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Price of mowers vs Benefits

#1

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macky

Guys, mowers are expensive where I am. But if the benefits outweigh the cost, I see no reason for shrinking from the investment.

Our lawn may be not as big as yours. Mine is about 600 square feet. But even if I have twice of thrice that, I still find it hard to justify a motorized mower in the face of a much cheaper manual reel mower. Should I be compelled to get a rotating blade, I would most likely opt for wired electric mowers.

Maybe I'm*just missing something. Why do you choose motorized mowers?


#2

173abn

173abn

Macky,elec. mower would'nt do the trick for me.I mow 2+ acres.I like that raw diesel power,it'll get me through grass,weeds and brush. russ


#3

M

mois25

From what I have gathered, electric mowers tend to be cleaner and lighter than their diesel counterparts. I tend to agree with the last post, it would not be practical using and electric-powered mower for a 2-acre field.


#4

L

Lucy

I have only a small area of grass to keep up like you, so I did not buy a power mower. I bought a manual reel mower for $80 and I love it! What do they say---choose the right tool for the job....?


#5

K

KennyV

Nothing wrong with a self powered push reel mower for smaller yards... as a kid I remember that is what everyone used... very rare to see a power mower then. :smile:KennyV


#6

N

noma

Hi Lucy

Those reel mower are great, if they work for you and your schedule. You have to have time to mow when it needs to be mower. If you let it get to long it will be hard to mower because it will be to hard to push, when it's so long. So what i'm saying is you need to be able to mow when it needs mowed. And with a gas mower there is a little more room for time to mow. It can grow a inch or two longer, and weather can be a problem to.:thumbdown:


#7

T

touree

That is true, the reel mowers are much economical. Taking a power for an acre or two does not look realistic at all. Choosing the right tool for the right job indeed!


#8

B

bret

I think the electric or push movers with no engines are only practical on small parcels of land. I have better than 5 acres, I could not imagine mowing it without an engine and I don't have a cord long enough to mow all that land!


#9

K

KennyV

5 acres, I could not imagine mowing it without an engine and I don't have a cord long enough to mow all that land!

That's when you would get a BATTERY powered rider... they are out there today...
John Deere had them back in the 70's ... The JD Electric 90. Great machines and you could run them quite a long while before you needed to plug in for an over night charge... Today there are electric ZTR's... Batteries they work great... :smile:KennyV


#10

Ric

Ric

Guys, mowers are expensive where I am. But if the benefits outweigh the cost, I see no reason for shrinking from the investment.

Our lawn may be not as big as yours. Mine is about 600 square feet. But even if I have twice of thrice that, I still find it hard to justify a motorized mower in the face of a much cheaper manual reel mower. Should I be compelled to get a rotating blade, I would most likely opt for wired electric mowers.

Maybe I'm*just missing something. Why do you choose motorized mowers?

If all you have is 600sq.ft. of lawn go down and by one of those $80 push mowers from walmart with a 3.5hp Briggs and the thing will last you forever.Walmart.com: Weed Eater 500 Series Push Lawn Mower: Lawn & Garden Care


#11

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jenkinsph

For 600sq ft. a good quality push type reel mower is perfect. I like the great cut quality of a reel mower on a manicured lawn. All it takes is initiative and a good regimen of frequent mowing to get a great appearance. It has been a long time since I used one but I would prefer it over a small gas rotary mower for 600sq ft.


#12

Ric

Ric

That's when you would get a BATTERY powered rider... they are out there today...
John Deere had them back in the 70's ... The JD Electric 90. Great machines and you could run them quite a long while before you needed to plug in for an over night charge... Today there are electric ZTR's... Batteries they work great... :smile:KennyV

Question if this battery stuff is so great why don't you see it in use, or people using the stuff. It really amazes me all the talk about battery operated hedgers, weed trimmers, edgers and mowers but I never see anyone using the stuff.View attachment 820

You say Today there are electric ZTR's and the Batteries and they work great, personally I don't think Up To 80 Minutes run time on a charge is so great and probably if you run into heavier grass you'll most likely cut that time down considerable. I don't see any benefit in Battery operated lawn equipment. :thumbdown:


#13

J

jenkinsph

Question if this battery stuff is so great why don't you see it in use, or people using the stuff. It really amazes me all the talk about battery operated hedgers, weed trimmers, edgers and mowers but I never see anyone using the stuff.View attachment 820

You say Today there are electric ZTR's and the Batteries and they work great, personally I don't think Up To 80 Minutes run time on a charge is so great and probably if you run into heavier grass you'll most likely cut that time down considerable. I don't see any benefit in Battery operated lawn equipment. :thumbdown:

I agree,
I have sooooo many battery powered hand tools with worthless battery packs that I wan't to revolt against buying more of these things. In the last couple of years I have reverted back to good quality hand tools either manual or corded depending on the tool.

Anyone who works with tools all day to make a living knows cheap tools are more costly to use than good tools. The vast majority of my tools are good, if they weren't I couldn't make enough of a profit to buy more of them.:wink:

Some people think everything has to be self powered, I don't feel this way. Sometimes a little exercise is good for the body and is the simplest way to work the job. With only 600sft of lawn any of us can mow that before you get the gas mower fueled up and ready to work.


#14

K

KennyV

Question if this battery stuff is so great why don't you see it in use, or people using the stuff.
It really amazes me all the talk about battery operated hedgers, weed trimmers, edgers and mowers but I never see anyone using the stuff.


You say Today there are electric ZTR's and the Batteries and they work great, personally I don't think Up To 80 Minutes run time on a charge is so great and probably if you run into heavier grass you'll most likely cut that time down considerable. I don't see any benefit in Battery operated lawn equipment.

Using a Zeon you can mow over an acre in that 80 minuets... That will just about take care of the average large lawn...

It will completely charge over night and be ready to get another acre + if you have an even LARGER yard...

As to benefits...
# Green friendly - zero emissions
# Nearly zero maintenance - just unplug and mow!
# Clean and neat - no belts, filters, fluids, etc.
# No engine noise - much quieter than gasoline-powered equipment!
# Compact design - mow in tighter spaces to increase productivity
# Very inexpensive to operate - electricity is cheaper and prices fluctuate less

I'm not saying that an electric ZTR is for every yard... But there are those just right sized yards that it is PERFECT for... A very high quality, easy to operate, quiet, and having looked at them, LONG lasting mower that is MANY notches above the average high end residential mower... :smile:KennyV


#15

K

KennyV

Anyone who works with tools all day to make a living knows cheap tools are more costly to use than good tools.

Thats right ... and anyone that works all day with cordless power tools, knows that you are not going to get by with a cheep battery operated tool, they will cost many times what a corded, quality tool will cost.

Cordless is needed in some situations, it's handy in some and possibly just convenient in others... but you are never going to be happy using a low end power tool corded or cordless.... :smile:KennyV


#16

Ric

Ric

Using a Zeon you can mow over an acre in that 80 minuets... That will just about take care of the average large lawn...

It will completely charge over night and be ready to get another acre + if you have an even LARGER yard...

As to benefits...
# Green friendly - zero emissions
# Nearly zero maintenance - just unplug and mow!
# Clean and neat - no belts, filters, fluids, etc.
# No engine noise - much quieter than gasoline-powered equipment!
# Compact design - mow in tighter spaces to increase productivity
# Very inexpensive to operate - electricity is cheaper and prices fluctuate less

I'm not saying that an electric ZTR is for every yard... But there are those just right sized yards that it is PERFECT for... A very high quality, easy to operate, quiet, and having looked at them, LONG lasting mower that is MANY notches above the average high end residential mower... :smile:KennyV

If you read the claims that Hustler is making they say UP TO 80 Minutes which tells me that run time will or is going to depend on the factors involved in usage like the type of grass you're cutting, height of the lawn, are there hills or slopes involved and so on. Combining all those factors can cut your run time and battery consumption drastically, and even with all the benefits described, I don't know if it will out weigh the price tag it's going to carry.

The other big drawback to battery operated equipment of most any kind is the cost of replacing the battery's and the battery's for that Hustler Zeon will not be cheap.


A very high quality, easy to operate, quiet, and having looked at them, LONG lasting mower that is MANY notches above the average high end residential mower... :smile:

KennyV
:giggle:


#17

K

KennyV

If you have a dealer near ... try one out ... you are going to find that you will get MORE than they list.
Hustler has always used very conservative ratings.

These mowers are designed to LAST a long time... priced reasonable for the life expectancy.
If I was in the market for a mower, this is what I would be getting. (and I mow considerably MORE than 3 acres).
I enjoy my diesel with a cab ZTR mower & it is going to easily last another 12 years +... So it's going to be a long while before I am buying a replacement.

Electric mowers WILL surprise you:thumbsup:, try one ... :smile:KennyV


#18

Ric

Ric

If you have a dealer near ... try one out ... you are going to find that you will get MORE than they list.
Hustler has always used very conservative ratings.

These mowers are designed to LAST a long time... priced reasonable for the life expectancy.
If I was in the market for a mower, this is what I would be getting. (and I mow considerably MORE than 3 acres).
I enjoy my diesel with a cab ZTR mower & it is going to easily last another 12 years +... So it's going to be a long while before I am buying a replacement.

Electric mowers WILL surprise you:thumbsup:, try one ... :smile:KennyV



As I asked before if this battery stuff is so great why don't you see it in use, or people using the stuff. I'm not a fan of anything battery operated, hedgers, weed trimmers, edgers or mowers when it comes to lawn-care.
John Deere, Cub Cadet and several others all tried there hand at Battery operated mowers and all were dropped and Hustler Zeon will be no different along with Cub Cadets residential propane S- series. These type mowers are all over rated and way over priced.


#19

J

jenkinsph

Thats right ... and anyone that works all day with cordless power tools, knows that you are not going to get by with a cheep battery operated tool, they will cost many times what a corded, quality tool will cost.

Cordless is needed in some situations, it's handy in some and possibly just convenient in others... but you are never going to be happy using a low end power tool corded or cordless.... :smile:KennyV




Kenny,
I have always purchased good brands of corded and battery tools such as Porter Cable, Miwaukee and Black and Decker Professiional. Again, I have had much better service from corded tools. I should add that in Porter Cable and Milwaukee cordless tools I have over 50 of these tools.

I should say that my best cordless tools are the 4520 cab, 110tlb cab and X749, none of which I consider cheep (cheap) tools.


#20

M

minkyung

Hi KennyV, I have question about this . . .
# Nearly zero maintenance - just unplug and mow!

Does this mean it's plugged the whole time before and after using? I am curious about the battery. Maybe there are better batteries these days. But the quality of batteries I know go down very fast, especially when plugged for a long time.


#21

K

KennyV

Hi KennyV, I have question about this . . .


But the quality of batteries I know go down very fast, especially when plugged for a long time.

That is a function of the charger management circuitry...
The older 'timer' chargers had no charge management... I think you will find that on "most" rechargeables today... :smile:KennyV


#22

Ric

Ric

Hi KennyV, I have question about this . . .


Does this mean it's plugged the whole time before and after using? I am curious about the battery. Maybe there are better batteries these days. But the quality of batteries I know go down very fast, especially when plugged for a long time.


It Means you plug in the batteries to bring them to full capacities or charge to mow and after use you have to recharge again. The problem with batteries is that they will only take so many charges before they lose the ability to hold a charge for any length of time. The Hustler Zeon I believe uses a 46 volt system and the batteries are a deep cycle battery like boat batteries and just like any battery they won't last forever and replacement isn't cheap.

Don't get me wrong, battery operated stuff has a place in some hand tools and such and it's meant for occasional use, but to have an 7 to 9 thousand dollar investment in a battery operated mower for around the house for the occasional use to me is senseless.


#23

K

KennyV

It Means you plug in the batteries to bring them to full capacities or charge to mow and after use you have to recharge again. The problem with batteries is that they will only take so many charges before they lose the ability to hold a charge for any length of time. The Hustler Zeon I believe uses a 46 volt system and the batteries are a deep cycle battery like boat batteries and just like any battery they won't last forever and replacement isn't cheap.

Don't get me wrong, battery operated stuff has a place in some hand tools and such and it's meant for occasional use, but to have an 7 to 9 thousand dollar investment in a battery operated mower for around the house for the occasional use to me is senseless.

"It Means you plug in the batteries to bring them to full capacities or charge to mow and after use you have to recharge again." ...Really? :laughing:

"The problem with batteries is that they will only take so many charges before they lose the ability to hold a charge for any length of time." Another REALLY?

"Just like any battery they won't last forever and replacement isn't cheap." 'they wont last forever'... REALLY? :laughing:

"The Hustler Zeon I believe uses a 46 volt system" Oh... REALLY??

"battery operated stuff has a place in some hand tools and such and it's meant for occasional use" One more, REALLY? (what percent of Scissor are battery operated? And all the other industrial applications that are predominantly battery operated? ...?

"an 7 to 9 thousand dollar investment in a battery operated mower for around the house for the occasional use to me is senseless." ARE you possibly wrong on the price... also:laughing:?

Like I suggested earlier... you MAY want to GO LOOK AT one of these, try it out... Oh and get operational costs over any period of time.. :laughing::laughing:


#24

Ric

Ric

"It Means you plug in the batteries to bring them to full capacities or charge to mow and after use you have to recharge again." ...Really? :laughing:

"The problem with batteries is that they will only take so many charges before they lose the ability to hold a charge for any length of time." Another REALLY?

"Just like any battery they won't last forever and replacement isn't cheap." 'they wont last forever'... REALLY? :laughing:

"The Hustler Zeon I believe uses a 46 volt system" Oh... REALLY??

"battery operated stuff has a place in some hand tools and such and it's meant for occasional use" One more, REALLY? (what percent of Scissor are battery operated? And all the other industrial applications that are predominantly battery operated? ...?

"an 7 to 9 thousand dollar investment in a battery operated mower for around the house for the occasional use to me is senseless." ARE you possibly wrong on the price... also:laughing:?

Like I suggested earlier... you MAY want to GO LOOK AT one of these, try it out... Oh and get operational costs over any period of time.. :laughing::laughing:


Yes Really on all accounts.:wink: It uses four 12-volt lead-acid batteries that powers twin DC deck motors. The batteries also power twin AC hydrostatic drive motors, one at each rear wheel and its top speed is only 6 mph. Am I possibly wrong about the price, only if pop mechanics is wrong, it costs right at $7000 and for a homeowner to invest that kind money to cut maybe a thousand feet of lawn is ridiculous. Operational costs? Lets see I mow 12 lawns a day at 30 minutes a lawn, that means I'll have to charge the batteries four times a day six days a week, I wonder how long they would last:thumbdown: a month maybe two? Heck that means I'll only replace the batteries four times a year :eek: And at the end of one season I wonder how many of those motors I'd have to replace?
Face the Facts, for a home owner the mower is to much of an investment, the home owner would be better off buying a ZTR from Home Depot and for commercial or residential lawn care, for a lack of a better term it's junk. :smile:


#25

K

KennyV

Well Ric...
You could check some of the things you stated as fact.

4 x 12 volts is not 46 volts :biggrin:
You must be using Ric math on the price also... "7 to 9 thousand dollar investment"
I have never shopped price at "pop mechanics"
I do know if you check a dealer... The "list price" is less than 7k ... I do not know very many folks that pay list... but I see you are ok with making it sound like 7 to 9 thousand...? :biggrin:



And operational costs ... actual operational costs, you might want to plug in some real #'s there also... :biggrin:

I realize you want to make this mower look bad:confused2:... I am simply suggesting that you actually LOOK at one.
and the actual stats... :smile:KennyV


#26

Ric

Ric

Well Ric...
You could check some of the things you stated as fact.

4 x 12 volts is not 46 volts :biggrin:
You must be using Ric math on the price also... "7 to 9 thousand dollar investment"
I have never shopped price at "pop mechanics"
I do know if you check a dealer... The "list price" is less than 7k ... I do not know very many folks that pay list... but I see you are ok with making it sound like 7 to 9 thousand...? :biggrin:



And operational costs ... actual operational costs, you might want to plug in some real #'s there also... :biggrin:

I realize you want to make this mower look bad:confused2:... I am simply suggesting that you actually LOOK at one.
and the actual stats... :smile:KennyV



Excuse me oops :ashamed: my mistake 48 volt and the price is 6500 to 6999 dollars depending on where you purchase it plus tax, you can figure tax for your state. I think my 7K out the door as I quoted is pretty close.
After running for 80 minutes the mower needs to be recharged. The recharge time to attain full charge takes 16 hours and it has to be left on charge continually 24/7 to maintain the charge.As far as making the mower look bad, it does that on it's own.

You keep suggesting that I actually LOOK at one. I don't want to look at one, as a home owner I have no use for one, it's way over priced and for anyone to use it in a commercial business is a joke, so why would I waste my time.

Actual operational costs, you want me to plug in some real numbers, Now how do you do that when Hustler themselves don't have real numbers only claims.
I as a home owner would really have a hard time paying 7K for a 42" ZTR when can buy a 50" ZTR for under 3k out the door with a 20 hp engine at Home depot.

Basically it all comes down to opinion Kenny, if you think the mower is the greatest thing since bubble gum go buy the thing, I wish you all the luck in the world, personally I wouldn't waste my time.


#27

K

KennyV

LOOK at one. I don't want to look at one,

I wouldn't waste my time.


( if you keep guessing at the price, you will eventually get closer.)

YOU should not waste YOUR time...
These grapes are much too sour for you!
:smile:KennyV


#28

Ric

Ric

( if you keep guessing at the price, you will eventually get closer.)

YOU should not waste YOUR time...
These grapes are much too sour for you!
:smile:KennyV

http://www.williamstractor.com/geta...9e0b-f6786b1f37aa/HUSTLER-PRICE-LIST.pdf.aspx

Hustler Zeon Electric Riding Mower | TekPicks

Smittys Lawn and Garden Equipment: Hustler Zeon Electric Mower

Hustler Zeon | MSE Hickman

I can list others but for you it would be a waste of time because I guess they're all wrong too BTW the top link is hustlers own price list and they list it at $6999 you will have to scroll down a bit to find the zeon.


#29

K

KennyV

Ric...
I believe if you would have just read what I said about 5 posts back... "The "list price" is less than 7k ... I do not know very many folks that pay list... but I see you are ok with making it sound like 7 to 9 thousand...?"

"YOU should not waste YOUR time...
These grapes are much too sour for you!"

I do know the manufacturers advertised LIST price... I am going to guess here that you may be a clever enough fellow not to pay list price on equipment, I could be wrong there. I don't know many more polite ways to put that.
:biggrin:KennyV

PS.
I would once again suggest that you actually look at one, perhaps try it out. You may discover something that you overlooked when you formed all your 'opinions' with your "I don't want to look at one" statement.

Having said this... I see it is all getting very repetitious and it is the end of the year... so I will leave this in the uncut lawns of 2010... I will move into 2011 with nothing but :smile::smile::smile: for this new year.


#30

Ric

Ric

Ric...
I believe if you would have just read what I said about 5 posts back... "The "list price" is less than 7k ... I do not know very many folks that pay list... but I see you are ok with making it sound like 7 to 9 thousand...?"

"YOU should not waste YOUR time...
These grapes are much too sour for you!"

I do know the manufacturers advertised LIST price... I am going to guess here that you may be a clever enough fellow not to pay list price on equipment, I could be wrong there. I don't know many more polite ways to put that.
:biggrin:KennyV

PS.
I would once again suggest that you actually look at one, perhaps try it out. You may discover something that you overlooked when you formed all your 'opinions' with your "I don't want to look at one" statement.

Having said this... I see it is all getting very repetitious and it is the end of the year... so I will leave this in the uncut lawns of 2010... I will move into 2011 with nothing but :smile::smile::smile: for this new year.

Kenny I just called a Hustler dealer, keeping in mind that I have said the cost is between 7K and 9K, I can buy the Zeon for $5999 plus $599 for the quick charger makes the mower $6599 without tax, with tax I think my 7K out the door as I quoted is pretty close. Figuring tax on just the $5999 it will still run real close to $6500 out the door as the quick charger is an option. Either way my 7K out the door as I quoted is pretty close and BTW the list price of $6999 list is correct.


#31

M

mois25

I hold the view that if you value quality then go for something that is expensive, and reasonably so for that matter. I believe in investing in something that will benefit me in the long run.


#32

J

jenkinsph

I hold the view that if you value quality then go for something that is expensive, and reasonably so for that matter. I believe in investing in something that will benefit me in the long run.


I wouldn't advise using "expensive" as a yardstick.:thumbdown: I agree that a a longer lasting mower may cost more than a lesser quality low cost mower. My X749 mower costs more than most riding mowers but that isn't why I have it. I selected this model because it was the best fit for my needs. It will do things my less costly mowers couldn't do at all.


#33

Grass ala Mowed

Grass ala Mowed

When I get my tax return I'm getting a Toro super recycler with the Kohler engine. Not cheap, but my last expensive mower was from a company that essentially went out of business (Troy-Bilt).

Then I had a couple of cheapies that die about 27 minutes out of warranty and the parts cost over 1/2 what I paid for the mower.

I have bad hip (inherited from my Dad's side) and need a self propelled mower, but there are two many narrow areas in my yard for a rider.

I figure Toro will be around for awhile and it has a 5 year warranty. Aluminum deck, washout port, Kohler OHV engine, 5 coupons for a free yearly blade sharpening. It'll cost less in the long run.


#34

K

KennyV

.... It'll cost less in the long run.

Quality generally dose "cost less in the long run"... :smile:KennyV


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