a free world ( well our bit anyway ) but keep your preaching for brainwashing your own children and off this list lest you want me to to write thousands of errors in all of the "Good Books" which undoubtedly will cause a lot of people a conflict of faith and possibly even a suicide or two .

Sad, it sounds like you hate God and think he is the problem with the world. But sometimes we need to experience something for ourselves. Maybe you will.

bertsmobile1 said:

but keep your preaching for brainwashing your own children and off this list lest you want me to to write thousands of errors in all of the "Good Books" which undoubtedly will cause a lot of people a conflict of faith and possibly even a suicide or two .

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That is a mean thing to say... Hopefully you know Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic otherwise you are just reading translations. I know if I wrote something like this I would want to make sure I was 100% correct. Kind regards.

shurguywutt said:

Sad, it sounds like you hate God and think he is the problem with the world. But sometimes we need to experience something for ourselves. Maybe you will.

That is a mean thing to say... Hopefully you know Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic otherwise you are just reading translations. I know if I wrote something like this I would want to make sure I was 100% correct. Kind regards.

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You can not hate some thing that only exists in the minds of the brainwashed so no I do not hate God, in fact I do no hate full stop.
When I lived in the city I used to go to a lot of public lectures & debates
One that was rivetingly interesting was given by a scholar who has been translating one of the Dead Sea Scrolls
Over the period of 3 hours she went through all of the possible ways 2 paragraphs , that was a bit less than 100 words of 15,000 in the scroll could be translated
It was an eye opener and some thing I had never considered that the literal translation of 15 words could have had over 300 different meanings depending upon the actual date when the scroll was written because all languages are dynamic and words change meanings over time , cool with that daddy O , really terrific & totally awesome ?
So in just 2 parragraphs you can derrive hundreds of different meanings , many of them polar opposites so the meanings get cherry picked to suit the biases of the translator .
So there is no such thing as a perfect translation unless it is done concurrent with the original and every word has an exact replacement in the translated language .
And FWIW my Jewish grandfather taught me Hebrew and that Hebrew was nothing like the Hebrew that my high school tried to teach me , same as the native born French students failed French . And yes I used to be able to sing the Torah although I was brought up anglican .
So don't try that cheap "wrong translation " trick on me .
One of my favourite debates to attend were the "Does God Exist" ones, at least 2 times a year and always entertaining because the Yes side were all educated to the Phd level so some very strong , rational & sound arguments . Note a man by the name of Jesus did exist in fact there were many of them, but that is yet another story .
Another interesting lecture was again given by a cleric on "monotheism & environmental destruction" and despite being an ordained bishop ( also with a Phd) he made a very sound case that pluralism was more environmental sustainable than monotheism , a theory I have found to be quite true , well at least as far as Australian Natives goes .

As for " brainwashing " that stands because that is what it is . By the time I was 3 I could sing dozens of religious songs learned at sunday school in fact when I went to kinder garden I knew more religious songs than non religious songs and apart from God Save the Queen I sang them more than any non religious songs at least 3 times every Sunday and quite often mid week nights as well as mum was very religious so I went to a lot of church based social events .
We suffered persecution by the local rabbis because grandfather married an anglican and more persecution from the catholics because my father was a catholic.
Before I went to school I had learned the words , Slut , Whore & Bastard , all from the mouths of the local nuns , the saintly brides of Christ . So "Jesus loves me this I know because the bible tells me so " & "all the children black & white they are precious in his sight , Jesus loves all the children of the world " rang just a touch hollow in my ears so no surprise I started to wonder why all the purveyors of "love" showed so much hate if you read a different book or even the same book a different way .

But back to the subject.
I do not tack "God is a myth" onto the end of my posts because I respect the beliefs of other list members
I would hope you have enough respect for the beliefs of other list members to stop proselytising as well

shurguywutt said:

Back to lawnmowers... I drained my ZT2100s after about 100 hrs and here is the result. Pretty dirty and since the 2100 does not have a drain I had to suction the oil out (bit of a pain) and was only able to get about 3/4 QT out of each unit. I replaced the oil with 20w50 Valvoline Synthetic. If you do it, I would recommend doing it after mowing when the hydros are hot. If I get bored enough I might do another round.

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How dirty the oil is after just 100 hrs, you can come to your own conclusion on whether they are maintenance free lol...

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A Hydro Gear ZT2100 transaxle holds about 1.7 quarts of oil each. Therefore you only extracted less than half of the oil total in each unit. Better than nothing, but far from ideal.

Tiger Small Engine said:

A Hydro Gear ZT2100 transaxle holds about 1.7 quarts of oil each. Therefore you only extracted less than half of the oil total in each unit. Better than nothing, but far from ideal.

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Not ideal but it is what it is since they designed it with no drain plugs I will probably do another drain and fill after the next season. The oil was dirty but it wasn't black like in some others I have seen.

bertsmobile1 said:

You can not hate some thing that only exists in the minds of the brainwashed so no I do not hate God, in fact I do no hate full stop.

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You certainly seem to be on a mission to prove something false that is already false? "Respecting someone's beliefs" but calling them brainwashed is loving/respectful? Perhaps you are acting a bit more like the nuns and rabbis you wrote about then you realize?

I would be happy to continue this in private message with you... This forum is for lawnmowers and I would consider this thread thoroughly hijacked as it is...

If any mods are watching this, I am not offended by any of this so you don't have to close this thread.

All items of culture is brainwashing and that includes religions
There is nothing genetic in you that makes you American & me an Australian
Same as right & Wrong, all learned & what is right to some is wrong to others
Most natives marry the girls off immediately after their first menstruation for obvious reasons while we consider that child abuse because we put a totally arbitrary age limit to marriages some where between 14 & 21 depending upon where you are from.

And no I do not wish to have a debate about the existence of God because as a believer your mind is shut , just the same as trying to tell a MAGA republican that Trump is a lier, cheat, thief, rapist & con man they just will not believe it because the are part of the Trump cult .

Now put up with people ending a post with "god bless" or other such nonsense because it is done with good intentions as a congenial thank you.
But posting proselytising texts is a different thing all together which is why I called you out and by the way I am very very happy and know hundreds of very happy agnostics and even more very happy skeptics as I used to belong to a couple of societies of skeptics .

It is amazing just how much more time one suddenly finds when the TV is turned off .

bertsmobile1 said:

There is nothing genetic in you that makes you American & me an Australian

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Well, at least some states in the US didn't lose their minds and impose extreme communist lock down measure during the covid debacle like the aussies did.

It was looking like the CCP had taken over Australia for a while there!

Did you folks ever get any common sense back or did they keep you people locked down?

bertsmobile1 said:

Now put up with people ending a post with "god bless" or other such nonsense

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They have the right to express themselves just like you... so if you don't like people saying "God Bless You" maybe put on your big boy pants and understand that people have no requirement to get your permission to express themselves.

It's a simple generic term that doesn't point to any specific religion...so only the nutty atheists would get upset at this. They spend lots of time complaining about something that claim isn't real

Jimmy the Lock said:

Well, at least some states in the US didn't lose their minds and impose extreme communist lock down measure during the covid debacle like the aussies did.

It was looking like the CCP had taken over Australia for a while there!

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Some premiers ( governors to you ) did over do it a bit.
OTOH we had the second lowest covid deaths per head of population in the entire developed world
The annoying bit is the fact that the governments botched things because being an island we could have & should have held covid at bay till after vaccines had been in wide use & proven to be effective.
In my state we quickly worked out it was US flight crew that were bringing infections into the state so we made them stay at the Airport Hilton & not go into Kings Cross to the bars, strip clubs & brothels and apparently several US airlines refused to fly to Australia because of it .And all was going well till a ( Conservative ) politician botched the air port quarantine because he forgot to quarantine hire car drivers as well as bus drivers so that caused 142 deaths.
Western Australia did the best with I think 4 deaths and South Australia came a close second .
What americans never seem to realise is Australia has the same land mass as the lower 48 with a population about that of California
All of the major medical centre are around the coast so any one who catches covid inland and is severely ill is dead
As for Victoria, well we call them Mexicans for a good reason
They tend to be a touch radical and the goofy Greens have held the balance of power down there for so long it is not funny
Yhus all sorts of emotionally driven laws with little in the way of scientific or intelligent thought gone into them .

bertsmobile1 said:

we had the second lowest covid deaths per head of population in the entire developed world

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Yeah, but now you got lots of folks injured and dying from the vaxx and others getting cancer.

When they told us all it was safe and effective... they lied!

Anytime they all get together and try to force everyone to get the vaxx... you know...

Man, this boring transaxle thread keeps getting better and better ROFL

shurguywutt said:

Man, this boring transaxle thread keeps getting better and better ROFL

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Well, lawn mower operators need to stay safe out there... otherwise, who's gonna cut the grass?

Jimmy the Lock said:

Yeah, but now you got lots of folks injured and dying from the vaxx and others getting cancer.

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Anytime they all get together and try to force everyone to get the vaxx... you know...
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In a single word , NO
There were a very and I mean very small number of people who had a bad reaction to one or the other kind of vaccines but that was lower than the percentage of people who have allergic reactions to the annual flu vaccine or any other vaccine for that matter .
AFAIK not a single person required any more than a couple of nights of observation .
As you would expect the media over hyped this to the n"th degree but in the days of click bait media what do you expect ?

It was no surprise that the largest numbers of bad reactions to vaccines reports came from the far North Coast regions of NSW & Lower QLD.
Now to put this in perspective, the same areas petitioned the cell phone company to remove the two 5G phone towers that were spreading covid in the region.
Now this might be true, no one has done research to see if there is a link between excessive marijuana consumption, G5 cell towers & Covid while I doubt there will be a link but I would be happy to volunteer for the research
It is the same region where there was a very large cluster of Limes Disease that the Health Department was covering up, that ended up being an outbreak of Rat Heart Worm from all of the "organic" purists eating their organically grown food without washing it properly.
The real tragedy of this is very few of them vaccinate their kids so they have very high outbreaks of the diseases the RMD vaccine protects against so lots of kids with brain damage , even before they become pot heads but this region has some of the highest proportions of people with university degrees, Masters degrees and 3rd highest concentrations of Phd's

Covid is a corona virus, and there are thousands of corona viruses out there
The common flu has several variants that are corona viruses and hybrid corona viruses.
The problem with this outbreak is it was new to humanity so just like when the English came to Australia with Rhino virus, it wiped out over 2,000 of the natives because their immune system had never seen the common cold before .
Way too many people are allowed to leave school without anything like a proper education and in my days the smartest kids did important subjects like Latin, Hebrew & Ancient Greek .
Now if humans had the capacity to learn from the past ( and we do not ) then study of those languages & the historical documents written in them may have served some useful purpose .
Thus we have very smart people graduating from university with Phds who are scientifically illiterate so fall for all sorts of conspiracy theories , can not determine fact from fiction, find connections between things that do not exist and make a fortune for Scott Ritter by subscribing to his channels .
These are the same sort of goof balls who fall for Trumps BS or end up following clots like Johnes and end up dead en-mass .

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There were a very and I mean very small number of people who had a bad reaction

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Man, that's certainly not the case here in the US.

bertsmobile1 said:

In a single word , NO
There were a very and I mean very small number of people who had a bad reaction to one or the other kind of vaccines but that was lower than the percentage of people who have allergic reactions to the annual flu vaccine or any other vaccine for that matter .
AFAIK not a single person required any more than a couple of nights of observation .
As you would expect the media over hyped this to the n"th degree but in the days of click bait media what do you expect ?

It was no surprise that the largest numbers of bad reactions to vaccines reports came from the far North Coast regions of NSW & Lower QLD.
Now to put this in perspective, the same areas petitioned the cell phone company to remove the two 5G phone towers that were spreading covid in the region.
Now this might be true, no one has done research to see if there is a link between excessive marijuana consumption, G5 cell towers & Covid while I doubt there will be a link but I would be happy to volunteer for the research
It is the same region where there was a very large cluster of Limes Disease that the Health Department was covering up, that ended up being an outbreak of Rat Heart Worm from all of the "organic" purists eating their organically grown food without washing it properly.
The real tragedy of this is very few of them vaccinate their kids so they have very high outbreaks of the diseases the RMD vaccine protects against so lots of kids with brain damage , even before they become pot heads but this region has some of the highest proportions of people with university degrees, Masters degrees and 3rd highest concentrations of Phd's

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More of My Friends & Family passed from the jab. And I do not know anyone or Family member who passed from the covid.

shurguywutt said:

Back to lawnmowers... I drained my ZT2100s after about 100 hrs and here is the result. Pretty dirty and since the 2100 does not have a drain I had to suction the oil out (bit of a pain) and was only able to get about 3/4 QT out of each unit. I replaced the oil with 20w50 Valvoline Synthetic. If you do it, I would recommend doing it after mowing when the hydros are hot. If I get bored enough I might do another round.

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How dirty the oil is after just 100 hrs, you can come to your own conclusion on whether they are maintenance free lol...

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I drilled & tapped my case spring of 2023 on my 2015 with 2200. It had 630 hour's & oil looked very close to Yours.

fixit1ddh said:

More of My Friends & Family passed from the jab. And I do not know anyone or Family member who passed from the covid.

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Sorry to hear abut your family
People are complex
We were away for 10 days last month and one of the group had a bad chesty cold , which I also got .
No one else had any symptoms , cols or covid like .
On the 11th day on the way home one became quite ill so he did a non stop dash while the rest of us finished the trip.
By then the Chesty cold person & myself were fine.
A day after we returned a second member felt crook and as his wife is asthmatic he did a RAT which came up + so he isolated, I did a RAT and it came up -
The person who left early spent 2 days in hospital for observation , developed al sorts of rashes , swelling & breathing problems, his RAT came up - but the PCR came up +
He ended up on the new anti virals for 10 days ( $ 200,000 at full price ) and still has not fully recovered requiring a stick to walk and this was his 3rd Covid, the previous 2 had almost no effect on him .
All of us were fully vaccinated for both covid & flu.

Now in my social circles and that numbers into the thousands ( mad motorcyclists ) not a single person had any problems with any of the vaccines other than a sore arm for a day or 2 & I did not even have that .
There were quite a few deaths attributed to the vaccine, but most when full autopsies were done were found to be from other causes .
And several people were charged with fraud as there was substantial compensation paid to people who were very adversley affected by the vaccines .

There was a cluster of deaths that all led back to the same clinic and eventually to improper storage of the vaccine which had turned it toxic.
That was the one that was supposed to be kept really cold and it had sat at room temperature for over a week before being refrigerated and we tossed out thousands of doses because of improper storage .
The main difference between Aust & US is the bulk of the vaccinations were done via the government heath system so those vials with 3 doses left in them at the end of the day were destroyed where as several private clinics were fined for carying vials over into a second day so the full 10 were used up .

fixit1ddh said:

I drilled & tapped my case spring of 2023 on my 2015 with 2200. It had 630 hour's & oil looked very close to Yours.

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Wow, I would be afraid to do that on mine... I am surprised your oil was so clean after 6x the hours mine has... My dealer said the 2100s don't give him much of a problem so maybe they are pretty reliable.