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Hertz car rental is dropping 20,000 EV cars for gas powered.

Jan 15, 2024#1

7394

Think we may see more of this. Said repairs & resale is a killer.

Jan 16, 2024#2

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bertsmobile1

The big problem is batteries which is the reason there were only a couple of companies who did EV's from WW II the reincarnation of PT Barnum formed Tesla.
All they are good for is virtue signaling and just like E-mowers, there is a convenience factor to them for certain people in certain circumstances but basically they are a joke that makes pollution far worse than sticking with ICE
OTOH the trend or monster engines needs to be curtailed you really do not need a 10 litre engine to drop the kids off to daycare
I have been driving an 1800cc & a 2400cc van for 40 years and it is quite happy at the legal speed limit
Outside of the USA where Musk offers insurance on Teslas in most states, EV's are now uninsurable
The Luton carpark fire cost is now up to £ 120,000,000 and still climbing so EV's are pulling £ 4,000 to £ 6,000 for annual insurance
Now apart from the Rolls Royce hire cars, I have never paid the equivalent of £ 4,000 for a vehicle , let alone insurance .
EV sales have tanked and every manufacturere is pulling back on production and according to one YT channel some models have better than 2 years worth of sales sitting in cary yards because the dealers can not shift them .

Jan 16, 2024#3

ILENGINE

bertsmobile1 said:
OTOH the trend or monster engines needs to be curtailed you really do not need a 10 litre engine to drop the kids off to daycare
I have been driving an 1800cc & a 2400cc van for 40 years and it is quite happy at the legal speed limit

You hit on a very serious topic. Most people driving large pickups and SUV have obsolutely no use for them other than the wow factor. Most people that own pickups don't ever haul or tow anything period. So that is the reason that pickup trucks have become the new cars. They have become this large four door, short/no bed with all the creature comforts that never tow or haul even a bag of groceries from the store, because they will have those delivered. So it has really messed up what a truck is supposed to be. you can purchase a good used Freightliner cheaper than you can buy a pickup truck. And I understand that a large portion of the cost of US vehicles is due to the federally mandated safety equipment

Tire pressure monitors because people can't check their tire pressure but have no clue what the light on the dash means.
Backup cameras because people can't use their mirrors to backup and people don't pay attention to vehicles so they will walk into a blind spot and get run over.
Anti-lock brakes because people can't control their brakes on slick conditions and are fine in ideal conditions but in ice, loose rock, whatever no traction conditions they will say I am slipping and then release the brakes without your consent and procede to dump you into the middle of an intersection.

Jan 16, 2024#4

StarTech

Humans in general are no longer getting smarter because just keep believing all the cons jobs out there and are being dumbed down by society. So glad I made it to retirement where I don't have deal with all lairs if I don't want to.

Yes I still demand a full size pickup bed as I actually use it.

As anti lock brakes they are only good on dry pavement with good tires. Many around here are running on slicks and thinking the anti locks are going to save them.

Jan 16, 2024#5

7394

I know of some that have big pickups, that say they feel much safer in them than small cars. I wouldn't disagree with that.
I'm still rolling in my old Chevy Panel Tk. It works for me..

EV BS not my cup 'o tea.

Jan 17, 2024#6

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bertsmobile1

7394 said:
I know of some that have big pickups, that say they feel much safer in them than small cars. I wouldn't disagree with that.
I'm still rolling in my old Chevy Panel Tk. It works for me..

EV BS not my cup 'o tea.

Well it depends upon the type of collision as those 20' tall SUV's & pick ups are very prone to roll over because of the high COG .
On top of that because most are considered trucks they do not need to meet the same safety standards for things like crumple zones as saloon cars doo when T boned, most end up on their sides even if hit by a small saloon.
I drive cab over vans so the view from being higher does make it easier to avoid problems but most Yank Tanks have long bonnets (cause there is a v 10 or V 12 in there ) so that means there is a 50' blind spot in front of the vehicle .

Jan 17, 2024#7

7394

V10 was only in the Ram for a special Edltion, back around 2004. V12 IDK of any..

Read the EV teslas don't charge in the artic temps we got.. Overpriced & useless.

Jan 19, 2024#8

PTmowerMech

Jan 19, 2024#9

PTmowerMech

7394 said:
V10 was only in the Ram for a special Edltion, back around 2004. V12 IDK of any..

Read the EV teslas don't charge in the artic temps we got.. Overpriced & useless.

Tesla's have a battery warmer built into the charging circuit. But you have to set the car to heat up the batteries. It's not automatic.

The news broadcasts and social media post about all these "dead robots" are from people who never read their EV's manual.

Jan 19, 2024#10

Hammermechanicman

A friend has a nissan leaf. She says when it gets really cold out, like now, it charges about 1/3 as fast as normal.

I guess it is time to go out and fire up my average V12 5 ton tank truck that I can't see out in front of and go run down some unsuspecting pedestrians while burning a gallon of gas every mile.

Jan 19, 2024#11

upupandaway

7394 said:
Think we may see more of this. Said repairs & resale is a killer.

"One reason the company gave was that drivers kept crashing the cars.

Hertz CEO Stephen Scherr noted that the costs of repairs of an electric vehicle are also much higher."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/18/business/why-do-people-keep-crashing-teslas/index.html

Jan 19, 2024#12

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
A friend has a nissan leaf. She says when it gets really cold out, like now, it charges about 1/3 as fast as normal.

I guess it is time to go out and fire up my average V12 5 ton tank truck that I can't see out in front of and go run down some unsuspecting pedestrians while burning a gallon of gas every mile.

I wonder if that Nissan has a battery warmer on it?

Jan 19, 2024#13

Hammermechanicman

PTmowerMech said:
I wonder if that Nissan has a battery warmer on it?

Don't know about that. They have 2 chargers. The 220v fast charger at the house and the 110v "mobile" one built into the car that charges very slow anyway. I do know that the heat pump heater/AC unit went out a few years ago and it was around $4000 to fix it. It is a 2015 and the battery only has about 2/3 if the original capacity

Jan 19, 2024#14

StarTech

Boy that barely get me to town. one shopping stop only; if I even made it then.

Jan 19, 2024#15

ILENGINE

StarTech said:
Boy that barely get me to town. one shopping stop only; if I even made it then.

Take longer to recharge than the trip does

Jan 19, 2024#16

7394

Yea, & no-one seems to be able to tell what a charge on the road costs, or the fees for use on the roads since no gas tax $ generated.

Jan 19, 2024#17

7394

A friend up in Maryland says his neighbor has a Tesla. & got a flat tire. Called triple A, when they got there, they informed the Tesla owner they can NOT touch any teslas.. Car sat for 4 days till they got it in to Tesla dealer.

Sounding better all the time.

Jan 19, 2024#18

Hammermechanicman

The Cohen scrap yard near me won't take an EV. A friend was looking to get an EV till his homeowner insurance told him they would drop him.

Jan 19, 2024#19

7394

Hammermechanicman said:
The Cohen scrap yard near me won't take an EV. A friend was looking to get an EV till his homeowner insurance told him they would drop him.

Well that about sums it up.........................

Jan 20, 2024#20

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bertsmobile1

7394 said:
Yea, & no-one seems to be able to tell what a charge on the road costs, or the fees for use on the roads since no gas tax $ generated.

In Oz 1 of the 4 companies poviding fast pubic chargers has gone bankrupt
another tha just jacked up their price so it is around the same as an Aust ICE engined car, not a yank urban assault vehicle
And another is exiting Aust all together going back to the USA
The last is part government owned and believe it or not makes fast chargers tacked onto the end of a diesel generator .
Sounds silly but much of inland Aust is not on the national grid so they are using these to work out where a grid connection will be needed as getting grid power to all of the popular tourist spots will cost 50 times the states GDP
There is one in Gundagai at the Dog on the Tucker Box truck stop and the local tow truck operator now has a week end drivers to tow all of those fools who believed the BS that they will get 400 km on a charge so can do the 375 km no troubles
The Big Merino at Goulburrn was looking at installing fast chargers but it was going to cost around $ 500,000 to get enough power to run a 10 bay charging station.
I think they have a 2 bay there at the moment but supply restrictions means it takes over 1/2 hour to charge and that is 195 km from Sydney
They did a survey of times for a Sydney <=> Melbourne trip by EV ( 900km) and it works out I do it faster in my 40 year old lPG powered L300 van than just about every Ev on the market in OZ at the moment and that assumes you are the only car at the charger so you get the benefit of the full fast rate .
I get 350 km on a tank but because unreliable supply I always refill at around 200km
If all of the bays are being used at Gundagai then some will take better than 3 hours to charge just enough to get ( 180 km) to Albury, the next nearest E-charge .
Or you have to turn off the expressway and go to all of the towns and recharge there which adds another 200km to the trip .
John sums it up beautifully on this post

Jan 20, 2024#21

Tiger Small Engine

bertsmobile1 said:
In Oz 1 of the 4 companies poviding fast pubic chargers has gone bankrupt
another tha just jacked up their price so it is around the same as an Aust ICE engined car, not a yank urban assault vehicle
And another is exiting Aust all together going back to the USA
The last is part government owned and believe it or not makes fast chargers tacked onto the end of a diesel generator .
Sounds silly but much of inland Aust is not on the national grid so they are using these to work out where a grid connection will be needed as getting grid power to all of the popular tourist spots will cost 50 times the states GDP
There is one in Gundagai at the Dog on the Tucker Box truck stop and the local tow truck operator now has a week end drivers to tow all of those fools who believed the BS that they will get 400 km on a charge so can do the 375 km no troubles
The Big Merino at Goulburrn was looking at installing fast chargers but it was going to cost around $ 500,000 to get enough power to run a 10 bay charging station.
I think they have a 2 bay there at the moment but supply restrictions means it takes over 1/2 hour to charge and that is 195 km from Sydney
They did a survey of times for a Sydney <=> Melbourne trip by EV ( 900km) and it works out I do it faster in my 40 year old lPG powered L300 van than just about every Ev on the market in OZ at the moment and that assumes you are the only car at the charger so you get the benefit of the full fast rate .
I get 350 km on a tank but because unreliable supply I always refill at around 200km
If all of the bays are being used at Gundagai then some will take better than 3 hours to charge just enough to get ( 180 km) to Albury, the next nearest E-charge .
Or you have to turn off the expressway and go to all of the towns and recharge there which adds another 200km to the trip .
John sums it up beautifully on this post

What I have been reading lately on battery vehicles regarding accidents is that because of potential liability safety issues with lithium batteries, once the battery encasement has been compromised to a certain extent, the vehicle is “totaled out”. Apparently the vehicle is often fine, but nobody will touch it because of potential fire, insurance, personal liability, etc.

If it takes 3 days to charge that particular vehicle to go 84 kilometers (in the above article), then you might as well get on your bicycle and start pedaling. That is anything but practical or reasonable in day to day activities.

Battery powered vehicles are literally sitting on dealer sales lots because they cannot sell them. Demand simply isn’t there.

This will all become clearer in the next couple of years. I have been reading articles about battery vehicles pros and cons for a few years now. For the record, I am an internal combustion engine guy, and always will be.

Jan 20, 2024#22

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mcspeed

The EV sales pitch of saving money by not using petrol, lower maintenance cost due to fewer parts, zero emissions will save the planet…..all appeal to the emotional side of us humans.

The Covid vaccination pitch took the same approach. Appeal to the emotions without any real basis in fact.

Both are complete failures and fingers crossed, people will get wise to these baseless pitches. Seems to be the case with EV sales trends and vax boost rates.

Jan 20, 2024#23

StarTech

Sounds like we need to get some hay burners and buggies. Then of there is a problem with by products. Some are explosive.

Jan 20, 2024#24

Hammermechanicman

Lots of these stories on utube

Jan 20, 2024#25

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Jimmy the Lock

7394 said:
Hertz car rental is dropping 20,000 EV cars for gas powered.

The stock holders should demand that the liberals running this company should be... let go!

Jan 20, 2024#26

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Jimmy the Lock

Hammermechanicman said:
$60,000 to replace battery. The battery costs more than a brand new car!

No problem... they can just buy a cheap chinese knock off battery on eBay!

That way the liberals can help out they communist comrades

Jan 20, 2024#27

PTmowerMech

Arkansas is about to implement some stupid tax (again) that's going to bump up the cost of EV charging.

Jan 20, 2024#28

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Jimmy the Lock

PTmowerMech said:
Arkansas is about to implement some stupid tax (again) that's going to bump up the cost of EV charging.

Good! The electric peoples need to pay as much taxes as the gas peoples!

Jan 20, 2024#29

7394

PTmowerMech said:
Arkansas is about to implement some stupid tax (again) that's going to bump up the cost of EV charging.

Naturally, this ev thingie seems more of a money pit.

Jimmy the Lock said:
Good! The electric peoples need to pay as much taxes as the gas peoples! View attachment 67654

Agreed.

Jan 20, 2024#30

Hammermechanicman

Every state has a fuel excise tax to fund roads. You bet your azz the EVs need to have an excise tax for road use. I'm all for equality.

Jan 20, 2024#31

7394

Hammermechanicman said:
'You bet your azz the EVs need to have an excise tax for road use. I'm all for equality.

Yes, it's only right.

Jan 21, 2024#32

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bertsmobile1

We tried to tax EV's to compensate for the lack of fuel excise but it got overturned in the high ( your Supreme ) court .
It all goes back to one E Musk , the reincarnation of P T Barnham who pretended to be on a save the planet crusade when like most excessively wealthy he was only in t for the money honey .
Then he tapped into the conspiracy theory nutters and for some reason the bulk of the population will swallow a conspiracy theory hook , line, sinker, rod , reel & boat .
Where a few seconds of actual though would have revealed the truth.
The only conspiracy between auto makers & the fuel engine is the continued "upgrading" of models by fitted a bigger engine, which is also done by mower companies .
Just about every auto maker had spent a small fortune on R & D into EV's and rejected the models , for good reason.
And like I have said from the start, if Musk really wanted to combat air pollution then his first model would have been a taxi cab, followed by a 1 ton delivery van then a 2 ton delivery van rather than a 200 mph penis extension .
When we were trying to clean up Sydneys air there was a subsidy for converting taxis to LPG and within 2 years almost the entire 7,000 cabs were running on LPG
Then there was a business subsidy to convert new van to LPG and again 2/3 of the 16,000 1 ton delivery vans were LPG powered because business owners can do maths.The fact that there has been no interest in E-vans speaks buckets about the truth of the Electric Messiah's promises .
Give him his due respect, the new Tesla motors are excellent & a work of pure engineering porn so if a reliable battery ev emerges then the drive train is there ready to go
However I can not see any business buying anE_V with a Lithium battery after the Luton air port fire as the total physical damage bill is now over £ 200,000,000 and still rising as the airlines are yet to make claims .
Now all insurance policies have a claim payment limit ( read your fine print ) and none of them extend to £ 200,000,000 ( or the US $ equivalent ) so that leaves the vehicle owner holding the bag .
Now imagine if that happened t a Fed-ex van under a multistory building which due to the damage the extreme heat generated had to be demolished in say New York ?

Jan 21, 2024#33

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
Every state has a fuel excise tax to fund roads. You bet your azz the EVs need to have an excise tax for road use. I'm all for equality.

I look at it as just another way to collect revenue. They have been doing without that tax since Arkansas was established. They could do without it from now on.

Jan 21, 2024#34

PTmowerMech

Personally, I don't get all the objections to EV's. I like new technology. With new technology, comes new technology to make it great.

Jan 21, 2024#35

Hammermechanicman

PTmowerMech said:
Personally, I don't get all the objections to EV's. I like new technology. With new technology, comes new technology to make it great.

I have no problem with people driving EVs but if I have to pay road use taxes so do they.

Jan 21, 2024#36

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hlw49

PTmowerMech said:
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Yes that was a problem in the early days for the auto industry but the thing about it was you could carry cans of fuel with you. Trouble with EVs is you can't carry spare batteries with you. There aren't enough charging stations around and the infra structrue is not able to support the addition of charge stations to support the EV industry. Another problem is it takes too long to charge the batteries. That tied to the range of some of the EVs. I drive a Geo Metro that gets in the 40s. Was at Walmart one day and a family pulled in next to me and guy ask what kind of milage I got. I told him his wife poped in and said we don't get gas milage we have an EV. I ask what the range on it was he said about 150 miles and how long it took to charge it. He said 8 hours. It was a Nissan Leaf. I ask him how long it would take him to get to California. Hope he would not be in a hurry to get there. LOL

Jan 21, 2024#37

7394

Hammermechanicman said:
I have no problem with people driving EVs but if I have to pay road use taxes so do they.

Yup.

Jan 21, 2024#38

7394

PTmowerMech said:
Personally, I don't get all the objections to EV's. I like new technology. With new technology, comes new technology to make it great.

Agreed, but don't force folks into them.. Like the mandated shots. See how well that went.

Jan 21, 2024#39

ILENGINE

7394 said:
Agreed, but don't force folks into them.. Like the mandated shots. See how well that went.

And I don't think that we have seen the full effect of those yet.

Jan 21, 2024#40

StarTech

My main with EVs is two fold. one is the range and the other is charging times. And now comes the cost of repairs too. Only the rich can afford these EV right now and even they are complaining about costs to maintain them.

Jan 21, 2024#41

7394

ILENGINE said:
And I don't think that we have seen the full effect of those yet.

No, I agree 100%. Saw a piece on TV about a family that was pro vaccine tonite. Said they let their under 12 year old daughter take this New (testing-phase) covid shot. Kid got gravely ill in a day or so & was hospitalized 9 times, now having heart issues..

You don't hear a word about that stuff.

Jan 21, 2024#42

7394

StarTech said:
My main with EVs is two fold. one is the range and the other is charging times. And now comes the cost of repairs too. Only the rich can afford these EV right now and even they are complaining about costs to maintain them.

Ahh, that would be three fold. But agree 100%. Not ready for prime time. And building them (includes mining the material for batteries) is more polluting than our gas vehicles.

Jan 22, 2024#43

PTmowerMech

7394 said:
Agreed, but don't force folks into them.. Like the mandated shots. See how well that went.

That's the thing though. EV's aren't really being forced on anyone. And for 99.9999% of the country, we weren't forced to take the Trump shot. Biden isn't at war with the oil companies. And now that inflation is coming down, the higher prices we're paying we're paying isn't all from inflation. A lot of it is, but not all.
Companies know that consumers are used to paying higher prices. So they'll just let them pay the higher prices.

It's like charging more for your labor rate during the winter, because there's not as much work coming in. When spring hits, and you realize that no one complained about the $10hr increase, so you keep it at the new level.

There's so much misinformation out there, about so many things. Political scams, product scams, services scams. There's a scammer born every minute.
I remember when the conspiracy theorist were saying that the Trump shot was going to gives us all vaids. LOL..

As far as EV's go, within a few years, I'm hoping they'll be running with sodium ion batteries and that they'll be located in a place where they can be easily removed and replaced by a fully charged pack. Something like a 5 minute swap.
What they have now, only fits a certain % of people. Those who only drive maybe 200 miles per day (at most). They just go to work and back. And for those people, it's great. Especially when the price of gas is $4 per gallon.

Jan 22, 2024#44

PTmowerMech

7394 said:
No, I agree 100%. Saw a piece on TV about a family that was pro vaccine tonite. Said they let their under 12 year old daughter take this New (testing-phase) covid shot. Kid got gravely ill in a day or so & was hospitalized 9 times, now having heart issues..

You don't hear a word about that stuff.

You did.

Jan 22, 2024#45

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
My main with EVs is two fold. one is the range and the other is charging times. And now comes the cost of repairs too. Only the rich can afford these EV right now and even they are complaining about costs to maintain them.

Not many could afford gas powered cars when they first came out. Heck, before that, a lot of folks couldn't afford horses.

There's car companies who are trying to find ways of bringing the costs down. But with the way the economy is, and this enormous labor costs, it's going to be a while.

And personally, I don't believe the costs will ever come down. It'll be wages increasing to match inflation. At this point, prices never come down. We just learn to adjust. The scary thing about the low end EV's, is that because of production costs, they have to skimp out on quality to reduce costs.
You know, like a the 1980 Chevy Citation. lol Or just about any of the cars that were being built when Americans started getting away from the Barnaby Jones-mobile's.

Jan 22, 2024#46

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
I have no problem with people driving EVs but if I have to pay road use taxes so do they.

They pretty much do, since electricity is taxed.

Jan 22, 2024#47

7394

PTmowerMech said:
You did.

Yes I did, & felt it my obligation to share it here & there..

Jan 22, 2024#48

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hlw49

PTmowerMech said:
They pretty much do, since electricity is taxed.

At what rate? Tn pays 27.4 cents per gallon
Energy
T.C.A. § 67-6-206(b)(1) also provides that a “tax at the rate of one and one-half percent (1.5%) shall be imposed with respect to gas, electricity, fuel oil, coal, and other energy fuels when sold or used by manufacturers.” T.C.A. § 67-6-704 exempts all energy sales from the local sales tax. This state-only sales tax is in lieu of the combined state and local sales tax levied on other taxable sales (seven percent (7%) state rate plus your local rate).
So on top of the sales tax that we all pay and we with gas powered vehicles we are paying 27.4 cents a gallon as well. That goes for the up keep of the roads they still are not paying their fair share.

Jan 22, 2024#49

Hammermechanicman

hlw49 said:
At what rate? Tn pays 27.4 cents per gallon
Energy
T.C.A. § 67-6-206(b)(1) also provides that a “tax at the rate of one and one-half percent (1.5%) shall be imposed with respect to gas, electricity, fuel oil, coal, and other energy fuels when sold or used by manufacturers.” T.C.A. § 67-6-704 exempts all energy sales from the local sales tax. This state-only sales tax is in lieu of the combined state and local sales tax levied on other taxable sales (seven percent (7%) state rate plus your local rate).
So on top of the sales tax that we all pay and we with gas powered vehicles we are paying 27.4 cents a gallon as well. That goes for the up keep of the roads they still are not paying their fair share.

Pretty much what he said.

And when anything "green" is subsided we all get the privilege of paying for it whether we like it or not.

"Does the government subsidize EV cars?

Average direct subsidies from federal and state governments amount to almost $9,000 per vehicle over 10 years while direct subsidies from utilities push the amount over $10,000. But manufacturers receive subsidies too, and regulations force them to produce more and more EVs, even if the vehicles aren't profitable.Nov 9, 2023"

https://www.heritage.org › taxpayer...

Jan 22, 2024#50

ILENGINE

You throw motor fuel taxes on those electric charging rates and I bet the savings isn't there

For IL You will pay $.454/gallon for state motor fuel tax, plus $.003/gallon for environment fee, plus $.008/gallon for underground storage tank fee plus the $.184/gallon for federal motor tax for gas

And $.529/gallon for motor state motor fuel tax, plus $.003/gallon for environmental impact fee, plus $.008/gallon for underground storage tank fee, plus $.224/gallon for federal motor fuel tax for diesel.

Jan 22, 2024#51

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
Pretty much what he said.

And when anything "green" is subsided we all get the privilege of paying for it whether we like it or not.

"Does the government subsidize EV cars?

Average direct subsidies from federal and state governments amount to almost $9,000 per vehicle over 10 years while direct subsidies from utilities push the amount over $10,000. But manufacturers receive subsidies too, and regulations force them to produce more and more EVs, even if the vehicles aren't profitable.Nov 9, 2023"
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https://www.heritage.org › taxpayer...

At the same time, oil/gas companies are getting government subsidies in the billions, every year. GM and others have gotten huge bailouts.

This is why I support constitutional and fiscal conservatives (Chip Roy, Thomas Massie, etc etc) and not democrats or the RINO's.

"Republicrats" give free market capitalism a bad name.

Jan 22, 2024#52

PTmowerMech

hlw49 said:
At what rate? Tn pays 27.4 cents per gallon
Energy
T.C.A. § 67-6-206(b)(1) also provides that a “tax at the rate of one and one-half percent (1.5%) shall be imposed with respect to gas, electricity, fuel oil, coal, and other energy fuels when sold or used by manufacturers.” T.C.A. § 67-6-704 exempts all energy sales from the local sales tax. This state-only sales tax is in lieu of the combined state and local sales tax levied on other taxable sales (seven percent (7%) state rate plus your local rate).
So on top of the sales tax that we all pay and we with gas powered vehicles we are paying 27.4 cents a gallon as well. That goes for the up keep of the roads they still are not paying their fair share.

And it goes for anything and everything else they want to pay for. But that's kind of the point. States and the federal government tax everything under the sun. And now with solar panels connected to the grid, they're sort of taxing the sun too. None the less, they're taxing way too much for what little we're getting.
I say the state & federal government should simply stop wasting our money on things that don't pertain to most of us. Then see what the tax rates for everything should be. Taxing EV's more is only going to give them more money to blow. It might make those who are opposed to EV's feel better that EV owners have to pay more. But it's not going to reduce our gas tax one penny.

Jan 23, 2024#53

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bertsmobile1

As an engineerI love the concept of EV's
But as a human I hate the misuse of valuable resources and a LI battery big enough t power a vehicle of store off grid energy is just that, misuse of finite world resources.
When a reliable battery that is safe & reasonably priced is found then EV's will make sense but right now they do not.
MY other problem is selling some thing to the ignorant with total BS like Musk has done with Tesla forcing all the others to follow him down the road of electric euphoria , which unfortunately leads directly to hell .
So if you live in the city, drive less than 20 miles a day, have open air parking or a detatched car port then an EV makes sense
However the 3,000 people who had their cars destroyed in the Luton airport car park might just think a bit different to that .

Jan 23, 2024#54

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
As an engineerI love the concept of EV's
But as a human I hate the misuse of valuable resources and a LI battery big enough t power a vehicle of store off grid energy is just that, misuse of finite world resources.
When a reliable battery that is safe & reasonably priced is found then EV's will make sense but right now they do not.
MY other problem is selling some thing to the ignorant with total BS like Musk has done with Tesla forcing all the others to follow him down the road of electric euphoria , which unfortunately leads directly to hell .
So if you live in the city, drive less than 20 miles a day, have open air parking or a detatched car port then an EV makes sense
However the 3,000 people who had their cars destroyed in the Luton airport car park might just think a bit different to that .

You may have seen me post a couple of video's about the sodium ion batteries that are on the rise. Do you have any comment about those?
I think they're promising. According to what I've heard, they last longer, do better in cold weather and not apt to catch on fire like Lithium. The expensive metals found in LI batteries is not needed in the SI batteries. Just common metals.

Jan 23, 2024#55

7394

I read that Elon Musk has bought Ford Mo Co. True ? IDK..

The SI batteries make too much sense. Old man in house that is white will never go for that, no money in it for them.

Jan 24, 2024#56

PTmowerMech

7394 said:
I read that Elon Musk has bought Ford Mo Co. True ? IDK..

The SI batteries make too much sense. Old man in house that is white will never go for that, no money in it for them.

SI do make a lot of sense. And they kill two birds with one stone.

One of the reasons why there's so few desalinization plants along our coast is the brine that released back into the oceans. Where it's piped back into the oceans, makes it too salty for marine life. This brine can be used in SI batteries. In fact it would reduce the cost of getting the salt out of the water if much of the water is already extracted.

I don't see Biden going against SI batteries. Unless it's only to take up for the oil companies. Despite popular belief, Biden has been very good to the oil companies. Record high profits so far under him. And now, record high oil/gas production.

I think the Musk/Ford thing is fake news.

Jan 24, 2024#57

7394

PTmowerMech said:
I think the Musk/Ford thing is fake news.

No comment on biden. But agree Musk / Ford is more fake news.

Jan 24, 2024#58

PTmowerMech

7394 said:
No comment on biden. But agree Musk / Ford is more fake news.

What about him? He's a lying politician, like 99% of the others. "I'm going to end fossil fuels in the USA." One of the biggest lies I've ever heard. But for some reason, so many people on both sides believed him.

Jan 25, 2024#59

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bertsmobile1

PTmowerMech said:
What about him? He's a lying politician, like 99% of the others. "I'm going to end fossil fuels in the USA." One of the biggest lies I've ever heard. But for some reason, so many people on both sides believed him.

Removing all fossel fuels will take decades because we have become so reliant upon them .
To date not a single large agricultural equipment maker has any plans to change from diesel engines
On a open mike radio show a while back one cocky mentioned that to use a battery powered combine he would have to be dragging 25 ton of battery behind and that would take 2 days to charge and only last 12 hours, so he would need 3 of them as a tow behind power source .
Harvest takes 220 hours non stop on his property in a good year
As I have said before CO2 is a tiny part but for some strange reason it is the only thing people are talking about
Roof top solar to a local or community battery is a game changer but highly unlikely to happen because of legal & financial problems about the land it sits on and every one buying back up batteries will be too expensive for individual households .
A flow cell battery ( the only one that stacks up environmentally & economically ) big enough for 10 Aust houses overnight is around the size of a 20' shipping container
Currently the best solution has been to put it in 2 peoples back yard evenly agains the fence line of the next 2 connected households then run a driveway to it through the other * peoples back yards ( sort of reinventing the old dunny cart lanes ) but that requires redrawing the registering the property boundaries which costs a mint to do .

Jan 25, 2024#60

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hlw49

To me the best sources of energy are hydro electric and necular.

Jan 25, 2024#61

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
Removing all fossel fuels will take decades because we have become so reliant upon them .

Obviously, Biden was lying. My point was that so many on the left and right believed him. But that's the USA for you. Trump has lied more than any president I've seen in my entire life. And he's got folks who believe everything he says. They claim he was sent here by god himself to lead this country.

Personally, I think lying should be an impeachable offense. That any politician getting caught lying should either be barred from campaigning, or thrown out of office.

One of my favorite quotes is from "Chernobyl." The series.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

Jan 25, 2024#62

PTmowerMech

hlw49 said:
To me the best sources of energy are hydro electric and necular.

I'm good with gas/oil. And pretty much any other source. I understand the need to move away from oil for a lot of things. Like EV's for those who use it as it's supposed to be used. Daily commute's within the distance perimeters. Having solar panels to charge batteries at home to power one's house and even charge their EV's when they get home.

It's just electricity. I don't care what makes the lights, A/C and heater come on. Just as long as it comes on and is cheap to operate.

If someone ever came up with an idea that created free energy, and was cheap to manufacture and install, they'd probably sell the idea to an energy company for a few million $$$, and it (the idea) would never see the light of day again.

Jan 27, 2024#63

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bertsmobile1

PTmowerMech said:
Obviously, Biden was lying. My point was that so many on the left and right believed him. But that's the USA for you. Trump has lied more than any president I've seen in my entire life. And he's got folks who believe everything he says. They claim he was sent here by god himself to lead this country.

Personally, I think lying should be an impeachable offense. That any politician getting caught lying should either be barred from campaigning, or thrown out of office.

One of my favorite quotes is from "Chernobyl." The series.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

Getting way off but we have truth in advertising laws down here so if you make a claim in an add it has to be true, and this has caught a lot of car makers out .
Any way the 2 exceptions are religious advertising and political advertising.
So what does that tell you ?
As for trump he is a lot more dangerous than most think and is setting up the USA for armed revolt and setting himself up to become a dictator
Most of what he has done is directly from Putins play book
I had thought the whole Carrol trials had been very badly handled then when his attorney addressed the media after the 87 Mil judgement it all became clear . All of th supposed mistakes that ruled out his evidence what not incompetence but done so he could be portrayed as a victim and the "hero of the 1st amendment " protecting the rights of the common man
The best summary I have seen was the Lincoln projects add parody

Jan 27, 2024#64

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bertsmobile1

hlw49 said:
To me the best sources of energy are hydro electric and necular.

Problem is neither of them removes heat and everything we do adds heat
The media has become fixiated on CO2 which is a tiny contributor to the problem .
And the problem is simply we are accumulating & generating heat faster than it can be radiated into space overnight .

Jan 27, 2024#65

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
Getting way off but we have truth in advertising laws down here so if you make a claim in an add it has to be true, and this has caught a lot of car makers out .
Any way the 2 exceptions are religious advertising and political advertising.
So what does that tell you ?
As for trump he is a lot more dangerous than most think and is setting up the USA for armed revolt and setting himself up to become a dictator
Most of what he has done is directly from Putins play book
I had thought the whole Carrol trials had been very badly handled then when his attorney addressed the media after the 87 Mil judgement it all became clear . All of th supposed mistakes that ruled out his evidence what not incompetence but done so he could be portrayed as a victim and the "hero of the 1st amendment " protecting the rights of the common man
The best summary I have seen was the Lincoln projects add parody

Carroll is a gold digger. Trump's a liar and an ego maniac. She lies, he lies and we decide which lie they're going to believe, based on lies we're told by them both and the MSM.

Believe you me, the US has a TON of gold diggers in this country. If a man has any big money at all, he's playing with fire with any woman he meets up with now days.

Jan 27, 2024#66

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
Problem is neither of them removes heat and everything we do adds heat
The media has become fixiated on CO2 which is a tiny contributor to the problem .
And the problem is simply we are accumulating & generating heat faster than it can be radiated into space overnight .

I'm not so sure about that. Because the vast oceans that make up 75% of the earths surface, produces no heat. Then you have winters on both sides of the globe that cools things off.

It's going to take a hundreds of thousands of years to see any major man made affects to our climate. The EPA and other agencies have pushed regulations in place that squelch a lot of the heat created by man. If we were still running the same standards as we were in the 50's and 60's, I buy what you're saying.

As far as the C02 goes, we simply need a big supply of plants and trees.

Jan 27, 2024#67

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hlw49

PTmowerMech said:
Obviously, Biden was lying. My point was that so many on the left and right believed him. But that's the USA for you. Trump has lied more than any president I've seen in my entire life. And he's got folks who believe everything he says. They claim he was sent here by god himself to lead this country.

Personally, I think lying should be an impeachable offense. That any politician getting caught lying should either be barred from campaigning, or thrown out of office.

One of my favorite quotes is from "Chernobyl." The series.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

If they threw them out of office there would be no politicians in Washington. If Bidens lips are moving he is lying. Look what they are saying about the border. The Border is closed? That is why Abbott is putting up more fencing on the Border. Biden sued Texas and the Supreme Court said they could cut it down. Biden is having the National Guard cut it down. SCOTUS did not say Texas could not put it up and when it is cut they put it back up. Good for Texas 25 other Govs. are siding with Texas.

Jan 27, 2024#68

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hlw49

If an American citizen lies to congress that is a felony and they can get jail time. If a member of congress lies to the American public nothing happens. Not the way it should be. I don't think politicians should be able to make up lies about an oppoinent.

Jan 27, 2024#69

7394

I'm out, politicial opinions always have opposing views..

The country is not better off that it was.

Jan 27, 2024#70

PTmowerMech

hlw49 said:
If they threw them out of office there would be no politicians in Washington. If Bidens lips are moving he is lying. Look what they are saying about the border. The Border is closed? That is why Abbott is putting up more fencing on the Border. Biden sued Texas and the Supreme Court said they could cut it down. Biden is having the National Guard cut it down. SCOTUS did not say Texas could not put it up and when it is cut they put it back up. Good for Texas 25 other Govs. are siding with Texas.

They've been cutting it down since Texas started putting it up.

I'm siding with Abbott on this issue. It's gotten way out of hand. But the US government supersedes the states border policies. Apparently Two of the conservative judges, including one Trump judge thinks so.
And considering that those coming here, by constitutional definition of "invasion," aren't invaders. They're seeking refugee status. If it was the Mexican government and their military, that would be a different story.
I get it, there's too many here. And they need to wait in line. And they're getting too many handouts.

But honestly, the way Americans have become lazy, Especially genz, someone's gotta do those jobs. Mexicans and south Americans are some of the hardest working people I've met. They don't cry because someone hurt their feelings or misgendered them. They don't sue over minor issue. Heck, my mail lady won't even bring a package up to the door when the neighbors dog is in my yard. And he's one of the most friendliest dogs.

Jan 27, 2024#71

PTmowerMech

hlw49 said:
If they threw them out of office there would be no politicians in Washington. If Bidens lips are moving he is lying. Look what they are saying about the border. The Border is closed? That is why Abbott is putting up more fencing on the Border. Biden sued Texas and the Supreme Court said they could cut it down. Biden is having the National Guard cut it down. SCOTUS did not say Texas could not put it up and when it is cut they put it back up. Good for Texas 25 other Govs. are siding with Texas.

They'd get replaced. Being a politician is still a good paying gig. Even without all the lobbyist money. We have a good system. We just have a pack of liars in office who don't care about the people once they're elected.

Jan 28, 2024#72

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hlw49

I don't have a problem with legal immigrants. It's the illegals that are killing our country. The Dems want them because their policies are ruining our country and they are loosing their voter base, They want to make it legal of illegals to vote and the more they are the more congress men there are to represent their states. Even the cities that are blue are not crying for them to stop the flow. They just want more money to help address the issues. We don't know what is crossing the border. A lot of them are young chinese men and other naltionalities of fighting age. These are possible terrorist. God help us all God bless the USA. We need Trump back in office.

Jan 28, 2024#73

PTmowerMech

If I was living poor in Mexico or South America, or anywhere really, I'd do what I had to do to come to the US. Even if coming illegally was my only option.
Applying for a visa in Mexico costs about $500. If you don't have a credit record or own property, regardless of how decent you are, you're denied. And you lose the $500.
I knew a man who went through that 3 times. You know how hard it is to raise $500 in Mexico, when the going rate for labor is like $15 per DAY? (and still care for your family)

So a decade ago, he hopped and skipped across the Rio with some friends. And now, he's got the best yard services in that town. Has a nice house, nice cars and still supports his family back in Mexico. The man is truly decent. He's now a legal citizens. But there was no possible way he could've done it the legal way.
This is the vast majority of people coming here, who are just trying to better their lives for themselves and their families. Especially for their kids.
I'm in no way siding with the left on this issue. Just bringing up the facts. And keeping an open mind as to why they come here. Which is something the right don't want to address. If they addressed that, then this problem would finally have a solution. But putting up barriers and trying to block them will never work.

As a small engine mechanic, you know there's more than one way to fix most problems.

Jan 28, 2024#74

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hlw49

Those are not the kind of people I am concerned with. It is the criminals that these countries are sending into our country. They are empenting their prisons insane assylums into our country. 300,000 illegals crossed into our country in the month of December alone. Congress is bringing articles of impeacment against Mayorkas because he will not uphold the laws. The Biden admistration has opened it up to anyone that wants to come in and vetting no one. We have illegals from 125 different countries cross our borders.

Jan 29, 2024#75

StarTech

Basically it comes down to info we are fed is cherry picked by the Right and Left. We need the whole story not just one side's of it. Otherwords we need the nitty gritty of it.

We do need to get operational control of the borders and it looks like once Congress passes a law with teeth we close it down. This way we start sending back all the illegal crossers back to their home country. Even Mexico is being hit by illegals. Those that are crossing illegal got to be pretty well at their last straw to go though razor wire.

Amd I remember one story of that big wall being used to catapult drugs over the border. They actually welded the catapult to the wall.

Jan 29, 2024#76

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hlw49

We already have the laws present adminstration just refuses to enforce them.

Jan 29, 2024#77

StarTech

You got to remember everytime our presidents try to control the border with executive orders and our weak immigration laws they get sued and the courts rule against them. NAd can't build concentration camps due our humanitarian laws. So there is only so much room we have to put people awaiting processing.

And all those that are bitching about the foreigners really need to take a serious look into their own family histories. There virtually no native people of this country left. Nearly all of us are of foreign descent with quite a few coming here illegally to start with.

Although I have some Cherokee descent in my bloodline a good portion of it is from European descent. Either way I did not add to the current population other than myself.

I would think even the Great DJT has a lot foreign blood in his family history that he is so trying so hard to ignore. And I would put past it that some his distant relatives came here illegally too.

Just think the Europeans came here and just took over while slaughtering the American Indians and stealing their lands.

So what skeletons are hidden in all of our closets.

Jan 29, 2024#78

mcostello

My family all immigrated and They all did it legally.

Jan 29, 2024#79

Padroo

I remember Hertz saying earlier that their Teslas had a huge savings in repair costs compared to ICE.
This is Australian Hertz news.

Hertz says Tesla fleet of rental EVs are 50 pct cheaper to maintain than fossil fuel cars

Rental car giant says it’s making 50-60% savings on maintenance costs with its recently acquired Tesla fleet compared to fossil fuel cars.

thedriven.io

Jan 29, 2024#80

StarTech

mcostello said:
My family all immigrated and They all did it legally.

Very good and thanks for adding to our Great Melting Pot of ideas and improvement of our abilities overall. As long we can can get along and compromise we all benefit.

The problem is the illegals but there some among us population that consider all immigrates bad and that is not right at all. My neighbor and one my best friends is first generation American German. Both his parents are Germans that came here legally after WWII.

Jan 29, 2024#81

7394

Padroo said:
I remember Hertz saying earlier that their Teslas had a huge savings in repair costs compared to ICE.
This is Australian Hertz news.

Old piece, now Hertz is dumping 20K of them, due to customer complaints & cost to fix etc..

Jan 29, 2024#82

StarTech

Oh things looks good on at first then when the true info is revealed is the Poop hits the fan as the saying goes. Or the saying the proof is in the pudding. It when you a history of real life repairs the true cost becomes apparent.

Over the years I have been told things are impossible that I have seen and proved otherwise like when they screw up a chip and have calculators adding wrong.

Jan 30, 2024#83

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bertsmobile1

hlw49 said:
I don't have a problem with legal immigrants. It's the illegals that are killing our country. The Dems want them because their policies are ruining our country and they are loosing their voter base, They want to make it legal of illegals to vote and the more they are the more congress men there are to represent their states. Even the cities that are blue are not crying for them to stop the flow. They just want more money to help address the issues. We don't know what is crossing the border. A lot of them are young chinese men and other naltionalities of fighting age. These are possible terrorist. God help us all God bless the USA. We need Trump back in office.

Here is a little post , no BS , no political bias , just plain facts about the "border crisis " and if you are too lazy or closed minded to watch the video here is the crux.
Border crossing is directly proportional to unemployment , the share market , investor confidence & inflation
It has nothing, nadda, diddly squat to do with the colour of the undies the bum behind the big desk in the oval office is wearing.
This will of course offend may as it goes directly against their religion but that is the simple truth and truth always hurts .
Jakes video is not the best, but I could not find the one I was looking for.
And Jake is like me a swinging voter so has no political alliances and funny enough neither does the number of people crossing the border
So watch and get the truth without the political spin form both sides . Both these men as US war veterans . View in YT or you will not be able to read the charts.

And another one from a person who faced a real invasion and worked in border force to put a different slant on things

Jan 30, 2024#84

StarTech

Very good Bert. Now maybe some the hard heads might think twice about this issue. I kinda doubt it but if they at least watched the whole video it will be in the back of their minds.

And I do agree the employers of illegal should face mandatory jail time. But as the first video puts it no one in the deep state wants this problem to be fixed. Just to much money involved.

I feel the same way about employers that work US citizens under the table per say just to keep from their fair share of the taxes. I got one company right near me that is doing this. The workers thinks it is great but just wait until they need to start drawing their SS and find out how much it has hurt them financially.

And the second video just proves that the Texas mess is just a major political stunt to distract from the real problem. They are just interfering with the US Federal enforcement of the border. They are just playing to the extremist views for votes. Really all they are doing is making the mess worst.

Jan 30, 2024#85

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bertsmobile1

StarTech said:
Very good Bert. Now maybe some the hard heads might think twice about this issue. I kinda doubt it but if they at least watched the whole video it will be in the back of their minds.

And I do agree the employers of illegal should face mandatory jail time. But as the first video puts it no one in the deep state wants this problem to be fixed. Just to much money involved.

I feel the same way about employers that work US citizens under the table per say just to keep from their fair share of the taxes. I got one company right near me that is doing this. The workers thinks it is great but just wait until they need to start drawing their SS and find out how much it has hurt them financially.

And the second video just proves that the Texas mess is just a major political stunt to distract from the real problem. They are just interfering with the US Federal enforcement of the border. They are just playing to the extremist views for votes. Really all they are doing is making the mess worst.

If you watched the whole thing on a YT window so you could read the comments I did a reply there which reflects my experiences
I use the tag "I got a brain and know how to use it" on YT
They are both from the pro Ukraine war but particularly Combat Veterans video was really informative
There was a better one but i will be dipped in doggy doo if I can find it now because he used much of the same data but made his own graphs then laid them on top of each other and they lined up almost perfect with about a 9 month lag between unemployment & undocumanted border crossers .

And yes he is right, when we brought in fines for employers the ruling party had an absolute majority in both houses but in the next election they ended up as a minority government and then we cycled to the other side , also as minority government in the 2nd election and although they has vowed to repeal the law, the hysteria whipped up about 60,000 boat refugees was so big they had no chance and 12 years latter business has gotten used to it as we brought in the "Guest Worker" scheme and that wnt down well with the small Pacific Island nations so everything remained .

Jan 30, 2024#86

StarTech

Yes it would be a big adjustment but as with everything time makes a big difference in attitudes. It when they keep changing the rules of game is when it becomes a pain. It can be as aggravating as our Yo-Yo weather of late.

As far I know we have a work visa program here. The problem is the visa expires they don't get renewed and the worker just don't return to the place they came from. We have so few enforcement personnel that those that over stays their visas takes year to catch and deport. Meanwhile they have started families which things even harder to correct.

In a perfect world everybody would follow the rules of the game but the world is not perfect so a lot just ignores the rules until they are catch and punished. More get by then get punished.

Jan 30, 2024#87

PTmowerMech

It's always irked me that one side is half honest, the other side is half honest, and most of us have to sift through the lies to get the truth.
Especially when the truth is something that both sides would agree or disagree on, together.

Jan 30, 2024#88

StarTech

PT the truth is simple but telling it seems to be impossible for most politicians. They rather go though a raging fire then tell the truth. I have had been point blank lie to my face when I had the answer on paper in front of me that they passed as law. Really pisses them off when you confront with it too.

As one neighbor once put it here. How do you tell when a politician is lying? You see their lips moving. And darn if he was right most times.

This why politics are such a touchy subject as there are those that believe these lies instead of actually checking things out. Personally I try to research thing a thoroughly as I can using as many source as I can find and even then you can come to the wrong answer depending how good and accurate the research material is.

BTW anyone got any support braces for my mailbox it is being overload with Medicare junk mail? I thought there was no money to be made in Medicare insurance.

Jan 30, 2024#89

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bertsmobile1

StarTech said:
Yes it would be a big adjustment but as with everything time makes a big difference in attitudes. It when they keep changing the rules of game is when it becomes a pain. It can be as aggravating as our Yo-Yo weather of late.

As far I know we have a work visa program here. The problem is the visa expires they don't get renewed and the worker just don't return to the place they came from. We have so few enforcement personnel that those that over stays their visas takes year to catch and deport. Meanwhile they have started families which things even harder to correct.

In a perfect world everybody would follow the rules of the game but the world is not perfect so a lot just ignores the rules until they are catch and punished. More get by then get punished.

Guest workers scheme is a bit different as the workers have to come through a labour hire company .
If 100% of them do not return then the labour hire company looses it's license to supply guest workers and I think there is also a bond
And any worker who stays on once deported can never return and they get a big tax refund when going back
Contracts are short, usually for 3 to 6 month duration as they are mostly fruit & veg pickers .

Jan 30, 2024#90

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
PT the truth is simple but telling it seems to be impossible for most politicians. They rather go though a raging fire then tell the truth. I have had been point blank lie to my face when I had the answer on paper in front of me that they passed as law. Really pisses them off when you confront with it too.

As one neighbor once put it here. How do you tell when a politician is lying? You see their lips moving. And darn if he was right most times.

This why politics are such a touchy subject as there are those that believe these lies instead of actually checking things out. Personally I try to research thing a thoroughly as I can using as many source as I can find and even then you can come to the wrong answer depending how good and accurate the research material is.

BTW anyone got any support braces for my mailbox it is being overload with Medicare junk mail? I thought there was no money to be made in Medicare insurance.

I belong to a few other forums, that have a political section. After bissecting the lies from both sides and coming up with what can only be the truth, One side calls me a Biden supporter. And the other side swears I'm a Trump supporter.
And I swear, I don't like either one of them.

This quote doesn't matter to political loyalist. "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Jan 31, 2024#91

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bertsmobile1

Happens to me all the time
It is because I am a swing voter and to be truthful only ever voted for a major party 4 times in 55 years of voting .
FWIW I subscribe to Ground News at the 2nd level as not being a journo I only need to know where a story originated from & the chain of repeats till it became mainstream.
It is sort of fun to tell people that a story is pure BS when they "break" it to me then a week latter get asked how come I knew it was BS & they didn't
Being a swing voter and using a VPN it hides my previous viewing from the web search engines so they have to show me everything because they do not know my biases

Jan 31, 2024#92

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Basically it comes down to info we are fed is cherry picked by the Right and Left. We need the whole story not just one side's of it. Otherwords we need the nitty gritty of it.

We do need to get operational control of the borders and it looks like once Congress passes a law with teeth we close it down. This way we start sending back all the illegal crossers back to their home country. Even Mexico is being hit by illegals. Those that are crossing illegal got to be pretty well at their last straw to go though razor wire.

Amd I remember one story of that big wall being used to catapult drugs over the border. They actually welded the catapult to the wall.

That's one thing about this border issue that seems to get's overlook, the potus has the authority to secure the border. The right blames Biden for not using his authority to do it. But never address why Trump didn't when he was there. If it was as easy as exercising some presidential authority, then Trump failed. His supporters can't seem to connect those dots.

All these half truths have people confused.

Jan 31, 2024#93

StarTech

PT the problem is most people have a faulty separator tube. (TV and CB Jargon) When it comes to politics I think common sense is thrown under the bus. There is so much BS being thrown out even I have a hard time ignoring it but I have to if I going to learn the truth.

But I personally avoid social media because of all the hateful attitude toward someone that has a different view point. Even here I get snapped at times for posting correct info based actual knowledge.

And when it comes to politics here if someone starts I just walk away; just like religion discussions. Both are nothing but trouble. Some folks are so into it they would just kill you if they could get by with it if you are of a different opinion.

And the quote you posted is very true for anything. But as you are probably aware some would argue with a sign without a letter on it.

But meanwhile I am dog hunting the next few days. I seen the culprit this morning attacking one my pet roosters. The boxer is dead meat for killing multiple chickens of mine. Sorry but it is has to be done. The owner should kept their dog under their supervision and control.

Jan 31, 2024#94

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
That's one thing about this border issue that seems to get's overlook, the potus has the authority to secure the border. The right blames Biden for not using his authority to do it. But never address why Trump didn't when he was there. If it was as easy as exercising some presidential authority, then Trump failed. His supporters can't seem to connect those dots.

All these half truths have people confused.

Well if it was that easy then why did Trump have to use Title 42 to try to stop the immigrates? I think we all need to look to the actual laws that limits POTUS ability to do anything. Even the physical barrier didn't stop them, just slowed then down.

It look like the Republicans are just wanting us to setup machine gun nests along the border and kill anything that moves which violation of international humanitarian laws. Just look how Russia is doing by sending guys against the enemy just to get kill and then the next waves walk over the dead ones and so far until they over overload the enemy or decide it is a lost cause.

It not just our country responsibility but also the other countries involved responsibility to help to control the flow. Even Mexico has the same problem as we do.

At least the Senate is trying to do something finally by giving the POTUS actual authorization to close the border but the House wants just use the issue as political football.

Which btw is not a full closure we will still have authorized ports of entry open. But even those may have to be closed at times due overloads.

Jan 31, 2024#95

StarTech

And here is a link to the US Immigration and Nationality Act for all of us to read but be aware it is not something you can do with a few minutes more like weeks.

Btw it is the Secretary of State that is responsible for the enforcement not the POTUS.

then comes the President, Attorney General, the Secretary of State, the officers of the Department of State, or diplomatic or consular officers: Provided, however, That determination and ruling by the Attorney General with respect to all questions of law shall be controlling.

Jan 31, 2024#96

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Well if it was that easy then why did Trump have to use Title 42 to try to stop the immigrates? I think we all need to look to the actual laws that limits POTUS ability to do anything. Even the physical barrier didn't stop them, just slowed then down.

It look like the Republicans are just wanting us to setup machine gun nests along the border and kill anything that moves which violation of international humanitarian laws. Just look how Russia is doing by sending guys against the enemy just to get kill and then the next waves walk over the dead ones and so far until they over overload the enemy or decide it is a lost cause.

It not just our country responsibility but also the other countries involved responsibility to help to control the flow. Even Mexico has the same problem as we do.

At least the Senate is trying to do something finally by giving the POTUS actual authorization to close the border but the House wants just use the issue as political football.

Which btw is not a full closure we will still have authorized ports of entry open. But even those may have to be closed at times due overloads.

Agreed. And one thing that also irks me is the way the right is treating migrants like they were 1935 German jews.

Jan 31, 2024#97

7394

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Feb 3, 2024#98

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hlw49

Washington, December 2, 2022

PTmowerMech said:
Agreed. And one thing that also irks me is the way the right is treating migrants like they were 1935 German jews.

One thing I have learned with this whole Biden adminstration if the Dems are accusing the Republications of doing something they are the ones doing it.

Feb 3, 2024#99

StarTech

First both republicans and democrats are at fault. Its not just one side or the other. Just remember you get what you voted for.

It like the tariffs DJT placed on the China and EU goods. It is a tax that consumer ultimately pays through higher prices.

And it is like Gardner and RBI charging me 3% convenience fee for to pay by CC. That extra charge just get pass along to the consumer. So what starts out at $100 for me becomes $103. Now consider I mark things up by 35% GPM the initial $100 becomes $153.87 and with the 3% surcharge now that same product is now $158.46. Now of course part of the profit does goes toward the SHC costs too which has the 3% surcharge added. But either way that is nearly a $5 dollar increase for the consumer.

Now what DJT did was to add at least 10% tariff so that same $100 items becomes $110 before the CC surcharge which with it becomes $113.30 cost and the next consumer pays $174.31 all for the same item provided I do the same GPM. Just think what the consumer was to initially pay goes from $153.87 to $174.31 or basically they pay an extra $20.44 for the same item. And just think that is my cost to the consumer. No telling how many middle men has also marked the costs along the way before I even get the product. It just snowballs.

And what worst is the 3% CC surcharge is also charged on SHC fees so the actual profit is less than you think. And that before final yearly taxes on final actual profit.

So now you know I fought so hard to get on ACH payments so both me and my customers pays less overall. Matter of fact it took me 7 months to get Gardner to change me over so they lost 7 months of sales as I refused to pay the surcharge fees.

And top of that we are still paying those DJT tariffs as the Biden has not repealed most them. So it becomes fees upon fees upon fees which just adds to the inflation overall. Tariffs sounds great upfront until you do the math and realized that the consumer is the one that actually pays them. And Government get the initial 10% tariff fee for their own use.

CC = Credit Card
GPM = Gross Profit Margin
SHC = shipping handling charges

And here is a great example of the voter IQ. About 10+ yrs aog a property tax were up renewal with an added property tax being asked to approve. They had a great opportunity to reduce their overall property taxes by 50%. Example is the 10mil tax renewal that we were voting on along with a 5 mil additional tax. They voted to renewal the 10 mil but turn down the extra 5 mil. All they had to do was vote down the 10mil tax and approve the 5mil tax thus cutting their tax by 50%. Now wasn't that smart of them.

Well 10+ yrs later another county in same state had the same situation but those voters had a much higher IQ and they cut their taxes by 2/3. Boy is that county government bitching to high heavens now.

Feb 3, 2024#100

StarTech

And what worst is that DJT is now saying he wants to increase those tariffs to 25% or higher so go out and vote for DJT and another 15%+ could be taken out of your wallet.

So item that cost before the tariffs would now be $125. + 3% CC = $128.75 and with my 35 GPM becomes $198.08.

But of course that is why he is a billionaire as he get you to pay his bills.

Feb 4, 2024#101

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bertsmobile1

StarTech said:
And what worst is that DJT is now saying he wants to increase those tariffs to 25% or higher so go out and vote for DJT and another 15%+ could be taken out of your wallet.

So item that cost before the tariffs would now be $125. + 3% CC = $128.75 and with my 35 GPM becomes $198.08.

But of course that is why he is a billionaire as he get you to pay his bills.

And his trophy wife's bills as well
Apparently his election campaign fund has paid her clothing stylist $ 375,000 & her hair stylise $ 172,000 all from the monthly subscriptions the smucks pay up to the GOP .
No one is 100% bad though.
He continued with the Obama made in America policy paying companies billions to shift manufacture back to the USA
Harley closed down their wheel factory in South Australia & shifted it back to the USA and of course B & S shifted the Vanguard factory to the USA.
The tax on Chinese imports was supposed to stimulate US manufacturing but mostly it shifted production from China to Korea, Taiwan , Ukraine , Vietnam , Cambodia , India etc etc .
The only big ticket items made in the USA are weapons and the Ukrainian funding crisis has cause a lot of foreign governments to cancel orders from the USA and place them with reliable vendors in Europe . The biggest loosers are the US people of course because when those contacts get cancelled the price to the US military goes up to account for the lost overseas sales .

Feb 4, 2024#102

StarTech

Isn't the politicians the smartest people around?

We all know DJT says he is a Stable Genius.

And it comes the OEMS here lately they doing their best to start hiding all the individual oems part numbers they are using. Just tried looking up that CC 2012 GTX2000 transaxle even the CC ipls don't list their own PN for it. I did manage to find it is a two piece setup with a HG BDP-10 series pump

Give Briggs for example. Just last year I had a fairly new Briggs new in the shop that needed a coil. Guess what Briggs didn't sell anything for that engine other a carburetor repair kit. When I contacted them they said oh the factory we had produced at closed so no parts are available.

Feb 4, 2024#103

ILENGINE

StarTech said:
Give Briggs for example. Just last year I had a fairly new Briggs new in the shop that needed a coil. Guess what Briggs didn't sell anything for that engine other a carburetor repair kit. When I contacted them they said oh the factory we had produced at closed so no parts are available.

Definitely getting bad. I am running into cases where when a part number goes obsolete they remove the part number from the IPL so there isn't even a reference to try to find used or aftermarket or even knockoff parts. Or the other thing is they OEM will remove the model entirely to the point that the model doesn't even show up in an internet search.

Feb 4, 2024#104

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Give Briggs for example. Just last year I had a fairly new Briggs new in the shop that needed a coil. Guess what Briggs didn't sell anything for that engine other a carburetor repair kit. When I contacted them they said oh the factory we had produced at closed so no parts are available.

That's messed up. How can they continue building the engine, if they can't even get all the parts for it? I supposed they just get the manufacturers of the model this goes on to install a different engine?

I supposed, it doesn't matter to the customer. I've never seen one who loyal to any certain Briggs engine. Most aren't even loyal to a specific brand. Much less a certain engine.

Feb 4, 2024#105

ILENGINE

PTmowerMech said:
That's messed up. How can they continue building the engine, if they can't even get all the parts for it? I supposed they just get the manufacturers of the model this goes on to install a different engine?

I supposed, it doesn't matter to the customer. I've never seen one who loyal to any certain Briggs engine. Most aren't even loyal to a specific brand. Much less a certain engine.

If I remember correctly this engine is question was fitted on a pressure washer and when Briggs left the pressure washer and portable generator market, they stopped supporting those products as well as the engines that were fitted to them.

Feb 4, 2024#106

StarTech

Bingo IL that engine was on a pressure washer if I remember correctly but a lot has gone the shop since then.

But yes this mess is getting to a point that I am about to quit the business and just the young folks have the headaches. It like I am supposed to be able to lookup the Kohler short blocks by serial to order parts but the website don't even recognized the serial numbers. I had to email Kohler - Italy to get the IPL for the short block. Then I got the engine repaired.

Or with PD they not telling us when a part is NLA in the price lists. Having to research all over the place just find out the part is NLA.

Feb 4, 2024#107

PTmowerMech

150yrs of R & D control, you'd think the voters would've had enough by now. Maybe another 150 more years and we'll wise up.

Feb 4, 2024#108

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Bingo IL that engine was on a pressure washer if I remember correctly but a lot has gone the shop since then.

But yes this mess is getting to a point that I am about to quit the business and just the young folks have the headaches. It like I am supposed to be able to lookup the Kohler short blocks by serial to order parts but the website don't even recognized the serial numbers. I had to email Kohler - Italy to get the IPL for the short block. Then I got the engine repaired.

Or with PD they not telling us when a part is NLA in the price lists. Having to research all over the place just find out the part is NLA.

The pumps probably went out 100 times more than the coils. And if they stopped making the pumps, then they were sent to the scrap yard. That's usually what happens to pressure washers. And with the cost of the pumps, or a rebuild, it's no wonder.

Feb 4, 2024#109

ILENGINE

PTmowerMech said:
The pumps probably went out 100 times more than the coils. And if they stopped making the pumps, then they were sent to the scrap yard. That's usually what happens to pressure washers. And with the cost of the pumps, or a rebuild, it's no wonder.

In this case it was due to the Briggs bankruptcy and them getting out of the pressure washer and portable generator market. And since that division was shutdown it was determined that they were going to limit support of the engines used on those items.

Feb 4, 2024#110

StarTech

All I know for sure is that customers around here are avoiding Briggs engines. Before the bankruptcy I was selling about ten engines per year. And I haven' sold single Briggs since.

It still comes down to financial investors pulling the plug on low volume low profit items.

Most verticals don't much in repairs most times but I did install one horizontal and vertical pump last year (consumer grade). The replacements were cheaper than the rebuild kit for the old pumps.

Feb 5, 2024#111

PTmowerMech

ILENGINE said:
In this case it was due to the Briggs bankruptcy and them getting out of the pressure washer and portable generator market. And since that division was shutdown it was determined that they were going to limit support of the engines used on those items.

I'm glad to see Briggs only filing bankruptcy and not going completely under. Think about how big of a mess that would've been for repair shops.

Feb 5, 2024#112

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
All I know for sure is that customers around here are avoiding Briggs engines. Before the bankruptcy I was selling about ten engines per year. And I haven' sold single Briggs since.

It still comes down to financial investors pulling the plug on low volume low profit items.

Most verticals don't much in repairs most times but I did install one horizontal and vertical pump last year (consumer grade). The replacements were cheaper than the rebuild kit for the old pumps.

Were your customers specifically avoiding Briggs or were you pushing a different brand? Most of my customers wouldn't care either way.
Note: I don't have any commercial customers anymore.

Feb 5, 2024#113

ILENGINE

PTmowerMech said:
I'm glad to see Briggs only filing bankruptcy and not going completely under. Think about how big of a mess that would've been for repair shops.

Look at my next post concerning Kohler

Feb 5, 2024#114

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
Were your customers specifically avoiding Briggs or were you pushing a different brand? Most of my customers wouldn't care either way.
Note: I don't have any commercial customers anymore.

I don't push anything other than myself which taking a pushing right now with this Afib.

Feb 6, 2024#115

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
I don't push anything other than myself which taking a pushing right now with this Afib.

I didn't mean that to sound like you're pushy. Except for maybe some scumbag IRS agent.

Feb 6, 2024#116

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
I didn't mean that to sound like you're pushy. Except for maybe some scumbag IRS agent.

Oh I know what you meant. It is that I just not a pushy salesman.

Feb 7, 2024#117

D

davis2

7394 said:
V10 was only in the Ram for a special Edltion, back around 2004. V12 IDK of any..

Read the EV teslas don't charge in the artic temps we got.. Overpriced & useless.

Ford had a V10 as well

Feb 7, 2024#118

D

davis2

StarTech said:
Sounds like we need to get some hay burners and buggies. Then of there is a problem with by products. Some are explosive.

Farts from horses could be a flamethrower! No smoking zone for sure!!!

Feb 7, 2024#119

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davis2

Jimmy the Lock said:
The stock holders should demand that the liberals running this company should be... let go!
View attachment 67641

Oh boy, Bert will be angry now! He may call you an Orange Jesus supporter now!

Feb 7, 2024#120

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davis2

7394 said:
No, I agree 100%. Saw a piece on TV about a family that was pro vaccine tonite. Said they let their under 12 year old daughter take this New (testing-phase) covid shot. Kid got gravely ill in a day or so & was hospitalized 9 times, now having heart issues..

You don't hear a word about that stuff.

Not in the mainstream media. It doesn't fit Biden's handlers' narrative.

Feb 7, 2024#121

D

davis2

StarTech said:
PT the problem is most people have a faulty separator tube. (TV and CB Jargon) When it comes to politics I think common sense is thrown under the bus. There is so much BS being thrown out even I have a hard time ignoring it but I have to if I going to learn the truth.

But I personally avoid social media because of all the hateful attitude toward someone that has a different view point. Even here I get snapped at times for posting correct info based actual knowledge.

And when it comes to politics here if someone starts I just walk away; just like religion discussions. Both are nothing but trouble. Some folks are so into it they would just kill you if they could get by with it if you are of a different opinion.

And the quote you posted is very true for anything. But as you are probably aware some would argue with a sign without a letter on it.

But meanwhile I am dog hunting the next few days. I seen the culprit this morning attacking one my pet roosters. The boxer is dead meat for killing multiple chickens of mine. Sorry but it is has to be done. The owner should kept their dog under their supervision and control.

We also need to have our analoptic nerve cut, so we lose our $hitty outlook on life!!!

Feb 7, 2024#122

7394

The world ain't what it used to be..

Feb 7, 2024#123

D

davis2

7394 said:
The world ain't what it used to be..

Nope.

Feb 8, 2024#124

B

bertsmobile1

davis2 said:
Oh boy, Bert will be angry now! He may call you an Orange Jesus supporter now!

Davis .I do not get angry, well not very often
But the stockholders ARE the problem with just about every US listed company
Stock holders demanding ever increasing dividends is what destroys companies.
As I have mentioned on countless occasions, it is not the bum in the while house that is the problem it is Wall St
And it all boils down the the sacred document called the US constitution that like a bible is never allowed to be changed and now is jus about totally irrelevant
Add to that your absolutely idiotic election system and insanely short election terms and it is no wonder the US government is the laughing stock of the entire planet .
While the idea of primaries was good back in the 1800's when only the locals could be there and it was all word of mouth
They are totally outdated in the 21st century when the orange jesus can fly into every one throw piles of money at the biggest idiot in the room with the smallest IQ and they get voted in as the representative after slanging off at each other and trying to convince all and sundry that the other candidates are bigger criminals than they are .
I have no doubt back in the 1800's the candidates were all about what they could do for the state .
Then you have the electorial college that biases the presidential votes , the thing that the orange jesus faked and will go to prison for doing .
Now because congress is only for 2 years there is almost nothing a congress person can do in their term that will show a result before the end of that 2 years so it becomes a massive raffle of taxpayers dollars , which explains the real reason for the massive debt .
Now because you have the stupidly short congress cycles and because voting is voluntary the parties have to spend a fortune to encourage lazy American who would rather whine & cry than actually do something to get of their ever widening butts ( Americans are the most obese population on the planet ) and vote
Now these hundreds of millions have to come from some where and the bulk comes from Wall St and for them it is a INVESTMENT , not a donation and they want a dividend from which ever party gets the bums on seats .
So the US government really is the worst government money can buy and that goes for both coloured undies .
And this is why executive incomes have gone up by an average of 500 times, directors are in the thousands of times while workers are less than 1.5 times in the past 20 years .

Feb 8, 2024#125

B

bertsmobile1

7394 said:
The world ain't what it used to be..

It is called the internet
And then there is search algorithms .
I use a VPN so my Google suggestions are all over the place
Most people do not so the algorithms feed you 2 types of news
1) stuff that you will believe without a second of thought because of your confirmation bias , the bulk of which will not be true.
2) a small amount that is 100% against your views , designed to provoke a reaction and make more money for Google, X , Instagram, Tic Toc etc etc etc
And it is big business
Wagner employed 300,000 mostly Africans in their two "communications" businesses .
Their sole job was to create discontent in the government of whatever country he got paid the most for doing it to .
That is where Prigozhin made most of his money from.
Then when violence errupted as happened in Jan 6th in small countries he then offered his mercenary forces to the government of the country to put down the uprising he had created , usually for a chunk of mineral resources like gold, diamonds, cobalt or molly .
According to French doco, in Chad there was a 10 story building devoted solely to spreading lies into America via social media .
So some one who appears outwardly to be exactly like Ray on a mower forum is actually a paid propaganda spreader .
So a lot of these "an illegal stole my house " story or "my daughter was gang raped by 20 illegals " etc etc etc are totally BS but people believe them , even Congress people, who should fact check everything before they open their mouths because AFAIK it is an indictable offence to knowingly lie to congress

Feb 8, 2024#126

B

bertsmobile1

And apart from Putin paying people to spread lies in the USA , apparently some candidates are doing it as well
You will not find this reposted on fox

Feb 8, 2024#127

D

davis2

bertsmobile1 said:
Davis .I do not get angry, well not very often
But the stockholders ARE the problem with just about every US listed company
Stock holders demanding ever increasing dividends is what destroys companies.
As I have mentioned on countless occasions, it is not the bum in the while house that is the problem it is Wall St
And it all boils down the the sacred document called the US constitution that like a bible is never allowed to be changed and now is jus about totally irrelevant
Add to that your absolutely idiotic election system and insanely short election terms and it is no wonder the US government is the laughing stock of the entire planet .
While the idea of primaries was good back in the 1800's when only the locals could be there and it was all word of mouth
They are totally outdated in the 21st century when the orange jesus can fly into every one throw piles of money at the biggest idiot in the room with the smallest IQ and they get voted in as the representative after slanging off at each other and trying to convince all and sundry that the other candidates are bigger criminals than they are .
I have no doubt back in the 1800's the candidates were all about what they could do for the state .
Then you have the electorial college that biases the presidential votes , the thing that the orange jesus faked and will go to prison for doing .
Now because congress is only for 2 years there is almost nothing a congress person can do in their term that will show a result before the end of that 2 years so it becomes a massive raffle of taxpayers dollars , which explains the real reason for the massive debt .
Now because you have the stupidly short congress cycles and because voting is voluntary the parties have to spend a fortune to encourage lazy American who would rather whine & cry than actually do something to get of their ever widening butts ( Americans are the most obese population on the planet ) and vote
Now these hundreds of millions have to come from some where and the bulk comes from Wall St and for them it is a INVESTMENT , not a donation and they want a dividend from which ever party gets the bums on seats .
So the US government really is the worst government money can buy and that goes for both coloured undies .
And this is why executive incomes have gone up by an average of 500 times, directors are in the thousands of times while workers are less than 1.5 times in the past 20 years .

Bert, I didn't have the patience to read all of your post. You don't get the whole story in OZ. And I don't have enough knowledge of your government to critique it. So how about you stick to Aussie politics, and I'll worry about USA politics?
I will say our short terms benefit is, because anymore of Biden's douchency will kill us!

Feb 9, 2024#128

H

hlw49

StarTech said:
You got to remember everytime our presidents try to control the border with executive orders and our weak immigration laws they get sued and the courts rule against them. NAd can't build concentration camps due our humanitarian laws. So there is only so much room we have to put people awaiting processing.

And all those that are bitching about the foreigners really need to take a serious look into their own family histories. There virtually no native people of this country left. Nearly all of us are of foreign descent with quite a few coming here illegally to start with.

Although I have some Cherokee descent in my bloodline a good portion of it is from European descent. Either way I did not add to the current population other than myself.

I would think even the Great DJT has a lot foreign blood in his family history that he is so trying so hard to ignore. And I would put past it that some his distant relatives came here illegally too.

Just think the Europeans came here and just took over while slaughtering the American Indians and stealing their lands.

So what skeletons are hidden in all of our closets.

What you are saying may be true but those early people that came here were not getting the hand outs and living off the government, they paid their on way. They were not a burden on the government as these are.

Feb 9, 2024#129

H

hlw49

davis2 said:
Bert, I didn't have the patience to read all of your post. You don't get the whole story in OZ. And I don't have enough knowledge of your government to critique it. So how about you stick to Aussie politics, and I'll worry about USA politics?
I will say our short terms benefit is, because anymore of Biden's douchency will kill us!

Funny how someone from another country thinks they know more than some one who lives here and gets their news that has already been filter through the fake news media.

Feb 9, 2024#130

D

davis2

hlw49 said:
Funny how someone from another country thinks they know more than some one who lives here and gets their news that has already been filter through the fake news media.

Absolutely! The media is part of the scam for some reason. I just can't figure out what...

Feb 10, 2024#131

B

bertsmobile1

hlw49 said:
Funny how someone from another country thinks they know more than some one who lives here and gets their news that has already been filter through the fake news media.

ActuallyI use Ground News as my primary source so I can tell where a story originated from and the bias associated with it .
IT is very good & very accurate as it does not report on anything, just accumulates news from other sources.
I use VPN because I know about cyber security and for You Tube I have more than 1 identity to confuse Musk so he can not exploit me by creating an echo chamber for my personal preferences , because I do not show any .
Because Aust media is cheap, we get way too much US politics on main stream media, I often think it is to hide just how inept our own government is.
FWIW in 2020 I was at a motorcycling event sharing a cabin with 2 couples, one from New Hampshire & the other from South Carolina . We did not have the TV on much as all 4 aussies are not TV people but it was on a fair bit and both couples were flabbergasted by the coverage of the lead up to the US elections claiming there was more on Aust TV that they were getting in the USA and all of it went into much greater detail that they get at home .
During the day the radio is on all day tuned to one of the government stations and because it is a government funded station every party & lobby group listens to every word in case any political , racial, social or religious bias has slipped through and of course facts have to be correct and no opinion pieces are allowed .
I do not watch TV much apart from a couple of gardening & rural shows ( also on the government stations ) but I do attend a lot of public lectures , although not as many as i used to because I do not go into Sydney all that often so most are over before I find out about them .
So you are again making assumption about me based purely on the fact that I do not agree with your views and work from actual facts not Fox .
And FWIW I subscribe to the Lincoln Project who are the true US conservatives who unlike so many have not been brainwashed by the trump circus .
Or as they like to call themselves , the Regan Republicans .
So you could not be any more wrong about me than you have been about the 2020 election fraud , where republican state governments , investigating on behalf of the republican complaints could not find any signs of democrat fraud, only trump fraud , even in states that have been republican for decades and every person in the judiciary were appointed by republicans and most are card carrying republicans .
After the "drop box stuffing" clips were presented, which I watched , I went to the effort to check exactly how the postal votes in the USA , which apparently have been done since the Civil War are conducted and saw they were almost identical to the method we use here and virtually impossible to add extra votes or intercept votes & substitute votes for some one else , so those videos of "ballot stuffers " were actually people posting genuine ballots from places like nursing homes & hospitals . or like trumps "auto workers union rally" totally faked to fool the true believers because no one would bother the check the process . And of course the process was audited by both sides and found to be proper, till they went by majority to democrats so the republicans then said they had been tampered with .

MY father taught me to read well before I went to school
My mother taught me to always question what I read

This has been a very valuable trait over my entire life so it is very rare I get fooled by any one or any organisation regardless of weather I agree with it or not .
Now if any of you bothered to check how the US postal voting is done then explain to me how thousands of fake votes got cast

Feb 11, 2024#132

D

davis2

bertsmobile1 said:
ActuallyI use Ground News as my primary source so I can tell where a story originated from and the bias associated with it .
IT is very good & very accurate as it does not report on anything, just accumulates news from other sources.
I use VPN because I know about cyber security and for You Tube I have more than 1 identity to confuse Musk so he can not exploit me by creating an echo chamber for my personal preferences , because I do not show any .
Because Aust media is cheap, we get way too much US politics on main stream media, I often think it is to hide just how inept our own government is.
FWIW in 2020 I was at a motorcycling event sharing a cabin with 2 couples, one from New Hampshire & the other from South Carolina . We did not have the TV on much as all 4 aussies are not TV people but it was on a fair bit and both couples were flabbergasted by the coverage of the lead up to the US elections claiming there was more on Aust TV that they were getting in the USA and all of it went into much greater detail that they get at home .
During the day the radio is on all day tuned to one of the government stations and because it is a government funded station every party & lobby group listens to every word in case any political , racial, social or religious bias has slipped through and of course facts have to be correct and no opinion pieces are allowed .
I do not watch TV much apart from a couple of gardening & rural shows ( also on the government stations ) but I do attend a lot of public lectures , although not as many as i used to because I do not go into Sydney all that often so most are over before I find out about them .
So you are again making assumption about me based purely on the fact that I do not agree with your views and work from actual facts not Fox .
And FWIW I subscribe to the Lincoln Project who are the true US conservatives who unlike so many have not been brainwashed by the trump circus .
Or as they like to call themselves , the Regan Republicans .
So you could not be any more wrong about me than you have been about the 2020 election fraud , where republican state governments , investigating on behalf of the republican complaints could not find any signs of democrat fraud, only trump fraud , even in states that have been republican for decades and every person in the judiciary were appointed by republicans and most are card carrying republicans .
After the "drop box stuffing" clips were presented, which I watched , I went to the effort to check exactly how the postal votes in the USA , which apparently have been done since the Civil War are conducted and saw they were almost identical to the method we use here and virtually impossible to add extra votes or intercept votes & substitute votes for some one else , so those videos of "ballot stuffers " were actually people posting genuine ballots from places like nursing homes & hospitals . or like trumps "auto workers union rally" totally faked to fool the true believers because no one would bother the check the process . And of course the process was audited by both sides and found to be proper, till they went by majority to democrats so the republicans then said they had been tampered with .

MY father taught me to read well before I went to school
My mother taught me to always question what I read

This has been a very valuable trait over my entire life so it is very rare I get fooled by any one or any organisation regardless of weather I agree with it or not .
Now if any of you bothered to check how the US postal voting is done then explain to me how thousands of fake votes got cast

Butt out of America's politics.

Feb 11, 2024#133

Hammermechanicman

Everyone is entitled to their version of the truth.

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bertsmobile1

davis2 said:
Butt out of America's politics.

So that is the lump sum of your explaination of how all those phantom postal votes magically appeared ?

Feb 12, 2024#135

StarTech

It sorta like those so-called GPs here that can't see that something is not right with the patient. I recently asked mine about a worrying problem that I was developing to be only ignored. So ended up in the Horsepital with huge amounts of fluids around my heart. Basically the doctors are creating their patient's problem by ignoring the symptoms of problems.

It is the same politics they just ignoring the developing problems.

And when I thought that DJT couldn't sink much lower he proved me wrong yet again.

Feb 12, 2024#136

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DK35vince

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Feb 12, 2024#137

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davis2

bertsmobile1 said:
So that is the lump sum of your explaination of how all those phantom postal votes magically appeared ?

No. The Democrats ballot harvested, and somehow brought voters back from the dead! And you wonder why they are so AGAINST voter ID???

Feb 12, 2024#138

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davis2

bertsmobile1 said:
So that is the lump sum of your explaination of how all those phantom postal votes magically appeared ?

Don't put words in my mouth. When you are a citizen, you have the right to complain. You gutless Aussies let them take your guns!

Feb 12, 2024#139

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davis2

StarTech said:
It sorta like those so-called GPs here that can't see that something is not right with the patient. I recently asked mine about a worrying problem that I was developing to be only ignored. So ended up in the Horsepital with huge amounts of fluids around my heart. Basically the doctors are creating their patient's problem by ignoring the symptoms of problems.

It is the same politics they just ignoring the developing problems.

And when I thought that DJT couldn't sink much lower he proved me wrong yet again.

Stop blaming Trump for everything. It makes you sound like an idiot.

Feb 12, 2024#140

StarTech

davis2 said:
No. The Democrats ballot harvested, and somehow brought voters back from the dead! And you wonder why they are so AGAINST voter ID???

You got to remember some republicans have been also caught stuffing ballot boxes.

Feb 12, 2024#141

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davis2

StarTech said:
You got to remember some republicans have been also caught stuffing ballot boxes.

Oh here we go... Oh, and the infallible electronic voting machines? They were hacked in court by an expert in minutes...

Feb 12, 2024#142

StarTech

davis2 said:
Stop blaming Trump for everything. It makes you sound like an idiot.

Look I don't blame DJT for everything; he just a large part of it. I blame those in Congress that can't even agree when one can shit or get off the pot. All the in fighting is making our government non functional right now. When the adult daycare center members comes back to their senses we might get something done. I don't give a damn if they are Republicans or Democrats or otherwise; Just do the damn job they were voted in to do. This all or nothing attitude does not get anything done.

And are you so proud that DJT keep downing our military personnel? Our military is why we have a lot of our freedoms now. Our forefathers were willing to give their lives to protect our freedoms; are you willing to do the same? DJT is not willing...he would not even serve when asked.

Feb 12, 2024#143

Hammermechanicman

Feb 12, 2024#144

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Feb 12, 2024#145

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davis2

StarTech said:
Look I don't blame DJT for everything; he just a large part of it. I blame those in Congress that can't even agree when one can shit or get off the pot. All the in fighting is making our government non functional right now. When the adult daycare center members comes back to their senses we might get something done. I don't give a damn if they are Republicans or Democrats or otherwise; Just do the damn job they were voted in to do. This all or nothing attitude does not get anything done.

And are you so proud that DJT keep downing our military personnel? Our military is why we have a lot of our freedoms now. Our forefathers were willing to give their lives to protect our freedoms; are you willing to do the same? DJT is not willing...he would not even serve when asked.

But you would love the one party rule that your beloved democratic (

) party is trying to achieve. Let me tell you, since you are too blind to see, YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE IT!

Feb 13, 2024#146

StarTech

davis2 said:
But you would love the one party rule that your beloved democratic () party is trying to achieve. Let me tell you, since you are too blind to see, YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE IT!

Look you damn fool I am not even an independent party member. A true independent voter. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have both their good and bad points. But when one side flat refuses to compromise on anything then nothing gets done. Right now the House has just a two vote majority and they still are so hardheaded that they can't give a fraction of inch which deadlocking Congress. Compromising is necessary in order to get things done.

But of course we are yet again the path of another government shutdown because Congress can't even pass a general annual budget. So sad that they know this must be done every year yet they wait until the doomsday clock is about to strike midnight every damn year lately. This time half a year has nearly gone by and still nothing is finalized. Then when October 1 get here it starts all over again. Dumber than dumb.

Even in marriages there are compromises. Even marriages has their knock down drag out fights and divorces.

BTW I am withholding all of my Federal taxes now so it doesn't matter which group controls things as neither will get any of my money. And BTW the way I doing it, it is legal. Let's see how they going to budget that when there is a lot less money to budget.

Feb 13, 2024#147

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Look you damn fool I am not even an independent party member. A true independent voter. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have both their good and bad points. But when one side flat refuses to compromise on anything then nothing gets done. Right now the House has just a two vote majority and they still are so hardheaded that they can't give a fraction of inch which deadlocking Congress. Compromising is necessary in order to get things done.

But of course we are yet again the path of another government shutdown because Congress can't even pass a general annual budget. So sad that they know this must be done every year yet they wait until the doomsday clock is about to strike midnight every damn year lately. This time half a year has nearly gone by and still nothing is finalized. Then when October 1 get here it starts all over again. Dumber than dumb.

Even in marriages there are compromises. Even marriages has their knock down drag out fights and divorces.

BTW I am withholding all of my Federal taxes now so it doesn't matter which group controls things as neither will get any of my money. And BTW the way I doing it, it is legal. Let's see how they going to budget that when there is a lot less money to budget.

I call them republicrats.

Personally, I think this last senate bill, that the house rejected, was just smoke & mirrors. Along with 90% of the others. Because when it comes to spending on most things, like a continued resolution, they're all voting for that.

Trump signed 12 CR's when he was in office. 2 debt ceiling increases. And suspended the debt ceiling for 2 years. And neither the republicans or democrats said much of anything.
McCarthy and now Johnson both were fine passing CR's.

The difference between the right and left is just smoke & mirrors.

Feb 13, 2024#148

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
But you would love the one party rule that your beloved democratic () party is trying to achieve. Let me tell you, since you are too blind to see, YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE IT!

That's all we have now, is a uniparty. They keep the names separate to make people think theirs a difference. Schumer, McCarthy, Biden or Trump never had a problem passing all those CR (continued resolutions). They had no problem raising the debt ceiling or passing and signing those omnibus bills.

Trump vetoed only 1 spending bill in 4 years. He reauthorized FISA 702 (warrantless spying on Americans.) He assaulted our 2A with his bump stock ban. And publicly supported red flag laws, saying "I like taking the guns first. Then do due process later." <<<<An actual quote.

He started the first covid mandates. And may very well have done more, but he was on his way out of office. After all, he bashed DeSantis and Kemp for opening up their states sooner than he wanted.
Then he even had the nerve to give Fauci an commendation on his last day in office.

To say that we're not ruled under one party now, makes me think you're not paying close enough attention to what they're actually doing.

As far as the border goes.... (with this last immigration bill) If Biden could so easily secure the border, without any more money, without some new law, then why didn't Trump do it on his own authority. Why was he always begging Pelosi for the money for border security? His own Department of Homeland Security never went without billions in all those CR's.

It's just smoke and mirrors, designed by the uniparty, to keep people voting, donating and divided.

Feb 13, 2024#149

StarTech

PT you do see how they talk out both sides of their mouths at the same time. Otherwords they are standing there shaking your hand with one hand and at the same time stabbing you in the back with the other hand.

It is just like the foreign aid bill that Senate just passed with 70/29 of them voting for it, Johnson is already saying he probably will not bring it to a vote in the house as he refuses to do anything bipartisan. Now that is being an major A**hole just to please the extreme right. A house divided can't stand for long. Everything just falling apart and nothing is getting repaired as they can't even agree on which plank to nail up now or which nails to use.

Com'on folks use your common sense that is if any of you have any left. Or are all of you brainwashed one way or the other? If you don't learn from history you all are bound to repeat the same stupid mistakes.

Feb 13, 2024#150

Tiger Small Engine

PTmowerMech said:
That's all we have now, is a uniparty. They keep the names separate to make people think theirs a difference. Schumer, McCarthy, Biden or Trump never had a problem passing all those CR (continued resolutions). They had no problem raising the debt ceiling or passing and signing those omnibus bills.

Trump vetoed only 1 spending bill in 4 years. He reauthorized FISA 702 (warrantless spying on Americans.) He assaulted our 2A with his bump stock ban. And publicly supported red flag laws, saying "I like taking the guns first. Then do due process later." <<<<An actual quote.

He started the first covid mandates. And may very well have done more, but he was on his way out of office. After all, he bashed DeSantis and Kemp for opening up their states sooner than he wanted.
Then he even had the nerve to give Fauci an commendation on his last day in office.

To say that we're not ruled under one party now, makes me think you're not paying close enough attention to what they're actually doing.

As far as the border goes.... (with this last immigration bill) If Biden could so easily secure the border, without any more money, without some new law, then why didn't Trump do it on his own authority. Why was he always begging Pelosi for the money for border security? His own Department of Homeland Security never went without billions in all those CR's.

It's just smoke and mirrors, designed by the uniparty, to keep people voting, donating and divided.

Free speech got us 148 posts on this thread! America Strong.

Feb 13, 2024#151

Hammermechanicman

Still trying to figure out which will end the world first. An asteroid or global warming or politicians. Time to see how much bottled water, cans of spam and toilet paper I have.

Feb 13, 2024#152

StarTech

Please don't start another TP crisis....I remember the world was going to end because there was no TP.

Just close your eyes and ears to the information overload and you be just fine. Most of it don't directly affect you. But some makes mountains out of mole hills of mis-information.

And mentioning asteroids recent headline:

4 asteroids will zoom past Earth on Groundhog Day — including one the size of the Empire State Building

We are still here...

Feb 13, 2024#153

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
PT you do see how they talk out both sides of their mouths at the same time. Otherwords they are standing there shaking your hand with one hand and at the same time stabbing you in the back with the other hand.

It is just like the foreign aid bill that Senate just passed with 70/29 of them voting for it, Johnson is already saying he probably will not bring it to a vote in the house as he refuses to do anything bipartisan. Now that is being an major A**hole just to please the extreme right. A house divided can't stand for long. Everything just falling apart and nothing is getting repaired as they can't even agree on which plank to nail up now or which nails to use.

Com'on folks use your common sense that is if any of you have any left. Or are all of you brainwashed one way or the other? If you don't learn from history you all are bound to repeat the same stupid mistakes.

This bill is horrible. Ukraine is none of our business. And Israel is the $34 richest country in the world. They don't need our money. Especially since we don't have it. That $100 billion will have to be borrowed. We're already paying $2 trillion per year in interest on the debt. It's crap like that that keeps inflation on the rise and makes things cost more and more.

Because the debt is so high, it's another reason why the IRS is scraping every dime it can get it's hands on from US. We already pay the government enough. The more we pay, the more they waste. And when that isn't enough, they borrow it from the fed.

I see you're point about how they don't compromise. If it was on decent legislation, like giving Maui $60 billion, to help rebuild after their fire, that would be one thing. Because Hawaii is American. But $60 billion (more) to Ukraine?
Heck no.

Feb 13, 2024#154

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Please don't start another TP crisis....I remember the world was going to end because there was no TP.

Just close your eyes and ears to the information overload and you be just fine. Most of it don't directly affect you. But some makes mountains out of mole hills of mis-information.

And mentioning asteroids recent headline:

4 asteroids will zoom past Earth on Groundhog Day — including one the size of the Empire State Building

We are still here...

Feb 13, 2024#155

PTmowerMech

Tiger Small Engine said:
Free speech got us 148 posts on this thread! America Strong.

This is aging like wine.

Feb 13, 2024#156

StarTech

One thing about Ukraine at least they are only asking for weapons and not for us to put American boots on the ground. Many of the countries we have helped want out troops on the ground fight their wars for them.

And yes Israel has plenty of money on hand so they don't money just given to them.

I totally agree we help our people first.

But either way there needs to be a full accounting of the money spent. It like all the stimulus money handed out, quite a bit of it was basically stolen yet people like me are still awaiting on it. What was worst I gotten a loan on the first round as I was needing it right a way so I got stiff on that by having to pay interest on the borrowed funds.

Feb 13, 2024#157

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
One thing about Ukraine at least they are only asking for weapons and not for us to put American boots on the ground. Many of the countries we have helped want out troops on the ground fight their wars for them.

And yes Israel has plenty of money on hand so they don't money just given to them.

I totally agree we help our people first.

But either way there needs to be a full accounting of the money spent. It like all the stimulus money handed out, quite a bit of it was basically stolen yet people like me are still awaiting on it. What was worst I gotten a loan on the first round as I was needing it right a way so I got stiff on that by having to pay interest on the borrowed funds.

A full accounting of money spent?

This is my problem with the GOP (or the dems too, actually) Both sides refuse to discuss all the detailed expenditures hidden in those bills. Especially when their party has the majority.

All those weapons that go to countries like Ukraine, still cost us hundreds of billions. Ukraine's government, like Russia's, is corrupt. They've been bleeding us and other countries for decades. From what I understand, they were bleeding Russia for decades. And Russia wasn't getting nothing in return. They're a welfare sponge.

I think our government knows this. So the question is why are we still giving them anything? None of that matters to the average American citizen. But it matters to someone in DC and those connected. The only logical explanation is that someone is going to highly profit from this (as they do all wars).

Feb 13, 2024#158

StarTech

Yes someone(s) pockets are getting lined very well as always. But it surely not yours or mine.

Open my wallet yesterday and even the moth's were begging. It was called going to the doctor. And no telling what those three days at the hospital is going to cost me.

Feb 13, 2024#159

PTmowerMech

Why I don't support Republicrats.

Feb 13, 2024#160

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davis2

StarTech said:
Look you damn fool I am not even an independent party member. A true independent voter. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have both their good and bad points. But when one side flat refuses to compromise on anything then nothing gets done. Right now the House has just a two vote majority and they still are so hardheaded that they can't give a fraction of inch which deadlocking Congress. Compromising is necessary in order to get things done.

But of course we are yet again the path of another government shutdown because Congress can't even pass a general annual budget. So sad that they know this must be done every year yet they wait until the doomsday clock is about to strike midnight every damn year lately. This time half a year has nearly gone by and still nothing is finalized. Then when October 1 get here it starts all over again. Dumber than dumb.

Even in marriages there are compromises. Even marriages has their knock down drag out fights and divorces.

BTW I am withholding all of my Federal taxes now so it doesn't matter which group controls things as neither will get any of my money. And BTW the way I doing it, it is legal. Let's see how they going to budget that when there is a lot less money to budget.

Yeah, I'm a damn fool for expecting you to think that the Dems are less than gods. I hope your happy with migrants stealing jobs and Biden giving our $$ away to Ukraine, while telling Israel to pound sand, when they are deserving of help... But you need to pull your head out of your orifice to see the Republicans are trying to save what we have left and not become servants to Europe and China...

Feb 13, 2024#161

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davis2

StarTech said:
PT you do see how they talk out both sides of their mouths at the same time. Otherwords they are standing there shaking your hand with one hand and at the same time stabbing you in the back with the other hand.

It is just like the foreign aid bill that Senate just passed with 70/29 of them voting for it, Johnson is already saying he probably will not bring it to a vote in the house as he refuses to do anything bipartisan. Now that is being an major A**hole just to please the extreme right. A house divided can't stand for long. Everything just falling apart and nothing is getting repaired as they can't even agree on which plank to nail up now or which nails to use.

Com'on folks use your common sense that is if any of you have any left. Or are all of you brainwashed one way or the other? If you don't learn from history you all are bound to repeat the same stupid mistakes.

The Senate bill is the Democrats wish list, it does zero for the border or migrant issue. You guys sound like CNN parrots. No sense talking politics with you.

Feb 13, 2024#162

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davis2

StarTech said:
PT you do see how they talk out both sides of their mouths at the same time. Otherwords they are standing there shaking your hand with one hand and at the same time stabbing you in the back with the other hand.

It is just like the foreign aid bill that Senate just passed with 70/29 of them voting for it, Johnson is already saying he probably will not bring it to a vote in the house as he refuses to do anything bipartisan. Now that is being an major A**hole just to please the extreme right. A house divided can't stand for long. Everything just falling apart and nothing is getting repaired as they can't even agree on which plank to nail up now or which nails to use.

Com'on folks use your common sense that is if any of you have any left. Or are all of you brainwashed one way or the other? If you don't learn from history you all are bound to repeat the same stupid mistakes.

You are ignorant as to the extreme LEFT! They are what is wrong with our country, and you idiots are right behind them... Just wait until they come for something YOU care about.

Feb 13, 2024#163

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
Yeah, I'm a damn fool for expecting you to think that the Dems are less than gods. I hope your happy with migrants stealing jobs and Biden giving our $$ away to Ukraine, while telling Israel to pound sand, when they are deserving of help... But you need to pull your head out of your orifice to see the Republicans are trying to save what we have left and not become servants to Europe and China...

Republicans aren't trying to save anything except themselves. Same as democrats.

Trump gave to Ukraine and funded NATO. He also funded Hamas and Palestine when he was in office. And Israel too. Remember, Trump only vetoed 1 spending bill in his entire 4 years. He funded gender studies in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
How did he do this? With the help of the republicans. Much of that was funded when the GOP had the house and senate.

Feb 13, 2024#164

Hammermechanicman

How 'bout them KC Chiefs?

Feb 13, 2024#165

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
The Senate bill is the Democrats wish list, it does zero for the border or migrant issue. You guys sound like CNN parrots. No sense talking politics with you.

The Senate passed it. The senate has an almost equal number of R & D's. So trying to put the blame on just the left, is off base. Because enough GOP senators supported this foreign aid bill to get it passed. That is the facts. Most of those GOP senators were Trump endorsed.
BTW, I don't watch left leaning MSM. I am a fiscal conservative. I believe in small, limited government that lives within it's means. And takes care of this country first. So trying to put me left of center is also off base.

Republicans now days simply don't understand fiscal conservatism and how it built this country by not destroying the USD value. By not getting into our personal and business lives. By allowing free market capitalism to rule the economy. It wasn't until big spending, big government politicians like LBJ, Reagan, Trump & Obama decided they knew better how to run it, than we do, did this country stop being great. When they allowed lobbyist to be more important than "we the people." When they started expanding the debt to extreme amounts. As if it was a money tree that produced all year long.

Obviously this bill has nothing to do with immigration, because it's not an immigration bill. It's a foreign aid bill. Supported by a majority of Republicans and democrats. Same as all the CR's that were passed, debt ceiling increases & omnibus bills that passed and were signed into law by both Biden & Trump.

So it sounds to me, exactly like you're paying closer attention to what's being said, than what's actually being done. Because what's being done, is the same exact thing that's been going on since at least Reagan. Smoke & mirrors. Lying from both sides to keep you divided and voting.

Feb 13, 2024#166

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
How 'bout them KC Chiefs?

Feb 13, 2024#167

Hammermechanicman

PTmowerMech said:
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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
The Senate passed it. The senate has an almost equal number of R & D's. So trying to put the blame on just the left, is off base. Because enough GOP senators supported this foreign aid bill to get it passed. That is the facts. Most of those GOP senators were Trump endorsed.
BTW, I don't watch left leaning MSM. I am a fiscal conservative. I believe in small, limited government that lives within it's means. And takes care of this country first. So trying to put me left of center is also off base.

Republicans now days simply don't understand fiscal conservatism and how it built this country by not destroying the USD value. By not getting into our personal and business lives. By allowing free market capitalism to rule the economy. It wasn't until big spending, big government politicians like LBJ, Reagan, Trump & Obama decided they knew better how to run it, than we do, did this country stop being great. When they allowed lobbyist to be more important than "we the people." When they started expanding the debt to extreme amounts. As if it was a money tree that produced all year long.

Obviously this bill has nothing to do with immigration, because it's not an immigration bill. It's a foreign aid bill. Supported by a majority of Republicans and democrats. Same as all the CR's that were passed, debt ceiling increases & omnibus bills that passed and were signed into law by both Biden & Trump.

So it sounds to me, exactly like you're paying closer attention to what's being said, than what's actually being done. Because what's being done, is the same exact thing that's been going on since at least Reagan. Smoke & mirrors. Lying from both sides to keep you divided and voting.

We cannot afford the foreign aid. Billions for Ukraine? Really? For the corrupt Ukraine? Ya gotta be crazy! If it all made it to where it was supposed to go, it would be over. If Russia hasn't beaten them down yet, they may never do it! My question is where is the rest of the world on Ukraine?

Now Israel is a different story. After WW 2 they were given the land, to the best of my knowledge. So why is the rest of the world tolerating the constant attacks? They're like, "screw it, let America deal with it"... Guess what, America isn't the world piggy bank! Others need to step the F up and help peace.

Our borders are the most important thing. Actually, to keep foreign a$$holes out. Now if they want to emigrate legally, come on in. But some of the scum coming in is disgusting. And the real reason they are allowed in: new Democrat voters. It needs to end. Trump will try, but will be interferred with for sure.

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bertsmobile1

Hammermechanicman said:
Still trying to figure out which will end the world first. An asteroid or global warming or politicians. Time to see how much bottled water, cans of spam and toilet paper I have.

That one is easy
We are removing the only thing that can turn CO2 into O2 ( plants ) at an ever increasing rate while consuming O2 at an ever increasing rate
The curves crossed each other quite so time ago so we will asphyxiate ourselves in the not too distant future
For the past 4 years the world has relied on queen bees from Australia & NZ because all the bees in Europe & America suffered from Varroa destructor mite and finally it has arrived here so expect some massive price rises in cereal crops & canola . and of course, that will be Bidens fault .
One of the causes for the outbreaks of Varroa was lower oxygen levels which made the bees weaker and one of the reasons why Aust & NZ bees managed to stave it off for so long is the oxygen levels here are 1 % to 3 % higher on average
Well varroa is established here now so that leaves NZ as the only supplier of disease free queens.
Around 75% off all plants consumed are insect pollinated and all insects rely on partial pressure to supply their oxygen as most do not have lungs.
Many cities regularly drop below 19.5% which is the cut off level for the provision of breathing assistance in industry .

So starve or axphyxiate , take your pick
This is one of the reasons I am childless because while my children may live to an old age the grandkids won't .

Feb 14, 2024#171

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bertsmobile1

davis2 said:
We cannot afford the foreign aid. Billions for Ukraine? Really? For the corrupt Ukraine? Ya gotta be crazy! If it all made it to where it was supposed to go, it would be over. If Russia hasn't beaten them down yet, they may never do it! My question is where is the rest of the world on Ukraine?

Now Israel is a different story. After WW 2 they were given the land, to the best of my knowledge. So why is the rest of the world tolerating the constant attacks? They're like, "screw it, let America deal with it"... Guess what, America isn't the world piggy bank! Others need to step the F up and help peace.

Our borders are the most important thing. Actually, to keep foreign a$$holes out. Now if they want to emigrate legally, come on in. But some of the scum coming in is disgusting. And the real reason they are allowed in: new Democrat voters. It needs to end. Trump will try, but will be interferred with for sure.

Well Germany has already exceeded the USA and general funding from the EU is also well above the USA.
Total NATO funding is also above the USA and excludes bilatteral & EU aid so the USA is around number 5 which is a bit pathetic for the biggest arms manufacturer in the world and the country with the biggest armoary
Ukraine is shaking off the soviet era corruption that is one of the reasons why Putin invaded because they renationalised the bank so Putin lost his $ 800,000 he was stealing from it every year , sorry, special dividend , not stealing .
Ukraine has moved up 9 places in the corruption index, the biggest yearly anti corruption shift ever since the index was initiated .
The USA by the way is going down .
Next not 1¢ of US aid goes as cash, it all goes as weapons, mostly obsolete weapons that were going to COST the USA to decommission so sending weapons to Ukraine actually saves the USA money and stimulates business INSIDE the USA as all of the arms are manufactured in the USA so it is jobs for Americans not money for Ukrainians.
And on top of that the uSA has monitors in Ukraine checking the inventory to ensure that every bullet gets to where it is supposed to go and they found ZERO corruption .

The Ukrainians will eventually prevail because they believe in what they are doing so will fight to the last man, woman & child .
All the withholding of ammunition is going to do is create yet another country that hates the USA and that my friend is an ever increasing list .
Isolationism did not work in your own civil war ( guess where the weapons came from ? ) and it was not the USA , most came from Europe , The UK ( BSA ) Sweeden ( husqvarna ) and Belgium ( FN ) but go to any civil war museum and only US weapons will be on display and the bulk of the gunpowder was also imported .
Right now the republican silly buggers has just lost Lockhead - Martin $ 16,000,000,000,000 in PROFITS from export orders because a lot of countries have cancelled their orders for HIMARS launchers because the entire world now sees the USA as an unreliable & untrustworthy weapons supplier .
So that 61 billion had a 42 billion profit , note I said PROFIT for Lockhead - Martin built into it from foreign orders .
India has also cancelled their HIMARS launchers and placed orders on France, they have also cancelled their F 35 order .
The French system is not as good as the USA one but they now have orders for 3,500 so that will provide a lot of profit to do a lot of R & D so the French ones will be better than the USA ones .
Rheinmetal & Lockhead have just signed a joint developement for the GIMARS to be built in Germany and all,of the rockets are to be built in Germany so in place of L_M making $ 16,000,000 on every export HIMARS they will only be making $ 4,000,000 on very GMARS and in place of making $ 250,000 profit on every rocket they will make a $ 50,000 royalty , and hat is until the Germans develop their own system .
These are the sort of costs that being an isolationist occur .
And then there will be the retaliation sales lost, Cincinnati Machinery will probably never sell another 5 axis mil to any European factory again .
All of the USA's high value exports go to to Europe and that market will dry up because the USA will be seen as hostile .

Feb 14, 2024#172

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bertsmobile1

davis2 said:
Yeah, I'm a damn fool for expecting you to think that the Dems are less than gods. I hope your happy with migrants stealing jobs and Biden giving our $$ away to Ukraine, while telling Israel to pound sand, when they are deserving of help... But you need to pull your head out of your orifice to see the Republicans are trying to save what we have left and not become servants to Europe and China...

Migrants are not and never did steal jobs, apart from the ones trump imported ( all undocumented ) 4 times to break union bans on trump tower and I think 27 of them died or were permanently dissabled because the site was unsafe .
And plase do not try & tell me that you are going to pick fruit in the hot sun on piece rate like the undocumented workers do, or go clean trumps appartment for $ 5 /hr
As for jobs, Wall St exported 27,000,000 jobs to China when they outsourced the bulk of manufacturing to China , that is where the jobs have gone .
Obama started to try & bring them back by offering massive interest free loans and cash incentives to businesses who came back on shore and trump continued the Obama "working America " scheme and of course claimed it was all his doing.

Israel can get by fine without any US aid at all
They have he second largest arsenal in Europe, second only to russia
The day they were attacked the raised and armed 300,000 troops and they are not in any way shape or form in need of US aid
In fact Israel is sending Patriot missiles to Ukraine because the USA will not send them.

And no I am not a Palestine sympathiser , the residents of Gazza deserved everything they got and still more .
However that does not excuse Israel who has been treating all of the Palestinians worse then the southerners treated their black slaves
SO what happened was to be expected and remember it is all being funded by the petrol you have been filling your tank with for the past 50 years.

Everything you have said so far are russian talking points taken strait off Russia Today and they are all gross exaggerations if not total lies .
I am amazed at just how gullible , stupid and lazy Americans are because all of these arguement can be countered by spending 10 minutes on the web
And by that I mean government & industry sites no face book, tic toc & X
And did you see Musk has just been ordered to repay Tesla the 54 billion he awarded himself as a bonus ?

Feb 14, 2024#173

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bertsmobile1

davis2 said:
We cannot afford the foreign aid. Billions for Ukraine? Really? For the corrupt Ukraine? Ya gotta be crazy! If it all made it to where it was supposed to go, it would be over. If Russia hasn't beaten them down yet, they may never do it! My question is where is the rest of the world on Ukraine?

Now Israel is a different story. After WW 2 they were given the land, to the best of my knowledge. So why is the rest of the world tolerating the constant attacks? They're like, "screw it, let America deal with it"... Guess what, America isn't the world piggy bank! Others need to step the F up and help peace.

Our borders are the most important thing. Actually, to keep foreign a$$holes out. Now if they want to emigrate legally, come on in. But some of the scum coming in is disgusting. And the real reason they are allowed in: new Democrat voters. It needs to end. Trump will try, but will be interferred with for sure.

Wrong again
They were given SOME ONE ELSES's land at the end of WW I under an agreement with did not bother to ask the people who were already living there .
While it was part of the OTTERMAN empire it was inhabited mostly by Arabs from minority Islamic sect .
To get an idea how would you feel if the British marched into your town forced you to leave at gunpoint then gave your keys to the indians.
Trucked you to the middle of the Arizona desert lands with no water or electricity and told you that was your new home ?
This is what actually happened but few jews went there till after WW II when of course no one on the planet wanted any "filty jews" unless of course they had money of nuclear weapons knowledge when the USA welcomed them with open arms , but poor jews were not welcome in the USA because they would bring diseases, steal jobs from Americans , introduce communism , rape decent American woman , cause moral corruption , steal from Americans ( now where have I heard that list lately ?)
And just so you know 30% of the jews in Israel came from Crimea and 14% from the rest of Russia to escape from Stalin who was slaughtering them or sending them to Siberia ( same thing ) .And this was just before he started slaughtering the Ukrainians

Feb 14, 2024#174

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bertsmobile1

And I can not remember where the BS about flooding over the border & voting democrats into power was posted , but it takes a minimum of 10 years before an undocumented migrant can attain US citizenship and only US citizens can vote , in fact undocumented migrants can not purchase realestate till they become citizens not can they fly on any internal US airline
But do not tell MT Greene that because it made a nice rave in the house.
Again it took me all of 3 minutes to double check that but some people just like to keep on repeating russian propaganda .

And dearming was one of the BRAVEST thing Australia has ever done and we get more & more immigrants from the USA for that reason alone .
To quote one mother in my service run
I uses to sit down & pray every morning after dropping my children at school that my children would still be alive when I came to pick them up in the afternoon
And the NRA calls that "freedom"
As my martial arts teacher used to say ONLY EXTREME COWARDS CARRY A GUN & ONLY FOOLS CARRY A KNIFE
Australian school children shot at school in 2023 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2023 = 32

Australian school children shot at school in 2022 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2022 = 54

Australian school children shot at school in 2021 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2021 = 35

Australian school children shot at school in 2020 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2020 = 20

Australian school children shot at school in 2019 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2019 = 10

leading cause of child deaths in Australia , motor vehicle going to or from school
leading cause of child deaths in America shooting

And just so you know any one can own a long arm in Australia
Pistols are restricted to police , security guards and registered members of a pistol shooting club
Australia has a population of 25,000,000 and there are 5,000,000 long arms
These are in the hands of farmers, professional shooters, hunters & sporting shooters
Fully automatics are banned , semi automatics are limited to 8 shot magazines , although that is under review at the moment to become higher .
The single most common means of arresting criminals is unauthorised carrying of a fire arm
The NRA spent $8,000,000 of your subscriptions in legal fees trying to get a semi automatic shot gun off the banned list a couple of years back /
The 6 QC ( queens councils ) would like to thank all of the supporters of the NRA in the USA who pay their annual dues each year for their generous support .

Feb 14, 2024#175

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
We cannot afford the foreign aid. Billions for Ukraine? Really? For the corrupt Ukraine? Ya gotta be crazy! If it all made it to where it was supposed to go, it would be over. If Russia hasn't beaten them down yet, they may never do it! My question is where is the rest of the world on Ukraine?

I'm starting to think you're reading something other than what I'm typing.

davis2 said:
Now Israel is a different story. After WW 2 they were given the land, to the best of my knowledge. So why is the rest of the world tolerating the constant attacks? They're like, "screw it, let America deal with it"... Guess what, America isn't the world piggy bank! Others need to step the F up and help peace.

davis2 said:
Our borders are the most important thing. Actually, to keep foreign a$$holes out. Now if they want to emigrate legally, come on in. But some of the scum coming in is disgusting. And the real reason they are allowed in: new Democrat voters. It needs to end. Trump will try, but will be interferred with for sure.

Immigration isn't the most important thing. The value of the USD is. For 100 reasons that would take a novel to explain.

Feb 14, 2024#176

StarTech

Until the money is taken out of politics they are only going look out for one person and that is themselves, to hell to rest of us. They create and spread all kinds of lies just to keep the money coming in. What worst is some out there are more than willing to accept these lies. And they will go out their way to promote the same lies without a shred of real proof.

Feb 14, 2024#177

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
View attachment 67788

Yup... That's how commucrats do it.

Feb 14, 2024#178

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
I'm starting to think you're reading something other than what I'm typing.

Immigration isn't the most important thing. The value of the USD is. For 100 reasons that would take a novel to explain.

I'm sure you Democrats will waste your time writing it.

Feb 14, 2024#179

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davis2

StarTech said:
Until the money is taken out of politics they are only going look out for one person and that is themselves, to hell to rest of us. They create and spread all kinds of lies just to keep the money coming in. What worst is some out there are more than willing to accept these lies. And they will go out their way to promote the same lies without a shred of real proof.

That we can all agree on!

Feb 14, 2024#180

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
I'm starting to think you're reading something other than what I'm typing.

Immigration isn't the most important thing. The value of the USD is. For 100 reasons that would take a novel to explain.

Between you and bert, you write enough propaganda for both parties... I don't care to waste my time with a 20,000 word Democrat bs essay. Just being honest...

Feb 15, 2024#181

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bertsmobile1

davis2 said:
Between you and bert, you write enough propaganda for both parties... I don't care to waste my time with a 20,000 word Democrat bs essay. Just being honest...

And that in a nut shell is your problem.
If you never take the time to check facts and what all sides are saying then your own misconceptions become facts between your ears

And to add to the gun comment

So you can not even watch a foot ball game without getting shot in the USA

Feb 15, 2024#182

StarTech

I just give up here as some are using AI anti-intelligent filters.

That is like the fellow that keeping installing square pegs in round holes. They insist they fit correctly because they are driving them in with BFH. Or the customer here that brought 10 aftermarket belts and still insist they are correct belts even through they all were 2 inches short. He went off bitching that I installed the wrong belt even though his mower is now working correctly.

Feb 15, 2024#183

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
Between you and bert, you write enough propaganda for both parties... I don't care to waste my time with a 20,000 word Democrat bs essay. Just being honest...

Again, I'm a fiscal conservative. You know, that thing that Republicans (RINO's) campaign on, but never deliver on. I'm not sure how any of what I post comes off as being pro left. I can only imagine that it stems from a lack of knowledge of what actual conservatism really is.

Again, small, limited government that lives within it's means. <<< What I support.

What the RINO's have done. Including Trump.
Assaulted our 2A and publicly supported red flag laws.
Passed 12 CR's
Passed many CR's since Biden has been president. (with a GOP majority in the House)
Increased the debt ceiling twice and suspended it for 2 years.
Initiated covid mandates by forcing landlords to go without rent for a year
Would not allow people to see their loved ones in nursing homes and hospitals
Signed several omnibus bills into law.
Signed unconstitutional reauthorizations, like FISA 702, the NDAA and the Patriot Act.

That's the short list. And are things that no actual conservative would've supported. So when you assume that I lean left in any way, shape or form, I can't only assume that you're misguided. And since you're not willing to even try to understand fiscal and constitutional conservatism, I can't only assume that you're a RINO, who supports RINO's with your vote.

RINO's pose no opposition to the left, except during an election season. The rest of the time, they're spending just as much as the left.

Calling out Trump and the RINO's when they lean left, doesn't make someone a democrat or a liberal/progressive. Just sayin.

An actual conservative.

Feb 15, 2024#184

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Until the money is taken out of politics they are only going look out for one person and that is themselves, to hell to rest of us. They create and spread all kinds of lies just to keep the money coming in. What worst is some out there are more than willing to accept these lies. And they will go out their way to promote the same lies without a shred of real proof.

Except for donations, the money in politics is mostly our money. $34 trillion our money was borrowed by the R & D's. They borrowed and spent it like it was their money, and then stuck us with the bill.
The Republican politicians campaign on spending cuts & balanced budgets. Then once elected, go on spending spree's until election time comes back around. Then promise the same thing again. Rinse and repeat.

I call out the right because I'm dead set against the left. The GOP is the only party that has the ability to oppose the left. But when they never bring any real opposition to the left (except during an election season), then what good are they?

Feb 15, 2024#185

StarTech

From what I see is the Republicans only care spending cuts and balance budgets when the other party is in majority. If both the Demo and Repubs actually had to earn the money then they would be a blot more carefully with.

RINO = Republicans In Name Only

and here is one I haven't yet
DINO = Democrats In Name Only

So a RINO is just a younger DINO or is it a DINO just an Aged RINO? Just having fun at their expense.

Feb 15, 2024#186

PTmowerMech

Feb 15, 2024#187

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
From what I see is the Republicans only care spending cuts and balance budgets when the other party is in majority.

Winner winner chicken dinner. NAILED IT !!!!!!

StarTech said:
If both the Demo and Repubs actually had to earn the money then they would be a blot more carefully with.

Here's a bit of info most don't know.
Committee seats come with a price tag. Anywhere from $800,000 to something like $1.5 million. If you're selected to be on a committee, you either have to fork over the cash, raise it for the party your affiliated with or allow a lobbyist (or 2) to fork over the money for you. (the latter is the normal way)
Then you're supposed to raise money to pay the lobbyist back. Or simply vote the way the lobbyist wants you to.
I've come to the conclusion that committee's are where Amendments and bills go for lobbyist approval.

StarTech said:
RINO = Republicans In Name Only

and here is one I haven't yet
DINO = Democrats In Name Only

So a RINO is just a younger DINO or is it a DINO just an Aged RINO? Just having fun at their expense.

I get the sarcasm in your post. But just to clarify, for those who might not fully understand RINO. Some think it's simply a republican that opposes Trump. To them, it's a way to insult a Republican that's not in lock step with MAGA.
The correct acronym should be CINO. (Conservative). Initially, that's what RINO meant, because before Reagan came along, Republicans were predominantly conservative.
Before Reagan, someone with Trumps record would've been tossed under the GOP bus, tarred and feathered and shipped out of DC on a rail. Now they're put on high and praised as a Godsend.
And when ever an actual conservative politician calls a RINO out (especially Trump) for too much spending, assaulting our 2A or anything along those lines, they get bashed and called all sorts of childish names.

LMAO.. Take this thread, I've already been deemed a leftist, because I support small, limited government that lives within it's means, by a RINO that doesn't even realize he is a RINO.

They kept the names (RINO & conservative), but changed their definitions. (without sending out the memo)

Feb 15, 2024#188

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
And I can not remember where the BS about flooding over the border & voting democrats into power was posted , but it takes a minimum of 10 years before an undocumented migrant can attain US citizenship and only US citizens can vote , in fact undocumented migrants can not purchase realestate till they become citizens not can they fly on any internal US airline
But do not tell MT Greene that because it made a nice rave in the house.
Again it took me all of 3 minutes to double check that but some people just like to keep on repeating russian propaganda .

And dearming was one of the BRAVEST thing Australia has ever done and we get more & more immigrants from the USA for that reason alone .
To quote one mother in my service run
I uses to sit down & pray every morning after dropping my children at school that my children would still be alive when I came to pick them up in the afternoon
And the NRA calls that "freedom"
As my martial arts teacher used to say ONLY EXTREME COWARDS CARRY A GUN & ONLY FOOLS CARRY A KNIFE
Australian school children shot at school in 2023 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2023 = 32

Australian school children shot at school in 2022 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2022 = 54

Australian school children shot at school in 2021 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2021 = 35

Australian school children shot at school in 2020 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2020 = 20

Australian school children shot at school in 2019 = 0
American school children shot at school in 2019 = 10

leading cause of child deaths in Australia , motor vehicle going to or from school
leading cause of child deaths in America shooting

And just so you know any one can own a long arm in Australia
Pistols are restricted to police , security guards and registered members of a pistol shooting club
Australia has a population of 25,000,000 and there are 5,000,000 long arms
These are in the hands of farmers, professional shooters, hunters & sporting shooters
Fully automatics are banned , semi automatics are limited to 8 shot magazines , although that is under review at the moment to become higher .
The single most common means of arresting criminals is unauthorised carrying of a fire arm
The NRA spent $8,000,000 of your subscriptions in legal fees trying to get a semi automatic shot gun off the banned list a couple of years back /
The 6 QC ( queens councils ) would like to thank all of the supporters of the NRA in the USA who pay their annual dues each year for their generous support .

Bert, this is why we have & need gun rights in this country. In your country, the man who shot this POS thief would've gotten prison time.

Man sleeping in truck shot and killed intruder who allegedly tried to rob him: Sheriff

Feb 15, 2024#189

StarTech

I agree that all the name calling is childish by just trying to make the one calling others by childish name look good. Well it don't in my opinion.

Currently we stuck one set problems and after the election we probably be stuck with a new set problems.

At least I get to start drawing some that so-called rocking chair money and health care starting in June. THe only nice about it is that it will be a steady income with health care. Neither of which I currently have.

Feb 15, 2024#190

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
I agree that all the name calling is childish by just trying to make the one calling others by childish name look good. Well it don't in my opinion.

Currently we stuck one set problems and after the election we probably be stuck with a new set problems.

At least I get to start drawing some that so-called rocking chair money and health care starting in June. THe only nice about it is that it will be a steady income with health care. Neither of which I currently have.

The IRS won't jack with you much once you retire.

Feb 15, 2024#191

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davis2

bertsmobile1 said:
And that in a nut shell is your problem.
If you never take the time to check facts and what all sides are saying then your own misconceptions become facts between your ears

And to add to the gun comment

So you can not even watch a foot ball game without getting shot in the USA

What you type is Democrat propaganda, not facts. You say the same crap over and over. And gang warfare happened at a PARADE, not a football game. Get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! And the criminals should be punished severely! What is never discussed is that the perpetrators of gun crimes are CRIMINALS, not law-abiding citizens. Your argument has no merit.

Feb 15, 2024#192

7394

PTmowerMech said:
The IRS won't jack with you much once you retire.

And I like to believe that as well.. Time will tell.

Feb 15, 2024#193

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
Bert, this is why we have & need gun rights in this country. In your country, the man who shot this POS thief would've gotten prison time.

Man sleeping in truck shot and killed intruder who allegedly tried to rob him: Sheriff

If our schools weren't advertised as a defenseless shooting gallery, the mentally ill would not attack them.

Feb 15, 2024#194

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
Winner winner chicken dinner. NAILED IT !!!!!!

Here's a bit of info most don't know.
Committee seats come with a price tag. Anywhere from $800,000 to something like $1.5 million. If you're selected to be on a committee, you either have to fork over the cash, raise it for the party your affiliated with or allow a lobbyist (or 2) to fork over the money for you. (the latter is the normal way)
Then you're supposed to raise money to pay the lobbyist back. Or simply vote the way the lobbyist wants you to.
I've come to the conclusion that committee's are where Amendments and bills go for lobbyist approval.

I get the sarcasm in your post. But just to clarify, for those who might not fully understand RINO. Some think it's simply a republican that opposes Trump. To them, it's a way to insult a Republican that's not in lock step with MAGA.
The correct acronym should be CINO. (Conservative). Initially, that's what RINO meant, because before Reagan came along, Republicans were predominantly conservative.
Before Reagan, someone with Trumps record would've been tossed under the GOP bus, tarred and feathered and shipped out of DC on a rail. Now they're put on high and praised as a Godsend.
And when ever an actual conservative politician calls a RINO out (especially Trump) for too much spending, assaulting our 2A or anything along those lines, they get bashed and called all sorts of childish names.

LMAO.. Take this thread, I've already been deemed a leftist, because I support small, limited government that lives within it's means, by a RINO that doesn't even realize he is a RINO.

They kept the names (RINO & conservative), but changed their definitions. (without sending out the memo)

This isn't my first rodeo on a message board with liberals. You fit the bill.

Feb 15, 2024#195

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
Again, I'm a fiscal conservative. You know, that thing that Republicans (RINO's) campaign on, but never deliver on. I'm not sure how any of what I post comes off as being pro left. I can only imagine that it stems from a lack of knowledge of what actual conservatism really is.

Again, small, limited government that lives within it's means. <<< What I support.

What the RINO's have done. Including Trump.
Assaulted our 2A and publicly supported red flag laws.
Passed 12 CR's
Passed many CR's since Biden has been president. (with a GOP majority in the House)
Increased the debt ceiling twice and suspended it for 2 years.
Initiated covid mandates by forcing landlords to go without rent for a year
Would not allow people to see their loved ones in nursing homes and hospitals
Signed several omnibus bills into law.
Signed unconstitutional reauthorizations, like FISA 702, the NDAA and the Patriot Act.

That's the short list. And are things that no actual conservative would've supported. So when you assume that I lean left in any way, shape or form, I can't only assume that you're misguided. And since you're not willing to even try to understand fiscal and constitutional conservatism, I can't only assume that you're a RINO, who supports RINO's with your vote.

RINO's pose no opposition to the left, except during an election season. The rest of the time, they're spending just as much as the left.

Calling out Trump and the RINO's when they lean left, doesn't make someone a democrat or a liberal/progressive. Just sayin.

An actual conservative.

Lack of knowledge... Yeah liberals and their playbook. You are doing it the way they say to.

Feb 15, 2024#196

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
This isn't my first rodeo on a message board with liberals. You fit the bill.

davis2 said:
Lack of knowledge... Yeah liberals and their playbook. You are doing it the way they say to.

I'm starting to think you're one of those blind Trump followers. That his actual record doesn't matter. What he says, the lies he tells and all that comes with Trump, you simply don't care. You're going to follow him anyways.

I've presented Trumps actual record. He's assault against our 2A, our national debt. His help in creating the 8% inflation we seen in Biden's first year. And numerous other things us fiscal conservatives would expect from the left. And yet here you are, still claiming I'm a liberal.

It like when someone doesn't care about the facts, so they stick their fingers in their ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA."
Facts don't care about your feelings.

The concept of Trump is much better than Trump himself.

Feb 15, 2024#197

Hammermechanicman

Never believe a politician
Never believe the media
Never discuss politics or religion
I'm just as right as you are

Feb 16, 2024#198

StarTech

Hammermechanicman said:
Never believe a politician
Never believe the media
Never discuss politics or religion

Basically that is how you have to be to have peace. Can't even trust anything posted nowadays due to all the fake info being made and posted.

I got three neighbors that I avoid as all comes out their mouths is Trump politics. I will not even do work for them as they can't shut up and are very aggressive. They got one heck of a chip of their shoulders.

But you can go by the history of person to decide if he or she will do by what they are saying and by their actions. Status quo is better than an unpredictable candidate. As I said shaking your hand with a knife in other stabbing you in back is not going get it.

Feb 16, 2024#199

Hammermechanicman

Many of my friends have different politics and beliefs than mine. We get along just fine because we treat each other with kindness and respect and by not trying to change each others politics or religion or prove who is right. Believe what you want and vote how you want and respect others. Life's too short to argue about it. I doubt it would change global politics anyway.

Feb 16, 2024#200

StarTech

That the point we have to learn to disagree peacefully. But some just want to be pushy.

I vote so I can have the right to complain but for whom I vote for remains secret as it should be. What I don't get is those that don't vote seems to loudest complainers which they have no right to complain as they are not involved.

Feb 16, 2024#201

StarTech

davis2 said:
What you type is Democrat propaganda, not facts. You say the same crap over and over. And gang warfare happened at a PARADE, not a football game. Get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! And the criminals should be punished severely! What is never discussed is that the perpetrators of gun crimes are CRIMINALS, not law-abiding citizens. Your argument has no merit.

So far that was not any reported gang warfare reported even on FoxNews about the Kansas City Chiefs parade. It is still under investigation,

Quote from FoxNews>
Kansas City Police tell Fox News there are two juveniles currently in custody. A third juvenile was determined not to be involved and was released. Investigators are now working with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings to determine charges.

Authorities said "the relationship between the subjects involved is still under investigation" but that there is no evidence of links to terrorism.

"First and foremost, I want to stress that preliminary investigative findings have shown there was no nexus to terrorism or homegrown violent extremism," Graves said. "This appeared to be a dispute between several people that ended in gunfire."
End of Quote<

There you go jumping to conclusions before all the facts are out. Be it gang or not related even the police hasn't said. Yes I review CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX News
articles. They all basically posting the same info.

With semi automatics even a citizen defending themselves will fire multiple rounds but can release the trigger. It is like videos I have seen of law enforcement unloading whole clips before they are even sure of the threats nowadays. There was clip of officer going into a shooting round just because an acorn dropped on his car within the last week. They are trigger happy too. Apparently they are now being train to shoot first then ask questions.

Feb 16, 2024#202

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
Many of my friends have different politics and beliefs than mine. We get along just fine because we treat each other with kindness and respect and by not trying to change each others politics or religion or prove who is right. Believe what you want and vote how you want and respect others. Life's too short to argue about it. I doubt it would change global politics anyway.

I've never changed my views on politics from being told what I should believe. 90% of my political views comes from checking what a politician says against what they actually did. (voting record or signing bills into law) 90% of the time, they're totally different.

Friends and family conversations rarely get into politics. When they do, it's usually during an election season and is a very short conversation.

Feb 16, 2024#203

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
I've never changed my views on politics from being told what I should believe. 90% of my political views comes from checking what a politician says against what they actually did. (voting record or signing bills into law) 90% of the time, they're totally different.

One of the smart ones...Using your brain instead of letting others to plant ideas. If most people did this there would a lot less repeat elected politicians as they would what lairs they are.

So far in my lifetime I have only voted one politician that I voted more than once but did what he said he would do. He was honest with on our dealings even when went the wrong way for me but was upfront with me and I appreciate that.

Feb 16, 2024#204

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
One of the smart ones...Using your brain instead of letting others to plant ideas. If most people did this there would a lot less repeat elected politicians as they would what lairs they are.

So far in my lifetime I have only voted one politician that I voted more than once but did what he said he would do. He was honest with on our dealings even when went the wrong way for me but was upfront with me and I appreciate that.

I gotta admit, I was all in for Reagan. Much like these people are for Trump. But in my defense, this was way before the internet, where voting records and information was easy to obtain. I was pretty heartbroken to find out Reagan was one of the first real RINO's. Once I found out his actual record, I lost a lot of trust in politicians.

Dang, I haven't voted for anyone who's won a presidential or congressional seat since Reagan. There's been a lot I've supported who were already elected. People like Ron Paul (TX) Chip Roy (TX) Thomas Massie (KY) Justin Amash (MI). But I've never been lucky enough to have an actual fiscal and constitutional conservative in my state or district.

Feb 16, 2024#205

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davis2

StarTech said:
So far that was not any reported gang warfare reported even on FoxNews about the Kansas City Chiefs parade. It is still under investigation,

Quote from FoxNews>
Kansas City Police tell Fox News there are two juveniles currently in custody. A third juvenile was determined not to be involved and was released. Investigators are now working with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings to determine charges.

Authorities said "the relationship between the subjects involved is still under investigation" but that there is no evidence of links to terrorism.

"First and foremost, I want to stress that preliminary investigative findings have shown there was no nexus to terrorism or homegrown violent extremism," Graves said. "This appeared to be a dispute between several people that ended in gunfire."
End of Quote<

There you go jumping to conclusions before all the facts are out. Be it gang or not related even the police hasn't said. Yes I review CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX News
articles. They all basically posting the same info.

With semi automatics even a citizen defending themselves will fire multiple rounds but can release the trigger. It is like videos I have seen of law enforcement unloading whole clips before they are even sure of the threats nowadays. There was clip of officer going into a shooting round just because an acorn dropped on his car within the last week. They are trigger happy too. Apparently they are now being train to shoot first then ask questions.

I believe ESPN had mentioned gang activity in an article. I don't jump to conclusions. That gets people in trouble. What cracks me up is the lengths you and bert go to to try to prove something I said wrong.
I don't need to lie, or somehow distort the truth. You guys live to promote a narrative that most sane people know is propaganda.

But like you said, the shooting is still under investigation, so you are jumping to conclusions just stating I'm wrong. I do agree that some cops are way too trigger happy/ power drunk. Just look on you tube videos regarding constitutional audits.

Feb 16, 2024#206

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
I gotta admit, I was all in for Reagan. Much like these people are for Trump. But in my defense, this was way before the internet, where voting records and information was easy to obtain. I was pretty heartbroken to find out Reagan was one of the first real RINO's. Once I found out his actual record, I lost a lot of trust in politicians.

Dang, I haven't voted for anyone who's won a presidential or congressional seat since Reagan. There's been a lot I've supported who were already elected. People like Ron Paul (TX) Chip Roy (TX) Thomas Massie (KY) Justin Amash (MI). But I've never been lucky enough to have an actual fiscal and constitutional conservative in my state or district.

I've had the misfortune of living in NY and MD. I know about not having my preferred candidate win...

Feb 16, 2024#207

7394

Feb 17, 2024#208

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
I've had the misfortune of living in NY and MD. I know about not having my preferred candidate win...

My state is 100% Republican (US politicians), and they're all RINO's. Every last one of them. They, and their democrat challengers will never earn my support or vote.

Feb 17, 2024#209

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
I believe ESPN had mentioned gang activity in an article. I don't jump to conclusions. That gets people in trouble. What cracks me up is the lengths you and bert go to to try to prove something I said wrong.
I don't need to lie, or somehow distort the truth. You guys live to promote a narrative that most sane people know is propaganda.

But like you said, the shooting is still under investigation, so you are jumping to conclusions just stating I'm wrong. I do agree that some cops are way too trigger happy/ power drunk. Just look on you tube videos regarding constitutional audits.

Most of those constitutional audit Youtubers are just trouble makers. Going out in public with their camera's trying to stir up trouble. (for clicks, likes, shares and youtube money) Provoking the police for profit. They keep pissing off the cops, because it gets likes and shares.
LEO's aren't robots. Like any other human, you can only push them so far. And they know it. So they push them passed those limits. And society suffers from it by having to pay out huge judgements, fired police officers and more training to deal with drama queen youtubers.

Feb 17, 2024#210

StarTech

Since I am not into sports I do not view ESPN here for this reason as it is a waste of my time.

Now I still looking for murder charges to be filed but that hasn't happen yet. Just gun and resisting arrest charges for the two minors they got in custody.

So far they said they have multiple guns recovered and that this is out 48th mass shooting this year. Guns are way to easy to obtain through the black market now especially since they can 3D print them. They are currently doing tests to find out gun did the killing.

Either way when bullets start flying in a crowd a lot things are going to go wrong quickly. Kinda surprised there was no major stamped deaths.

But people are quick to try to say you did something you didn't do. Sorta like the neighbors next door. I have a 12 gauge loaded with "T" shot (triple BB size pellets) express loads. His wife claimed I shot the side of their house with it. Believe me that vinyl siding would not stand up to the shot if I did it and no there no sign of such a thing happening. BTW she can't the difference between a 12 ga and .22 either as she said I using a .22 when the only thing I use for varmints is the 12 ga. Until I get a apology they are just the people next door to avoid. Baptist my hind leg, just using the church to cover up their lies. Kinda glad he left after showing his A$$ instead following me into my home. Boy I hate to send a .357 hollow point thru someone but it is available if it comes to that.

And PT around here all you got to do look at the law enforcement cross eyed and they are ready to pull their service weapon. I avoid them at all costs. Otherwords when they come in a fast food joint I leave. I don't want to be around when they get the wrong food order. A good example was the last time I was at the courthouse to pay my taxes. Both officers at the metal detector had their hands on their guns just because my steel toe shoes sat the detector off which I had already told them I was wearing. Can't even pay your taxes without being threaten nowadays.

Feb 17, 2024#211

Hammermechanicman

Back in the day when I serviced their copiers I was in the Dayton police building so often I didn't bother going through the metal detector at security. They would just wave me through and I had almost all the door codes to the secure areas. If I got a parking ticket in the city I just took them in and they disappeared. If you want to see office equipment get abused just put it in a city police department.

Feb 17, 2024#212

StarTech

Which OEM copiers did you service. I serviced Panasonic and Toshiba copier mainly with a couple Minolta copiers

Feb 17, 2024#213

Hammermechanicman

I worked for Xerox for 40 years. Only serviced xerox equip. Serviced everything from the old stuff where solid state meant a light bulb to multi million dollar color production printers with over 100 circuit boards in them and a Leibert environmental system built into it.

Feb 17, 2024#214

StarTech

So you are one us Retired workers...or should be.

Feb 17, 2024#215

Hammermechanicman

Been fixing mowers as a side hustle business since the early 90's. Retired 5 years ago and took the mower shop full time.

Feb 17, 2024#216

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Lilranch2001

bertsmobile1 said:
Well it depends upon the type of collision as those 20' tall SUV's & pick ups are very prone to roll over because of the high COG .
On top of that because most are considered trucks they do not need to meet the same safety standards for things like crumple zones as saloon cars doo when T boned, most end up on their sides even if hit by a small saloon.
I drive cab over vans so the view from being higher does make it easier to avoid problems but most Yank Tanks have long bonnets (cause there is a v 10 or V 12 in there ) so that means there is a 50' blind spot in front of the vehicle .

I’m pretty sure you have no clue what you’re talking about because there are very few V 10 and V12 engines in the US!

Feb 17, 2024#217

StarTech

I think Porsche is about the only vehicle with V10 and V12 here in the states. Most large SUVs are V8 powered. But SUVs are in the same class as pickups so a whole different set safety standards. I think I have personally seen one V12 in my lifetime so far and that Porsche took up more than it fair share of a parking space. And have yet to see a V10.

With some the engine designs now some V6 engines are more powerful than older V8s. I got a Vortex V6 that is just powerful as the V8 it replaced. Now of cross I got a 4 speed automatic instead of a three speed.

Feb 17, 2024#218

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
I think Porsche is about the only vehicle with V10 and V12 here in the states. Most large SUVs are V8 powered. But SUVs are in the same class as pickups so a whole different set safety standards. I think I have personally seen one V12 in my lifetime so far and that Porsche took up more than it fair share of a parking space. And have yet to see a V10.

With some the engine designs now some V6 engines are more powerful than older V8s. I got a Vortex V6 that is just powerful as the V8 it replaced. Now of cross I got a 4 speed automatic instead of a three speed.

Do that have 4 speeds with OD? Or 3S with OD?

Feb 18, 2024#219

Hammermechanicman

StarTech said:
I think Porsche is about the only vehicle with V10 and V12 here in the states. Most large SUVs are V8 powered. But SUVs are in the same class as pickups so a whole different set safety standards. I think I have personally seen one V12 in my lifetime so far and that Porsche took up more than it fair share of a parking space. And have yet to see a V10.

With some the engine designs now some V6 engines are more powerful than older V8s. I got a Vortex V6 that is just powerful as the V8 it replaced. Now of cross I got a 4 speed automatic instead of a three speed.

My 1990 GMC pickup with a 5.7 V8 had 195hp. My 2018 GMC pickup with a 4.3 V6 has 285hp according to GM

My son's Q50 Red Sport has a 400hp 3.0L V6. Why he needs that is a mystery to me.

Feb 18, 2024#220

StarTech

PTmowerMech said:
Do that have 4 speeds with OD? Or 3S with OD?

The 4L60E is considered a 4 speed. Although 4th is an overdrive range with a lockup torque convertor.

This the transmission that self destructed at 343,000 mile here. Not much saveable other than the housing.

Feb 18, 2024#221

StarTech

Hammermechanicman said:
My 1990 GMC pickup with a 5.7 V8 had 195hp. My 2018 GMC pickup with a 4.3 V6 has 285hp according to GM

My son's Q50 Red Sport has a 400hp 3.0L V6. Why he needs that is a mystery to me.

I think that 4.3 V6 is the same basic engine I got in my 2000 S1500.

Mostly to just show off...

It just like those Gold color $399 sneakers that Trump is selling now. They are flashy but still wear out fast. I rather have my $50 Skechers as they wear out I can buy more easily instead of working a week or so just to pay for one pair.

Feb 18, 2024#222

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
I think that 4.3 V6 is the same basic engine I got in my 2000 S1500.

Mostly to just show off...

It just like those Gold color $399 sneakers that Trump is selling now. They are flashy but still wear out fast. I rather have my $50 Skechers as they wear out I can buy more easily instead of working a week or so just to pay for one pair.
View attachment 67819

Because of all the looting and "smash & grabs," this are only available for online purchases.

Feb 18, 2024#223

Hammermechanicman

StarTech said:
I think that 4.3 V6 is the same basic engine I got in my 2000

I think it is. Started out life as a 4.3L (265) V8 then went to 5.7L (350) then got 2 cylinders chopped off to a 4.3L (262) then a computer, fuel injection and variable valve timing. Just one of the evolutions of the small block chevy.

Feb 18, 2024#224

StarTech

Hmmm my '79 265 V8 left me getting an average mpg of 22.6 and highway mpg of 32. And porbably would got better mileage with a 200R4 Metric transmission instead of the 700R4. Originally the engine only got 16 mpg combined. Yet my current V6 only gets 15-17 mpg combined. They are not trying to get better mileage.

Feb 18, 2024#225

7394

Modern LS Chevy V-8's can easily get 22+ mpg.. Excellent engines as well.

Feb 18, 2024#226

Hammermechanicman

My 1990 GMC2500 with a 350 and TH400 nonlockup torque converter and 3.73 rear end got 9mpg empty or with a 4000lb camper in the bed and towing a boat. My new, 2018 truck, gets an average of 18mpg.

Feb 18, 2024#227

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
Most of those constitutional audit Youtubers are just trouble makers. Going out in public with their camera's trying to stir up trouble. (for clicks, likes, shares and youtube money) Provoking the police for profit. They keep pissing off the cops, because it gets likes and shares.
LEO's aren't robots. Like any other human, you can only push them so far. And they know it. So they push them passed those limits. And society suffers from it by having to pay out huge judgements, fired police officers and more training to deal with drama queen youtubers.

They may be "trouble makers" but they are right about the laws. I have known many police officers, sheriff deputies, and state troopers. Most are good, but the badge doesn't give them super powers to demand more than the law allows. They should know the laws they are tasked with ENFORCING!! Unfortunately , they also need to be able to control their emotions. Some can, some can't.
I worked along with them as a volunteer firefighter. Our jobs interested more than you would think. I've seen the bad and good. I've also served on a murder trial as a juror. By no means am I claiming to be any sort of expert, but have seen and experienced a lot. Life is one big learning experience...

Feb 18, 2024#228

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davis2

Lilranch2001 said:
I’m pretty sure you have no clue what you’re talking about because there are very few V 10 and V12 engines in the US!

I may argue politics with Bert and others, but the know their powered equipment of all types. You may want to reconsider your comment...

Feb 18, 2024#229

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davis2

StarTech said:
I think Porsche is about the only vehicle with V10 and V12 here in the states. Most large SUVs are V8 powered. But SUVs are in the same class as pickups so a whole different set safety standards. I think I have personally seen one V12 in my lifetime so far and that Porsche took up more than it fair share of a parking space. And have yet to see a V10.

With some the engine designs now some V6 engines are more powerful than older V8s. I got a Vortex V6 that is just powerful as the V8 it replaced. Now of cross I got a 4 speed automatic instead of a three speed.

Ford and Dodge have had V10 's. Not recently, but they have.

Feb 19, 2024#230

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bertsmobile1

FWIW
The V 10's stick out like dogs balls down here where the bulk of the cars are 4 cylinder and most SUVs are diesel strait 4 or V 6 .
Hence the hideous design stands out in the memory.
Unfortunately since GM & Ford closed their factories here, all we get now are the hideously ugly US styled agro vehicles or properly designed UK cars that are amazingly unreliable or the just plain overpriced European vehicles with crap build quality ( they make Teslas look well made )
An acquaintance from the days when I used my education had a bit to say about the original subject of this thread

Feb 19, 2024#231

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davis2

bertsmobile1 said:
FWIW
The V 10's stick out like dogs balls down here where the bulk of the cars are 4 cylinder and most SUVs are diesel strait 4 or V 6 .
Hence the hideous design stands out in the memory.
Unfortunately since GM & Ford closed their factories here, all we get now are the hideously ugly US styled agro vehicles or properly designed UK cars that are amazingly unreliable or the just plain overpriced European vehicles with crap build quality ( they make Teslas look well made )
An acquaintance from the days when I used my education had a bit to say about the original subject of this thread

With the power you can get out of a V8, and power adders,who really needs a V10 other than maybe a huge construction machine?

Feb 19, 2024#232

Hammermechanicman

I want a V10 on my big urban assault vehicle.

Feb 19, 2024#233

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
They may be "trouble makers" but they are right about the laws. I have known many police officers, sheriff deputies, and state troopers. Most are good, but the badge doesn't give them super powers to demand more than the law allows. They should know the laws they are tasked with ENFORCING!! Unfortunately , they also need to be able to control their emotions. Some can, some can't.
I worked along with them as a volunteer firefighter. Our jobs interested more than you would think. I've seen the bad and good. I've also served on a murder trial as a juror. By no means am I claiming to be any sort of expert, but have seen and experienced a lot. Life is one big learning experience...

Again, cops aren't robots. It would take a million TB computer to know all the laws.
But when you're having to deal with the general public morons on a day to day basis, people who will lie to know end, will fight and scream over the most retarded things, it takes a special type of person to be able to handle all that, and not lose your cool.

Give a look. It's a short video. Would you be able to keep your cool & composure with all this going on around you?
You're there to investigate gunshots, and are met with hoodrats.

Language warning.

Feb 19, 2024#234

PTmowerMech

Hammermechanicman said:
I want a V10 on my big urban assault vehicle.

I want at least a V6 on a new Stihl ZTR.

Feb 19, 2024#235

Hammermechanicman

PTmowerMech said:
I want at least a V6 on a new Stihl ZTR.

Feb 20, 2024#236

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bertsmobile1

StarTech said:
I think that 4.3 V6 is the same basic engine I got in my 2000 S1500.

Mostly to just show off...

It just like those Gold color $399 sneakers that Trump is selling now. They are flashy but still wear out fast. I rather have my $50 Skechers as they wear out I can buy more easily instead of working a week or so just to pay for one pair.
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So here is the truth about sneakers
There was only ever one pair of them and none will ever be made .The one & only pair were auctioned and were bought for $ 9,000 by the CEO of a russian company .
See the video below from about minute if you want to avoid the politics

Feb 20, 2024#237

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DK35vince

bertsmobile1 said:
So here is the truth about sneakers
There was only ever one pair of them and none will ever be made .The one & only pair were auctioned and were bought for $ 9,000 by the CEO of a russian company .
See the video below from about minute if you want to avoid the politics

Strange every article I read says 1000 pair were made and sold for $399 a pair

Feb 21, 2024#238

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bertsmobile1

DK35vince said:
Strange every article I read says 1000 pair were made and sold for $399 a pair

So you believe some thing that trump says ?
Go back to the trump web site and read the fine print
There are no shoes apart from the pair trump had at sneaker con
Read the sales conditions
The Midas Touch went through the whole thing just the same as they went through trump steak, the tump bed ware & the fungable tokens
All shell companies within shell companies within shell companies .
So they have taken 1,000 orders they have not sold a single shoe other than the sample pair
Checks the web page, no idea when they will be delivered , some time after June ?

remember trump is a real estate con man .
Ever gone past a block of new apartments & seen a "last one" or "all sold" then a week latter suddenly there are only 3 left
It is called FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out ) and it makes people open their wallets without thinking

Feb 21, 2024#239

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DK35vince

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/19/style/trump-gold-sneakers.html

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/19/1232438349/donald-trump-golden-high-top-sneakers

MSN

Should I keep going, there are several more just from a quick google search
Some buyers are already listing them on Ebay trying to make a quick profit

Feb 21, 2024#240

StarTech

There is a sucker born every minute.....And fools are soon parted from their money....

Feb 22, 2024#241

4getgto

StarTech said:
There is a sucker born every minute.....And fools are soon parted from their money....

Can this guy get anymore ridiculous ?
They say the economy is bad but yet the followers have money to buy $400 sneakers......

Feb 22, 2024#242

StarTech

Well DJT lawyers just tried to the latest judgement put for at 30 days and the judge said no. And Mike Lindell says he completely broke and can't pay the 5 million judgement against him. Definitely not getting a lot support DJT either.

And now we now facing another government shutdown March 1. Boy isn't our government working great lately? It like no one is even at work up there anymore. But I do hear all the crickets chirping and then Cicadas be singing in a while.

Feb 22, 2024#243

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davis2

PTmowerMech said:
Again, cops aren't robots. It would take a million TB computer to know all the laws.
But when you're having to deal with the general public morons on a day to day basis, people who will lie to know end, will fight and scream over the most retarded things, it takes a special type of person to be able to handle all that, and not lose your cool.

Give a look. It's a short video. Would you be able to keep your cool & composure with all this going on around you?
You're there to investigate gunshots, and are met with hoodrats.

Language warning.

I have seen shit like that. It's insane what emergency work brings you. But still, the cop has to be the adult in the room on most calls. Usually they have to mediate childish stuff all day. The job should come with training on what you can and can't ask for in situations. After all, they work to protect us, and we aren't all criminals.

Feb 22, 2024#244

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davis2

StarTech said:
Well DJT lawyers just tried to the latest judgement put for at 30 days and the judge said no. And Mike Lindell says he completely broke and can't pay the 5 million judgement against him. Definitely not getting a lot support DJT either.

And now we now facing another government shutdown March 1. Boy isn't our government working great lately? It like no one is even at work up there anymore. But I do hear all the crickets chirping and then Cicadas be singing in a while.

The NY trial was a kangaroo court. That will not stand, although he will be forced to go to the Supreme Court for justice. New York State screwed itself with this partisan "trial". Nobody will do business there now. Glad I moved out!

Feb 22, 2024#245

PTmowerMech

davis2 said:
I have seen shit like that. It's insane what emergency work brings you. But still, the cop has to be the adult in the room on most calls. Usually they have to mediate childish stuff all day. The job should come with training on what you can and can't ask for in situations. After all, they work to protect us, and we aren't all criminals.

The job should allow the cops to knock the heck out of some of these retards, just for wasting their time and their mentality. Again, they're not robots. All these entitled folks don't deserve respect or trained officers. They don't do anything but make our society worse off. Many of them aren't fit for society. But the police are supposed to treat them as equal as two adult acting individuals who have a legitimate disagreement?
Yeah na.

The child acting folks need to be treated like children. Not entitled spoiled children.

Do you realize how many trillions of $$$$ goes into try to protect citizens from these kind of people? Everything from door locks to federal penitentiary's. The amount of police, jails, prisons, security camera's, dead bolt locks on our houses that's now required. They're the reason why so many decent people in the USA have to have guns now a days. Because police are forced to treat these people with too much respect. The prosecutors and judges only give them a slap on the wrist.

Feb 22, 2024#246

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Well DJT lawyers just tried to the latest judgement put for at 30 days and the judge said no. And Mike Lindell says he completely broke and can't pay the 5 million judgement against him. Definitely not getting a lot support DJT either.

And now we now facing another government shutdown March 1. Boy isn't our government working great lately? It like no one is even at work up there anymore. But I do hear all the crickets chirping and then Cicadas be singing in a while.

Standing up for Trump isn't smart. He's a genius as getting people to do his dirty work, so he can get off scott free. Lindell and Giuliani are just a couple of examples. Those GA fake electors.
Holy heck, the list of people that took up for Trump, but are now either broke or have a criminal record, is pretty lengthy.

Trump will make enough on his new shoes and cologne sales to cover his legal bills.

Feb 23, 2024#247

4getgto

Hopefully Trumps getting his sneakers made in China . Be better profits..

Feb 23, 2024#248

StarTech

Now there is DJT pinball machine. He is just merchandising everything he can to make a quick buck.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/02/23/cpac-trump-merchandise-pinball-sot-nn-vpx.cnn

Personally the Conservative Republicans are getting more and more like the Taliban religious extremists. They think we all should be indoctrinated in religion and only believe their way. Sorry but the preachers here has fully turn me against attending church. Especially when the last church demanded 30% of my weekly income.

Feb 23, 2024#249

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bertsmobile1

DK35vince said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/19/style/trump-gold-sneakers.html

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/19/1232438349/donald-trump-golden-high-top-sneakers

MSN

Should I keep going, there are several more just from a quick google search
Some buyers are already listing them on Ebay trying to make a quick profit

When you do a search , you have to do more than just read the headlines.
So I went to ebay as you suggested and all but one were listed as pre-orders and every image was taken off trumps promo site
One sellers ( who did not have the shoes ) has 0 sales teamso-14 and joined in Feb 2024 and every image is off the trump promo web site, ie:- he does not have the shoes .
One seller has multiple listing Vancard0 and again every image has been lifted off the web also note the black boxes are different to the other black boxes 2 are listed as pre-sales
Another Mjoe_Collects is honest enough to say they are pre-sale and he will ship when they arrive
And dare-9168 has 3 items for sale . 1 each of trumps sneakers . again all listed as ships July .

Now trump could say the sky was purple and he just sold 10 appartments in Trump Tower on the moon & 1/2 of the USA papers would run the story as if it was gospel truth .
Most media still call him President trump not ex or previous or retired and most still run the narraive that 2020 was stoles despite the fact that 82 court cases, 60 of them in republican states with republican appointed judges could find NO EVIDENCE of any election fraud and the $ 7,000,000 special republician investigation actually found more votes for Biden . And the only evidence of corruption ( apart from the taped phone calls ) was the fake college electors and 2 of them have taken a guilty plea, again in a republican state in front of a republican appointed judge and a republican appointed prosecutor a couple have urned states evidence and the rest will be charged with treason .

I seriously doubt that you will do it but others who do not have closed minds and read this post may like to find out why trump followers believe all of his lies

And then if that is not enough here is a listing of the failed marketing schemes and bankruptcies I did not see trump shirts, ties, cuff links & mattresses in there but they may have been a part of "trumped"

Here Are All of Trump’s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses

By Sahid Fawaz Donald Trump loves to talk big about how great he is at business. His record says otherwise.

labor411.org

In the link from the Midas touch, that I doubt you bothered to listen to either was a business registration document filed to register the sneaker sham and I think thee was about 20 failed businesses listed on it .
The man is a con artist, the proverbial snake oil sales man and his besotted disciples in the house are going to shut down the government, throwing the country into chaos in the hope that the federal court will run out of money so not be able to rule on his appeals and the documents case which is a slam dunk to have him in prison

Feb 23, 2024#250

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Now there is DJT pinball machine. He is just merchandising everything he can to make a quick buck.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/02/23/cpac-trump-merchandise-pinball-sot-nn-vpx.cnn

Personally the Conservative Republicans are getting more and more like the Taliban religious extremists. They think we all should be indoctrinated in religion and only believe their way. Sorry but the preachers here has fully turn me against attending church. Especially when the last church demanded 30% of my weekly income.

There's a difference between conservatives and Republicans. Fact is, there's only a handful of actual conservatives left. The RINO's (Trump, McConnell, Mike Johnson) only identify as conservatives. Like one of those trans people.

Feb 23, 2024#251

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
When you do a search , you have to do more than just read the headlines.
So I went to ebay as you suggested and all but one were listed as pre-orders and every image was taken off trumps promo site
One sellers ( who did not have the shoes ) has 0 sales teamso-14 and joined in Feb 2024 and every image is off the trump promo web site, ie:- he does not have the shoes .
One seller has multiple listing Vancard0 and again every image has been lifted off the web also note the black boxes are different to the other black boxes 2 are listed as pre-sales
Another Mjoe_Collects is honest enough to say they are pre-sale and he will ship when they arrive
And dare-9168 has 3 items for sale . 1 each of trumps sneakers . again all listed as ships July .

Now trump could say the sky was purple and he just sold 10 appartments in Trump Tower on the moon & 1/2 of the USA papers would run the story as if it was gospel truth .
Most media still call him President trump not ex or previous or retired and most still run the narraive that 2020 was stoles despite the fact that 82 court cases, 60 of them in republican states with republican appointed judges could find NO EVIDENCE of any election fraud and the $ 7,000,000 special republician investigation actually found more votes for Biden . And the only evidence of corruption ( apart from the taped phone calls ) was the fake college electors and 2 of them have taken a guilty plea, again in a republican state in front of a republican appointed judge and a republican appointed prosecutor a couple have urned states evidence and the rest will be charged with treason .

I seriously doubt that you will do it but others who do not have closed minds and read this post may like to find out why trump followers believe all of his lies

And then if that is not enough here is a listing of the failed marketing schemes and bankruptcies I did not see trump shirts, ties, cuff links & mattresses in there but they may have been a part of "trumped"

Here Are All of Trump’s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses

By Sahid Fawaz Donald Trump loves to talk big about how great he is at business. His record says otherwise.

labor411.org

In the link from the Midas touch, that I doubt you bothered to listen to either was a business registration document filed to register the sneaker sham and I think thee was about 20 failed businesses listed on it .
The man is a con artist, the proverbial snake oil sales man and his besotted disciples in the house are going to shut down the government, throwing the country into chaos in the hope that the federal court will run out of money so not be able to rule on his appeals and the documents case which is a slam dunk to have him in prison

Nailed it.

Feb 23, 2024#252

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bertsmobile1

PTmowerMech said:
Standing up for Trump isn't smart. He's a genius as getting people to do his dirty work, so he can get off scott free. Lindell and Giuliani are just a couple of examples. Those GA fake electors.
Holy heck, the list of people that took up for Trump, but are now either broke or have a criminal record, is pretty lengthy.

Trump will make enough on his new shoes and cologne sales to cover his legal bills.

I am expecting "mystery buyers" ( with russian accents ) to purchase around 1,000,000 of the 1,000 limited edition shoes, actually they will have to buy 1,800 pairs for him to get the $ 4,000,000 that he does not have to post surety for the appeal that he will loose .
He has to find $ 86,000,000 for his appeal in the Carrol case to go ahead and he can not find that nor can he get a bail bond for that much .
He had to post the original $ 6,500,000 in cash for the original appeal against the Carrol verdict because he could not find a bonding company to cover it so he took it from the republican election campaign fund which is outside the charitable use classification so he will owe the IRS $ 2,405,000 because the $ 6,500,000 will be considered to be personal income , which is why he wants to defund the IRS . He can not borrow the money in Amercia because he is banned from taking any loan out with a bank registered to do business in NY and that is just about every bank in he world , including russia & china .
He testified under oath that he has $ 400,000,000 in cash on hand in the NY fraud trial and if it is found that he does not have $ 400,000,000 then that is either contempt or perjury so more potential court cases and the judge warned all parties several times that any perjury will lead to further prosecutions .When your whole life is nothing but a web of lies eventually you get caught up in them .
He has 22 days left to stump up with the Carrol money from the 3 cases he lost every time and the SCOTUS appeal will go nowhere because he has no grounds for an appeal . The NY fraud case is the same , there are no grounds for an appeal there either , the court has the power to increase it and it is accruing 9% compound interest .
Interestingly he filed an appeal today for a delay in the writs of execution being filed with no reason , just a please sir delay it for 30 days .
And funny enough the judge who he has abused , ridiculed , accused to be biased and slandered daily with his deranged midnight posts rejected the appeal so the documents were filed Friday and he now has 30 days, tic tock, tic tock Also note his threats are supposedly behind the almost daily death threats against the judge, his family his children and also against the court clerk and his family such that all of them have 24/7 security guards and trump says he is being persecuted .
The court appointed supervisor , who was chosen from 3 that trump advanced and who he has now slandered as well , estimates that trump may actually own less than 10% of all of his properties as they are all heavily leveraged so in 30 days expect a fire sale , in fact she doubts that trumps has sufficient equity in his entire assets , apart form the trump brand to pay the fine .

Feb 23, 2024#253

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bertsmobile1

PTmowerMech said:
There's a difference between conservatives and Republicans. Fact is, there's only a handful of actual conservatives left. The RINO's (Trump, McConnell, Mike Johnson) only identify as conservatives. Like one of those trans people.

And most of the true conservative are not standing , they are all fed up with the maga antics so can not allow their good name to be associated with this do nothing congress .
They just has the republican convention ( where trump agains did his grifting ) and interestingly, there was no one there .
If you watch the Fox coverage there is only ever close ups of the speakers and if you listen closely, there is very little applauding because there was no one there to applaud
Another main stream media coverage added canned applause and even then it was badly done because you can hear it was identical every time

Feb 23, 2024#254

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
And most of the true conservative are not standing , they are all fed up with the maga antics so can not allow their good name to be associated with this do nothing congress .
They just has the republican convention ( where trump agains did his grifting ) and interestingly, there was no one there .
If you watch the Fox coverage there is only ever close ups of the speakers and if you listen closely, there is very little applauding because there was no one there to applaud
Another main stream media coverage added canned applause and even then it was badly done because you can hear it was identical every time

Guys like this are few and far between in our nations capital. And regardless of how conservative this man is, how excellent his voting record is, he'd never stand a chance against a RINO like Trump.

Feb 23, 2024#255

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davis2

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