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Top mower under $7,000!
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poolecw
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poolecw
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000?
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
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Nwatson99
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With that size yard, this is what I would go after.
John Deere ZTrak Z915B Zero-Turn Mowers JohnDeere.com
"As usual ignore the MSRP from the web-site, you can get a much better deal at the dealer"
John Deere ZTrak Z915B Zero-Turn Mowers JohnDeere.com
"As usual ignore the MSRP from the web-site, you can get a much better deal at the dealer"
#3
Carscw
I would cut your yard with the toro and see how you like it.
Toro makes a good mower.
Is there any others you have looked at?
You are going to get 50 people telling you to get what they have.
If I was looking to get a new mower it would be the toro grandstand.
Carscw
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000? If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
I would cut your yard with the toro and see how you like it.
Toro makes a good mower.
Is there any others you have looked at?
You are going to get 50 people telling you to get what they have.
If I was looking to get a new mower it would be the toro grandstand.
#4
Ric
If you gave me $7,000 to spend all on a mower I'd go with either the Toro Z Master, Exmark or a Hustler Fastrak SD or the Hustler X-one. I would stay as far away from Briggs & Stratton as I could, go with The Kawasaki FS or FX engine and a Kohler engine would be a second choice. Look at what the Professionals are cutting with for there main mower and backups that will give you a good indication of what works well and what not to buy.
Ric
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000?
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
If you gave me $7,000 to spend all on a mower I'd go with either the Toro Z Master, Exmark or a Hustler Fastrak SD or the Hustler X-one. I would stay as far away from Briggs & Stratton as I could, go with The Kawasaki FS or FX engine and a Kohler engine would be a second choice. Look at what the Professionals are cutting with for there main mower and backups that will give you a good indication of what works well and what not to buy.
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poolecw
Thanks for the info everyone. I may ask to use the bro-in-law's new Toro Z 2000 this weekend to see how I like it. My dad has a SCAG but he is 5 hours away. I don't know which model he has but if I know him, it got 2x the mower that he needed.
By the way, all the commercial guys around here are sporting Exmarks...at least 9 out of 10 are. There's a few that use Grashoppers...but I don't know jack about that brand.
Keep the advice coming...I"m about 2 weeks out from making a purchase.
By the way, all the commercial guys around here are sporting Exmarks...at least 9 out of 10 are. There's a few that use Grashoppers...but I don't know jack about that brand.
Keep the advice coming...I"m about 2 weeks out from making a purchase.
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LoCo86
If you want to come up to Chattanooga I would sell you my 23hp 52" Toro Grandstand. It almost has 40 hours on it. It's a great mower but I had a car accident about 7 years ago and I thought my legs and back could handle standing in one spot for a long period of time, but it looks like I'm going to need a riding mower instead.
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LoCo86
I would cut your yard with the toro and see how you like it. Toro makes a good mower. Is there any others you have looked at? You are going to get 50 people telling you to get what they have. If I was looking to get a new mower it would be the toro grandstand.
If you want to come up to Chattanooga I would sell you my 23hp 52" Toro Grandstand. It almost has 40 hours on it. It's a great mower but I had a car accident about 7 years ago and I thought my legs and back could handle standing in one spot for a long period of time, but it looks like I'm going to need a riding mower instead.
#8
Ric
The Exmark is a really good mower, it's also owned and made by Toro now. The Toro Grandstand as some mentioned is a fantastic mower. I use the 36" on all my residential lawns, it has one of the best cuts of any ztr I've used. I didn't mention the Grandstand because I'd probably be accused of being bias :smile:
Ric
Thanks for the info everyone. I may ask to use the bro-in-law's new Toro Z 2000 this weekend to see how I like it. My dad has a SCAG but he is 5 hours away. I don't know which model he has but if I know him, it got 2x the mower that he needed.
By the way, all the commercial guys around here are sporting Exmarks...at least 9 out of 10 are. There's a few that use Grashoppers...but I don't know jack about that brand.
Keep the advice coming...I"m about 2 weeks out from making a purchase.
The Exmark is a really good mower, it's also owned and made by Toro now. The Toro Grandstand as some mentioned is a fantastic mower. I use the 36" on all my residential lawns, it has one of the best cuts of any ztr I've used. I didn't mention the Grandstand because I'd probably be accused of being bias :smile:
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djdicetn
I paid $6,800 out-the-door for my 2012 Gravely 52" Pro-Turn 100XDz and have never looked back(and I looked at a lot of the other ZTR's being recommended). But that was a Fall remaining inventory deal and you couldn't get one of the XDZ series for that today. As you have already surmised, most response you get from "satisfied" owners will be a recommendation to buy one like they have. I can confidently advise you to take a look at the 60" Gravely base Pro-Turn(Model#991202) which usually has a MSRP of $7,349 and is on sale for $6,599. Compare it to the others in that price range and decide what's best for you. Below is a link to the Gravely on my local dealer's website:
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djdicetn
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000?
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
I paid $6,800 out-the-door for my 2012 Gravely 52" Pro-Turn 100XDz and have never looked back(and I looked at a lot of the other ZTR's being recommended). But that was a Fall remaining inventory deal and you couldn't get one of the XDZ series for that today. As you have already surmised, most response you get from "satisfied" owners will be a recommendation to buy one like they have. I can confidently advise you to take a look at the 60" Gravely base Pro-Turn(Model#991202) which usually has a MSRP of $7,349 and is on sale for $6,599. Compare it to the others in that price range and decide what's best for you. Below is a link to the Gravely on my local dealer's website:
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#10
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poolecw
I'm in Lafayette...just down the road. Got my mind set on a 60''. Thanks for the offer though.
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poolecw
If you want to come up to Chattanooga I would sell you my 23hp 52" Toro Grandstand. It almost has 40 hours on it. It's a great mower but I had a car accident about 7 years ago and I thought my legs and back could handle standing in one spot for a long period of time, but it looks like I'm going to need a riding mower instead.
I'm in Lafayette...just down the road. Got my mind set on a 60''. Thanks for the offer though.
#11
Carscw
I might come look and talk price with you.
I am only 30 mins away and just picked up 20 yards in Chattanooga.
Carscw
If you want to come up to Chattanooga I would sell you my 23hp 52" Toro Grandstand. It almost has 40 hours on it. It's a great mower but I had a car accident about 7 years ago and I thought my legs and back could handle standing in one spot for a long period of time, but it looks like I'm going to need a riding mower instead.
I might come look and talk price with you.
I am only 30 mins away and just picked up 20 yards in Chattanooga.
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poolecw
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poolecw
Ok guys, after a lot of internet researching, I have a top 3 list. Now I'm going to try to go out to dealers and get hands on. With each of the ones below, I would be looking at a Kaw engine if possible.
Toro X 2000
SCAG Freedom Z 61"
Bad Boy Outlaw
Toro X 2000
SCAG Freedom Z 61"
Bad Boy Outlaw
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bturner032002
From those three me personally the scag for sure.
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bturner032002
Ok guys, after a lot of internet researching, I have a top 3 list. Now I'm going to try to go out to dealers and get hands on. With each of the ones below, I would be looking at a Kaw engine if possible.
Toro X 2000
SCAG Freedom Z 61"
Bad Boy Outlaw
From those three me personally the scag for sure.
#14
clpolcar
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My dealer would not even sell me a freedom z. Just doesn't think it was built that well and could get a better machine for not that much more. My vote would be the toro. I have a ferris mower
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poolecw
If he thinks that model isn't built well, why does he sell them?
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poolecw
My dealer would not even sell me a freedom z. Just doesn't think it was built that well and could get a better machine for not that much more. My vote would be the toro. I have a ferris mower
If he thinks that model isn't built well, why does he sell them?
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LoCo86
Just message me if you're interested.
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LoCo86
I might come look and talk price with you. I am only 30 mins away and just picked up 20 yards in Chattanooga.
Just message me if you're interested.
#17
djdicetn
From those three I would pick the Toro Z-Master 2000 series!!! That Turbo Force deck cuts extremely well!!
P.S.
Have you asked the Toro dealer how much more the 3000 series in the 60" Z-Master is??? That's a VERY NICE commercial mower(has the full 7gauge deck instead of the 10gauge w/7gauge spindle reinforcement deck that the 2000 series has. Also the 3000 has the suspension seat upgrade. I'm curious how much the 3000 upgrade would be. Most likely....well worth it!!
djdicetn
Ok guys, after a lot of internet researching, I have a top 3 list. Now I'm going to try to go out to dealers and get hands on. With each of the ones below, I would be looking at a Kaw engine if possible.
Toro X 2000
SCAG Freedom Z 61"
Bad Boy Outlaw
From those three I would pick the Toro Z-Master 2000 series!!! That Turbo Force deck cuts extremely well!!
P.S.
Have you asked the Toro dealer how much more the 3000 series in the 60" Z-Master is??? That's a VERY NICE commercial mower(has the full 7gauge deck instead of the 10gauge w/7gauge spindle reinforcement deck that the 2000 series has. Also the 3000 has the suspension seat upgrade. I'm curious how much the 3000 upgrade would be. Most likely....well worth it!!
#18
djdicetn
Watch out Carscw.....you get that Grandstand and you wouldn't want to mow yards with any of your other mowers(just ask user Ric:0)
djdicetn
I might come look and talk price with you.
I am only 30 mins away and just picked up 20 yards in Chattanooga.
Watch out Carscw.....you get that Grandstand and you wouldn't want to mow yards with any of your other mowers(just ask user Ric:0)
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LoCo86
Even though the 7 gauge deck is thicker and durable I've had several mowers with the 7-10 and find them to be just as durable. 10+ years of abuse is a testament to that.
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LoCo86
From those three I would pick the Toro Z-Master 2000 series!!! That Turbo Force deck cuts extremely well!! P.S. Have you asked the Toro dealer how much more the 3000 series in the 60" Z-Master is??? That's a VERY NICE commercial mower(has the full 7gauge deck instead of the 10gauge w/7gauge spindle reinforcement deck that the 2000 series has. Also the 3000 has the suspension seat upgrade. I'm curious how much the 3000 upgrade would be. Most likely....well worth it!!
Even though the 7 gauge deck is thicker and durable I've had several mowers with the 7-10 and find them to be just as durable. 10+ years of abuse is a testament to that.
#20
djdicetn
Yep..you are right. The deck on the 2000(by all requirements a true commercial ZTR) is indeed plenty durable!!!!
djdicetn
Even though the 7 gauge deck is thicker and durable I've had several mowers with the 7-10 and find them to be just as durable. 10+ years of abuse is a testament to that.
Yep..you are right. The deck on the 2000(by all requirements a true commercial ZTR) is indeed plenty durable!!!!
#21
Vanousb
Vanousb
I would still go take a good look at the Exmark Pioneer. Have been impressed with it from the start. I free with an artier post...get what feel right to you as they all have selling points and their "following". Same goes for engines...someone with a bad experience on a brand will like the other better, etc. You are doing the right thing in research and going out to ride on each you are interested in. Good luck and enjoy.
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djdicetn
What kind of deal did you get on that Exmark Pioneer? I'm wondering how the price compares to similarly equipped ZTR's by Gravely, Hustler, Toro, Kubota, Cub Cadet, etc.
djdicetn
I would still go take a good look at the Exmark Pioneer. Have been impressed with it from the start. I free with an artier post...get what feel right to you as they all have selling points and their "following". Same goes for engines...someone with a bad experience on a brand will like the other better, etc. You are doing the right thing in research and going out to ride on each you are interested in. Good luck and enjoy.
What kind of deal did you get on that Exmark Pioneer? I'm wondering how the price compares to similarly equipped ZTR's by Gravely, Hustler, Toro, Kubota, Cub Cadet, etc.
#23
Vanousb
I went with the 60 inch Pioneer S-Series at 6900. I was looking at the Gravely ZTHD 60 inch and the Bad Boy 60 inch. The Exmark runs 1000 to 1800 more depending on where you look. Both Gravely and BB had lesser engine hp, little lesser Hydro (3100 vs 3400), slightly less torque, smaller tire base (20 vs the 23 on the pioneer) and 1 less year on mower warranty. Some other differences. All told, I feel more for the money overall to last a very long time. Finally, to me the BB an Gravely felt boxy to me compare the the Pioneer. Stayed with those 3 as they were all sold local and I wanted to be close to service, accessories, part if needed.
Vanousb
What kind of deal did you get on that Exmark Pioneer? I'm wondering how the price compares to similarly equipped ZTR's by Gravely, Hustler, Toro, Kubota, Cub Cadet, etc.
I went with the 60 inch Pioneer S-Series at 6900. I was looking at the Gravely ZTHD 60 inch and the Bad Boy 60 inch. The Exmark runs 1000 to 1800 more depending on where you look. Both Gravely and BB had lesser engine hp, little lesser Hydro (3100 vs 3400), slightly less torque, smaller tire base (20 vs the 23 on the pioneer) and 1 less year on mower warranty. Some other differences. All told, I feel more for the money overall to last a very long time. Finally, to me the BB an Gravely felt boxy to me compare the the Pioneer. Stayed with those 3 as they were all sold local and I wanted to be close to service, accessories, part if needed.
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djdicetn
For that price, you should have been comparing the Gravely Pro-Turn instead of the ZTHD. Much more akin to apples-to-apples regarding features & components(ZT-3200 trannies) when comparing to the Pioneer. Now if the trannies were the most important feature to you, you would have to get the Gravely Pro-Turn 100XDZ(has the ZT-3400). That, in a 60"(with the Kawa option) would run about $7,999 plus tax so you faired much better(price-wise) with the Pioneer. Of course the Gravely would have had an X-Factor lifetime warranty 7 gauge deck, cast iron spindles and other commercial quality upgrades from the Pioneer. Shopping ZTR's is NOT easy(and I think we will both agree on that:0)
djdicetn
I went with the 60 inch Pioneer S-Series at 6900. I was looking at the Gravely ZTHD 60 inch and the Bad Boy 60 inch. The Exmark runs 1000 to 1800 more depending on where you look. Both Gravely and BB had lesser engine hp, little lesser Hydro (3100 vs 3400), slightly less torque, smaller tire base (20 vs the 23 on the pioneer) and 1 less year on mower warranty. Some other differences. All told, I feel more for the money overall to last a very long time. Finally, to me the BB an Gravely felt boxy to me compare the the Pioneer. Stayed with those 3 as they were all sold local and I wanted to be close to service, accessories, part if needed.
For that price, you should have been comparing the Gravely Pro-Turn instead of the ZTHD. Much more akin to apples-to-apples regarding features & components(ZT-3200 trannies) when comparing to the Pioneer. Now if the trannies were the most important feature to you, you would have to get the Gravely Pro-Turn 100XDZ(has the ZT-3400). That, in a 60"(with the Kawa option) would run about $7,999 plus tax so you faired much better(price-wise) with the Pioneer. Of course the Gravely would have had an X-Factor lifetime warranty 7 gauge deck, cast iron spindles and other commercial quality upgrades from the Pioneer. Shopping ZTR's is NOT easy(and I think we will both agree on that:0)
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poolecw
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poolecw
Thanks for the info on the Pioneer. I plan on giving it a serious look. My top list has changed a bit. I hope to get out and check them out this weekend. Lucky for me, I'm near Chattanooga and there's dealers for all the major manufacturers.
Toro Z master 2000
Toro Z master 3000 (will check price difference from the 2000)
Exmark Pioneer S series
Scag Freedom
With all of these, I would opt for the Kawasaki FX engine if possible.
Toro Z master 2000
Toro Z master 3000 (will check price difference from the 2000)
Exmark Pioneer S series
Scag Freedom
With all of these, I would opt for the Kawasaki FX engine if possible.
#26
Vanousb
Vanousb
Definitely put in time researching, comparing, riding, and seeking opinions. Lot of great people Had top end of my budget at 7000. I agree there were some other brands that were more commercial that match up to Pioneer. Staying on budget left the next level out them of my range as I wanted new and not used. Plan to get lots of years out of this investment.
#27
Carscw
This is why I do not use nice new mowers.
But this is good money $150 for a hour and a half
Carscw
Watch out Carscw.....you get that Grandstand and you wouldn't want to mow yards with any of your other mowers(just ask user Ric:0)
This is why I do not use nice new mowers.
But this is good money $150 for a hour and a half
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Al I can say is...WOW!
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This is why I do not use nice new mowers.
But this is good money $150 for a hour and a half
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Al I can say is...WOW!
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djdicetn
djdicetn
That's a very good "short list"!!!!!Thanks for the info on the Pioneer. I plan on giving it a serious look. My top list has changed a bit. I hope to get out and check them out this weekend. Lucky for me, I'm near Chattanooga and there's dealers for all the major manufacturers.
Toro Z master 2000
Toro Z master 3000 (will check price difference from the 2000)
Exmark Pioneer S series
Scag Freedom
With all of these, I would opt for the Kawasaki FX engine if possible.
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poolecw
Thanks...I may scratch off the Scag Freedom based on the engine being not as good as the others. I will still visit the dealer in chattanooga tomorrow.
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poolecw
That's a very good "short list"!!!!!
Thanks...I may scratch off the Scag Freedom based on the engine being not as good as the others. I will still visit the dealer in chattanooga tomorrow.
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poolecw
Not considering Hustler...don't have a local dealer
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poolecw
What about the 2014 hustler fasttrak super duty 60" 23.5 kaw msrp $7099
Not considering Hustler...don't have a local dealer
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Vanousb
Vanousb
Same reason I ruled out a number of known brands. Let us know how the weekend mower search goes.
#34
Ric
Ya know Djdicetn I don't know how to take that statement, although true the Toro Grandstand is more maneuverable, faster and more productive than any ZTR than you could possibly buy and the Turbo Force deck regardless of what mower it's attached to is one of the best cutting decks on the market. There are many advantages to the stander over a ztr and your right, you get that Grandstand and you wont want to mow yards with any of your other mowers.
Ric
Watch out Carscw.....you get that Grandstand and you wouldn't want to mow yards with any of your other mowers(just ask user Ric:0)
Ya know Djdicetn I don't know how to take that statement, although true the Toro Grandstand is more maneuverable, faster and more productive than any ZTR than you could possibly buy and the Turbo Force deck regardless of what mower it's attached to is one of the best cutting decks on the market. There are many advantages to the stander over a ztr and your right, you get that Grandstand and you wont want to mow yards with any of your other mowers.
#35
djdicetn
I meant it with the very best of intentions!!! I believe you always shoot straight with your advice and have convinced me that standers(including the Grandstand) are serious contenders with any ZTR and really more versatile. If I weren't physically challenged from being a polio survivor I would seriously consider buying a Grandstand myself. I do, however have a "standing zero turn" device.....a Segway, that my wife bought me for Christmas in 2004. That Segway has "changed my life" and made me mobile again!!!
djdicetn
Ya know Djdicetn I don't know how to take that statement, although true the Toro Grandstand is more maneuverable, faster and more productive than any ZTR than you could possibly buy and the Turbo Force deck regardless of what mower it's attached to is one of the best cutting decks on the market. There are many advantages to the stander over a ztr and your right, you get that Grandstand and you wont want to mow yards with any of your other mowers.
I meant it with the very best of intentions!!! I believe you always shoot straight with your advice and have convinced me that standers(including the Grandstand) are serious contenders with any ZTR and really more versatile. If I weren't physically challenged from being a polio survivor I would seriously consider buying a Grandstand myself. I do, however have a "standing zero turn" device.....a Segway, that my wife bought me for Christmas in 2004. That Segway has "changed my life" and made me mobile again!!!
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Last year I went the ZTR way, I got a Toro 3000 and Love it, the Deck is Built like a Tank, I don't think there would be any way to hit something hard enough to bend it, I am up to 90 Hrs. on it now, I had to go with a 52 in cut because of some of the place I have to get, our yard is about 4 ac. counting a Neighbors Place that I get paid to cut the same time I cut my grass, This Toro 3000 took the place of 2 ridding mowers, we had a JD -LT 445 with a 60 in. cut and a JD - LT 166 with a 46 in cut, This Toro replaced both of these, takes me 3 hours with all the Trimming, if I were not for all the tight places that I have to get I would have gone with a 60 inch cut,
PS: The Toro Guarantee on this 3000 is 1200 Hrs. for home owner use,
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PS: The Toro Guarantee on this 3000 is 1200 Hrs. for home owner use,
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Well guys, I got up early Saturday morning and headed up to Tenn to visit some dealers. First stop was the Exmark dealer in Cleveland, TN. I went there specifically to look at the Pioneer S Series. They only had one, which happened to be the 60" which I was looking for. Sticker price was $7,399. The sales guy immediately told me there was a $500 factory rebate (of course I already knew about the rebate). The mower was perfect. The Series 4 tank was very impressive and mower fit like a glove when I sat on it.
I next went to the Toro dealer also in Cleveland, TN. They ended up being closed, so I headed back to the Exmark dealer with plans on buying the Pioneer. Once back at the dealer, I started talking business with the salesman. I could not get him to budge one penny beyond the $500 rebate. I mentioned that the Exmark website is promoting an upgraded full suspension seat in addition to the $500 rebate. The sales man would not honor it. He said the seat would be a factory installed upgrade but if I wanted the better seat, he would be glad to sell me one that he has in stock (blood is starting to boil at this point). I then ask him about sales tax, since I am a Georgia resident. I agreed to not collect Tenn sales tax. (this is a very common practice for various type dealers do for Georgia residents). He said the only thing he would have to do would be to show on paper only that he would be delivering the mower to me in Georgia. He then proceeds to tell me that he would have to charge me a delivery fee of $150. I ask him if he is serious and he says yes. So I ask him if he thinks its a good business practice to charge a potential customer for a service that he really isn't going to provide. He would not waive it.
Talk about freaking ridiculous! So I get up, tell the guy what I think, and leave. Its a shame because I really liked that mower. There isn't another dealer nearby. So unfortunately, Exmark may have to be off my list. I will visit the Toro dealer this weekend and hope that I like the 3000 as much as I liked the Pioneer S series mower. I will be calling and talking to the manager at Homestead Lawn and Tractor in Cleveland, TN and let him know how his sales man did everything in his power to prevent me from buying that mower (which has been sitting on the lot for 7 months without being sold.
I next went to the Toro dealer also in Cleveland, TN. They ended up being closed, so I headed back to the Exmark dealer with plans on buying the Pioneer. Once back at the dealer, I started talking business with the salesman. I could not get him to budge one penny beyond the $500 rebate. I mentioned that the Exmark website is promoting an upgraded full suspension seat in addition to the $500 rebate. The sales man would not honor it. He said the seat would be a factory installed upgrade but if I wanted the better seat, he would be glad to sell me one that he has in stock (blood is starting to boil at this point). I then ask him about sales tax, since I am a Georgia resident. I agreed to not collect Tenn sales tax. (this is a very common practice for various type dealers do for Georgia residents). He said the only thing he would have to do would be to show on paper only that he would be delivering the mower to me in Georgia. He then proceeds to tell me that he would have to charge me a delivery fee of $150. I ask him if he is serious and he says yes. So I ask him if he thinks its a good business practice to charge a potential customer for a service that he really isn't going to provide. He would not waive it.
Talk about freaking ridiculous! So I get up, tell the guy what I think, and leave. Its a shame because I really liked that mower. There isn't another dealer nearby. So unfortunately, Exmark may have to be off my list. I will visit the Toro dealer this weekend and hope that I like the 3000 as much as I liked the Pioneer S series mower. I will be calling and talking to the manager at Homestead Lawn and Tractor in Cleveland, TN and let him know how his sales man did everything in his power to prevent me from buying that mower (which has been sitting on the lot for 7 months without being sold.
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poolecw
Do you mind if I ask how much you paid for the Toro 3000?
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poolecw
Last year I went the ZTR way, I got a Toro 3000 and Love it, the Deck is Built like a Tank, I don't think there would be any way to hit something hard enough to bend it, I am up to 90 Hrs. on it now, I had to go with a 52 in cut because of some of the place I have to get, our yard is about 4 ac. counting a Neighbors Place that I get paid to cut the same time I cut my grass, This Toro 3000 took the place of 2 ridding mowers, we had a JD -LT 445 with a 60 in. cut and a JD - LT 166 with a 46 in cut, This Toro replaced both of these, takes me 3 hours with all the Trimming, if I were not for all the tight places that I have to get I would have gone with a 60 inch cut,
PS: The Toro Guarantee on this 3000 is 1200 Hrs. for home owner use,
Rat
Do you mind if I ask how much you paid for the Toro 3000?
#39
Vanousb
Vanousb
Hate that you had a bad sales guy, especially since you found the mower that felt right. I was the opposite. Service and sales was a positive reason for me to go with Pioneer. He is right about the seat rebate though. Only goes with a certain model of the 60 inch cut (has and "SS" at the end of the model number). My dealer offered to get it brought in, but explained the reason it was that model. Has to do with the engine model details and hours guaranteed. I was fine not getting the seat to get the better cv740 engine model (3138 to be exact) with 1800 hour guarantee. I would also contact the dealer manager. Might help. If you really liked the Pioneer (I did) I would also find the next closest dealer. I hope it works out. Best of luck.
#40
Carscw
Man I could have told you not to go to homestead. Been there 3 times and 3 times they pissed me off.
POARCH'S PARTS
703 NEWTOWN LOOP RD NE
CALHOUN, GA 30701
(706) 625-5334
robinpoarch@comcast.net
Not sure what they have in stock.
Carscw
Well guys, I got up early Saturday morning and headed up to Tenn to visit some dealers. First stop was the Exmark dealer in Cleveland, TN. I went there specifically to look at the Pioneer S Series. They only had one, which happened to be the 60" which I was looking for. Sticker price was $7,399. The sales guy immediately told me there was a $500 factory rebate (of course I already knew about the rebate). The mower was perfect. The Series 4 tank was very impressive and mower fit like a glove when I sat on it. I next went to the Toro dealer also in Cleveland, TN. They ended up being closed, so I headed back to the Exmark dealer with plans on buying the Pioneer. Once back at the dealer, I started talking business with the salesman. I could not get him to budge one penny beyond the $500 rebate. I mentioned that the Exmark website is promoting an upgraded full suspension seat in addition to the $500 rebate. The sales man would not honor it. He said the seat would be a factory installed upgrade but if I wanted the better seat, he would be glad to sell me one that he has in stock (blood is starting to boil at this point). I then ask him about sales tax, since I am a Georgia resident. I agreed to not collect Tenn sales tax. (this is a very common practice for various type dealers do for Georgia residents). He said the only thing he would have to do would be to show on paper only that he would be delivering the mower to me in Georgia. He then proceeds to tell me that he would have to charge me a delivery fee of $150. I ask him if he is serious and he says yes. So I ask him if he thinks its a good business practice to charge a potential customer for a service that he really isn't going to provide. He would not waive it. Talk about freaking ridiculous! So I get up, tell the guy what I think, and leave. Its a shame because I really liked that mower. There isn't another dealer nearby. So unfortunately, Exmark may have to be off my list. I will visit the Toro dealer this weekend and hope that I like the 3000 as much as I liked the Pioneer S series mower. I will be calling and talking to the manager at Homestead Lawn and Tractor in Cleveland, TN and let him know how his sales man did everything in his power to prevent me from buying that mower (which has been sitting on the lot for 7 months without being sold.
Man I could have told you not to go to homestead. Been there 3 times and 3 times they pissed me off.
POARCH'S PARTS
703 NEWTOWN LOOP RD NE
CALHOUN, GA 30701
(706) 625-5334
robinpoarch@comcast.net
Not sure what they have in stock.
#41
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poolecw
Well you live and you learn.... I forget the sales guy I dealt with but he was the young skinny dude that looked like he was recovering from a bad case of the whip worms.
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poolecw
Man I could have told you not to go to homestead. Been there 3 times and 3 times they pissed me off.
POARCH'S PARTS
703 NEWTOWN LOOP RD NE
CALHOUN, GA 30701
(706) 625-5334
robinpoarch@comcast.net
Not sure what they have in stock.
Well you live and you learn.... I forget the sales guy I dealt with but he was the young skinny dude that looked like he was recovering from a bad case of the whip worms.
#42
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LoCo86
Have you tried Southern Turf off of the Bonny Oaks exit on 153? They sell Exmark mowers. I'd hate to see you give up on a good product for a terrible dealer.
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LoCo86
Well guys, I got up early Saturday morning and headed up to Tenn to visit some dealers. First stop was the Exmark dealer in Cleveland, TN. I went there specifically to look at the Pioneer S Series. They only had one, which happened to be the 60" which I was looking for. Sticker price was $7,399. The sales guy immediately told me there was a $500 factory rebate (of course I already knew about the rebate). The mower was perfect. The Series 4 tank was very impressive and mower fit like a glove when I sat on it. I next went to the Toro dealer also in Cleveland, TN. They ended up being closed, so I headed back to the Exmark dealer with plans on buying the Pioneer. Once back at the dealer, I started talking business with the salesman. I could not get him to budge one penny beyond the $500 rebate. I mentioned that the Exmark website is promoting an upgraded full suspension seat in addition to the $500 rebate. The sales man would not honor it. He said the seat would be a factory installed upgrade but if I wanted the better seat, he would be glad to sell me one that he has in stock (blood is starting to boil at this point). I then ask him about sales tax, since I am a Georgia resident. I agreed to not collect Tenn sales tax. (this is a very common practice for various type dealers do for Georgia residents). He said the only thing he would have to do would be to show on paper only that he would be delivering the mower to me in Georgia. He then proceeds to tell me that he would have to charge me a delivery fee of $150. I ask him if he is serious and he says yes. So I ask him if he thinks its a good business practice to charge a potential customer for a service that he really isn't going to provide. He would not waive it. Talk about freaking ridiculous! So I get up, tell the guy what I think, and leave. Its a shame because I really liked that mower. There isn't another dealer nearby. So unfortunately, Exmark may have to be off my list. I will visit the Toro dealer this weekend and hope that I like the 3000 as much as I liked the Pioneer S series mower. I will be calling and talking to the manager at Homestead Lawn and Tractor in Cleveland, TN and let him know how his sales man did everything in his power to prevent me from buying that mower (which has been sitting on the lot for 7 months without being sold.
Have you tried Southern Turf off of the Bonny Oaks exit on 153? They sell Exmark mowers. I'd hate to see you give up on a good product for a terrible dealer.
#43
Carscw
Southern turf is a good place.
Forgot all about them.
Carscw
Have you tried Southern Turf off of the Bonny Oaks exit on 153? They sell Exmark mowers. I'd hate to see you give up on a good product for a terrible dealer.
Southern turf is a good place.
Forgot all about them.
#44
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poolecw
Southern Turf wasn't listed on Exmark's website. I googled them and sure enough, it they sell Exmark. I have to go right by there next Friday, so I will stop in and see what they have!
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poolecw
Have you tried Southern Turf off of the Bonny Oaks exit on 153? They sell Exmark mowers. I'd hate to see you give up on a good product for a terrible dealer.
Southern Turf wasn't listed on Exmark's website. I googled them and sure enough, it they sell Exmark. I have to go right by there next Friday, so I will stop in and see what they have!
#45
Carscw
I don't know how the salesmen are but the lady's that work in parts are very nice.
I went in for a part for my snapper they did not have it but had the same part for a scag. She sold it to me for the snapper price that was $18 cheaper.
Carscw
Southern Turf wasn't listed on Exmark's website. I googled them and sure enough, it they sell Exmark. I have to go right by there next Friday, so I will stop in and see what they have!
I don't know how the salesmen are but the lady's that work in parts are very nice.
I went in for a part for my snapper they did not have it but had the same part for a scag. She sold it to me for the snapper price that was $18 cheaper.
#46
Vanousb
Vanousb
Heres to hoping the sales experience goes better for you. Like some others have said...one you find what feels right, hate to see it ruined by bad salesman experience. Its was mojor purchase in my world and my dealer treated it as such where local bad boy dealer did not. Like i said before, i feel the mower i got offered me more of a top of the line feeling out of all i rode i am totally happy with it. Let us know how it turns out.
#47
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poolecw
I called them this morning and they are not an Exmark dealer. Back to square one...
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poolecw
Have you tried Southern Turf off of the Bonny Oaks exit on 153? They sell Exmark mowers. I'd hate to see you give up on a good product for a terrible dealer.
I called them this morning and they are not an Exmark dealer. Back to square one...
#48
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LoCo86
What did they say they deal with now. Last time I was there they had a showroom and everything for exmark. And that was earlier this year.
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LoCo86
I called them this morning and they are not an Exmark dealer. Back to square one...
What did they say they deal with now. Last time I was there they had a showroom and everything for exmark. And that was earlier this year.
#49
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poolecw
Snapper pro and ferris... Don't know much about Ferris.
Dont know why anyone would to stop being a dealer for Exmark. That's all I see commercial guys using around here.
I still may stop in there on Friday when I'm already going to be near the area.
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poolecw
What did they say they deal with now. Last time I was there they had a showroom and everything for exmark. And that was earlier this year.
Snapper pro and ferris... Don't know much about Ferris.
Dont know why anyone would to stop being a dealer for Exmark. That's all I see commercial guys using around here.
I still may stop in there on Friday when I'm already going to be near the area.
#50
Kwelhand
I have SCAG Freedom 48" with Kawasaki engine.
Love the low sitting position and build quality.
It cuts just as nice as my neighbor's Exmark E series.
However, EXmark E series and TORO 2000 are also excellent choice.
My local dealer has TORO 2000 for $7k plus tax.
You might also consider a used Exmark S or X series from your local Craigslist.
They usually have extremely low hour unit for your price range.
Good luck!
Kwelhand
I have SCAG Freedom 48" with Kawasaki engine.
Love the low sitting position and build quality.
It cuts just as nice as my neighbor's Exmark E series.
However, EXmark E series and TORO 2000 are also excellent choice.
My local dealer has TORO 2000 for $7k plus tax.
You might also consider a used Exmark S or X series from your local Craigslist.
They usually have extremely low hour unit for your price range.
Good luck!
#51
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poolecw
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poolecw
Thanks for the info on the Scag Freedom. I did look at it and it is in the running. However, I'm in North Georgia, surrounded by obnoxious Tenn Vol fans. I don't think I could bring myself to riding around on an orange mower. People might get the wrong idea. :laughing:
By the way, my brother in law bought a Toro 2000 for $6500 out the door a couple weeks ago..
By the way, my brother in law bought a Toro 2000 for $6500 out the door a couple weeks ago..
I have SCAG Freedom 48" with Kawasaki engine.
Love the low sitting position and build quality.
It cuts just as nice as my neighbor's Exmark E series.
However, EXmark E series and TORO 2000 are also excellent choice.
My local dealer has TORO 2000 for $7k plus tax.
You might also consider a used Exmark S or X series from your local Craigslist.
They usually have extremely low hour unit for your price range.
Good luck!
#52
Kwelhand
Kwelhand
I was about to blow $9K on Exmark S-series and found a used SCAG Freedom Z w/ 90hrs & Kawasaki engine for $2800 off the Craigslist.
Damn thing was near new condition and saved me from that 48mts finance jail.
Try this 2013 Exmark S-series w/ EFI engine.
The guy offered me $7K but I declined it... may go less.
Still has warranty and all.
I saw the same machine at Howard Bothers for $10K+
2013 Exmark Lazer Z 52" S-Series
Damn thing was near new condition and saved me from that 48mts finance jail.
Try this 2013 Exmark S-series w/ EFI engine.
The guy offered me $7K but I declined it... may go less.
Still has warranty and all.
I saw the same machine at Howard Bothers for $10K+
2013 Exmark Lazer Z 52" S-Series
Thanks for the info on the Scag Freedom. I did look at it and it is in the running. However, I'm in North Georgia, surrounded by obnoxious Tenn Vol fans. I don't think I could bring myself to riding around on an orange mower. People might get the wrong idea. :laughing:
By the way, my brother in law bought a Toro 2000 for $6500 out the door a couple weeks ago..
#53
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captain ron
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captain ron
I'm working within the same budget and have narrowed it down to a similar top list, and almost have a similar post going here:
http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/mower...s700-exmark-pioneer-s-snapper-pro-sx150t.html
I've removed the Gravely from the list mainly because of the warranty and the lack of "good" dealers in my area.
If you haven't looked at the Snapper Pro 150xt, its a really nice machine. The dealer told me basically they are made by Ferris, so much so many of the parts are interchangeable. The comparable Ferris in your range is the IS700z, claim to fame is the suspension, it was alright but I think its better on the pricier versions. The Snapper PRO has a Kawasaki FX engine, 5400 series Hydro (found on the top of the line Gravely and Scag mowers) and 23 inch tires. The ride felt really good overall, looks to be very well built
I'm hoping to get to the Toro dealer and Exmark dealer this weekend to test drive.
The best I've seen on the Toro Zmaster 2000 52" deck is $6399 (pre-tax) and Toro Zmaster 3000 52" inch deck is $7399 (pre-tax). The 3000 series comes with a 5 year warranty on the machine, where as the 2000 series has a 4 year warranty. You can also tell the 2014 models (from what I was told) is that they now have dark gray wheels vs bright white like the Exmark.
I've test drove the Pioneer S-Series with the 52" inch Kaw. Nice machine $6150 (pre-tax) with the $500 off rebate they have. They have the 60" inch coming in with that suspension seat model, so hoping its there today. They told me $6,999 (pre-tax) on it. This dealer said they have been selling that model like crazy with the 60" ultracut 4 deck and SS seat on it. The only thing I wasn't sure of was the Kohler engine that comes on it ZT740 engine, which I couldn't find much on it.
http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/mower...s700-exmark-pioneer-s-snapper-pro-sx150t.html
I've removed the Gravely from the list mainly because of the warranty and the lack of "good" dealers in my area.
If you haven't looked at the Snapper Pro 150xt, its a really nice machine. The dealer told me basically they are made by Ferris, so much so many of the parts are interchangeable. The comparable Ferris in your range is the IS700z, claim to fame is the suspension, it was alright but I think its better on the pricier versions. The Snapper PRO has a Kawasaki FX engine, 5400 series Hydro (found on the top of the line Gravely and Scag mowers) and 23 inch tires. The ride felt really good overall, looks to be very well built
I'm hoping to get to the Toro dealer and Exmark dealer this weekend to test drive.
The best I've seen on the Toro Zmaster 2000 52" deck is $6399 (pre-tax) and Toro Zmaster 3000 52" inch deck is $7399 (pre-tax). The 3000 series comes with a 5 year warranty on the machine, where as the 2000 series has a 4 year warranty. You can also tell the 2014 models (from what I was told) is that they now have dark gray wheels vs bright white like the Exmark.
I've test drove the Pioneer S-Series with the 52" inch Kaw. Nice machine $6150 (pre-tax) with the $500 off rebate they have. They have the 60" inch coming in with that suspension seat model, so hoping its there today. They told me $6,999 (pre-tax) on it. This dealer said they have been selling that model like crazy with the 60" ultracut 4 deck and SS seat on it. The only thing I wasn't sure of was the Kohler engine that comes on it ZT740 engine, which I couldn't find much on it.
#54
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poolecw
Thanks for the info on the mowers. The Exmark dealer that I visited had a sticker price of $7399 on the 60" Pioneer S series with the Kohler engine. Like you, I don't know how I feel about the Kohler engines. But in regard to Kohlers, my neighbor bought an older Exmark (don't remember which model but it was an upper level commercial) from a guy who ran it in his yard business for about 5 years. I believe it is an 2004 or 2005 model. It has a Kohler engine and has been flawless, even with the high hours it has on it.
I haven't talked to the Toro dealer but my brother in law bought a 60" 2000 for $6500 a couple weeks ago. It seems like a very solid machine and he is in love with it. I'm going to talk to the same dealer to see what I can get a 3000 for. I have to one up the brother in law. If the 3000 is outside of my range, I can always fall back to the 2000.
I think I would prefer the Exmark Pioneer over the Toro 2000, but I had a bad experience at the Exmark dealer a couple weeks ago. I wrote the sales manager this week about the ordeal and he left a message asking me to call him back. I'm still debating whether to call or just go on with life.
One thing I just noticed, the $500 factory rebate that Toro and Exmark had was to run out today (5/31/14). However, I just noticed that its been extended through June 31. So, don't feel rushed to make a decision.
As for Ferris and Snapper, we do have a local dealer. However, I'm not excited about either. The suspension of the Ferris looks more like a gimmick and I've had people tell me as much. its going to be either Toro or Exmark for me. If you look on professionals' trailers, 9 out of 10 are using either Exmark or Toro's. The other 1 out of 10 usually has a Scag.
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poolecw
I'm working within the same budget and have narrowed it down to a similar top list, and almost have a similar post going here:
http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/mower...s700-exmark-pioneer-s-snapper-pro-sx150t.html
I've removed the Gravely from the list mainly because of the warranty and the lack of "good" dealers in my area.
If you haven't looked at the Snapper Pro 150xt, its a really nice machine. The dealer told me basically they are made by Ferris, so much so many of the parts are interchangeable. The comparable Ferris in your range is the IS700z, claim to fame is the suspension, it was alright but I think its better on the pricier versions. The Snapper PRO has a Kawasaki FX engine, 5400 series Hydro (found on the top of the line Gravely and Scag mowers) and 23 inch tires. The ride felt really good overall, looks to be very well built
I'm hoping to get to the Toro dealer and Exmark dealer this weekend to test drive.
The best I've seen on the Toro Zmaster 2000 52" deck is $6399 (pre-tax) and Toro Zmaster 3000 52" inch deck is $7399 (pre-tax). The 3000 series comes with a 5 year warranty on the machine, where as the 2000 series has a 4 year warranty. You can also tell the 2014 models (from what I was told) is that they now have dark gray wheels vs bright white like the Exmark.
I've test drove the Pioneer S-Series with the 52" inch Kaw. Nice machine $6150 (pre-tax) with the $500 off rebate they have. They have the 60" inch coming in with that suspension seat model, so hoping its there today. They told me $6,999 (pre-tax) on it. This dealer said they have been selling that model like crazy with the 60" ultracut 4 deck and SS seat on it. The only thing I wasn't sure of was the Kohler engine that comes on it ZT740 engine, which I couldn't find much on it.
Thanks for the info on the mowers. The Exmark dealer that I visited had a sticker price of $7399 on the 60" Pioneer S series with the Kohler engine. Like you, I don't know how I feel about the Kohler engines. But in regard to Kohlers, my neighbor bought an older Exmark (don't remember which model but it was an upper level commercial) from a guy who ran it in his yard business for about 5 years. I believe it is an 2004 or 2005 model. It has a Kohler engine and has been flawless, even with the high hours it has on it.
I haven't talked to the Toro dealer but my brother in law bought a 60" 2000 for $6500 a couple weeks ago. It seems like a very solid machine and he is in love with it. I'm going to talk to the same dealer to see what I can get a 3000 for. I have to one up the brother in law. If the 3000 is outside of my range, I can always fall back to the 2000.
I think I would prefer the Exmark Pioneer over the Toro 2000, but I had a bad experience at the Exmark dealer a couple weeks ago. I wrote the sales manager this week about the ordeal and he left a message asking me to call him back. I'm still debating whether to call or just go on with life.
One thing I just noticed, the $500 factory rebate that Toro and Exmark had was to run out today (5/31/14). However, I just noticed that its been extended through June 31. So, don't feel rushed to make a decision.
As for Ferris and Snapper, we do have a local dealer. However, I'm not excited about either. The suspension of the Ferris looks more like a gimmick and I've had people tell me as much. its going to be either Toro or Exmark for me. If you look on professionals' trailers, 9 out of 10 are using either Exmark or Toro's. The other 1 out of 10 usually has a Scag.
#55
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captain ron
If I could get the deal I would really like to have the Toro 3000, but its at the very top end, and really exceeds the budget by 1k. I think I'm leaning towards the 2000 if I don't go that way, mostly because of the engine. The Toro dealer also told me they extended the half off suspension seat, so I'm thinking I could push to get out with the seat + tax for right at 8k on 3000 series. That gives you the 5 year warranty, the parker hyrdros, and Kaw FX engine, and the 3000 has much improved gauges over the 2000 model. Overall I'm sure the Exmark or Toro will be great choices.
On the Exmark, by the Kohler site its a new engine type, which doesn't give me the warm fuzzy. The dealer told me it only has a 2 year warranty.
Kohler Engines: ZT740: Confidant: Product Detail: Engines
If it worked I found a list price Toro online, and it shows the discounted rate that Kansas gets them at, so I been using it as a basis for a good deal. The screen shot of that is below. Good luck!
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captain ron
Thanks for the info on the mowers. The Exmark dealer that I visited had a sticker price of $7399 on the 60" Pioneer S series with the Kohler engine. Like you, I don't know how I feel about the Kohler engines. But in regard to Kohlers, my neighbor bought an older Exmark (don't remember which model but it was an upper level commercial) from a guy who ran it in his yard business for about 5 years. I believe it is an 2004 or 2005 model. It has a Kohler engine and has been flawless, even with the high hours it has on it.
I haven't talked to the Toro dealer but my brother in law bought a 60" 2000 for $6500 a couple weeks ago. It seems like a very solid machine and he is in love with it. I'm going to talk to the same dealer to see what I can get a 3000 for. I have to one up the brother in law. If the 3000 is outside of my range, I can always fall back to the 2000.
I think I would prefer the Exmark Pioneer over the Toro 2000, but I had a bad experience at the Exmark dealer a couple weeks ago. I wrote the sales manager this week about the ordeal and he left a message asking me to call him back. I'm still debating whether to call or just go on with life.
One thing I just noticed, the $500 factory rebate that Toro and Exmark had was to run out today (5/31/14). However, I just noticed that its been extended through June 31. So, don't feel rushed to make a decision.
As for Ferris and Snapper, we do have a local dealer. However, I'm not excited about either. The suspension of the Ferris looks more like a gimmick and I've had people tell me as much. its going to be either Toro or Exmark for me. If you look on professionals' trailers, 9 out of 10 are using either Exmark or Toro's. The other 1 out of 10 usually has a Scag.
If I could get the deal I would really like to have the Toro 3000, but its at the very top end, and really exceeds the budget by 1k. I think I'm leaning towards the 2000 if I don't go that way, mostly because of the engine. The Toro dealer also told me they extended the half off suspension seat, so I'm thinking I could push to get out with the seat + tax for right at 8k on 3000 series. That gives you the 5 year warranty, the parker hyrdros, and Kaw FX engine, and the 3000 has much improved gauges over the 2000 model. Overall I'm sure the Exmark or Toro will be great choices.
On the Exmark, by the Kohler site its a new engine type, which doesn't give me the warm fuzzy. The dealer told me it only has a 2 year warranty.
Kohler Engines: ZT740: Confidant: Product Detail: Engines
If it worked I found a list price Toro online, and it shows the discounted rate that Kansas gets them at, so I been using it as a basis for a good deal. The screen shot of that is below. Good luck!
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#56
Vanousb
Vanousb
After reading your earlier post, I talked with my dealer regarding model. Mine is the 2013 model. He feels (assures me) the CV740-3138 27hp I got was the better of the engines regardless compared to the 2014 model engine. He actually bought more to stock his store with. I have mowed about 6 times now and I am more and more pleased with my buy of the S-Series. Particularly like (am impressed with) the very tight turning and great traction I get. Another plus in my opinion. Also finding the quick clean up from the pull of spindle covers very convenient. I am still in the blow it off, spray it off, wipe it down stage. haha. Wonder if you could haggle for a Pioneer S 2013 model at a lower price? I would call the manager back. Glad he did a returned to you. I am sure Torros are fine mowers as well. Sure you will not go wrong with either. Keep us updated. I am finding my interest in mowers has increased as I read more. haha:laughing:
#57
djdicetn
Even though Toro makes the ExMark too, the Z-Master is a pay-grade above the ExMark Pioneer. I almost pulled the trigger in Fall 2012 on a Z-Master 2000 myself but the Gravely was a better deal. If I could have afforded the 2012 Z-Master 3000 that's what I would own right now. But at $6,800 OTD I am VERY happy with my Pro-Turn 100XDZ!!!
djdicetn
Thanks for the info on the mowers. The Exmark dealer that I visited had a sticker price of $7399 on the 60" Pioneer S series with the Kohler engine. Like you, I don't know how I feel about the Kohler engines. But in regard to Kohlers, my neighbor bought an older Exmark (don't remember which model but it was an upper level commercial) from a guy who ran it in his yard business for about 5 years. I believe it is an 2004 or 2005 model. It has a Kohler engine and has been flawless, even with the high hours it has on it.
I haven't talked to the Toro dealer but my brother in law bought a 60" 2000 for $6500 a couple weeks ago. It seems like a very solid machine and he is in love with it. I'm going to talk to the same dealer to see what I can get a 3000 for. I have to one up the brother in law. If the 3000 is outside of my range, I can always fall back to the 2000.
I think I would prefer the Exmark Pioneer over the Toro 2000, but I had a bad experience at the Exmark dealer a couple weeks ago. I wrote the sales manager this week about the ordeal and he left a message asking me to call him back. I'm still debating whether to call or just go on with life.
One thing I just noticed, the $500 factory rebate that Toro and Exmark had was to run out today (5/31/14). However, I just noticed that its been extended through June 31. So, don't feel rushed to make a decision.
As for Ferris and Snapper, we do have a local dealer. However, I'm not excited about either. The suspension of the Ferris looks more like a gimmick and I've had people tell me as much. its going to be either Toro or Exmark for me. If you look on professionals' trailers, 9 out of 10 are using either Exmark or Toro's. The other 1 out of 10 usually has a Scag.
Even though Toro makes the ExMark too, the Z-Master is a pay-grade above the ExMark Pioneer. I almost pulled the trigger in Fall 2012 on a Z-Master 2000 myself but the Gravely was a better deal. If I could have afforded the 2012 Z-Master 3000 that's what I would own right now. But at $6,800 OTD I am VERY happy with my Pro-Turn 100XDZ!!!
#58
chemingthroughtheleather
chemingthroughtheleather
You are keeping us in suspense! Have you gotten anything yet?!
#59
Vanousb
Sounds like the Z-Master is toro version of the exmark lazer series. The lazer is the step up from pioneer. Like djdicetn with the thought of the upscale, i would have gotten the lazer, but for the cost and features i got, i was very happy with my pioneer s.
Vanousb
Even though Toro makes the ExMark too, the Z-Master is a pay-grade above the ExMark Pioneer. I almost pulled the trigger in Fall 2012 on a Z-Master 2000 myself but the Gravely was a better deal. If I could have afforded the 2012 Z-Master 3000 that's what I would own right now. But at $6,800 OTD I am VERY happy with my Pro-Turn 100XDZ!!!
Sounds like the Z-Master is toro version of the exmark lazer series. The lazer is the step up from pioneer. Like djdicetn with the thought of the upscale, i would have gotten the lazer, but for the cost and features i got, i was very happy with my pioneer s.
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chemingthroughtheleather
chemingthroughtheleather
Good to see a fellow Ky guy here.I'm originally from Hoptown.
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Husqvarna MZ61 (61") 24HP Kawasaki Zero Turn Mower (2014 Model) can be bought online for $5199.00 - if you like orange.
#62
Vanousb
Scottsville, just south of bowling green. Drove through uptown for 2 years every weekend dating my wife. Lived in Murray at the time.
Vanousb
Good to see a fellow Ky guy here.I'm originally from Hoptown.
Scottsville, just south of bowling green. Drove through uptown for 2 years every weekend dating my wife. Lived in Murray at the time.
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djdicetn
djdicetn
Yep, when it comes to high-end residential ZTR's with commercial quality components you did very well. I would be "torn" if I had to decide between a Toro Titan MX or that Exmark Pioneer.Sounds like the Z-Master is toro version of the exmark lazer series. The lazer is the step up from pioneer. Like djdicetn with the thought of the upscale, i would have gotten the lazer, but for the cost and features i got, i was very happy with my pioneer s.
#64
Vanousb
Thanks. Feel very happy with my Pioneer. Been about 3 weeks now and I continue to be impressed. Sure other top ends have impressed their owners as well.
Vanousb
Yep, when it comes to high-end residential ZTR's with commercial quality components you did very well. I would be "torn" if I had to decide between a Toro Titan MX or that Exmark Pioneer.
Thanks. Feel very happy with my Pioneer. Been about 3 weeks now and I continue to be impressed. Sure other top ends have impressed their owners as well.
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poolecw
LOL, sorry about the lack of posts these last couple of weeks. Since the bad run in at the Exmark dealership, I've stopped and re-evaluated things. I think I may hold off from buying anything until next spring. Even though my current mower is very slow, mechanically there is nothing wrong with it. It just doesn't make sense at this point. (believe me though, I am running the devil out of it :wink
My top three are still the Pioneer S series, Toro 2000, and Toro 3000. I have a feeling that the Toro 3000 would be above my price range of $7k. However, my brother in law (that just bought the 2000) has a buddy that is friends with a nearby Toro dealer. He throws business his way all the time and the guy gives them good prices. So, my next step would be to talk to this dealer and get the price on the 3000. Of course, I would have my bro in law's buddy grease the wheels first.
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poolecw
You are keeping us in suspense! Have you gotten anything yet?!
LOL, sorry about the lack of posts these last couple of weeks. Since the bad run in at the Exmark dealership, I've stopped and re-evaluated things. I think I may hold off from buying anything until next spring. Even though my current mower is very slow, mechanically there is nothing wrong with it. It just doesn't make sense at this point. (believe me though, I am running the devil out of it :wink
My top three are still the Pioneer S series, Toro 2000, and Toro 3000. I have a feeling that the Toro 3000 would be above my price range of $7k. However, my brother in law (that just bought the 2000) has a buddy that is friends with a nearby Toro dealer. He throws business his way all the time and the guy gives them good prices. So, my next step would be to talk to this dealer and get the price on the 3000. Of course, I would have my bro in law's buddy grease the wheels first.
#66
Vanousb
Vanousb
You might consider looking in fall and winter for dealers willing to give off season pricing. Just a thought to get a deal on any of those top three you have listed.
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djdicetn
Took the words right outa my mouth:0)
I saved over $1,300 on my 2012 Gravely buying in late September over the MSRP plus tax for a 2013. Fall/early Winter is definitely a buyer's market!!! The only problem is the dealer has to have what you are interested in stock(if they have to order it they won't give as deep of a discount).
djdicetn
You might consider looking in fall and winter for dealers willing to give off season pricing. Just a thought to get a deal on any of those top three you have listed.
Took the words right outa my mouth:0)
I saved over $1,300 on my 2012 Gravely buying in late September over the MSRP plus tax for a 2013. Fall/early Winter is definitely a buyer's market!!! The only problem is the dealer has to have what you are interested in stock(if they have to order it they won't give as deep of a discount).
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Ms Redneck
I love my EXMARK's. We have a 52" and a 48" and have been using them for over 8 years now. Can't go wrong.
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Ms Redneck
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000?
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
I love my EXMARK's. We have a 52" and a 48" and have been using them for over 8 years now. Can't go wrong.
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rockmedows
I would probably buy a lg 2nd hand scag, or toro,,,,,,, I use a 52" scag walk behind that cuts at7.4mph and a 52" country clipper zero turn tha cuts at 8 mph..........or an atv w a pull behind 60"
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rockmedows
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000?
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
I would probably buy a lg 2nd hand scag, or toro,,,,,,, I use a 52" scag walk behind that cuts at7.4mph and a 52" country clipper zero turn tha cuts at 8 mph..........or an atv w a pull behind 60"
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j-ddowd@juno.com
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j-ddowd@juno.com
Hands Down, a Ferris (Briggs & Stratton) 3 wheel mower. It is easier to operate, can mow under trees and bushes, is super easy to work on and you will not get to be a good operator of a zero turn unless you use it almost every day(like a landscaper). Fyi, if you don't live near central NY, you may have to look at other brands of front mounted mowing decks. They are the best!
Ok guys, I'm sure you get tired of the "recommend me..." threads. However, here is another one! LOL. I am tired of spending +5 hours per week cutting grass with my 48" Craftsman. I've got 3 to 4 acres that I cut. The two most important factors for me right now are deck durability and engine. Most mower manufacturers all use the same engines, so it really comes down to the deck and the construction of the actual mower. I am looking for a 60" low to mid commercial grade zero turn. My brother in law just bought a Toro Z 2000 with a 23.5 hp (Briggs I think) for around $6500. Seems like a well built machine. Can you guys recommend me something for around $7,000?
If I gave you $7,000 to spend all on a mower, what would you get???
#71
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cphilip
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cphilip
I'm a large property owner with about 5 acres in lawn to mow, lots of trees, rather rough terrain... and i'm loving this Toro Titan MX5400 I bought a couple months back. They make a 60" deck too in this MX line. It was sub $6000. I mow that area in just about 2 hours and 15 minutes. The suspension seat is the key to some of that. Rough terrain and good suspension allows you to go full out as much as possible while still keeping you fillings in your teeth and your kidneys attached to the back wall of your body. This MX seat is wonderful. And the deck doesn't scalp either. So I am sure the higher model your considering is at least as good if not better. Happy with Toro. Happy with the MX. Should have gotten one long ago.