Good thought. So I found a video of someone doing a compression test on the same engine as I have. He went through it and made no mention of a compression release. He came out with readings over 100 and the only difference he did is to remove all four spark plugs to do the test. I just took out one at a time when I did mine so tomorrow morning I will replicate his procedure and takeoff four out. I will report back my findingsDoes the engine have compression release, which would account for the low compression
Years back I did have a two cylinder 650 Yamaha had a compression release. It was a manual lever underneath the clutch lever that you would pull in to start the bike. Just more of a manual release.I've never heard of motorcycles having a compression release. I've worked on a few, but haven't done compression tests on any.
If the engine is starting and running, you have considerably more than 65 psi compression. A healthy 4-stroke will have 110 to 160 psi. There has to be a compression release on camshaft. Try to find detailed engine specs online for compression readings on your bike. Better yet, if there are concerns, do a leak down test to pinpoint problems.I hope I don’t get thrown off for this, but I’m having problems with the compression test, but this is on a four-cylinder motorcycle. I didn’t know where else to ask, but I thought you guys could be a big help.
I bought a compression test kit at Harbor Freight and hooked it up as I should in a while. Turning the engine over with the throttle open. It only reads about 65 pounds for each of the four cylinders. I thought the gauge was faulty and I exchange it Harbor Freight for a new one does exactly the same. How can I only be getting 65 pounds. The engine would never run at that level. The engine does run fine, but I’m just trying to take a test to determine how the cylinders are. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Yes, remove all spark plugs when doing compression as well as full throttle. The starter is fighting the compression of the other 3 cylinders. You want it spinning as freely as possible for checking compression.Good thought. So I found a video of someone doing a compression test on the same engine as I have. He went through it and made no mention of a compression release. He came out with readings over 100 and the only difference he did is to remove all four spark plugs to do the test. I just took out one at a time when I did mine so tomorrow morning I will replicate his procedure and takeoff four out. I will report back my findings
Well today, I did take all the spark plugs out and check the compression while holding open the throttle. Still got the same 65 may be a pound or so more. Then I also had the engine running and checked the compression in one of the cylinders and it was still the same. I’m really baffled. Could certain engines actually run with 65 pounds? I’m lost.Yes, remove all spark plugs when doing compression as well as full throttle. The starter is fighting the compression of the other 3 cylinders. You want it spinning as freely as possible for checking compression.
I am not at the bike now until Sunday. I will check to see what the bottom of the connector looks like. It advertises that is good for motorcycles and small engines. Of course that’s their advertisementThe cheap HF compression tester doesn't have the Schrader valves at the end of the hose. You can't use it for small engines or motorcycle engines
It it ain't like this it ain't gonna work
Did you remove all the plugs when you checked the compression after the engine was running??Well today, I did take all the spark plugs out and check the compression while holding open the throttle. Still got the same 65 may be a pound or so more. Then I also had the engine running and checked the compression in one of the cylinders and it was still the same. I’m really baffled. Could certain engines actually run with 65 pounds? I’m lost.
Yes I did. I’m lost over these findings.Did you remove all the plugs when you checked the compression after the engine was running??
All single cylinder motorcycles over 250 have a compression releaseI've never heard of motorcycles having a compression release. I've worked on a few, but haven't done compression tests on any.
First of all what motorcycle are you talking about ?Yes I did. I’m lost over these findings.
Around 75 psi (give or take) is about the minimum for a 4-stroke small engine to start and run. Obviously, you have a compression release, or your gauge is inaccurate. Put a little oil into the cylinder and test it again. If the reading increases substantially, you have worn piston rings. Don’t get too focused on compression numbers if engine is starting and running strong. Perform a leak down test if it is bothering you that much.Yes I did. I’m lost over these findings.
That is because you Yanks are so tough . or perhaps just heavy ."All single cylinder motorcycles over 250 have a compression release"
My kawasaki 350 Bighorn didn't have a compression release.
This is a 4 cylinder 650 1980 Yamaha with electric start. I really don’t believe there is a acr on this bike.All single cylinder motorcycles over 250 have a compression release
Most kick start twins had a compression release
IT changed when our friends at Nippon Denso managed to make a reduction gear starter that was small enough & cheap enough to fit to a motorcycle
Not sure about old HD's but there is no way any one under 300 lbs will kick my G 14 BSA over without a compression release
Anybody who had a big 2 stroke single knew how to "straight leg" start a bike. Work the engine around to the compression stroke. Shove yourself up high enough to extend the leg on the kick start out straight and drop your body weight down on the straight leg. Trying to start it sitting on the seat and just kicking it usually resulted in a painful kickback.That is because you Yanks are so tough . or perhaps just heavy .
To be honest the last new bike I bought was an SR 500 Yamaha ( Street version of the XT ) and it had a valve lifter on it as did the XT .
Smaller engines can be walked past TDC but big ones tend to kick back .
Hello Mark yes in fact many older single cylinder motors had a valve lifter to ease starting, but not on modern engines that I know of.I've never heard of motorcycles having a compression release. I've worked on a few, but haven't done compression tests on any.
From the parts diagrams appears to be DOHC with no decompressor.This is a 4 cylinder 650 1980 Yamaha with electric start. I really don’t believe there is a acr on this bike.
Continental aircraft engines are good down to 40# per the mfg. 65 is not spectacular but is probably much higher when running. Should run.I hope I don’t get thrown off for this, but I’m having problems with the compression test, but this is on a four-cylinder motorcycle. I didn’t know where else to ask, but I thought you guys could be a big help.
I bought a compression test kit at Harbor Freight and hooked it up as I should in a while. Turning the engine over with the throttle open. It only reads about 65 pounds for each of the four cylinders. I thought the gauge was faulty and I exchange it Harbor Freight for a new one does exactly the same. How can I only be getting 65 pounds. The engine would never run at that level. The engine does run fine, but I’m just trying to take a test to determine how the cylinders are. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Stick the plugs back in the caps and ground them.....give the spark somewhere t go.....Good thought. So I found a video of someone doing a compression test on the same engine as I have. He went through it and made no mention of a compression release. He came out with readings over 100 and the only difference he did is to remove all four spark plugs to do the test. I just took out one at a time when I did mine so tomorrow morning I will replicate his procedure and takeoff four out. I will report back my findings
I have come to that conclusion. I just have to figure out why my number two cylinder is not firing. I have spark, and I had all four carbs off to rebuild them and was relatively sure they were all OK. But this week I’m gonna pull them back off and open up that one just to go over it. I’m sort of baffled over this whole deal.Why did you do this compression test in the first place?
I wouldn't worry too much, if each of your four cylinders is reading about the same you most likely have a bad gage even though you replaced it. You go to any well known auto supply store and borrow a compression gage or better yet, your engine is running on all four cylinders, don't go looking for problems you don't have.
Why if they're all 65psi?When did number 2 stop firing? It has spark, so the issue has to be fuel. Why would you take all the carbs off if only one cylinder isn't firing? I think you should check valve gap on number 2 before anything else.
Lets get to the basic reason of plugs out and battery charged. rotational rpm increase wil increase the reading significantly. A quick test we perform on recoil start engines is a slow pull and at tdc if little resistance, the rings and cylinder or valves are leaking a bit to maybe to much. Adding a few drops of oil then will confirm rings as the source if an increase of at least 10%. What I suggest is plugs out and you will see a rise in the reading. This is all due to the dynamics of leakage does exist and at what level over time which is the rate of revolution.I've always been taught that you should have a fully charged battery, all plugs out of the engine and wide open throttle.
That method has never failed me.
If you had the carbs off and apart have you synced the carbs?I have come to that conclusion. I just have to figure out why my number two cylinder is not firing. I have spark, and I had all four carbs off to rebuild them and was relatively sure they were all OK. But this week I’m gonna pull them back off and open up that one just to go over it. I’m sort of baffled over this whole deal.
Check the Spec's for that engine. Your engine seems OK but low across the 4. It would run at that level I believe.I hope I don’t get thrown off for this, but I’m having problems with the compression test, but this is on a four-cylinder motorcycle. I didn’t know where else to ask, but I thought you guys could be a big help.
I bought a compression test kit at Harbor Freight and hooked it up as I should in a while. Turning the engine over with the throttle open. It only reads about 65 pounds for each of the four cylinders. I thought the gauge was faulty and I exchange it Harbor Freight for a new one does exactly the same. How can I only be getting 65 pounds. The engine would never run at that level. The engine does run fine, but I’m just trying to take a test to determine how the cylinders are. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Yup.Full throttle. Plugs out. Check all cylinders and note results. Then insert a teaspoon of oil in each cylinder and retest. If the reading are significantly different you are loosing compression usually via rings. But I say don't worry, if it runs, get out on the road and enjoy it. Only consider compression readings when the engine is playing up as part of diagnostics
I agree with this. The compression may be reading low per spec, but you have to consider you're not using the same tools used by Yamaha when they created their spec. Not to mention if this bike hasn't ran in a while, it's possible it's got some gummed up rings, valves, etc that may affect your reading. Did you ever try adding some oil to the cylinders before a test, as others have mentioned?It's an interesting question, but it's mostly academic. Your best compression test is to run the motorcycle. If it runs smoothly and accelerates well, you have good compression, and that's all that matters.
It's often the test gague or your procedure. I've seen 80 psi on a chain saw, yet it performed perfectly. Always believe performance over a gague, unless you are a pilot flying on instruments in an aircraft, and in the clouds!
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This conversation still provided me with some good info. Thanks all!I hope I don’t get thrown off for this, but I’m having problems with the compression test, but this is on a four-cylinder motorcycle. I didn’t know where else to ask, but I thought you guys could be a big help.
I bought a compression test kit at Harbor Freight and hooked it up as I should in a while. Turning the engine over with the throttle open. It only reads about 65 pounds for each of the four cylinders. I thought the gauge was faulty and I exchange it Harbor Freight for a new one does exactly the same. How can I only be getting 65 pounds. The engine would never run at that level. The engine does run fine, but I’m just trying to take a test to determine how the cylinders are. Thanks for any help you can give me.
I hope I don’t get thrown off for this, but I’m having problems with the compression test, but this is on a four-cylinder motorcycle. I didn’t know where else to ask, but I thought you guys could be a big help.
I bought a compression test kit at Harbor Freight and hooked it up as I should in a while. Turning the engine over with the throttle open. It only reads about 65 pounds for each of the four cylinders. I thought the gauge was faulty and I exchange it Harbor Freight for a new one does exactly the same. How can I only be getting 65 pounds. The engine would never run at that level. The engine does run fine, but I’m just trying to take a test to determine how the cylinders are. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Manual 2-stroke compression releases were used for braking, when the drum brakes back then would wear out in one enduro, sometimes before it was over. Disc brakes solved that problem.Never seen a mechanical ACR on a multi cylinder 4 stroke bike. Honda did have one on the XL500S. It was a 500cc 4 stroke thumper that pretty much killed off the 2 strokes used in flat track racing. Back in the heyday of big single racing 2 strokes it was common to have a compression release activated by a lever on the handlebars. Wasn't used for starting but rather modulation of power while holding WOT.