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Seat saftey switch
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imatthewfrix
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Let me say that, what I want to do keeps the safety switch functional and safe, using a bush button to bypass the safety switch, but if I was to fall of the mower my hand or fingure would come off the button and the safety switch will function properly and shut the mower off...
I have a pretty steep hill i have to cut and i cant go up and down it i have to run sideways.. and its a pain in the ... to lean over and keep the seat safety pushed down, so I come up with an idea to wire the seat safety switch to a push button that i can push to bypass the safety switch till i let go of the button. but iv tried every way possible to jump wires together and nothing seems to work.. Only way I seem to get it bypassed is to unplug the seat and reverse safety switch under the dash but I want to keep both of them functional I just to to be able to hold a button down to bypass the seat safety till i let the button go.
Does anyone know which wires bypass the seat safety?
Heres a pic of the seat safety switch connecter
And the two black wires is just like a jumper wire or something it just goes from the far left and jumps over the the 3 black wire..
I have a pretty steep hill i have to cut and i cant go up and down it i have to run sideways.. and its a pain in the ... to lean over and keep the seat safety pushed down, so I come up with an idea to wire the seat safety switch to a push button that i can push to bypass the safety switch till i let go of the button. but iv tried every way possible to jump wires together and nothing seems to work.. Only way I seem to get it bypassed is to unplug the seat and reverse safety switch under the dash but I want to keep both of them functional I just to to be able to hold a button down to bypass the seat safety till i let the button go.
Does anyone know which wires bypass the seat safety?
Heres a pic of the seat safety switch connecter
And the two black wires is just like a jumper wire or something it just goes from the far left and jumps over the the 3 black wire..
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#3
Carscw
Carscw
Can you not just put your hand on the seat and steer with one hand. I have some hills I do and sit next to the seat and just put my hand on the seat.
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
#4
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imatthewfrix
Thats sorta what I do, I would just like to have the button to use so I'm a little more comfortable
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imatthewfrix
Can you not just put your hand on the seat and steer with one hand. I have some hills I do and sit next to the seat and just put my hand on the seat.
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
Thats sorta what I do, I would just like to have the button to use so I'm a little more comfortable
#5
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Rivets
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Rivets
Hate to say this, but all the good techs are not going the tell you how to change, bypass, or alter any safety devices. It is against the law for us to do so. Just to let you know that if you take it in to a reputable repair shop for service, they will remove any alteration and put it back in as manufactured condition, at your expense.
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imatthewfrix
Well I know its "illegal" and I do service on my own mower so I dont have to worry about the repair people changing everything back. I don't really like the having other people working on my mower..
Maybe someone could PM how to do it just tell me which wires i need to do what with..
I also don't plan on selling it and if I was to sell it I would put everything back the way it was.. But for now I plan on keeping it till the motor blows..
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imatthewfrix
Hate to say this, but all the good techs are not going the tell you how to change, bypass, or alter any safety devices. It is against the law for us to do so. Just to let you know that if you take it in to a reputable repair shop for service, they will remove any alteration and put it back in as manufactured condition, at your expense.
Well I know its "illegal" and I do service on my own mower so I dont have to worry about the repair people changing everything back. I don't really like the having other people working on my mower..
Maybe someone could PM how to do it just tell me which wires i need to do what with..
I also don't plan on selling it and if I was to sell it I would put everything back the way it was.. But for now I plan on keeping it till the motor blows..
#7
Carscw
I agree
I am not a tech but I will not tell you how.
I know the dang switches can be a pain in the butt
I blame all the dumb fools that have cut there fingers or foot off. Did the think the blades would just stop when it's hit there hand?
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
Carscw
Hate to say this, but all the good techs are not going the tell you how to change, bypass, or alter any safety devices. It is against the law for us to do so. Just to let you know that if you take it in to a reputable repair shop for service, they will remove any alteration and put it back in as manufactured condition, at your expense.
I agree
I am not a tech but I will not tell you how.
I know the dang switches can be a pain in the butt
I blame all the dumb fools that have cut there fingers or foot off. Did the think the blades would just stop when it's hit there hand?
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
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imatthewfrix
Its not like Im 13, Ive been running a mower since I was 13 so what 5 years every week every summer... I know what Im doing when Im cutting and I know accidents happen..
I just want to hook my seat safety switch up to a momentary rocker switch so when i press it down it bypasses the safety switch and when I let go it goes back and engages the safety switch to work properly
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imatthewfrix
I agree
I am not a tech but I will not tell you how.
I know the dang switches can be a pain in the butt
I blame all the dumb fools that have cut there fingers or foot off. Did the think the blades would just stop when it's hit there hand?
(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))
Its not like Im 13, Ive been running a mower since I was 13 so what 5 years every week every summer... I know what Im doing when Im cutting and I know accidents happen..
I just want to hook my seat safety switch up to a momentary rocker switch so when i press it down it bypasses the safety switch and when I let go it goes back and engages the safety switch to work properly
#9
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Rivets
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Rivets
When you ask a question and don't like the answer, why get mad at those that answer you. You know it is illegal to alter safety features, but still get mad at those of us when we won't help you do something illegal. We are not 13 either and have learned (sometimes the hard way) that you have to play within the rules, even if we don't like or agree with them. As I said earlier, no reputable tech will tell you how, especially here where no one even knows who you are. We have to protect ourselves, and you may not believe this, but it is not that hard to identify most members.
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imatthewfrix
Im not mad, not at al, its just a little frustrating that i cant figure it out and that no one can seem to help me. Iv searched google for 2 hours and cant find nothing im looking for, and i peetty sure i read some tthreads on here about someone wanting bypass there safety switch and they had no problem getting and answer
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imatthewfrix
When you ask a question and don't like the answer, why get mad at those that answer you. You know it is illegal to alter safety features, but still get mad at those of us when we won't help you do something illegal. We are not 13 either and have learned (sometimes the hard way) that you have to play within the rules, even if we don't like or agree with them. As I said earlier, no reputable tech will tell you how, especially here where no one even knows who you are. We have to protect ourselves, and you may not believe this, but it is not that hard to identify most members.
Im not mad, not at al, its just a little frustrating that i cant figure it out and that no one can seem to help me. Iv searched google for 2 hours and cant find nothing im looking for, and i peetty sure i read some tthreads on here about someone wanting bypass there safety switch and they had no problem getting and answer
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tom-ky
Curious question, turned wrenches for about 30 years now but not on mowers. How can you remove any alteration and charge the owner to do so without their permission? It is their property and they have to authorize any repairs. You have the responsibility to tell them it is wrong and hopefully document it in writing. I have worked on equipment man lifts and cranes, we could inform the owner it was unsafe but it was their equipment so they did as they pleased. I know it is not right but it happens.
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tom-ky
Hate to say this, but all the good techs are not going the tell you how to change, bypass, or alter any safety devices. It is against the law for us to do so. Just to let you know that if you take it in to a reputable repair shop for service, they will remove any alteration and put it back in as manufactured condition, at your expense.
Curious question, turned wrenches for about 30 years now but not on mowers. How can you remove any alteration and charge the owner to do so without their permission? It is their property and they have to authorize any repairs. You have the responsibility to tell them it is wrong and hopefully document it in writing. I have worked on equipment man lifts and cranes, we could inform the owner it was unsafe but it was their equipment so they did as they pleased. I know it is not right but it happens.
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Rivets
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When you see changes to any safety devises, you must inform the customer that he has to make one of two choises, either he will take the unit somewhere else or you get everything back to manufactured order and work on their unit. Even if is just a tune-up or blade sharpening. It also has to do with your liability coverage, where they spell out the rules very carefully. Even asking the to sign waivers does not hold up in ground in this day and age. CYA, is it worth your livelihood if you are in this business???
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tom-ky
We can't do that in our business. I am a factory field rep for a large equipment manufacturer that has equipment in industrial and commercial equipment. We can tag the unit out, inform the customer that it is unsafe, document it on the work order but it is their equipment and they choose what to do with it. Amazing how different industries operate and my employer is a company with over 2,000 employees, over 400 field reps like me. I personally bill about $150,000 in labor a year so they are not a small time business.
For what it is worth I would not do business with a business that made repairs that I did not approve, from the shop's stand point if I felt the unit was unsafe, I would quote the proper repairs and if the customer refused I would refuse to work on it to CYA.
Rivets, Never had a mower worked on as I do my own work. Is that standard practice? Not picking a argument but just curious. I have been in auto and truck fleets, industrial and construction equipment and they could never get away with that.
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tom-ky
When you see changes to any safety devises, you must inform the customer that he has to make one of two choises, either he will take the unit somewhere else or you get everything back to manufactured order and work on their unit. Even if is just a tune-up or blade sharpening. It also has to do with your liability coverage, where they spell out the rules very carefully. Even asking the to sign waivers does not hold up in ground in this day and age. CYA, is it worth your livelihood if you are in this business???
We can't do that in our business. I am a factory field rep for a large equipment manufacturer that has equipment in industrial and commercial equipment. We can tag the unit out, inform the customer that it is unsafe, document it on the work order but it is their equipment and they choose what to do with it. Amazing how different industries operate and my employer is a company with over 2,000 employees, over 400 field reps like me. I personally bill about $150,000 in labor a year so they are not a small time business.
For what it is worth I would not do business with a business that made repairs that I did not approve, from the shop's stand point if I felt the unit was unsafe, I would quote the proper repairs and if the customer refused I would refuse to work on it to CYA.
Rivets, Never had a mower worked on as I do my own work. Is that standard practice? Not picking a argument but just curious. I have been in auto and truck fleets, industrial and construction equipment and they could never get away with that.
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Rivets
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Rivets
Maybe my last post wasn't clear. Our customer has to make a choice, either go some place else or have the alterations outback before we do any work on their unit. I know there are people who will repair altered units, but not us. You and I are working with a totally different customer base and mentality. I deal with people who have no idea how their equipment works and proper maintainance. That's one reason we have to do it this way.
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tom-ky
Oh the dummies are on my side too, companies buy $50,000 machine and pay minimum wage for somebody to run it. Time to do maintenance and they freak out at the price, these things have lots of wear parts on them and they don't understand you have to do more than change oil. I applaud you for wanting to do things right, one lawsuit could ruin you. I just did not see the part about the choice, my bad for overlooking that.
There are a lot of people out in the work force running equipment that make me wonder how they find their way home at the end of the day. So I really understand the part about how people don't understand how things work, I make lots of service calls over operator errors.
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tom-ky
Maybe my last post wasn't clear. Our customer has to make a choice, either go some place else or have the alterations outback before we do any work on their unit. I know there are people who will repair altered units, but not us. You and I are working with a totally different customer base and mentality. I deal with people who have no idea how their equipment works and proper maintainance. That's one reason we have to do it this way.
Oh the dummies are on my side too, companies buy $50,000 machine and pay minimum wage for somebody to run it. Time to do maintenance and they freak out at the price, these things have lots of wear parts on them and they don't understand you have to do more than change oil. I applaud you for wanting to do things right, one lawsuit could ruin you. I just did not see the part about the choice, my bad for overlooking that.
There are a lot of people out in the work force running equipment that make me wonder how they find their way home at the end of the day. So I really understand the part about how people don't understand how things work, I make lots of service calls over operator errors.
#17
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imatthewfrix
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Im with tom on this, i made my mower unsafe for a reason why would i want some stupid repair shop make my mower safe again and overcharge me for it... i do my own work and my own maintnace. Ive been to a lawn mower shop 4 times and that was to buy a coil that had to be order, go pick it up and the same for 2head gaskets i had to buy..
But after i got overcharged for the coil i bought i wont go back to a repair shop i buy my parts onlne.. another reason i do my own maintnence is i ask a them at the repair shop what the torque specs were fpr my head bolts and they told me "oh we dont torque them down we just crank them on with an impact"
Well whether head bolts on a mower need to be torque down or not i know you shouldnt use an impact on them.. and im not talking about some little repair shop in an barn im talking about one thats been here for years, there dealers to.
But anyways we stop this thread cause i figured it out, i had to start cutting wires on my mower to figure it out cause no one would tell me how to do it...
But after i got overcharged for the coil i bought i wont go back to a repair shop i buy my parts onlne.. another reason i do my own maintnence is i ask a them at the repair shop what the torque specs were fpr my head bolts and they told me "oh we dont torque them down we just crank them on with an impact"
Well whether head bolts on a mower need to be torque down or not i know you shouldnt use an impact on them.. and im not talking about some little repair shop in an barn im talking about one thats been here for years, there dealers to.
But anyways we stop this thread cause i figured it out, i had to start cutting wires on my mower to figure it out cause no one would tell me how to do it...
#18
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Rivets
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Rivets
I'm the mechanic at your stupid repair shop who you are asking for assistance in your posts. Guess I know where the techs and mechanics on this forum stand in your eyes. Glad most people don't feel the same as you or I would have to waste all my time here.
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tom-ky
I am not bashing Rivets just trying clarify what he was saying. I have turned wrenches for about 30 years and try to do the right repair. Patched lots of things at owner's requests before but really strive for safe repairs. Drove off and left equipment in the field before because someone wanted it running but could not do so safely. Don't bash him for trying to do what is right, if he skimps on a repair and some one got hurt he would feel responsible. I only questioned him regarding making the repairs without the owner's approval, which he says he gets of sends them down the road. I agree with what he is doing, only thing I would complain about is someone doing the repairs without approval.
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tom-ky
Im with tom on this, i made my mower unsafe for a reason why would i want some stupid repair shop make my mower safe again and overcharge me for it... i do my own work and my own maintnace. Ive been to a lawn mower shop 4 times and that was to buy a coil that had to be order, go pick it up and the same for 2head gaskets i had to buy..
But after i got overcharged for the coil i bought i wont go back to a repair shop i buy my parts onlne.. another reason i do my own maintnence is i ask a them at the repair shop what the torque specs were fpr my head bolts and they told me "oh we dont torque them down we just crank them on with an impact"
Well whether head bolts on a mower need to be torque down or not i know you shouldnt use an impact on them.. and im not talking about some little repair shop in an barn im talking about one thats been here for years, there dealers to.
But anyways we stop this thread cause i figured it out, i had to start cutting wires on my mower to figure it out cause no one would tell me how to do it...
I am not bashing Rivets just trying clarify what he was saying. I have turned wrenches for about 30 years and try to do the right repair. Patched lots of things at owner's requests before but really strive for safe repairs. Drove off and left equipment in the field before because someone wanted it running but could not do so safely. Don't bash him for trying to do what is right, if he skimps on a repair and some one got hurt he would feel responsible. I only questioned him regarding making the repairs without the owner's approval, which he says he gets of sends them down the road. I agree with what he is doing, only thing I would complain about is someone doing the repairs without approval.
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imatthewfrix
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The neighbor wanted to know if there was a way to allow his mower to go in reverse while the deck was engaged cause everytime he disengaged the deck the belt would pop off, so i told him yeah, i unhooked the reverse safety switch and it went in reverse with the deck engaged.. a little while later he took his mower to the same repair shop/dealer i mentioned above to get an oil change along with new belts and blades installed, you know how he got it back?
With the reverse safety switch still unplugged and then 2 days later the motor lost compression.. what a bunch of great mechanics there.. and again this repair shop/dealer has been around for, id say 50+ years..
With the reverse safety switch still unplugged and then 2 days later the motor lost compression.. what a bunch of great mechanics there.. and again this repair shop/dealer has been around for, id say 50+ years..