Thanks for the reply, I removed the carb again and ,"forgive me if this sounds stupid" , but... if I blow into the fuel inlet with the bowl removed but the float attached, I have to pull the float all the way downn to get any flow through , it seems tome that the float feels stiff enough that fuel could not make it float, yet the only thing holding it in place is the small pin,the needle valve moves freely when i manipulte the float by hand.