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small yard. help appreciated.
#1
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digitalman
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digitalman
We recently had a new house built and want to start maintaining the sodded yard. We have paid a guy to do the law every week, but over the long run is going to cost more then getting a mower and doing it myself.
We don't have a very big yard. It is about 1/3 an acre or slightly larger. It is mostly flat, though near the driveway going into the back yard there is a decent sized slope. It is about 23ft wide and within 17ft stretch drops 4ft. The slide closer to the house is steeper then away from the house.
I have some back issues and think I would rather avoid a push and even self propelled mower. I currently have a toro self-propelled mower that works fin, but just don't enjoy mowing the lawn with it. So a rider would help alleviate some of that frustration
I have spoke to several people and they suggested a single blade rider would be better for my needs. After a lot of searching on the internet, I have realized that more often then not, the single blade riders are the low end models.... which in my opinion are often the ones that have the most problems. Also, I want to park it in my garage so smaller would be better. If I can't get it into the garage, I would have to put it under our deck with a cover over it.... although that is not ideal.
I looked at snapper RER mowers. I have seriously considered getting one, although it seems like a lot compared to a lawn tractor. Plus I am a bit concerned how it will do on the slope. I have read a lot that RER aren't slope friendly. Although one thing I really like about them is it is easier to see directly in front of you to maneuver around things.
When it comes to regular lawn tractors, I want to avoid anything higher then 42in deck.... lower would be better. Though again, it seems like that is hard to find without going low end. I
I have even considered a zero turn, but if i go that way, I would definitely want the smallest one possible.
Ideally, would either come with or have an optional bagger.
I have found several online that look appealing, but it is hard to know if these are smart choices based purely on web info and online reviews. I am very open to suggestions on something else.
Single blade zero turn husqvarna
Single blade tractor husqvarna
Snapper RER (debating which model if I go this route)
snapper single blade zero turn mower
Poulan Pro Single blade zero turn
Dixon Single blade zero turn
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions you can offer.
We don't have a very big yard. It is about 1/3 an acre or slightly larger. It is mostly flat, though near the driveway going into the back yard there is a decent sized slope. It is about 23ft wide and within 17ft stretch drops 4ft. The slide closer to the house is steeper then away from the house.
I have some back issues and think I would rather avoid a push and even self propelled mower. I currently have a toro self-propelled mower that works fin, but just don't enjoy mowing the lawn with it. So a rider would help alleviate some of that frustration
I have spoke to several people and they suggested a single blade rider would be better for my needs. After a lot of searching on the internet, I have realized that more often then not, the single blade riders are the low end models.... which in my opinion are often the ones that have the most problems. Also, I want to park it in my garage so smaller would be better. If I can't get it into the garage, I would have to put it under our deck with a cover over it.... although that is not ideal.
I looked at snapper RER mowers. I have seriously considered getting one, although it seems like a lot compared to a lawn tractor. Plus I am a bit concerned how it will do on the slope. I have read a lot that RER aren't slope friendly. Although one thing I really like about them is it is easier to see directly in front of you to maneuver around things.
When it comes to regular lawn tractors, I want to avoid anything higher then 42in deck.... lower would be better. Though again, it seems like that is hard to find without going low end. I
I have even considered a zero turn, but if i go that way, I would definitely want the smallest one possible.
Ideally, would either come with or have an optional bagger.
I have found several online that look appealing, but it is hard to know if these are smart choices based purely on web info and online reviews. I am very open to suggestions on something else.
Single blade zero turn husqvarna
Single blade tractor husqvarna
Snapper RER (debating which model if I go this route)
snapper single blade zero turn mower
Poulan Pro Single blade zero turn
Dixon Single blade zero turn
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions you can offer.
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digitalman
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digitalman
meant to add:
there are many of the usual suspects that I didn't include in my list, but have been considered: (JD d100, Cub Cadet 1040/1042, etc). I was just listing things that were a bit unique to hear what others thought).
Also, I would prefer to just buy new. I know that there are some great deals to be had with used, but I don't want to inherit someone else's problem. Plus, if I buy something that is a bit more unique (like a single bade zero turn) the odds of finding a used on is greatly reduced.
there are many of the usual suspects that I didn't include in my list, but have been considered: (JD d100, Cub Cadet 1040/1042, etc). I was just listing things that were a bit unique to hear what others thought).
Also, I would prefer to just buy new. I know that there are some great deals to be had with used, but I don't want to inherit someone else's problem. Plus, if I buy something that is a bit more unique (like a single bade zero turn) the odds of finding a used on is greatly reduced.
#3
djdicetn
It would help to know what you are willing to invest in the mower that is just right for your needs. Speaking of unique, I recently read some users posting about purchasing a Husqvarna Articulating Rider Mower. These are very neat(and according to reviews provide a "professional cut"), come in small deck sizes...but are relatively expensive compared to what you can buy in lawn tractor or zero turn for that money. Let us know what your budget is and we can try to assist with some recommendations. Here's a link to those Huskies if you want to take a gander.
Riding Lawn Mowers - Mower and accessories, reviews, buying guide and comparison charts Husqvarna
djdicetn
meant to add:
there are many of the usual suspects that I didn't include in my list, but have been considered: (JD d100, Cub Cadet 1040/1042, etc). I was just listing things that were a bit unique to hear what others thought).
Also, I would prefer to just buy new. I know that there are some great deals to be had with used, but I don't want to inherit someone else's problem. Plus, if I buy something that is a bit more unique (like a single bade zero turn) the odds of finding a used on is greatly reduced.
It would help to know what you are willing to invest in the mower that is just right for your needs. Speaking of unique, I recently read some users posting about purchasing a Husqvarna Articulating Rider Mower. These are very neat(and according to reviews provide a "professional cut"), come in small deck sizes...but are relatively expensive compared to what you can buy in lawn tractor or zero turn for that money. Let us know what your budget is and we can try to assist with some recommendations. Here's a link to those Huskies if you want to take a gander.
Riding Lawn Mowers - Mower and accessories, reviews, buying guide and comparison charts Husqvarna
#4
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digitalman
Thanks for the reply. initially it was about $1300... then you start looking around and realize that you are not getting much for your money and what you are getting is probably going to be more repair prone. I am now closer to $2000... although I do realize some of the ones I listed are a little more then that. $2500 is what my limit would be.
Basically I don't want to cheep out today and regret it tomorrow.
I have looked at the articulating mower, it was very interesting, but a little to steep for my pocket.
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digitalman
It would help to know what you are willing to invest in the mower that is just right for your needs. Speaking of unique, I recently read some users posting about purchasing a Husqvarna Articulating Rider Mower. These are very neat(and according to reviews provide a "professional cut"), come in small deck sizes...but are relatively expensive compared to what you can buy in lawn tractor or zero turn for that money. Let us know what your budget is and we can try to assist with some recommendations.
Thanks for the reply. initially it was about $1300... then you start looking around and realize that you are not getting much for your money and what you are getting is probably going to be more repair prone. I am now closer to $2000... although I do realize some of the ones I listed are a little more then that. $2500 is what my limit would be.
Basically I don't want to cheep out today and regret it tomorrow.
I have looked at the articulating mower, it was very interesting, but a little to steep for my pocket.
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digitalman
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digitalman
I also noticed a toro single blade zero turn. Although I am not sure who makes the engine in this one.
#6
RatRacer
My neighbor has a Dixon Speed ZTR30, and loves it, but I'm at a loss on a price for it.
RatRacer
I also noticed a toro single blade zero turn. Although I am not sure who makes the engine in this one.
My neighbor has a Dixon Speed ZTR30, and loves it, but I'm at a loss on a price for it.
#7
Ric
Can I ask is the a specific reason you want a ZTR or would a Self Propelled Push mower with a 30" cut interest you? Your talking about a budget of $2000 to $2500 and you can buy the Toro Turfmaster Self Propelled Commercial mower with the Commercial FJ180 KAI Kawasaki engine for between $1700 and $1900 and you'll get a better cut with it than anything you have listed and it will be cheaper to buy and run.
Ric
We recently had a new house built and want to start maintaining the sodded yard. We have paid a guy to do the law every week, but over the long run is going to cost more then getting a mower and doing it myself.
We don't have a very big yard. It is about 1/3 an acre or slightly larger. It is mostly flat, though near the driveway going into the back yard there is a decent sized slope. It is about 23ft wide and within 17ft stretch drops 4ft. The slide closer to the house is steeper then away from the house.
I have some back issues and think I would rather avoid a push and even self propelled mower. I currently have a toro self-propelled mower that works fin, but just don't enjoy mowing the lawn with it. So a rider would help alleviate some of that frustration
I have spoke to several people and they suggested a single blade rider would be better for my needs. After a lot of searching on the internet, I have realized that more often then not, the single blade riders are the low end models.... which in my opinion are often the ones that have the most problems. Also, I want to park it in my garage so smaller would be better. If I can't get it into the garage, I would have to put it under our deck with a cover over it.... although that is not ideal.
I looked at snapper RER mowers. I have seriously considered getting one, although it seems like a lot compared to a lawn tractor. Plus I am a bit concerned how it will do on the slope. I have read a lot that RER aren't slope friendly. Although one thing I really like about them is it is easier to see directly in front of you to maneuver around things.
When it comes to regular lawn tractors, I want to avoid anything higher then 42in deck.... lower would be better. Though again, it seems like that is hard to find without going low end. I
I have even considered a zero turn, but if i go that way, I would definitely want the smallest one possible.
Ideally, would either come with or have an optional bagger.
I have found several online that look appealing, but it is hard to know if these are smart choices based purely on web info and online reviews. I am very open to suggestions on something else.
Single blade zero turn husqvarna
Single blade tractor husqvarna
Snapper RER (debating which model if I go this route)
snapper single blade zero turn mower
Poulan Pro Single blade zero turn
Dixon Single blade zero turn
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions you can offer.
Can I ask is the a specific reason you want a ZTR or would a Self Propelled Push mower with a 30" cut interest you? Your talking about a budget of $2000 to $2500 and you can buy the Toro Turfmaster Self Propelled Commercial mower with the Commercial FJ180 KAI Kawasaki engine for between $1700 and $1900 and you'll get a better cut with it than anything you have listed and it will be cheaper to buy and run.
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digitalman
Third paragraph from original post:
To elaborate though, I have some nerve damage in my back. Sometimes I can push (or maneuver a self-propelled) mower around without a problem. Other times I have serious pain in my back. Like someone has stuck an ice pick into it and it is this constant pain. So rather then push my luck every time I mow, I am looking at a rider.
I am not stuck on zero-turn. I would prefer a single blade and smaller then a 42in. There aren't a lot of options using that criteria. But I am starting with that.
I found several mowers that fit those two things, some were snapper, others were zero radius and one is a smaller husqvarna tractor with built in bagger.
Should none of these pan out, then I will look at regular tractors. The one I would seriously consider is the Cub Cadet 1042 with the Kawasaki engine.
I am just weighing all my options before I buy one as this isn't the type of purchase that is easy to return if you aren't satisfied (unless dealing with a big box store).
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digitalman
Can I ask is the a specific reason you want a ZTR or would a Self Propelled Push mower with a 30" cut interest you? Your talking about a budget of $2000 to $2500 and you can buy the Toro Turfmaster Self Propelled Commercial mower with the Commercial FJ180 KAI Kawasaki engine for between $1700 and $1900 and you'll get a better cut with it than anything you have listed and it will be cheaper to buy and run.
Third paragraph from original post:
I have some back issues and think I would rather avoid a push and even self propelled mower. I currently have a toro self-propelled mower that works fin, but just don't enjoy mowing the lawn with it. So a rider would help alleviate some of that frustration.
To elaborate though, I have some nerve damage in my back. Sometimes I can push (or maneuver a self-propelled) mower around without a problem. Other times I have serious pain in my back. Like someone has stuck an ice pick into it and it is this constant pain. So rather then push my luck every time I mow, I am looking at a rider.
I am not stuck on zero-turn. I would prefer a single blade and smaller then a 42in. There aren't a lot of options using that criteria. But I am starting with that.
I found several mowers that fit those two things, some were snapper, others were zero radius and one is a smaller husqvarna tractor with built in bagger.
Should none of these pan out, then I will look at regular tractors. The one I would seriously consider is the Cub Cadet 1042 with the Kawasaki engine.
I am just weighing all my options before I buy one as this isn't the type of purchase that is easy to return if you aren't satisfied (unless dealing with a big box store).
#9
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digitalman
I saw a couple of dealer who had the prices online. Looks like it is about $2400.
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digitalman
My neighbor has a Dixon Speed ZTR30, and loves it, but I'm at a loss on a price for it.
I saw a couple of dealer who had the prices online. Looks like it is about $2400.
#10
djdicetn
Sounds about right, my local dealer shows Dixon ZTR pricing of:
42" Stamped (2012) 16 hp Briggs $2299
42" Fabricated 22hp Kawasaki $3399
46" Stamped 22hp Briggs $2699
IMHO, Dixons are good bang-for-your-buck, just not as high of quality as before Husqvarna bought them out:0(
That being said, though, nothing derogatory because I consider Husqvarna lawn tractors as some of the best for the money and the Husqvarna ZTR's no slouches either(even the ones that are obviously orange painted Dixons:0)
I made an offer last fall on a 52" Dixon DX100 and consider them an excellent entry-level Commercial ZTR.
P.S.
Oooopsss....that was the 42 & 46 " Dixon SpeedZTR(my local dealer doesn't stock the 30":0(
djdicetn
I saw a couple of dealer who had the prices online. Looks like it is about $2400.
Sounds about right, my local dealer shows Dixon ZTR pricing of:
42" Stamped (2012) 16 hp Briggs $2299
42" Fabricated 22hp Kawasaki $3399
46" Stamped 22hp Briggs $2699
IMHO, Dixons are good bang-for-your-buck, just not as high of quality as before Husqvarna bought them out:0(
That being said, though, nothing derogatory because I consider Husqvarna lawn tractors as some of the best for the money and the Husqvarna ZTR's no slouches either(even the ones that are obviously orange painted Dixons:0)
I made an offer last fall on a 52" Dixon DX100 and consider them an excellent entry-level Commercial ZTR.
P.S.
Oooopsss....that was the 42 & 46 " Dixon SpeedZTR(my local dealer doesn't stock the 30":0(
#11
Ric
Dj let me ask a question and I'm not trying to get away from the subject of the OP but my question may concern him about his choices. I know you are running the Gravely and I was wondering about the ride quality. What would your opinion be of the ride quality of the mowers the OP is looking at? I'm just asking because I know there are some ZTR mowers that will or can beat you to death and with a bad back would it be a concern. The mowers of choice with the smaller wheels and weighing less kind of make wonder. Trying to find a mower with a suspension or at least a suspension seat may be in his best interest. digitalman I'm sorry I missed that paragraph or I wouldn't have suggested the TM cause with a bad back you don't wanna be pushing around a 167lb mower.
Ric
Sounds about right, my local dealer shows Dixon ZTR pricing of:
42" Stamped (2012) 16 hp Briggs $2299
42" Fabricated 22hp Kawasaki $3399
46" Stamped 22hp Briggs $2699
IMHO, Dixons are good bang-for-your-buck, just not as high of quality as before Husqvarna bought them out:0(
That being said, though, nothing derogatory because I consider Husqvarna lawn tractors as some of the best for the money and the Husqvarna ZTR's no slouches either(even the ones that are obviously orange painted Dixons:0)
I made an offer last fall on a 52" Dixon DX100 and consider them an excellent entry-level Commercial ZTR.
P.S.
Oooopsss....that was the 42 & 46 " Dixon SpeedZTR(my local dealer doesn't stock the 30":0(
Dj let me ask a question and I'm not trying to get away from the subject of the OP but my question may concern him about his choices. I know you are running the Gravely and I was wondering about the ride quality. What would your opinion be of the ride quality of the mowers the OP is looking at? I'm just asking because I know there are some ZTR mowers that will or can beat you to death and with a bad back would it be a concern. The mowers of choice with the smaller wheels and weighing less kind of make wonder. Trying to find a mower with a suspension or at least a suspension seat may be in his best interest. digitalman I'm sorry I missed that paragraph or I wouldn't have suggested the TM cause with a bad back you don't wanna be pushing around a 167lb mower.
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digitalman
No worries at all. Sometimes when reading through an entire thread it is easy to overlook something like that. Honestly, I wish I didn't have the issue and could just use my existing toro. Talk about power walking while mowing the lawn.
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digitalman
I'm sorry I missed that paragraph or I wouldn't have suggested the TM cause with a bad back you don't wanna be pushing around a 167lb mower.
No worries at all. Sometimes when reading through an entire thread it is easy to overlook something like that. Honestly, I wish I didn't have the issue and could just use my existing toro. Talk about power walking while mowing the lawn.
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digitalman
Thanks for thinking about this. This is exactly the type of info that is helpful to someone who doesn't know much about mowers in general. Granted, I have been reading enough to start to know much more then I did a week ago.
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digitalman
What would your opinion be of the ride quality of the mowers the OP is looking at? I'm just asking because I know there are some ZTR mowers that will or can beat you to death and with a bad back would it be a concern. The mowers of choice with the smaller wheels and weighing less kind of make wonder. Trying to find a mower with a suspension or at least a suspension seat may be in his best interest..
Thanks for thinking about this. This is exactly the type of info that is helpful to someone who doesn't know much about mowers in general. Granted, I have been reading enough to start to know much more then I did a week ago.
#14
txzrider
txzrider
so 17 years ago I was in the same spot... the choices were smaller then... I settled on a yz1333 Snapper Yard Cruiser. It lasted 15 years, had a 33 inch deck(selected it so I could go through a std 36 inch gate.). I had bought a 21 inch snapper the previous year... it was killing me. I decided to buy it(the ztr), told the wife it was going to cost 2600 and she absolutely said no way... after thinking some more i told her had to have it... to make a long story shorter... 2 weeks after I bought it she told it was my best purchase ever!! I dont know if you have a width limitation (you said no larger than 42inches)... but there are some pretty good choices from 2400 to 3k that will probably suite you just fine. I ended up replacing my snapper with a Country clipper (38 inch deck, 20hp) for 2300 via craigslist. It has worked great. You can usually buy them for 3k or less as last years model. They finally dropped the 38 inch deck tho'. In any case with routine care and maintenance, protection from the elements when not in use... you should get 10 plus years out of any of the quality ZTR's in your price range. More importantly than that... you will enjoy mowing your yard. You will do it faster with much less stress and it will look great.
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txzrider
txzrider
One more thing, you mentioned wanting a single blade deck, I did too at 1st, but I am convinced the blade tip speed was slower on the snapper than on my Country Clipper. The country clipper has 3 blades on a 38 inch deck and judging from how finely the grass is chopped up... it is a much better deck. In any case as you go up in price you are almost guaranteed to get higher blade speeds, with judging from my only 2 examples gives a better cut.
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digitalman
Hmmmmm.... Interesting point. I wonder if this is only true with the snapper or all of the ones I listed. Obviously the country clipper is higher end unit and might be unfair to do a direct comparison.
My thinking for a single blade mower is:
1. Smaller unit / less storage space needed for the mower
2. Better cut.
3. Less expensive
4. Less to go wrong
Though I could be wrong with any of these.
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digitalman
One more thing, you mentioned wanting a single blade deck, I did too at 1st, but I am convinced the blade tip speed was slower on the snapper than on my Country Clipper. The country clipper has 3 blades on a 38 inch deck and judging from how finely the grass is chopped up... it is a much better deck. In any case as you go up in price you are almost guaranteed to get higher blade speeds, with judging from my only 2 examples gives a better cut.
Hmmmmm.... Interesting point. I wonder if this is only true with the snapper or all of the ones I listed. Obviously the country clipper is higher end unit and might be unfair to do a direct comparison.
My thinking for a single blade mower is:
1. Smaller unit / less storage space needed for the mower
2. Better cut.
3. Less expensive
4. Less to go wrong
Though I could be wrong with any of these.
#17
jimrs
jimrs
I have to question the ability of any of them to mow a 4ft drop in 17feet. That is truly a steep incline. That is best taken care of by a walk behind mower. Plus the size of the yard is real small for a zero turn or tractor. If you have any thing in your yard or areas that you can't get a rider into. If your back is that bad I would suggest that you keep the guy who is mowing now employeed.
#18
djdicetn
The full suspension seat on my Gravely provides a much smoother ride that I was accustomed to on my previous lawn tractors. I too, because of my polio, have experienced some lower back problems over the years but it doesn't bother me significantly. I never rally gave that much consideration to ride quality when I was shopping I just knew I wanted a Commercial ZTR and guess I just expected it to have a decent ride. I have never test driven any of the entry-level Residential mowers that the OP is considering, so I can't provide any first-hand knowledge. I would guess, though, that unless they offer an upgraded suspension seat he would just have to keep it at a little slower speed to avoid having it jostle him too much. I would suggest that he tell dealers he needs to demo these mowers on some rough terrain similar to his yard so that he can determine whether that mower's ride quality will be good enough for him.
djdicetn
Dj let me ask a question and I'm not trying to get away from the subject of the OP but my question may concern him about his choices. I know you are running the Gravely and I was wondering about the ride quality. What would your opinion be of the ride quality of the mowers the OP is looking at? I'm just asking because I know there are some ZTR mowers that will or can beat you to death and with a bad back would it be a concern. The mowers of choice with the smaller wheels and weighing less kind of make wonder. Trying to find a mower with a suspension or at least a suspension seat may be in his best interest. digitalman I'm sorry I missed that paragraph or I wouldn't have suggested the TM cause with a bad back you don't wanna be pushing around a 167lb mower.
The full suspension seat on my Gravely provides a much smoother ride that I was accustomed to on my previous lawn tractors. I too, because of my polio, have experienced some lower back problems over the years but it doesn't bother me significantly. I never rally gave that much consideration to ride quality when I was shopping I just knew I wanted a Commercial ZTR and guess I just expected it to have a decent ride. I have never test driven any of the entry-level Residential mowers that the OP is considering, so I can't provide any first-hand knowledge. I would guess, though, that unless they offer an upgraded suspension seat he would just have to keep it at a little slower speed to avoid having it jostle him too much. I would suggest that he tell dealers he needs to demo these mowers on some rough terrain similar to his yard so that he can determine whether that mower's ride quality will be good enough for him.
#19
Carscw
Carscw
I would go with a snapper 30 inch. The blade speed is faster enough and the cut is IMO better than any other mower. And as far as the 4 foot drop in 17 feet any mower will cut that with no trouble. Look around on this site how many people come on here needing help to fix there snapper? Not many.
The snapper is easy on your back getting on and off the mower.
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
The snapper is easy on your back getting on and off the mower.
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
#20
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digitalman
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digitalman
So, I'll admit that despite what everyone says about big box vs dealer... my preference was to get a mower at Lowes... since it is so easy to get 10% off there. This weekend we were at my inlaws house. They live on a farm and my father in law has had a lot of equipment over the years.
My wife mentioned to him that I was planning on getting a mower and he and I started talking about it for a little while. I asked him his impression about brands and such and he (not surprisingly said that engine brand matters a lot more then the overall brand). He strongly encouraged me to get a better brand engine.
When we started talking about where to buy his one suggestion about not buying from lowsor home depot; was that when the mower comes out of the "box" they often need a bunch of tweaking. Saving 10% at the store might be a wash once you end up having to bring it to a dealer to get an initial servicing. Why not just develop that relationship right off the bat. Plus a dealer is more inclined to take care of their customers first vs drive up customers.
When I thought about it like that the 10% savings didn't seem to matter as much.
So I spent the last couple of days talking to/visiting a few independent dealers.
Snapper: They were nice though were really trying to push me into buying the only RER mower they had in stock. It looks like it had spent a bit too much time in the rain, because I would swear there was already rust on it. I asked about ordering a different model, and it seemed like it was going to be an inconvenience. In the end I decided to look else where. Plus, I never felt like I was saving money going with a smaller mower.
Cub Cadet: Really liked the dealer. My kids did too. I brought them to the dealer to give my wife a break and the lady gave each of them a nice plastic cup with a magnet and a few lollipops. Really liked the CC, I was seriously considering either the LX1042 or the RZT S 42. The idea of a steering wheel was appealing. While they didn't have any 42" ZTRs in stock they were happy to order it.
Toro: I was really interested in the 30" ZTR and was excited that they had it in stock. When I walked in they guy told me the price was $2300.... I said isn't there a $150 toro promo going on? He said, yeah, we can honor that. Then we started talking about the mower and he suggested I jump up to the 42" since that comes with the kawasaki engine and was only $2600. I said does that one qualify for the $150 off. He seemed like he didn't want to admit that it was.
So while I was thinking this over, I decided to check on the engine in the 42 (something didn't sound right here).... sure enough it was a Kohler. So, I walk back in and the guy "goes on break" and the store manager starts talking to me. He seems more knowledgeable and doesn't seem to be as greedy about giving me the toro promo. Unfortunately for him, by now I am ready to leave.
Husqvarna: Next on the docket was the 30" ZTR from HQ. After talking to the guy a little, he looked up some stuff and found out that there isn't any of them anywhere. He said it could take a month or more to get it. He started to point out the 42" but then said he also carried Gravely. This wasn't a brand I was as familiar with, but in my reading on this forum, it seems to be a well regarded brand.
He mentioned that they also have a 30" model which uses a B&S engine that could be ordered. He then said that he had the 42" in stock, which had a kawasaki engine (yeah, I checked to verify). Said it could be delivered today. This was a lot more then I wanted to spend ($2700), but I think in the long run it will be money well spent. Plus they did 4 years no interest. After a quick check in with my wife, I pulled the trigger.
I will also say that the 2 guys I talked to before buying were nice and i never got the impression that they were pushing me to buy more then I wanted to which is a very different feel from other salesmen I have encountered.
In the end the Gravely ZT42 is much more then I thought I would spend.... but also much more then I would have had. I'll do a mow with it later today and post some pictures.
My wife mentioned to him that I was planning on getting a mower and he and I started talking about it for a little while. I asked him his impression about brands and such and he (not surprisingly said that engine brand matters a lot more then the overall brand). He strongly encouraged me to get a better brand engine.
When we started talking about where to buy his one suggestion about not buying from lowsor home depot; was that when the mower comes out of the "box" they often need a bunch of tweaking. Saving 10% at the store might be a wash once you end up having to bring it to a dealer to get an initial servicing. Why not just develop that relationship right off the bat. Plus a dealer is more inclined to take care of their customers first vs drive up customers.
When I thought about it like that the 10% savings didn't seem to matter as much.
So I spent the last couple of days talking to/visiting a few independent dealers.
Snapper: They were nice though were really trying to push me into buying the only RER mower they had in stock. It looks like it had spent a bit too much time in the rain, because I would swear there was already rust on it. I asked about ordering a different model, and it seemed like it was going to be an inconvenience. In the end I decided to look else where. Plus, I never felt like I was saving money going with a smaller mower.
Cub Cadet: Really liked the dealer. My kids did too. I brought them to the dealer to give my wife a break and the lady gave each of them a nice plastic cup with a magnet and a few lollipops. Really liked the CC, I was seriously considering either the LX1042 or the RZT S 42. The idea of a steering wheel was appealing. While they didn't have any 42" ZTRs in stock they were happy to order it.
Toro: I was really interested in the 30" ZTR and was excited that they had it in stock. When I walked in they guy told me the price was $2300.... I said isn't there a $150 toro promo going on? He said, yeah, we can honor that. Then we started talking about the mower and he suggested I jump up to the 42" since that comes with the kawasaki engine and was only $2600. I said does that one qualify for the $150 off. He seemed like he didn't want to admit that it was.
So while I was thinking this over, I decided to check on the engine in the 42 (something didn't sound right here).... sure enough it was a Kohler. So, I walk back in and the guy "goes on break" and the store manager starts talking to me. He seems more knowledgeable and doesn't seem to be as greedy about giving me the toro promo. Unfortunately for him, by now I am ready to leave.
Husqvarna: Next on the docket was the 30" ZTR from HQ. After talking to the guy a little, he looked up some stuff and found out that there isn't any of them anywhere. He said it could take a month or more to get it. He started to point out the 42" but then said he also carried Gravely. This wasn't a brand I was as familiar with, but in my reading on this forum, it seems to be a well regarded brand.
He mentioned that they also have a 30" model which uses a B&S engine that could be ordered. He then said that he had the 42" in stock, which had a kawasaki engine (yeah, I checked to verify). Said it could be delivered today. This was a lot more then I wanted to spend ($2700), but I think in the long run it will be money well spent. Plus they did 4 years no interest. After a quick check in with my wife, I pulled the trigger.
I will also say that the 2 guys I talked to before buying were nice and i never got the impression that they were pushing me to buy more then I wanted to which is a very different feel from other salesmen I have encountered.
In the end the Gravely ZT42 is much more then I thought I would spend.... but also much more then I would have had. I'll do a mow with it later today and post some pictures.
#22
txzrider
txzrider
congrats!! I am sure you will be pleased.
#23
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digitalman
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digitalman
Took about 30 minutes to do the lawn. I am sure I could do it more efficiently once I get used to the controls and best way to use it for my yard. As I am sure everyone else can attest, there is a learning curve here. There was a few times where you are fighting against instinct especially when going backwards. A lot of it will be retraining my self to push and pull the bars to how the mower responds.
All in all I am happy with it. One thing that I realized will using it. I am glad I got the 42". There are times that there is a huge advantage to have the blade cut out further then the wheels (like where the road curb is).
I was also surprised how much power it had going up the incline. It tackled going up and down it with no problem at all.
I am looking forward to the mulching blade to arrive. The dealer said he would pick it back up and install it when it arrives. That will help make the mower a little more maneuverable too without the side discharge guard.
All in all I am happy with it. One thing that I realized will using it. I am glad I got the 42". There are times that there is a huge advantage to have the blade cut out further then the wheels (like where the road curb is).
I was also surprised how much power it had going up the incline. It tackled going up and down it with no problem at all.
I am looking forward to the mulching blade to arrive. The dealer said he would pick it back up and install it when it arrives. That will help make the mower a little more maneuverable too without the side discharge guard.
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digitalman
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digitalman
Never fails.... I think this story depicts my wife's greatest frustration.
The problem with buying a really nice ZTR mower, is then when you are done mowing the lawn. I realized that I need to use the trimmer. SoI found our really old Black&Decker electric plug in trimmer (yes, I know) and go and get the extension cord.
As you can probably figure out, I started messing with the trimmer and thinking about how much of a piece of crap it was compared to the gravely. I plug it in and press the button.... the results were strait out of a movie. The whole spindle of string got tangled up into a mess... the engine made a awful sound.... and for a breif moment, I would swear I saw a puff of smoke come out.
So now that I have made the investment into one really good mower.... I am having to think about a trimmer. When I told the story to my wife, she just shook her head and said it was typical. Then she actually said (in a less then thrilled tone), yeah, and I bet you looking at blowers too.
What can I say, she knows me too well.
The problem with buying a really nice ZTR mower, is then when you are done mowing the lawn. I realized that I need to use the trimmer. SoI found our really old Black&Decker electric plug in trimmer (yes, I know) and go and get the extension cord.
As you can probably figure out, I started messing with the trimmer and thinking about how much of a piece of crap it was compared to the gravely. I plug it in and press the button.... the results were strait out of a movie. The whole spindle of string got tangled up into a mess... the engine made a awful sound.... and for a breif moment, I would swear I saw a puff of smoke come out.
So now that I have made the investment into one really good mower.... I am having to think about a trimmer. When I told the story to my wife, she just shook her head and said it was typical. Then she actually said (in a less then thrilled tone), yeah, and I bet you looking at blowers too.
What can I say, she knows me too well.
#26
djdicetn
digitalman,
Welcome to the growing Gravely clan on these forums!!!!! Even though I refrained from recommending the Gravely(although my satisfaction with mine gives me that inclination:0) I think you will not regret getting the ZT 42!! It is definitely comparables to the ones on your final short list and way better than if you had bought a big box retailer ZTR. I think as you use it you will become more assured that spending a few extra hundred dollars will pay off with the Kawa engine and other nice features. One thing, though, that I am curious about.....we had been discussing ride quality because of your bad back. I only looked at the ZT HD and Pro-Turn 100XDZ models when I was shopping and I wonder just how you would "rate" the comfort of the ride you are experiencing on the Gravely entry-level Residential ZTR without a suspension seat. Let us know what you think so we will know!!! Thanks and enjoy!!!!!!
P.S.
Since your father-in-law knows farming equipment I'm certain he will recognize the Gravely brand. Giving him some credit for influencing your final purchase decision could only earn you some "points" with the wife(and him:0)
djdicetn
So, I'll admit that despite what everyone says about big box vs dealer... my preference was to get a mower at Lowes... since it is so easy to get 10% off there. This weekend we were at my inlaws house. They live on a farm and my father in law has had a lot of equipment over the years.
My wife mentioned to him that I was planning on getting a mower and he and I started talking about it for a little while. I asked him his impression about brands and such and he (not surprisingly said that engine brand matters a lot more then the overall brand). He strongly encouraged me to get a better brand engine.
When we started talking about where to buy his one suggestion about not buying from lowsor home depot; was that when the mower comes out of the "box" they often need a bunch of tweaking. Saving 10% at the store might be a wash once you end up having to bring it to a dealer to get an initial servicing. Why not just develop that relationship right off the bat. Plus a dealer is more inclined to take care of their customers first vs drive up customers.
When I thought about it like that the 10% savings didn't seem to matter as much.
So I spent the last couple of days talking to/visiting a few independent dealers.
Snapper: They were nice though were really trying to push me into buying the only RER mower they had in stock. It looks like it had spent a bit too much time in the rain, because I would swear there was already rust on it. I asked about ordering a different model, and it seemed like it was going to be an inconvenience. In the end I decided to look else where. Plus, I never felt like I was saving money going with a smaller mower.
Cub Cadet: Really liked the dealer. My kids did too. I brought them to the dealer to give my wife a break and the lady gave each of them a nice plastic cup with a magnet and a few lollipops. Really liked the CC, I was seriously considering either the LX1042 or the RZT S 42. The idea of a steering wheel was appealing. While they didn't have any 42" ZTRs in stock they were happy to order it.
Toro: I was really interested in the 30" ZTR and was excited that they had it in stock. When I walked in they guy told me the price was $2300.... I said isn't there a $150 toro promo going on? He said, yeah, we can honor that. Then we started talking about the mower and he suggested I jump up to the 42" since that comes with the kawasaki engine and was only $2600. I said does that one qualify for the $150 off. He seemed like he didn't want to admit that it was.
So while I was thinking this over, I decided to check on the engine in the 42 (something didn't sound right here).... sure enough it was a Kohler. So, I walk back in and the guy "goes on break" and the store manager starts talking to me. He seems more knowledgeable and doesn't seem to be as greedy about giving me the toro promo. Unfortunately for him, by now I am ready to leave.
Husqvarna: Next on the docket was the 30" ZTR from HQ. After talking to the guy a little, he looked up some stuff and found out that there isn't any of them anywhere. He said it could take a month or more to get it. He started to point out the 42" but then said he also carried Gravely. This wasn't a brand I was as familiar with, but in my reading on this forum, it seems to be a well regarded brand.
He mentioned that they also have a 30" model which uses a B&S engine that could be ordered. He then said that he had the 42" in stock, which had a kawasaki engine (yeah, I checked to verify). Said it could be delivered today. This was a lot more then I wanted to spend ($2700), but I think in the long run it will be money well spent. Plus they did 4 years no interest. After a quick check in with my wife, I pulled the trigger.
I will also say that the 2 guys I talked to before buying were nice and i never got the impression that they were pushing me to buy more then I wanted to which is a very different feel from other salesmen I have encountered.
In the end the Gravely ZT42 is much more then I thought I would spend.... but also much more then I would have had. I'll do a mow with it later today and post some pictures.
digitalman,
Welcome to the growing Gravely clan on these forums!!!!! Even though I refrained from recommending the Gravely(although my satisfaction with mine gives me that inclination:0) I think you will not regret getting the ZT 42!! It is definitely comparables to the ones on your final short list and way better than if you had bought a big box retailer ZTR. I think as you use it you will become more assured that spending a few extra hundred dollars will pay off with the Kawa engine and other nice features. One thing, though, that I am curious about.....we had been discussing ride quality because of your bad back. I only looked at the ZT HD and Pro-Turn 100XDZ models when I was shopping and I wonder just how you would "rate" the comfort of the ride you are experiencing on the Gravely entry-level Residential ZTR without a suspension seat. Let us know what you think so we will know!!! Thanks and enjoy!!!!!!
P.S.
Since your father-in-law knows farming equipment I'm certain he will recognize the Gravely brand. Giving him some credit for influencing your final purchase decision could only earn you some "points" with the wife(and him:0)
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digitalman
Thanks
My back problems are more nerve related. Bouncing around tends not to aggravate it as much as pushing and controlling a standard mower. And like I said at the beginning, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does kick in it is extremely painful. I hate sounding like a wimp, but I also know I need to acknowledge my limitations. Plus, I really hated using a push (or self-propelled) mower in general.
My wife was there when I asked her dad what he though, and she appreciated that I did that. Plus it made for better leverage later on to explain why I spent more then we had talked about on it. Her parents are a bit older then the age of most of our peer's parents and have been out of the farming industry for quite some time. While he may not be aware of all the newest stuff on the market or who is king of the hill, he does still like to talk shop.
After I purchased it, my mother in law said "gravely has been around for a long time, and you can't go wrong with them". My father in law was glad that I didn't get a B&S or kohler engine. While he wasn't aware of kawasaki as a top choice for mowers, he knew the other two weren't wise decisions.
D
digitalman
digitalman,
Welcome to the growing Gravely clan on these forums!!!!! Even though I refrained from recommending the Gravely(although my satisfaction with mine gives me that inclination:0) I think you will not regret getting the ZT 42!! It is definitely comparables to the ones on your final short list and way better than if you had bought a big box retailer ZTR. I think as you use it you will become more assured that spending a few extra hundred dollars will pay off with the Kawa engine and other nice features. One thing, though, that I am curious about.....we had been discussing ride quality because of your bad back. I only looked at the ZT HD and Pro-Turn 100XDZ models when I was shopping and I wonder just how you would "rate" the comfort of the ride you are experiencing on the Gravely entry-level Residential ZTR without a suspension seat. Let us know what you think so we will know!!! Thanks and enjoy!!!!!!
P.S.
Since your father-in-law knows farming equipment I'm certain he will recognize the Gravely brand. Giving him some credit for influencing your final purchase decision could only earn you some "points" with the wife(and him:0)
Thanks
My back problems are more nerve related. Bouncing around tends not to aggravate it as much as pushing and controlling a standard mower. And like I said at the beginning, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does kick in it is extremely painful. I hate sounding like a wimp, but I also know I need to acknowledge my limitations. Plus, I really hated using a push (or self-propelled) mower in general.
My wife was there when I asked her dad what he though, and she appreciated that I did that. Plus it made for better leverage later on to explain why I spent more then we had talked about on it. Her parents are a bit older then the age of most of our peer's parents and have been out of the farming industry for quite some time. While he may not be aware of all the newest stuff on the market or who is king of the hill, he does still like to talk shop.
After I purchased it, my mother in law said "gravely has been around for a long time, and you can't go wrong with them". My father in law was glad that I didn't get a B&S or kohler engine. While he wasn't aware of kawasaki as a top choice for mowers, he knew the other two weren't wise decisions.
#28
txzrider
txzrider
Have I got a trimmer for you to check out... I have one and trimming is amazing.. edging takes practice.
PECO Z Trimmer - YouTube
PECO Z Trimmer - YouTube
#29
Bomba
Thant Peco trimmer makes me laugh! There are so many products out there now and this is a good idea. There must be a booming lawn care industry here. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Bomba
Have I got a trimmer for you to check out... I have one and trimming is amazing.. edging takes practice.
PECO Z Trimmer - YouTube
Thant Peco trimmer makes me laugh! There are so many products out there now and this is a good idea. There must be a booming lawn care industry here. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
#30
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digitalman
That looks really cool. It isn't going to work for my needs, but very impressive.
I am looking at a few husqvarna trimmers. I noticed that there are 2 and 4 cycle engines. I know that the 2 uses mixed vs the 4 you put them in separately. But what is the benefit of one over the other?
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digitalman
Thant Peco trimmer makes me laugh! There are so many products out there now and this is a good idea. There must be a booming lawn care industry here. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
That looks really cool. It isn't going to work for my needs, but very impressive.
I am looking at a few husqvarna trimmers. I noticed that there are 2 and 4 cycle engines. I know that the 2 uses mixed vs the 4 you put them in separately. But what is the benefit of one over the other?