I would like to talk Propane

[briggs]

Here are the facts about propane as a motorfuel:

Like gasoline LPG is flammable, but has a much narrower range of flammability. LPG has a much higher ignition temperature of 920-1020 degrees vs. 80-300 degrees for gasoline. LPG will only burn with an air-fuel ratio of between 2.2% and 9.6% and will rapidly dissipate beyond its flammability range in the open atmosphere, making ignition unlikely. LPG tanks are tested to a minimum 4 times normal operating pressures and are 20 times more puncture resistant than gasoline tanks.

I don't know what else I can tell you other than the facts don't support your fear of "a bomb strapped to your behind". My wife is deathly afraid of spiders but if she'd learn about them she wouldn't be so afraid. Personally, spiders don't bother me. I've been bitten seven times by widows and survived. No, it wasn't pleasant, but I turned out just f,f,f,f,f,fine...:confused2:

propane dose not scare me but I don't want to sit on a tank of it to much to go wrong with it your talking about machine's that will be bounced around smashed into stuff people cobbling stuff making there own repairs Parts wise it will cost more its all about money people are cheap when they get the bill to fix there propane EQ they will have a heart attack man trust me I have seen it why do u think people throw there BBQs and construction heaters away because they cost to much to repair ..Now I fix mine but not everyone can

 

[Terry CleanFuel]

propane dose not scare me but I don't want to sit on a tank of it to much to go wrong with it your talking about machine's that will be bounced around smashed into stuff people cobbling stuff making there own repairs Parts wise it will cost more its all about money people are cheap when they get the bill to fix there propane EQ they will have a heart attack man trust me I have seen it why do u think people throw there BBQs and construction heaters away because they cost to much to repair ..Now I fix mine but not everyone can

Statistics show that propane mowers cost less to maintain than their gasoline counterparts. These are facts. These facts are collected by PERC and published.

A typical propane commercial mower will last 2.5 times longer than a comparable gasoline mower. This has been proved time and time again as we sometimes will convert just two mowers for a large cutter on trial. They have never, I repeat NEVER failed to convert the rest of their fleet. Some have even converted their trucks.

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I don't know what else to say. When was the last time you saw a gasoline forklift? Really?

I see you're from Canada. I can only conclude that they have different rules there. I'll ask some of my Canadian associates.

 

[briggs]

Statistics show that propane mowers cost less to maintain than their gasoline counterparts. These are facts. These facts are collected by PERC and published.

A typical propane commercial mower will last 2.5 times longer than a comparable gasoline mower. This has been proved time and time again as we sometimes will convert just two mowers for a large cutter on trial. They have never, I repeat NEVER failed to convert the rest of their fleet. Some have even converted their trucks.

propane mowers - Bing Videos

propane mowers - Bing Videos

I don't know what else to say. When was the last time you saw a gasoline forklift? Really?

I see you're from Canada. I can only conclude that they have different rules there. I'll ask some of my Canadian associates.

we don't have different rules here other then Some of the emissions laws its all about money Sears Canada used to have all there service trucks on propane Police cars taxi cabs 1 ton trucks all propane they found it was to much to maintain in the long run and have them cert every couple of years plus the cost of fuel ..... Gas engines are easy to work on most people can do it themselves they don't want to send there stuff to a shop to be fixed by a dealer they cost to much ...It dose burn clean it makes more power and so on but in the end it comes to the old mighty dollar ....They said the same crap about hybrid cars how they were great and cheap blah blah u don't see to many on the road do u any one can weigh the pros and cons but in the end it comes down to money and how easy it is to get fuel as for the forklift most are propane they work ok never said they didn't but I know how much it cost to fix them also and if u pay that all time u will go broke

 

[Terry CleanFuel]

we don't have different rules here other then Some of the emissions laws its all about money Sears Canada used to have all there service trucks on propane Police cars taxi cabs 1 ton trucks all propane they found it was to much to maintain in the long run and have them cert every couple of years plus the cost of fuel ..... Gas engines are easy to work on most people can do it themselves they don't want to send there stuff to a shop to be fixed by a dealer they cost to much ...It dose burn clean it makes more power and so on but in the end it comes to the old mighty dollar ....They said the same crap about hybrid cars how they were great and cheap blah blah u don't see to many on the road do u any one can weigh the pros and cons but in the end it comes down to money and how easy it is to get fuel as for the forklift most are propane they work ok never said they didn't but I know how much it cost to fix them also and if u pay that all time u will go broke

Here in the States that hasn't been my experience. All I have to go on is the testimonials from customers who have been using propane for decades and their precise documentation.

I wonder why so many folks would lie...

Anyway, moving on!

 

[briggs]

Here in the States that hasn't been my experience. All I have to go on is the testimonials from customers who have been using propane for decades and their precise documentation.

I wonder why so many folks would lie...

Anyway, moving on!

No lie here if it was so cheap and so one the they would have kept them on there fleet .............

 

[Terry CleanFuel]

No lie here if it was so cheap and so one the they would have kept them on there fleet .............

I'm not sure what this means. The bottom line is:

* Propane is much safer then gasoline
* Propane costs up to 60% less than gasoline
* Propane is up to 80% less polluting than gasoline.
* Propane engines last longer than gasoline engines.
* Maintenance intervals can be up to three times longer on propane.

These are facts for which I have given concrete reference. You have yet to provide ONE. I respect your opinion on the subject but I can't FORCE you to be right.

Fair Winds...

 

[briggs]

I'm not sure what this means. The bottom line is:

* Propane is much safer then gasoline
* Propane costs up to 60% less than gasoline
* Propane is up to 80% less polluting than gasoline.
* Propane engines last longer than gasoline engines.
* Maintenance intervals can be up to three times longer on propane.

These are facts for which I have given concrete reference. You have yet to provide ONE. I respect your opinion on the subject but I can't FORCE you to be right.

Fair Winds...

fair enough on some of your points yes its clean yes engine life yes .....There was a reason they stopped using it on there Vehicles from about 200 cop cars to 400 cabs went to junk yard i was told it was cost ,maintenance an a aging fleet( they could not replace Sears Canada had over 200 of there service /Delivery vans that went to the junk yard (that was just in my area ) not enough places had propane for sale ...Like i siad if it was so great why did they scrap it...U know if they can save money they will ....its the same as Natural gas works great pay for it or try to find it

 

[LoCo86]

I'm not sure what this means. The bottom line is: * Propane is much safer then gasoline * Propane costs up to 60% less than gasoline * Propane is up to 80% less polluting than gasoline. * Propane engines last longer than gasoline engines. * Maintenance intervals can be up to three times longer on propane. These are facts for which I have given concrete reference. You have yet to provide ONE. I respect your opinion on the subject but I can't FORCE you to be right. Fair Winds...

I have no problem with propane. If it works for you good if it doesn't that's fine too. The only problem I have seen from having a propane tank mounted on a ZTR is that on some models you can not install a bagging attachment. That might be something for you and any companies in this field to find a way around. If you know of any please specify. Thanks.

 

[Terry CleanFuel]

I have no problem with propane. If it works for you good if it doesn't that's fine too. The only problem I have seen from having a propane tank mounted on a ZTR is that on some models you can not install a bagging attachment. That might be something for you and any companies in this field to find a way around. If you know of any please specify. Thanks.

You are absolutely correct. We're working on it along with the manufacturers.

 

[LoCo86]

You are absolutely correct. We're working on it along with the manufacturers.

Me personally I use gas, but I know this will help out the users of propane.