sorry to have bothered you, why did you assume I have not been to dealers? I have been to 5 dealers so far, none have a hill for me to test on. None of them have offered to let me bring a unit home to test on my property. My local dealer where I had such a bad experience with my snapper is now pushing toro, he would not even let me use it in the parking lot. The snapper dealer in waxahachie I like is now pushing country clipper but only has a leftover 38 inch Jazzee to look at. Landmark equip (also in waxahachie) has the RTZ S 50 and offered to let me drive it in the showroom. The gravely dealer did not offer to let me drive one at all. I greatly value and appreciate that the original poster of this thread took the time to reply to me with his experience, which is what I thought this forum was about.