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Oscillating Idle then stall under load. Please help!

#1

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DC813

My Mower:
2010 Toro Briggs 6.75 Recycler Self Propelled
Model: 126T02/0299 B1

What I have done:
New Plug
New Plug Wire
New Gas Line
New Air Filter
Removed Bottom Bowl from Carb (Cleaned everything with Carb Cleaner [bowl, screw, both butterflies])

My problem:

When I start the mower, it fires right up. However, it idles poorly. It revs UP AND down and UP AND down.... When I use it and I go through a thick patch of grass, it stalls. This just recently started happening. I adjusted the throttle spring to raise the RPMs and it still runs like crap, but doesn't stall over thick grass. I don't want to damage the engine having the RPMs so high. Also, if the motor is up to temp and it stalls, its VERY hard to restart and sometimes won't start back up until cool again. SO, having replaced everything I stated and cleaned the carb out, what else could be causing it to run like that? I'm stumped.

Thanks in advance for any help.


#2

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Rivets

Hate to say it, but you are going to have to clean the carb again. I would recommend ultrasonicly cleaning it if you can find a shop which does it. If you can't, use a bath style cleaner and follow the directions. After cleaning, install a new float needle and seat. Part number 398188. You must make sure that you install the seat properly and in the right direction. You should also check to see if you have the Autochoke set properly.


#3

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DC813

Hate to say it, but you are going to have to clean the carb again. I would recommend ultrasonicly cleaning it if you can find a shop which does it. If you can't, use a bath style cleaner and follow the directions. After cleaning, install a new float needle and seat. Part number 398188. You must make sure that you install the seat properly and in the right direction. You should also check to see if you have the Autochoke set properly.

I pulled the carb again when I got home but this time I took it completely off the engine. I don't have a sonic bath but I did use almost an entire can cleaning it with a tooth brush. When I removed the float and needle, I noticed in 2 different locations (seats I guess?) With pin sized holes. I sprayed both holes out very well. Spray was easily exiting the carb. The large paper gasket that seats against the back of the filter box needs to be replaced (but that ddoesn't matter because it runs poorly with the filter box not even in the mower).

Do you have a complete rebuild kit part#? And a new complete carb replacement # in case the rebuild doesn't go well?

I just don't know what else to do. All repair shops around me are 3weeks backlogged.

Thanks again!


#4

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Rivets

With the carb off look at the float needle seat, where the needle fits into. Do you see a green seal in there, a red seal in there, or is it brass? We repair about six of these problems every week. Not expensive about $4.00 plus labor. Let me know what you see and I walk you through it.


#5

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DC813

With the carb off look at the float needle seat, where the needle fits into. Do you see a green seal in there, a red seal in there, or is it brass? We repair about six of these problems every week. Not expensive about $4.00 plus labor. Let me know what you see and I walk you through it.

I remember seeing a red ring with a pin hole in it.


#6

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Rivets

That is the seat which needs to be replaced, using part number 398188. When you get the kit post back and I'll tell you how to do it. Does your better half chrochet, as a #5 needle will come in handy? Will be back online tomorrow.


#7

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DC813

That is the seat which needs to be replaced, using part number 398188. When you get the kit post back and I'll tell you how to do it. Does your better half chrochet, as a #5 needle will come in handy? Will be back online tomorrow.

She does not have a needle but I have a ton of tools and picks. I just ordered a new needle and seat from Amazon for $6. I really hope this is the problem. For whats its worth, while its running, I looked into the carb and could see the fuel going into the carb butterfly. Its going in in large drops and sometimes spits little drops. Not sure how its supposed to look but that's what mine looks like. Thanks again!


#8

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Rivets

Post when you get it and I'll help you install it correctly.


#9

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DC813

Post when you get it and I'll help you install it correctly.

Thanks for everything. You seem pretty sure this is the problem based on what I've told you.... if this isn't the problem, what the heck else could it be?


#10

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Rivets

If this does not solve the problem, which I feel it will, then it will be time to replace the carb.


#11

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DC813

If this does not solve the problem, which I feel it will, then it will be time to replace the carb.

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Its here!


#12

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Rivets

Ok, let's solve this one. Remove the carb, and then remove the float bowl. Check the float bowl jet (which is the bowl screw) and make sure the jets both horizontal and vertical are clean and open. Tip the carb upside down and remove the float pin and float with needle attached. Look in the float needle passage and you should see the red float seat at the bottom of the passage. This is where the crotchet hook wood come in handy as you need to remove this seat. If you have no hook, but compressed air, you can blow through the fuel inlet and try to pop the seat out. Put your thumb over the passage to prevent the seat from flying who knows where. No air or hook try bending a stiff paper clip to dig the seat out.

With the seat out clean the passage way with carb cleaner. Now you must find a drive bit slightly smaller than the passage way, to be used to press in the new seat. Apply a very, very small amount of a very light lube to the new seat. 3-1 oil or lighter, to help seat it better. Carefully insert the new seat in the passage way with the rings on the seat down toward the carb body. Slowly and carefully force the seat down with the back end of the drill bit. Once it is seated, check to see that it did not flip and the rings are up. If everything looks correct, attach the new needle to the float and install with the float pin centered. It everything is correct, the float should seat level to the carb body, when looking at it upside down. If everything looks good reattach the float bowl, making sure that both the bowl gasket and the nut gasket seal properly. Reinstall on the engine and test unit. Remember to have patience and take your time. Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.


#13

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DC813

Ok, let's solve this one. Remove the carb, and then remove the float bowl. Check the float bowl jet (which is the bowl screw) and make sure the jets both horizontal and vertical are clean and open. Tip the carb upside down and remove the float pin and float with needle attached. Look in the float needle passage and you should see the red float seat at the bottom of the passage. This is where the crotchet hook wood come in handy as you need to remove this seat. If you have no hook, but compressed air, you can blow through the fuel inlet and try to pop the seat out. Put your thumb over the passage to prevent the seat from flying who knows where. No air or hook try bending a stiff paper clip to dig the seat out.

With the seat out clean the passage way with carb cleaner. Now you must find a drive bit slightly smaller than the passage way, to be used to press in the new seat. Apply a very, very small amount of a very light lube to the new seat. 3-1 oil or lighter, to help seat it better. Carefully insert the new seat in the passage way with the rings on the seat down toward the carb body. Slowly and carefully force the seat down with the back end of the drill bit. Once it is seated, check to see that it did not flip and the rings are up. If everything looks correct, attach the new needle to the float and install with the float pin centered. It everything is correct, the float should seat level to the carb body, when looking at it upside down. If everything looks good reattach the float bowl, making sure that both the bowl gasket and the nut gasket seal properly. Reinstall on the engine and test unit. Remember to have patience and take your time. Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.

Excellent! Thank you so much. I will do this tomorrow and let you know how it goes!


#14

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DC813

Excellent! Thank you so much. I will do this tomorrow and let you know how it goes!

Here's a small video is the idle as it is now.


#15

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DC813

I can't believe it! Its fixed! You're a genius! Thanks you so much. You just saved me over $100 and 3 weeks of waiting for it to even get looked at. Here another video of it running properly. Thanks again!



#16

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Rivets

Congratulations, I knew you could do it. Don't tell anyone else on this site as it will ruin my rep as a guy who's just a troublemaker and really only knows book knowledge and what he can find on the Internet. Sometimes I get lucky.


#17

Carscw

Carscw

Never thought about using a drill bit. Good idea.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#18

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Rivets

Carscw, that must be the first time you've seen me help some one solve a problem. I remember you telling everyone that I never help people solve their problems all the way through. Guess I should go out and celebrate tonight, or maybe I was right, just got lucky again. Yes, you can call me out on this as I'm picking on someone again.


#19

Carscw

Carscw

Carscw, that must be the first time you've seen me help some one solve a problem. I remember you telling everyone that I never help people solve their problems all the way through. Guess I should go out and celebrate tonight, or maybe I was right, just got lucky again. Yes, you can call me out on this as I'm picking on someone again.

I am glad he got his mower going. It was nice of you to walk him threw it.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#20

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GregGA

I am glad he got his mower going. It was nice of you to walk him threw it.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))
Wow!!!

I belong to a Jeep forum, and there might be 2 or 3 guys that help people like Rivets did. My compliments to you sir!

P.S. are you available if I have problems with my Honda HRX:smile:


#21

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Rivets

Just post, lighting might strike twice. Don't bet on it I'm just getting to understand Honda's.


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