Boy, JD's parts post really fired me up.......So, I'm going to rant a tad here, too - since what I have to say isn't directly related to his thread. Feel free to chew me out for my opinions if you like...
What exactly is this "new service-based economy" supposed to consist of? People going to college so they can be data entry clerks, and make minimum wage, because the market for that is so saturated? Are we ALL supposed to be 'professionals'? What about auto mechanics, factory workers, machinists, small farmers, and a plethora of others supposed to do? Just fade away? "Re-educate" themselves to fit into a college-educated crowd? Should we go to college and owe thousands, so we know the physuics behind the grill on which we're flipping burgers?
Don't we still need someone to till the land, grow crops, build things, make machines, service machines, manufacture things that the quality thereof is unmatched? Why, all of a sudden, are people who work with their hands considered second-class citizens?
It's NOT 'all of a sudden'. This has been going on for 20 or more years. We've been moving away from people working with their hands to working with their brains. The former actually makes a physical something (something of value) and the latter only tells the former what to build. Now, they're tellin people in other countries what to build, because they work cheaper. Not that we don't need engineers, and managers, and data entry, etc......but we DON'T need to saturate that market. We need far more people with 'street smarts' in the workplace.
All about the freakin almighty dollar. Make the top that much richer at the expense of the rest of us. Really fries me. This isn't political, either. It's just how our society in general is changing, and I don't think that change is any good at all.
I'll stop now. :frown:
Man, for a CNC machinist, you sure can stir up the masses........
Sounds Like someone is watching the Ed Show on MSNBC :laughing: Watching what's going on in some other states. Hey I'm not trying to be smart because you're 100% right :thumbsup: As Ed would say That's what punching my Hot Button tonight folks.
Since you were a shop teacher, I'll tread lightly here......
I think teachers are really kinda part of the problem. Not to kiss butt, although shop teachers (as well as vocational teachers) didn't fit into this mold. Lemme explain:
Throughout my entire high school career, I had teachers trying to pound propoganda into my head. "you'll be nothing [if you don't go to college]!" They'd say over and over in just that wording and tone. Another looked me in the face and said "well, you could collect garbage in NYC and make more money than I do....but what about your job satisfaction?" (He was equating my desire to go to vo-tech for auto mechanics with a garbage collector) It was a recurring theme, over and over, at every level of school. I was too smart to get my hands dirty. I should be educated, and allow lesser life forms to do this kind of menial laborious blah, blah, blah............
I always wanted to work with my hands. Oddly enough, my intelligence let me work BETTER with my hands..,...a direct contradiction to what school had always said!
I guess the point is, that the school crowd is right - education truly DOES change society. Now look at what we've got. I hope they're proud.
it took me along time to figure out why the younger generation is the way they are no one wants to work they have no intrest in any thing but i pads i pods mp3's and games no one is intrested in what makes things do what they do. i work among alot of people each day and it is amazing how lazy and none careing 99 percent of them are and here is why they feel that way the public schools are teaching the kids today that they don't need to work all they need to do is stay in school as long as they can and atend every protest and march they can put on by people who want more goverment asistance and don't want to loose any of what there getting. bottom line is the schools are telling the kids the goverment will take care of them and this is being echoed the whole entire time they are in school.:thumbdown:
it took me along time to figure out why the younger generation is the way they are no one wants to work they have no interest in any thing but i pads i pods mp3's and games no one is interested in what makes things do what they do. i work among a lot of people each day and it is amazing how lazy and none caring 99 percent of them are and here is why they feel that way the public schools are teaching the kids today that they don't need to work all they need to do is stay in school as long as they can and attend every protest and march they can put on by people who want more government assistance and don't want to loose any of what there getting. bottom line is the schools are telling the kids the government will take care of them and this is being echoed the whole entire time they are in school.:thumbdown:
OK, where's the post I got an email on my phone about that Ric posted? Was it deleted or something?
I think this thread is a tinderbox. I'm sorry for starting it. I really think it'll get too hot. Or, it might inspire another to skirt the razor's edge between what this site is about and a political site.....:frown:
Although our opinions stand firm - I respectfully ask the members of the forum to let this thread just die, so it need not be locked. I apologize whioleheartedly....I posted this thread with my heart, not my head. It's no good for the forum. If admin. decides to delete the whole thing, I'd understand.
Again, I'm sorry. Not for my opinions, but for posting them here. It wan't appropriate.
Send me a PM and I'll discuss this topic furtrher with anyone......OFF BOARD!:laughing:
OK, where's the post I got an email on my phone about that Ric posted? Was it deleted or something?
I think this thread is a tinderbox. I'm sorry for starting it. I really think it'll get too hot. Or, it might inspire another to skirt the razor's edge between what this site is about and a political site.....:frown:
Although our opinions stand firm - I respectfully ask the members of the forum to let this thread just die, so it need not be locked. I apologize wholeheartedly....I posted this thread with my heart, not my head. It's no good for the forum. If admin. decides to delete the whole thing, I'd understand.
Again, I'm sorry. Not for my opinions, but for posting them here. It wasn't appropriate.
Send me a PM and I'll discuss this topic further with anyone......OFF BOARD!:laughing: