Shindiawa back pack blowers

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Have to say tho in the 2vs4 stroke. That Suzuki 2 cycle :)

I'm not talking motor cycles when I'm talking about the battle I've seen and watched and the industry lose although it was Suzuki and Honda that led the battle I'm referring to and told everyone else this is the way but the old school guys just would not except that there was a better way to start with.
 

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Nono I am talking about the old toro proline with the Suzuki 2 cycle engine. I have never used an engine with more torque and power than that thing. With the added benefit of steep hills. I wish lawn mowers still used these for that reason. Now for small equipment I would not want a 4 cycle I bounce and flip those around way to much.
 

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Nono I am talking about the old toro proline with the Suzuki 2 cycle engine. I have never used an engine with more torque and power than that thing. With the added benefit of steep hills. I wish lawn mowers still used these for that reason. Now for small equipment I would not want a 4 cycle I bounce and flip those around way to much.


Well the stihl is a 4 mix which means it's a single cylinder 4 stroke engine which runs on or with a gas and oil lubrication and has no crankcase, so bouncing and flipping the thing upside down or sideways or in any direction is completely irrelevant to the way the machine works or runs. It's also the way the shindiawa 4 strokes run. As far as I know Stihl was the original or first one to come out with the 4 mix and was followed by Shindiawa.

As far as Suzuki goes you don't need to talk to me about them because you wont find a bigger believer in an engine than I am with Suzuki. As far as I'm concerned they make one of the best engines that ever hit the market.
 

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Nono I am talking about the old toro proline with the Suzuki 2 cycle engine. I have never used an engine with more torque and power than that thing. With the added benefit of steep hills. I wish lawn mowers still used these for that reason. Now for small equipment I would not want a 4 cycle I bounce and flip those around way to much.

I like my Ybravo for that. I have been up slopes no fat man can climb with my mower and it keeps on going. The Kawi has a presurised oil system.
 

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So does my Suzuki 4 cycle and most commercial quality kawi engines. But if you read the manual it gives you a limit on slope. Because oil can get in the wrong places if tipped wrong.

2 cycle Suzuki could take you up a 90degree angle (why I have no idea but it could) and keep going. I loved that thing. Emissions got the best of them however and now emissions are going.after small 2 stroke and soon small 4stroke. I meen they do put out more than a car running the same amount of time :(
 

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So does my Suzuki 4 cycle and most commercial quality kawi engines. But if you read the manual it gives you a limit on slope. Because oil can get in the wrong places if tipped wrong.

2 cycle Suzuki could take you up a 90degree angle (why I have no idea but it could) and keep going. I loved that thing. Emissions got the best of them however and now emissions are going.after small 2 stroke and soon small 4stroke. I meen they do put out more than a car running the same amount of time :(

I might wanna check that limit. Thanks for mentionning that.
 
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I am a STIHL guy. Why? Because I have had a good experience with there products, but it doesn't meen I hate all the other brands out there. The main goal is to run something that is good and supported by manny local dealers for easy parts access. In some places, I have seen ECHO everywhere and not so much STIHL. Where I live it is all STIHL and if I go out for a drive in another town, there is a tone of ECHO.

My friend works at railroad tracks and uses leaf blowers to clear snow off the rail road tracks all night non stop. They use to have STIHL BR600 blowers and each year they would breack. Now, they have changed to Shindaiwa, which has more power for the money and he uses it all night. I think he goes thru 10$ of gas on one blower in one night. Even tho he is using a Shindaiwa blower, it doesn't mean STIHL is bad. He still recommends it, but he does say that the leaf blower is better.

Husqvarna I would say is the most powerful, it's the same as redmax. I use the br600 stihl, never fails. it's also incredible on gas. I suppose it's a matter of choice. the h4 shindaiwa I would avoid cuz of the valves. the 802 is good.
 

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I have been sorta following this thread, but finally decided to post. I am a back pack blower freak for lack of a better term. They are one of my favorite pieces of equipment to run. I've owned quite a few, and ran all the top name, top tier BP's in the last few years.

I owned a BR600M (much more blower than the 550 for only a few bucks more) until early last year. Started first pull every time. Light, fuel efficient, and powerful, but the shoulder straps suck. I run BP's in the fall leaf season for 4-6 hours straight without taking them off, day after day. It is a good blower, but nowhere near the best by any stretch. 4 mix technology is not the wave of the future (that came straight from a Stihl tech rep at our local open-house this year), strato charged engines are.

In regards to the Shindy 802. Paper statistics don't mean much. It will outperform the 600 (though not by a huge amount) as it comes from the factory. It can be easily modded to way outperform the 600 though. The thing about the tubes that has been discussed earlier in this thread being misleading advertising, really isn't at all. They simply do the end user a favor by supplying them with two options for one machine. The larger tube end is slightly lower MPH, but with higher CFM for moving large piles of leaves better. The turbo nozzle forces the air stream through a smaller tip, which raises MPH at the expense of CFM, which is handy for lighter debris like wet grass clippings that are stuck down etc, and for scouring the ground clean of all sorts of stuck down debris and hard to move stuff like cigarette butts. The length of the tube really has nothing to do with the performance compared to the Stihl or other blowers.

I sold my 600 because the year before I bought a new Husky 570 right when they came out. It is the same size engine and same HP as the BR600, but outperforms it by a mile. You'll have to experience it to understand how much. It has the best shoulder harness system of any blower on the market by far. Though it weighs a couple pounds more than the Stihl, if you have to wear either for more than 15 minutes, the Husky is far, far more comfortable. It stays in place on your shoulders thanks to its shoulder straps and cross chest strap design. I know Stihl makes an add on chest strap, but it is junk. I bought one and tried it. The 570 will moves stuff long after the 600 has stopped. We have ran side by side tests time after time on heavy leaf piles and the 570 just keeps on moving them well after the 600 no longer can.

Since Husky owns Redmax (but RM makes the blowers for both companies), the Husky 570 is the same exact blower as the RM 7500, and the 580 Husky is the same machine as the RM 8500, but again, the Husky has a much better shoulder harness than the RM. I have ran the 8500, and while it has more CFM, it doesn't have near the MPH of the 7500/570, and their performance in the real world on debris is very close. The 570 is lighter and uses less fuel, so to me it's a no brainer.

I also use a BR380 for a lot of daily cleanup work while mowing since it is all I need for that type work, and my wife likes to run it in the fall on leaf cleanups when she gets the chance. Those old Stihl 2 strokes are great blowers.

Here is a video that shows what most of the top blowers will do side by side. While it isn't leaves or grass, it is repeatable and fair. the one blower that should have been included but wasn't was the Shindy 802. It would have fallen right between the BR600 and Echo 770 (which is an excellent blower)-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePqL085xf-g
 

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Wow that's a lot of info there bud lol
 

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Wow that's a lot of info there bud lol


Here's a little more info that may be handy when you talking blowers that people don't think about.Figures are based on 15.5hrs run time per wk. 40weeks per year.

Fuel
Consumption
(fl. oz. / hr)
Running Time
in min / 1 qt of
Fuel (min)
Annual Fuel
Expenditure
Savings when
you use
STIHL BR 600
Echo PB 770 T51.937$1,156.40$193.85
Echo PB 755 S52.436.6$1,167.54$204.99
Husqvarna 570 BTS52.636.5$1,171.99$209.44
Husqvarna 580 BTS59.432.3$1,323.51$360.96
RedMax EBZ 850059.832.1$1,332.42$369.87
STIHL BR 60043.244.5$962.55

Fuel consumption data provided by a third party independent laboratory: IAVF Antriebstechnik GmbH. Two-cycle engine oil cost per gallon is included in figure and is based on an MSRP of $1.10 per 2.6 oz. bottle of STIHL High Performance Two-cycle Engine Oil. All company names are trademarks of their respective companies.
 
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