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Riding Mower Issues
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blaine3119
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blaine3119
New member here in need of help. I have used the search tool and come up with nothing. I have a riding mower DYT4000 917.273634. Was running fine, made a weird noise and stopped. I ran it LOW on oil, not out. Flywheel was stuck and i was playing with the pulley underneath the mower and the flywheel broke free. It turns over great now but won't start. I checked the flywheel key and it is fine, plug looked kind of bad so I replaced it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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mechanic mark
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mechanic mark
917273634 CRAFTSMAN TRACTOR Manual | SearsPartsDirect Check first for blown fuse between ignition switch & solenoid. Rule of thumb, ALWAYS check oil level before & after mowing. Check out wiring diagram page 31 in manual posted above.
Results your engine, check air filter for replacement & adjust valves per B&S specs.
https://www.briggsandstratton.com/u...manuals/repair-manual-for-single-cylinder-ohv posting this in case you're interested,good deal, your engine.
Check all wiring & connections, hands on, for being tight & secure, ground cables & straps also. Purchase an inexpensive multi-meter tool at sears and troubleshoot system, cranking, safety switches, etc. & locate problem. This way you can isolate problem vs. thinking it's this or that & changing out parts. Let us know what you find.
Results your engine, check air filter for replacement & adjust valves per B&S specs.
https://www.briggsandstratton.com/u...manuals/repair-manual-for-single-cylinder-ohv posting this in case you're interested,good deal, your engine.
Check all wiring & connections, hands on, for being tight & secure, ground cables & straps also. Purchase an inexpensive multi-meter tool at sears and troubleshoot system, cranking, safety switches, etc. & locate problem. This way you can isolate problem vs. thinking it's this or that & changing out parts. Let us know what you find.
#3
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blaine3119
Thanks for the quick reply, I shall check the oil first from this point forward, I do it for the motorcycle, not sure why I don't check the mower. Fuse is good.
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blaine3119
917273634 CRAFTSMAN TRACTOR Manual | SearsPartsDirect Check first for blown fuse between ignition switch & solenoid. Rule of thumb, ALWAYS check oil level before & after mowing.
Thanks for the quick reply, I shall check the oil first from this point forward, I do it for the motorcycle, not sure why I don't check the mower. Fuse is good.
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hrdman2luv
What kind of "weird noise" did it make? LOL, I know typing out a weird noise is hard to do..
Since it turns over "great" now, It's probably not the valves out of adjustment. Are you getting fire to the plugs? If not, then you might want to check the coil to make sure it didn't get too close to the flywheel or too far away...(using a business card while the magnets are lined up with the coil) This could be why the engine froze up.
Question: When it died, did it died instantly. As in a quick stop. Or was is a normal die like when you turn the key off?
If you're getting fire, Then it could be either a safety switch problem or a carb problem.
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hrdman2luv
New member here in need of help. I have used the search tool and come up with nothing. I have a riding mower DYT4000 917.273634. Was running fine, made a weird noise and stopped. I ran it LOW on oil, not out. Flywheel was stuck and i was playing with the pulley underneath the mower and the flywheel broke free. It turns over great now but won't start. I checked the flywheel key and it is fine, plug looked kind of bad so I replaced it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
What kind of "weird noise" did it make? LOL, I know typing out a weird noise is hard to do..
Since it turns over "great" now, It's probably not the valves out of adjustment. Are you getting fire to the plugs? If not, then you might want to check the coil to make sure it didn't get too close to the flywheel or too far away...(using a business card while the magnets are lined up with the coil) This could be why the engine froze up.
Question: When it died, did it died instantly. As in a quick stop. Or was is a normal die like when you turn the key off?
If you're getting fire, Then it could be either a safety switch problem or a carb problem.
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blaine3119
It just did not sound right then I heard something "break". I am getting good spark, already checked that. It died instantly. I am not getting fuel to the carb, I bypassed the fuel pump and still did not work. Fuel filter and pump are ok though, figure it is a back pressure issue since something is not working. It turns over way too easy, like it is just the flywheel spinning and it is not attached to anything. I also pulled the flywheel and checked the key and it is good. Thanks.
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blaine3119
What kind of "weird noise" did it make? LOL, I know typing out a weird noise is hard to do..
Since it turns over "great" now, It's probably not the valves out of adjustment. Are you getting fire to the plugs? If not, then you might want to check the coil to make sure it didn't get too close to the flywheel or too far away...(using a business card while the magnets are lined up with the coil) This could be why the engine froze up.
Question: When it died, did it died instantly. As in a quick stop. Or was is a normal die like when you turn the key off?
If you're getting fire, Then it could be either a safety switch problem or a carb problem.
It just did not sound right then I heard something "break". I am getting good spark, already checked that. It died instantly. I am not getting fuel to the carb, I bypassed the fuel pump and still did not work. Fuel filter and pump are ok though, figure it is a back pressure issue since something is not working. It turns over way too easy, like it is just the flywheel spinning and it is not attached to anything. I also pulled the flywheel and checked the key and it is good. Thanks.
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hrdman2luv
I know you probably can't, but if you can, check to see if the pulley on the bottom of the mower is turning when you try to start it. Your starter turns the flywheel only. If the crank is broke, then that's all that will turn from the breaking point to the flywheel.. The noise you heard, did it sound "internal".. As in coming from the engine?
How do you know the head isn't getting any fuel through the carb? Can you look down through the carb to see the main inlet where the gas comes from the line?
Sorry for all the questions.. but, I need more information.
"Data data data... I can't build bricks without clay"........... Sherlock Holmes
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hrdman2luv
It just did not sound right then I heard something "break". I am getting good spark, already checked that. It died instantly. I am not getting fuel to the carb, I bypassed the fuel pump and still did not work. Fuel filter and pump are ok though, figure it is a back pressure issue since something is not working. It turns over way too easy, like it is just the flywheel spinning and it is not attached to anything. I also pulled the flywheel and checked the key and it is good. Thanks.
I know you probably can't, but if you can, check to see if the pulley on the bottom of the mower is turning when you try to start it. Your starter turns the flywheel only. If the crank is broke, then that's all that will turn from the breaking point to the flywheel.. The noise you heard, did it sound "internal".. As in coming from the engine?
How do you know the head isn't getting any fuel through the carb? Can you look down through the carb to see the main inlet where the gas comes from the line?
Sorry for all the questions.. but, I need more information.
"Data data data... I can't build bricks without clay"........... Sherlock Holmes
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blaine3119
Lifted the mower up with my motorcycle lift. The shaft that comes down from the engine is turning but no pulleys are turning. The noise did sound internal from engine. The fuel filter is empty and I did look inside when I took the top off and saw no gas entering the carb. Thanks for all the help.
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blaine3119
I know you probably can't, but if you can, check to see if the pulley on the bottom of the mower is turning when you try to start it. Your starter turns the flywheel only. If the crank is broke, then that's all that will turn from the breaking point to the flywheel.. The noise you heard, did it sound "internal".. As in coming from the engine?
How do you know the head isn't getting any fuel through the carb? Can you look down through the carb to see the main inlet where the gas comes from the line?
Sorry for all the questions.. but, I need more information.
"Data data data... I can't build bricks without clay"........... Sherlock Holmes
Lifted the mower up with my motorcycle lift. The shaft that comes down from the engine is turning but no pulleys are turning. The noise did sound internal from engine. The fuel filter is empty and I did look inside when I took the top off and saw no gas entering the carb. Thanks for all the help.
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blaine3119
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blaine3119
One other thing I have noticed is that the mower is really easy to push now. I don't think I could even push it before all this happened. Thanks!!!!
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Carscw
Carscw
Take the spark plug out and turn the engine over by hand. Can you see the piston come up and go back down?
Pushes easy.
While pushing it look and see if both axles are turning the same direction.
Pushes easy.
While pushing it look and see if both axles are turning the same direction.
#10
7394
If you can, put your finger over the plug hole & rotate engine to see if it has much compression.. But doing comp test would give a low reading due to the compression releases designed into the camshaft.
7394
Take the spark plug out and turn the engine over by hand. Can you see the piston come up and go back down?
If you can, put your finger over the plug hole & rotate engine to see if it has much compression.. But doing comp test would give a low reading due to the compression releases designed into the camshaft.
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hrdman2luv
That doesn't compute in my brain......... There's a keyway that fit's between the pulleys and crankshaft and a bolt that tights the pulleys to the crankshaft.
BUT.... Since the shaft it turning, that doesn't explain why your not getting fuel...
Do you have gas in it? (I know, that's a stupid question) But sometimes I overlook the stupidest things... (As in some of my posted questions)
BTW, does you engine have a fuel pump? Or is it gravity fed? (With the fuel tank being higher than the carb)
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hrdman2luv
Lifted the mower up with my motorcycle lift. The shaft that comes down from the engine is turning but no pulleys are turning. The noise did sound internal from engine. The fuel filter is empty and I did look inside when I took the top off and saw no gas entering the carb. Thanks for all the help.
That doesn't compute in my brain......... There's a keyway that fit's between the pulleys and crankshaft and a bolt that tights the pulleys to the crankshaft.
BUT.... Since the shaft it turning, that doesn't explain why your not getting fuel...
Do you have gas in it? (I know, that's a stupid question) But sometimes I overlook the stupidest things... (As in some of my posted questions)
BTW, does you engine have a fuel pump? Or is it gravity fed? (With the fuel tank being higher than the carb)
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SeniorCitizen
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SeniorCitizen
Mechanics 101.00
When an engine suddenly stops with with a strange , weird or unusual noise, the spark plug is to be pulled to check compression. To do that test at no cost, your thumb or finger, if you like to give it the finger, is placed over the plug hole and the engine is cranked. If there is enough compression to start the engine you'll have a difficult time holding your thumb or finger on the hole. If not, start looking for another engine or parts that are determined after tear down.
There is no need to check fuses, mod. numbers, tire pressure or oil level. That's only hopeful measures that are moot at this time.
When an engine suddenly stops with with a strange , weird or unusual noise, the spark plug is to be pulled to check compression. To do that test at no cost, your thumb or finger, if you like to give it the finger, is placed over the plug hole and the engine is cranked. If there is enough compression to start the engine you'll have a difficult time holding your thumb or finger on the hole. If not, start looking for another engine or parts that are determined after tear down.
There is no need to check fuses, mod. numbers, tire pressure or oil level. That's only hopeful measures that are moot at this time.
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Carscw
I was really going with the low tire pressure or the exhaust fuse.
Carscw
Mechanics 101.00 When an engine suddenly stops with with a strange , weird or unusual noise, the spark plug is to be pulled to check compression. To do that test at no cost, your thumb or finger, if you like to give it the finger, is placed over the plug hole and the engine is cranked. If there is enough compression to start the engine you'll have a difficult time holding your thumb or finger on the hole. If not, start looking for another engine or parts that are determined after tear down. There is no need to check fuses, mod. numbers, tire pressure or oil level. That's only hopeful measures that are moot at this time.
I was really going with the low tire pressure or the exhaust fuse.
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blaine3119
Thanks everyone for all the help. The engine has zero compression. Looked at the piston, not moving at all. Took a dowel rod and stuck in the spark plug hole and was able to push the piston back easily. Now the flywheel is locked again like before, it will only turn 1/8 of a turn and freezes. I did try filling up the left front tire, it was a little low but that did not help :confused2: !!!! New mower is being delivered Thursday but I am still going to fix this one, looks like a fun winter project. Any links would be appreciated to tear it down. Thanks again for all the help.
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blaine3119
Mechanics 101.00
When an engine suddenly stops with with a strange , weird or unusual noise, the spark plug is to be pulled to check compression. To do that test at no cost, your thumb or finger, if you like to give it the finger, is placed over the plug hole and the engine is cranked. If there is enough compression to start the engine you'll have a difficult time holding your thumb or finger on the hole. If not, start looking for another engine or parts that are determined after tear down.
There is no need to check fuses, mod. numbers, tire pressure or oil level. That's only hopeful measures that are moot at this time.
Thanks everyone for all the help. The engine has zero compression. Looked at the piston, not moving at all. Took a dowel rod and stuck in the spark plug hole and was able to push the piston back easily. Now the flywheel is locked again like before, it will only turn 1/8 of a turn and freezes. I did try filling up the left front tire, it was a little low but that did not help :confused2: !!!! New mower is being delivered Thursday but I am still going to fix this one, looks like a fun winter project. Any links would be appreciated to tear it down. Thanks again for all the help.
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SeniorCitizen
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SeniorCitizen
I sure hope you didn't use all your air on that left front tire. I don't like being the bearer of bad news but you may need some to air a leaky tire on the new mower. :laughing:
We'll need a pic of that new tractor or it didn't happen.
We'll need a pic of that new tractor or it didn't happen.
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7394
7394
R.I.P.