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WalterGonzales

Hi, I'm from Mississauga. Already have a good security system in my house. With the motion sensor, CO sensor, smoke detector, a smart lock, cameras inside the house and live monitoring facility. It's been two years and the system is working very well.

But now I'm thinking about upgrading my home security system. I don't wanna change the existing system. Though I would like to add something more. Mainly I need some outdoor security cameras, Something with night vision will be good. Moreover, one problem with my existing security system is we can't watch the feeds later. So I need a cloud storage facility too.

The home security systems company I'm hiring now also provides security cameras. So I'm going to call them. But before, Please let me know your thoughts and suggestions.


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SidecarFlip

You obviously feel insecure. I've never had the need for a security system. We are always armed. Forgot, you are a Canuk so no firearms allowed unless you are a criminal. Glad I don't live up there. Nice to have a choice.


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tom3

tom3

We've been into this for a while now. The complete systems with recorder and cameras work decent but the cameras are hit and miss. We have five cameras and two of these we bought separate to get a good picture. Look for a higher number of LEDs for better night vision. Supplied cameras power supply is usually marginal. The recorders do a fair job, nice to look back for several days, but the playback is not so good. Can stream on the internet wherever you are though. Need a pretty large hard drive, and they are run pretty hard so it needs to be a pretty good one. Zmodo is the one we're using now. The listed lens size has more to do with width of field than picture quality. I look for a Sony CMOS, seems to indicate a better quality on the cameras. Get some decent deals on Ebay from time to time. Neighbors might not like it too well, but I work nights so whatever it takes for the wife to feel secure...

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nicholshornlake

I have the Lorex poe 4k system. Really sharp visual with good playback.


#5

Boobala

Boobala

Best security system made ...... Double-Barrel 12 Gauge (short as YOUR state will allow) 2nd best, .. 3 or 4 mean Dobermans ! .. :thumbsup:


#6

Padroo

Padroo

Security cameras aren't always about being afraid of the dark. I use mine to check the sump pump. Put a little light near the sump pump, and a thermometer and it will tell you if your furnace is working, you have power and your basement isn't flooded all with one camera.


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raciohurg

raciohurg

A couple of years ago, I had an installed security system from my friend who was doing this, but the cameras installed to me did not have night vision, and the sensors were too weak. I refused his services and just analyzed the market for a while until I decided to install Vivint smart home system and saw a huge difference. I have installed cameras with motion sensors both in the house and outside; I can see what is happening in real-time in the home or review when the time is right. The sensors are installed so cleverly that there is not a single-blind spot in the house. I even tried to simulate hacking to make sure that the system works.


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bertsmobile1

This is a really old thread and I doubt any of the participants are still around
As for security systems there is a big difference between the good ones & the cheap ones.
I had to instal cameras to get insurance and bought an off the shelf farm kit .
It was $ 6000 ( aus ) for 6 cameras control unit & monitor.
Can be extended to 10 cameras , All Wi-Fi but requires regular battery replacements in the cameras.
If I was going to do it again they would be hard wired where possible .


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Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

I do some security system and camera system installs. Anyone wanting to install a camera system i would stay away from the composite video stuff from Lorex, Swann, Arlo, Night Owl etc. The stuff is dirt cheap because the industry is moving to IP based cameras and companies are dumping the analog composite stuff. I won't install anything but IP systems now. 4K cameras and NVRs are quite reasonable in price. You can get a professional gade 8 camera sysem with 4K (not 4MP) cameras for around $2k. Cameras are POE so a single run of CAT5e is all you need to each camera. I never recommend wireless cameras. Seen too many train wrecks. I have installed cameras on outbuildings but you need to use good a grade wireless network bridge. A video doorbell is OK for what it is but it doesn't compare to a pro grade system.


#10

Mower King

Mower King

Our security cameras were installed by a longtime active security company, they used HikVision cameras.
The system works real good!


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RayMcD

WalterGonzales said:
Hi, I'm from Mississauga. Already have a good security system in my house. With the motion sensor, CO sensor, smoke detector, a smart lock, cameras inside the house and live monitoring facility. It's been two years and the system is working very well.

But now I'm thinking about upgrading my home security system. I don't wanna change the existing system. Though I would like to add something more. Mainly I need some outdoor security cameras, Something with night vision will be good. Moreover, one problem with my existing security system is we can't watch the feeds later. So I need a cloud storage facility too.

The home security systems company I'm hiring now also provides security cameras. So I'm going to call them. But before, Please let me know your thoughts and suggestions.
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Walter, have you looked at Ring, for $12 a month or $100 a year, they provide you with play back recordings, the night picture quality is great. The other thing I really like, for a long a you keep your contact in place, if any of your devices fail they are replaced 100% no cost., Cheers, Ray


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PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

WalterGonzales said:
Hi, I'm from Mississauga. Already have a good security system in my house. With the motion sensor, CO sensor, smoke detector, a smart lock, cameras inside the house and live monitoring facility. It's been two years and the system is working very well.

But now I'm thinking about upgrading my home security system. I don't wanna change the existing system. Though I would like to add something more. Mainly I need some outdoor security cameras, Something with night vision will be good. Moreover, one problem with my existing security system is we can't watch the feeds later. So I need a cloud storage facility too.

The home security systems company I'm hiring now also provides security cameras. So I'm going to call them. But before, Please let me know your thoughts and suggestions.
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Man, if I had to have all that security, I'd simply move to a saver place.


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Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

You would be amazed how many people get cameras and a security system AFTER they get robbed. I have a client right now that i am installing cameras on their farm because they had a pickup truck stolen. I have an 8 camera system and security on the barn and shop . So far so good.


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bertsmobile1

Hammermechanicman said:
You would be amazed how many people get cameras and a security system AFTER they get robbed. I have a client right now that i am installing cameras on their farm because they had a pickup truck stolen. I have an 8 camera system and security on the barn and shop . So far so good.
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That is because the insurance company jacks up their premiums unless they increase their security


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slomo

RayMcD said:
Walter, have you looked at Ring, for $12 a month or $100 a year, they provide you with play back recordings, the night picture quality is great. The other thing I really like, for a long a you keep your contact in place, if any of your devices fail they are replaced 100% no cost., Cheers, Ray
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Rings are state fair garbage. Meaning the cameras which is what you want it for are terrible. Most doorbells are in a shaded spot. What is out there in the yard? The full blown sun. Long story short, Ring ding cameras have terrible dynamic range. Meaning a persons face will be black with no detail because the iris is stopped down to deal with the sun. Look at sample videos for yourself.

Stick with Hikvision and Dahua IP cameras. Look for wide dynamic range at 130-140db range. Also Night Color models are awesome. 4mp and higher if you can. Remember, you can always add more cameras as you go. Don't need some full blown compromised package system right off the bat.

Also most people install them at the wrong height. Best camera height is at a normal human face/eye level. Not high up in a corner doing what I call the Indian scalp shot. People/thugs wear ball caps and such to hide their face. Put the camera right in their face. If they try to tear the camera down, too late. Got them on video AND audio. You can always add more screws and adhesives to some marine grade plywood LOL.

Cheap used Intel I7 computer, Blue Iris software and a quad or larger POE+ power inserter block.

Most people have an old cpu in the closet. Blue Iris is $69.00. POE gear under $75'ish. Cameras are roughly $155.00'ish each range.

Get good gear from the start. So you can actually SEE and HEAR what happened at the ranch. Think I put a couple of these up at work the other day. Looks like similar specs.

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Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

bertsmobile1 said:
That is because the insurance company jacks up their premiums unless they increase their security
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They don't increase the premiums for a burglary but they do give a discount if you have a commercially monitored security system and a bigger discount if you also have commercial grade, not a ring doorbell, surveillance system. Many times the discount will come close to paying for the cost of the security system but not the surveillance system.


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Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

slomo said:
Rings are state fair garbage. Meaning the cameras which is what you want it for are terrible. Most doorbells are in a shaded spot. What is out there in the yard? The full blown sun. Long story short, Ring ding cameras have terrible dynamic range. Meaning a persons face will be black with no detail because the iris is stopped down to deal with the sun. Look at sample videos for yourself.

Stick with Hikvision and Dahua IP cameras. Look for wide dynamic range at 130-140db range. Also Night Color models are awesome. 4mp and higher if you can. Remember, you can always add more cameras as you go. Don't need some full blown compromised package system right off the bat.

Also most people install them at the wrong height. Best camera height is at a normal human face/eye level. Not high up in a corner doing what I call the Indian scalp shot. People/thugs wear ball caps and such to hide their face. Put the camera right in their face. If they try to tear the camera down, too late. Got them on video AND audio. You can always add more screws and adhesives to some marine grade plywood LOL.

Cheap used Intel I7 computer, Blue Iris software and a quad or larger POE+ power inserter block.

Most people have an old cpu in the closet. Blue Iris is $69.00. POE gear under $75'ish. Cameras are roughly $155.00'ish each range.

Get good gear from the start. So you can actually SEE and HEAR what happened at the ranch. Think I put a couple of these up at work the other day. Looks like similar specs.

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The Blue Iris DIY is a nice setup if you are versed in things like ONVIF and setting up RTSP feeds and POE cameras and that you need CMX category cable for outdoor cameras. I only install stand alone IP camera systems with a dedicated NVR now. I even quit working on the older analog composite systems with the RS232 and RS485 control systems. They never have the installer documentation and i am too old to spend hours trying to reverse engineer them to work on them. Also be aware the most of the Hikvision and Dahua cameras can't be used in government installations due to the fact that China has built in vulnerabilities as directed by the government. Probably not an issue for a homeowner but the US government kinda takes a dim view of using cameras with built in hacks.

My favorite turret camera

www.getscw.com

DISCONTINUED - The Sheriff 8.0 - 26DF8M-IK10 - 4K (8MP = 4x1080P) Vandal Proof Fixed Wide Angle Lens IK10 Dome Camera

The Sheriff is very similar to our Deputy model - except that it has a 1K10 vandal proof glass dome surrounding the lens. Glass domes are iconic and what people usually think of with a security camera, but the glass has benefits and drawbacks. Despite our logo being a glass dome camera shape...
www.getscw.com www.getscw.com


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bertsmobile1

in a lived in a high area for about 10 years, goy broken into 3 times, twice at one address
After the second break in which was done by smashing the single skin fibro wall with a sledge hammer the insurance insisted on deadlocks for the front & back doors .
I did point out that the kids / druggies who broke in stole nothing that could not be carried back the same way as they got in but they insisted on the locks or no insurance .
Two decades latter I was doing an emergency job for a customer because the very professional thieves had come along, drilled a hole in the internal partition wall then using a batterysabre saw cut the wall & door frame off around the high security lock.
A 3 floor walk up and the crooks had taken every piece of office equipment from every company in the building
And most of this was high teck computer film editing gear and animation gear
My client then moved to building with internal walls of concrete
Apparently is is still a problem when using those Hebel bricks where crooks just cut their own door through a side wall then sneak up & put hoods over the passive IR motion detectors .


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slomo

Hammermechanicman said:
The Blue Iris DIY is a nice setup if you are versed in things like ONVIF and setting up RTSP feeds and POE cameras and that you need CMX category cable for outdoor cameras. I only install stand alone IP camera systems with a dedicated NVR now. I even quit working on the older analog composite systems with the RS232 and RS485 control systems. They never have the installer documentation and i am too old to spend hours trying to reverse engineer them to work on them. Also be aware the most of the Hikvision and Dahua cameras can't be used in government installations due to the fact that China has built in vulnerabilities as directed by the government. Probably not an issue for a homeowner but the US government kinda takes a dim view of using cameras with built in hacks.

My favorite turret camera

www.getscw.com

DISCONTINUED - The Sheriff 8.0 - 26DF8M-IK10 - 4K (8MP = 4x1080P) Vandal Proof Fixed Wide Angle Lens IK10 Dome Camera

The Sheriff is very similar to our Deputy model - except that it has a 1K10 vandal proof glass dome surrounding the lens. Glass domes are iconic and what people usually think of with a security camera, but the glass has benefits and drawbacks. Despite our logo being a glass dome camera shape...
www.getscw.com www.getscw.com
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All installed on a separate network from the company. Just a pair of fiber from building to building hitting a Blue Iris server.


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