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Hi all,
I recently removed the side cover (sump cover?) on the engine of my atco qualcast suffolk punch 35s mower. But stupidly, I forgot to put any timing marks on the gears. as far as I can see only one gear (the main one) has a timing mark but even that is not actually on the gear it is on the drive shaft. the other gear has a hole drilled in it but I don't know whether this has anything to do with timing? Is there anything I do to rectify the timing, or is trial-and-error my best bet?

thanks

You will have to rely on the members over on your side of the ocean. US has no Suffolk-punch-anything here... Sorry.

There will be a mark, so look again. or take some photo's and post them up here, should be able to help you out, what part of the UK are you from.

Thanks to you both, will look for marks tomorrow, why do you need to know what part of the UK?

Is the drilled hole atiming mark do you reckon? or is it somw kind of weight dstribution thing?

abelw44 said:

why do you need to know what part of the UK?

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He likes to drive by your house and take pictures for the tabloids...

abelw44 said:

Thanks to you both, will look for marks tomorrow, why do you need to know what part of the UK?

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The only part of England I saw was Heathrow. Yanks like to hear about where you're from, not that we'll ever get there. At any rate, if you can't find the timing marks, just get the piston on Top Dead Center and the Camshaft set without any lobes pushing on the valves. That should get you in the ball park for running! Check for timing marks at or near that point where the cam and crankshaft mesh. Timing marks are usually punch marks, not drilled holes. Good Luck with it.

abelw44 said:

why do you need to know what part of the UK?

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That's simple if you look you will find that I am from the U.K, and if you lived near to me I may have been able to help you out...!

I love it -- there's a mower called "Suffolk Punch". I wish I could help. :ashamed:

Hi all, thanks very much for all the suggestions will give them a try. I would put where I am from (and thanks for the offer of help) but my parents said not to. Top-dead-center, is that just with the piston head right at the very top?

Thanks

here are some images!

abelw44 said:

Hi all, thanks very much for all the suggestions will give them a try. I would put where I am from (and thanks for the offer of help) but my parents said not to. Top-dead-center, is that just with the piston head right at the very top?

Thanks

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I understand about your parents, but as far as I knew, you could've been a 70 year old, pub-crawlin Scottsman from Aberdeen! lol Yes, Top Dead Center is where the piston is at the top most travel in the cylinder. When the piston is in that position and the cam lobe is not against a lifter trying to raise a valve, then where the crank and cam join there should be your timing marks. . Or very close to it. That big drilled hole is not a timing mark in your photo. The timing marks will normally have one in the valley and one on the peak where the two dots would align. Looks more like a dimple made with a punch. From what I could see in your cam photo, it appears to me that the timing mark is around the 2 PM position. If you take the very top tooth at 12 noon position. Count to the right and look at the 7th tooth. That looks like a timing mark to me.

Take a few more photos looking down the shafts, making sure that they are in focus. that is if you not work it out by now. I don't see a mark in any of the photos.

Two-Stroke said:

I love it -- there's a mower called "Suffolk Punch". I wish I could help. :ashamed:

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And there is one called a Suffolk Colt which is the smaller brother of the Punch . Gary :smile:

Thanks for looking but I'm afraid, what you thought was a timing mark was actually only a speck of dirt from my garage floor. :-(
And also, I appreciate that age was not made clear and I didn't mean to sound grumpy by saying why did you need to know.
I also realized today that that the crank case gasket is broken so I've searched the internet but only been able to find a gasket set! Anybody know where I can get just the single gasket? (apart from American websites, as I'd have to import them!). Going back to the timing, I think I'll just have to go with trial and error using the top dead center trick as I cannot see any timing marks.

Thanks to you all

When you say crank case gasket, do you mean item 55 sump gasket, if so that's just a paper gasket that you can make one from gasket paper from any good motor shop.

eBay item number:251202851050 (sump gasket)

I made a valve cover gasket today out of gasket paper. Didn't have time to go to the parts store, so made my own. As far as the timing mark I saw on the camshaft gear, it looked like more than a speck of dirt. Looked like an indentation punched into the side of the gear tooth, which is where a timing mark should be. I'd have to look at it in my hand to really be sure though.

I going to have answer multiple questions in this post:
firstly, I will take some more pictures soon.
secondly, I understand having looked again at the photo it does look a lot like a timing mark, but it definately (unfortunately) isn't!
and finally yes, I think it is the gasket and I'll get some paper as soon as I can!

Thanks to you all for your suggestions!

actually I realise now that my answer to the last question is wrong as the model displayed in that picture is older than mine!, but I would love to know where you found the image of the engine!

thanks a lot!

abelw44 said:

actually I realise now that my answer to the last question is wrong as the model displayed in that picture is older than mine!, but I would love to know where you found the image of the engine!

thanks a lot!

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Suffolk Help

Hi, I'd just like to thank you all for your help as I have finally got the suffolk running again (although there were no timing marks in the end I just had to use the top dead centre trick)



thanks all

Well done, nice to you made it.:thumbsup:

Based on the pictures in the .pdf manuals (which happen to be sideways :laughing: ) the mower looks like it's fairly old. Do you know when it was made? Could you post a picture of the whole mower?

Hi all,
actually the pictures in that manual aren't of the same model as mine, mine is a later (1994) model. However I will still post some pictures:

the lawn mower isn't actually in one piece at the moment!

mistermowerman said:

And there is one called a Suffolk Colt which is the smaller brother of the Punch . Gary :smile:

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I read up a little on the Suffolk Punch and come to find out, it was a "Draft Horse"!

DaveTN said:

I read up a little on the Suffolk Punch and come to find out, it was a "Draft Horse"!

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Thanks... I had no idea the mower was named after a variety of horse. I thought it was just an amusing name for a mower.

Here is a link to a wikipedia page for it.

Thanks to abelw44 for the photo.