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IGNITION COIL

#1

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reevesjo

725 Grasshopper with WG752-EU2 Kubota gas engine. It is a 2014 year model that I bought new in 2016. Ran fine till 5/15/2015 (9 years) when the ignition coil failed. I paid $112 for a new KU1120 coil from a Grasshopper dealer. It lasted 2 months. I bought another new one, this time on the internet for $29. It just failed today after 10 months. Now what do I do?? Anyone else having this problem??


#2

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reevesjo

Correction: It is a 2004 year model bought new in 2006. My fingers didn't obey my feeble brain. The Grasshopper tech called me and said I should have returned the replacement coil that only lasted 2 months as a warranty problem. Too late for that. I will start over in the morning and cough up another $112 and see what happens.


#3

173abn

173abn

good luck.hope the new one lasts longer...russ


#4

R

reevesjo

After a long talk with the mechanic at the Grasshopper Dealer, he suggested a "bad ground". He said the more recent powder coating on the coil cases, instead of the older lead based paint, prevented a good ground. He said this contributes to more internal heat and causes the lacquer coated secondary wires to short out. I did have an "open" secondary circuit. I bit the dust and bought another $112 coil, scraped the paint between the coil case and mounting clamp and the engine started on the first revolution. I mowed for three hours with no problem. I had also talked to a rep at the Grasshopper Factory. He said one alternative would be to replace the ignitor $300+ or perhaps the whole distributor $400+. He said the coil is a non-resistor model. I think a stronger & cheaper coil should be available from NAPA or some other supplier. I love my Grasshopper 725, but hate their Denso ignition coils.


#5

5

577jersey

Most if not all the electrical components on these mowers are being made over seas....soooooo....it is what it is.
Poor,cheap,electrical components.

Take that one up with Bill Clinton.


#6

R

Renchy

After a long talk with the mechanic at the Grasshopper Dealer, he suggested a "bad ground". He said the more recent powder coating on the coil cases, instead of the older lead based paint, prevented a good ground. He said this contributes to more internal heat and causes the lacquer coated secondary wires to short out. I did have an "open" secondary circuit. I bit the dust and bought another $112 coil, scraped the paint between the coil case and mounting clamp and the engine started on the first revolution. I mowed for three hours with no problem. I had also talked to a rep at the Grasshopper Factory. He said one alternative would be to replace the ignitor $300+ or perhaps the whole distributor $400+. He said the coil is a non-resistor model. I think a stronger & cheaper coil should be available from NAPA or some other supplier. I love my Grasshopper 725, but hate their Denso ignition coils.
Hello, I see that you posted this 2016, are you still having coil problems? Have you inspected the distributor or replaced? I am currently having the same issues (04 GH w/Kubota gas WG752E2) put a new oil filled chrome coil in and the mower ran great about 2 months than died again today, no spark at coil. Will order a new coil today and see if the grounding helps.


#7

R

reevesjo

Hi Renchy,
I didn't think the coil depended on external grounding, BUT, I didn't want to continue buying expensive coils, so I did as he instructed by scraping off the powder coating at the clamp area. So, he must have been right, because the new coil is working fine. I love this Grasshopper. It is now 14 years old and no belts have been replaced; just new mulching blades.
Joe


#8

Mower King

Mower King

Hi Renchy,
I didn't think the coil depended on external grounding, BUT, I didn't want to continue buying expensive coils, so I did as he instructed by scraping off the powder coating at the clamp area. So, he must have been right, because the new coil is working fine. I love this Grasshopper. It is now 14 years old and no belts have been replaced; just new mulching blades.
Joe
Oh yes...coils must be grounded to work...as are some voltage regulators also!


#9

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reevesjo

O.K. mower king. I am a believer. I should have known. I worked at Delco Remy for 37 years; most of the time building cranking motors.


#10

R

Renchy

Hi Renchy,
I didn't think the coil depended on external grounding, BUT, I didn't want to continue buying expensive coils, so I did as he instructed by scraping off the powder coating at the clamp area. So, he must have been right, because the new coil is working fine. I love this Grasshopper. It is now 14 years old and no belts have been replaced; just new mulching blades.
Joe
Ok, thanks guys for responding to my question, I'll make sure I ground the new one. Now the coil I installed was an oil filled automotive coil chromed ( thought chroming was a ground ) where the original coil was OEM, but upon bench testing both coils the ohms matched spec what's up? Is there an ignition module in the distributor cap w/rotor? Bought this old girl used w/735hrs.in 2019, been having this problem on & off since so its a long time tracking this down. But just like you I love this mower for being able to mow 2 + acres figure I'll just keep her so here I am working @ not spending more but by asking how & why, Thanks.


#11

R

Renchy

Well installed new coil and still no fire, yes I grounded it! I guess its on to the distributor. Any suggestions would be great.


#12

Richie F

Richie F

First off, what machine ?
If you normally ground a coil you won't have spark at all on a mower.
What distributor are you talking about ?


#13

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Renchy

First off, what machine ?
If you normally ground a coil you won't have spark at all on a mower.
What distributor are you talking about ?
Hey Richie, please review post #6-10 and those earlier to get caught up, this will answer your question.


#14

Richie F

Richie F

Hey Richie, please review post #6-10 and those earlier to get caught up, this will answer your question.

Sorry for my mistake.
Didn't take notice this is page 2.


#15

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Renchy

Sorry for my mistake.
Didn't take notice this is page 2.
No problems, took coil wires off, distributor cap and checked for shorts found none in wires, cap and coil still checks out. So how do you check the distributor ignition module anyone?
Additional info; When mower died it was running and I had just finished mowing and was hooking up the lawn sweeper to pick up.


#16

Richie F

Richie F

So how do you check the distributor ignition module anyone?

Can you give the part number of the ignition module and maybe a brand name ?
If it's a printed circuit design the only way I know is to replace it with a good known part and see what happens.


#17

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Renchy

Can you give the part number of the ignition module and maybe a brand name ?
If it's a printed circuit design the only way I know is to replace it with a good known part and see what happens.
Ahhhhhhh! That's where it gets sticky as so far no one and research has shown no body gives up the info on how to, so it's on going will try to keep you all informed.


#18

R

Renchy

Can you give the part number of the ignition module and maybe a brand name ?
If it's a printed circuit design the only way I know is to replace it with a good known part and see what happens.
Update: Tested distributor ignition for operational signal to coil and got nothing so am replacing entire distributor & plug wires. The electronic ignition pickup itself cost just as much as a new distributor w/ new rotor, cap & ignition components. Added plug wires into the mix as all of the components are original 17years old. Let ya know what happens.


#19

R

Renchy

Update: Tested distributor ignition for operational signal to coil and got nothing so am replacing entire distributor & plug wires. The electronic ignition pickup itself cost just as much as a new distributor w/ new rotor, cap & ignition components. Added plug wires into the mix as all of the components are original 17years old. Let ya know what happens.
All right final update to ignition problem. Have installed new distributor w/ new ignition pickups, new cap, new plug wires put it all back together and she started right up ran for about 10 minutes, stopped to reinstall all of the other stuff (covers) and started her back up no problems checked timing all good for another 17years. Biggest complaint I have is that where I live there's no GH dealer around for 200 miles.


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