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Apr 29, 2013#1

S

SCMCG

Hello. I am looking to purchase a new ZT for my acerage. I have narrowed it down to a Gravely ZT52HD and a Country Clipper Edge XLT 52.
The Gravely's advantages are 3100 Hydro units and the Clipper uses the 2800 units, the customer service by the guy selling them is unmatched, and it is $165 cheaper. The Country Clipper's advantages are the easy flip-up deck, joystick/one hand operation, and a pivoting front axle. I have about 2.5 acres to mow, probably 50% is fairly flat although rough, and the other half is some off-camber and hillsides/ditches. Nothing more than 45 degree banking. Quite a few trees and things to go around but nothing that I couldn't use a 60" or even a 72" deck if I had to. The joystick isn't a dealbreaker as the Clipper is also available in the twin lever design, however I thought having a one-hand free could be beneficial. I don't want to spend over $5300.00. Thoughts?

Apr 29, 2013#2

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Hello. I am looking to purchase a new ZT for my acerage. I have narrowed it down to a Gravely ZT52HD and a Country Clipper Edge XLT 52.
The Gravely's advantages are 3100 Hydro units and the Clipper uses the 2800 units, the customer service by the guy selling them is unmatched, and it is $165 cheaper. The Country Clipper's advantages are the easy flip-up deck, joystick/one hand operation, and a pivoting front axle. I have about 2.5 acres to mow, probably 50% is fairly flat although rough, and the other half is some off-camber and hillsides/ditches. Nothing more than 45 degree banking. Quite a few trees and things to go around but nothing that I couldn't use a 60" or even a 72" deck if I had to. The joystick isn't a dealbreaker as the Clipper is also available in the twin lever design, however I thought having a one-hand free could be beneficial. I don't want to spend over $5300.00. Thoughts?

SCMCG,
Wow...if those grades are indeed 45 degree "angles" be VER careful on a ZTR(or any mower). More that 15 degrees is regarded as "unsafe" and some engines at > 20 degrees will become oil-starved and incur damages. I have no knowledg of the Country Clipper machines but as a Gravely owner can highly recommend them.

Apr 29, 2013#3

S

SCMCG

OOPS! That was a typo. Sposed to be 15 degrees LOL!

Apr 29, 2013#4

Old Goat

Here we go again. Daily occurrence lately.

You owe it to yourself to look these over carefully.

Residential and Commercial Zero Turn Radius Lawn Mowers and Tractors - Big Dog Mowers

Five dealers in your area. Made by Excel Industries,(Hustler) 1st ZTR made in 1966.
Big Dog only out about 4 years now.

I own a R754 model, paid $4800. Check photos in my album. Extremely satisfied with quality and "bang for the buck".
Lot's of folks pay way more, but it ain't cost effective IMO.

I also cut 2.5 acres, takes about 1 1/4 hours. Maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Charles

Apr 29, 2013#5

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
OOPS! That was a typo. Sposed to be 15 degrees LOL!

Whew....I feel better already that you aren't risking life & limb:0)
With $5300 to spend you need to add several more brands to the mix. The Toro Titan MX series is another very good high-end residential unit to take a look at as well as the Hustler Fastrak, and Big Dog(made by Hustler). There are sooooooo many good ZTR's out there you will need to make sure you are comparing apples-to-apples across different brands and it won't be an easy decision. Be sure to consider dealer reputation and warranties(especially when a Residential model carries a Commercial warranty....always a good sign of quality/durability). Make sure the overall build quality, deck gauge/hanging system, trannies, engine make/series, spindles, etc. are equal when comparing so you don't wonder "why is that one so much more expensive". Good luck finding just the right one for you!!!

Apr 29, 2013#6

djdicetn

Old Goat said:
Here we go again. Daily occurrence lately.

You owe it to yourself to look these over carefully.

Residential and Commercial Zero Turn Radius Lawn Mowers and Tractors - Big Dog Mowers

Five dealers in your area. Made by Excel Industries,(Hustler) 1st ZTR made in 1966.
Big Dog only out about 4 years now.

I own a R754 model, paid $4800. Check photos in my album. Extremely satisfied with quality and "bang for the buck".
Lot's of folks pay way more, but it ain't cost effective IMO.

I also cut 2.5 acres, takes about 1 1/4 hours. Maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Charles

Old Goat,
Did you get my post about Hustler having the highest dealership ratings??? Gravely(Ariens) wasn't far behind. Yeah..daily since a lot of users are looking at their grass this spring thinking "I gotta have a better way to cut this stuff". Personally, I'm glad I decided to upgrade to a ZTR in September, which I consider a "buyers market" when it comes to getting a deal. But admit it......I have never really "dogged" that Big Dog of yours have I????:0)

Apr 29, 2013#7

Old Goat

djdicetn said:
Old Goat,
Did you get my post about Hustler having the highest dealership ratings??? Gravely(Ariens) wasn't far behind. Yeah..daily since a lot of users are looking at their grass this spring thinking "I gotta have a better way to cut this stuff". Personally, I'm glad I decided to upgrade to a ZTR in September, which I consider a "buyers market" when it comes to getting a deal. But admit it......I have never really "dogged" that Big Dog of yours have I????:0)

No Sir, You have not.

Apr 29, 2013#8

S

SCMCG

Thanks guys! I will check out the Hustler. I called the Bigdog dealer in Des Moines and he said he doesn't even want to sell me one as he has never even seen one. He wants to sell me a Gravely LOL. The other Bigdog dealers are just too far from me. The Country Clippers are made here in Iowa about 45 minutes from where I live and lots of guys locally here running them, as well as Gravely. How big of difference if any will I notice between the 2800 and 3100 series hydrostats?

Apr 29, 2013#9

lawn mower fanatic

I moved your thread to the Mower Buying & Pricing Forum. :smile:

Apr 29, 2013#10

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Thanks guys! I will check out the Hustler. I called the Bigdog dealer in Des Moines and he said he doesn't even want to sell me one as he has never even seen one. He wants to sell me a Gravely LOL. The other Bigdog dealers are just too far from me. The Country Clippers are made here in Iowa about 45 minutes from where I live and lots of guys locally here running them, as well as Gravely. How big of difference if any will I notice between the 2800 and 3100 series hydrostats?

SCMCG,

I would guess as you progress from the ZT-2800 to the 3100, 3200, 3400 and 5400 you gain a little faster speed and more durability. I'm no tranny expert but that's my guess as to the bottom-line. Below the ZT-2800(the EZT) you get sealed, residential quality and cannot service the fluid:0(
P.S
It may not help but look at what their own dealers say about the different machines in the link below(not ALL ZTR manufacturers are included, only the big players...BTW, Ariens includes Gravely since they own that company).

http://www.msdeda.com/pdf/2013 Dealer Manufacturer Survey.pdf

Apr 29, 2013#11

S

SCMCG

Thanks for the link! That is kinda what I figured on the trannies. I really like the country clipper but the 2800 hydros were a concern but maybe shouldn't be. I really like the joystick control idea as well as the easy flip up deck. Near as I can tell they are every bit as solid-built as anything else out there, built locally, and, like the Gravely, have a great service center right here in town.

Apr 29, 2013#12

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Thanks for the link! That is kinda what I figured on the trannies. I really like the country clipper but the 2800 hydros were a concern but maybe shouldn't be. I really like the joystick control idea as well as the easy flip up deck. Near as I can tell they are every bit as solid-built as anything else out there, built locally, and, like the Gravely, have a great service center right here in town.

A reliable dealer is definitely important and the ZT-2800 may be fine if you keep them serviced and don't run it too hard. I'll be the last to discourage you from buying the Clipper because even though they may not be as well known as some other brands I've not heard anything negative about them(and there is at least one user on these forums that has one and loves it). Just keep in mind with 2.5 acres to mow on a regular basis you need to make sure you spend every penny of that $5,300 budget and get as heavy duty of ZTR as your money will buy. That's a lot of mowing, but again there are guys on these forums that mow yards for a living that have ZTR's that didn't cost more than $5,300 and they put a LOT of hours on those ZTR's and they seem to do fine. At least, like some newbies, you're not kidding yourself and looking for a $3k big box store ZTR to do the job!! If you pull the string on the Clipper, post a picture and keep us updated on how you like it.

Apr 29, 2013#13

S

SCMCG

djdicetn said:
A reliable dealer is definitely important and the ZT-2800 may be fine if you keep them serviced and don't run it too hard. I'll be the last to discourage you from buying the Clipper because even though they may not be as well known as some other brands I've not heard anything negative about them(and there is at least one user on these forums that has one and loves it). Just keep in mind with 2.5 acres to mow on a regular basis you need to make sure you spend every penny of that $5,300 budget and get as heavy duty of ZTR as your money will buy. That's a lot of mowing, but again there are guys on these forums that mow yards for a living that have ZTR's that didn't cost more than $5,300 and they put a LOT of hours on those ZTR's and they seem to do fine. At least, like some newbies, you're not kidding yourself and looking for a $3k big box store ZTR to do the job!! If you pull the string on the Clipper, post a picture and keep us updated on how you like it.

I have done some mowing commercially, and as a city employee-althoiugh it has been 20 years ago, LOL. Also I am in the car business so i am pretty savvy about researching details like this. Growing up on a farm helps too

. I bought my Scotts (John Deere) new at Home Depot in 99. It is a 25hp Kohler and a 54" deck, foot controlled hydro. I have changed the oil a few times, never touched the hydro, and kept the chassis and deck greased. almost 1000 hours and it is still going. The deck is worn out, the engine could use freshened, still on the original trans/drive belt even! 11 guage stamped deck has taken a beating. I also push snow with it in the winter, which I will continue to do even when I purchase my new ZT. I can't complain about this tractor at all, however I know the chances that could happen again with a Home Depot machine are slim to none. My gut is telling me go with the Gravely, but I am really liking the deck and joystick on the clipper. Gotta make a decision or I may talk myself into sticking with my old tractor another year LOL!

Apr 29, 2013#14

RatRacer

Sounds like your Scotts has paid its rent, and then some.:thumbsup:
My advice would be to go and test ride them. All stuff looks great on paper, in spec sheet form, but nothing beats seeing and feeling model characteristics live in person. Suspension feel, seat comfort, travel speed and control, deck lifting effort, etc... are all items that just cannot be truly conveyed, nor compared, on a brochure/PDF download. Dealer face 2 face time will also get you better deals, because you made the effort to go see them vs. a price comparison phone call. Talk to mechanics too, if you can, because service after the sale is almost as important.

Apr 30, 2013#15

txzrider

Hi... I am at least one Country Clipper owner on here that loves it!! I love the joystick and the flip up deck!! The one you are looking at has 1 more thing I wish mine had ... the floating front end. My Snapper(designed and built by the company that makes the clipper for Snapper) had a floating front end that pivoted when it travelled across uneven ground. My Country Clipper is a level below the ones that have it. And it is a really good feature. So while my clipper is built much stronger than the snapper, the snapper kind of floated over the ground, whereas mine will lift a wheel from time to time when it goes over uneven ground. The snapper would never do that. The Country Clipper you are looking at will float and handle uneven terrain better than mine. If there was one thing I would ask... which engine does the clipper you are looking at have?? If the kawasaki... then your golden, if that crappy Kohler courage... I might look elsewhere. In any case there are lots of guys on here running much bigger ztr's than me and I am sure they have all the experience in the world to point you done the correct path. I think the fact your are 45 min from the Country clipper factory is a big plus as well. Also, if you were to compare my snapper to the clipper, you would find that every single area was upgraded. The snapper had cables from the joysticks to the hydro's, the clipper has rods with heim joints. Snapper had a stamped deck, Clipper has a fab'ed deck with cast iron spindles. The snapper has a plastic spout thing to drain the oil, the clipper has a brass valve that is much sturdier. Drive them all and play with the deck on the clipper, the deck is what sold me on my clipper, since I have some back issues. (sorry for rambling)

Apr 30, 2013#16

S

SCMCG

This may be a dumb question, but is there anywhere to find seat heights on these mowers? I sat on both this morning and the Gravely just seems like I am sitting up higher where as the Clipper feels more like I am down and being cradled in a little more. To look at them you really cant tell and I am guessing it is all an illusion but just curious.

Apr 30, 2013#17

Old Goat

SCMCG said:
This may be a dumb question, but is there anywhere to find seat heights on these mowers? I sat on both this morning and the Gravely just seems like I am sitting up higher where as the Clipper feels more like I am down and being cradled in a little more. To look at them you really cant tell and I am guessing it is all an illusion but just curious.

It is I believe. I got the same feeling, although I didn't measure them to compare.
One of the numerous reasons I rejected it in favor of the Big Dog.

Apr 30, 2013#18

djdicetn

txzrider said:
Hi... I am at least one Country Clipper owner on here that loves it!! I love the joystick and the flip up deck!! The one you are looking at has 1 more thing I wish mine had ... the floating front end. My Snapper(designed and built by the company that makes the clipper for Snapper) had a floating front end that pivoted when it travelled across uneven ground. My Country Clipper is a level below the ones that have it. And it is a really good feature. So while my clipper is built much stronger than the snapper, the snapper kind of floated over the ground, whereas mine will lift a wheel from time to time when it goes over uneven ground. The snapper would never do that. The Country Clipper you are looking at will float and handle uneven terrain better than mine. If there was one thing I would ask... which engine does the clipper you are looking at have?? If the kawasaki... then your golden, if that crappy Kohler courage... I might look elsewhere. In any case there are lots of guys on here running much bigger ztr's than me and I am sure they have all the experience in the world to point you done the correct path. I think the fact your are 45 min from the Country clipper factory is a big plus as well. Also, if you were to compare my snapper to the clipper, you would find that every single area was upgraded. The snapper had cables from the joysticks to the hydro's, the clipper has rods with heim joints. Snapper had a stamped deck, Clipper has a fab'ed deck with cast iron spindles. The snapper has a plastic spout thing to drain the oil, the clipper has a brass valve that is much sturdier. Drive them all and play with the deck on the clipper, the deck is what sold me on my clipper, since I have some back issues. (sorry for rambling)

txzrider,

There you are.....your ears musta been burning from me mentioning you:0) I couldn't remember your user name, but did remember reading several of your posts and that you were quite pleased with your Clipper. I hear ya, after we buy something and have used it for a while....that's when we find out that there was that one upgrrade we wished we had gotten:0)

Apr 30, 2013#19

S

SCMCG

txzrider said:
Hi... I am at least one Country Clipper owner on here that loves it!! I love the joystick and the flip up deck!! The one you are looking at has 1 more thing I wish mine had ... the floating front end. My Snapper(designed and built by the company that makes the clipper for Snapper) had a floating front end that pivoted when it travelled across uneven ground. My Country Clipper is a level below the ones that have it. And it is a really good feature. So while my clipper is built much stronger than the snapper, the snapper kind of floated over the ground, whereas mine will lift a wheel from time to time when it goes over uneven ground. The snapper would never do that. The Country Clipper you are looking at will float and handle uneven terrain better than mine. If there was one thing I would ask... which engine does the clipper you are looking at have?? If the kawasaki... then your golden, if that crappy Kohler courage... I might look elsewhere. In any case there are lots of guys on here running much bigger ztr's than me and I am sure they have all the experience in the world to point you done the correct path. I think the fact your are 45 min from the Country clipper factory is a big plus as well. Also, if you were to compare my snapper to the clipper, you would find that every single area was upgraded. The snapper had cables from the joysticks to the hydro's, the clipper has rods with heim joints. Snapper had a stamped deck, Clipper has a fab'ed deck with cast iron spindles. The snapper has a plastic spout thing to drain the oil, the clipper has a brass valve that is much sturdier. Drive them all and play with the deck on the clipper, the deck is what sold me on my clipper, since I have some back issues. (sorry for rambling)

Yes the EdgeXLT model has the Kawie motor, a definate must. Another thing the Clippers' fuel tanks are under the seat, providing an even lower center of gravity I believe. I don't have a lot of sloped land, but what I do have I don't want to feel "tippy".

Apr 30, 2013#20

S

SCMCG

Well I went over to visit a guy I know who just got a Clipper Challenger 52" deck 30HP Kohler I think it has. this is I think the entry level commercial unit. It has the joystick and I took it for a spin. I really think that after a short time the joystick is very nice. I can see the potential on a really rough yard that it may be kinda "jumpy" or a little harder to hold straight maybe but then again so are the twin levers on na really rough ground. The CC sits lower and is more comfy than the Gravely in my opinion, has bigger rear tires and a wider track, more anti scalp wheels, a heavier built deck, more comfy seat. I guess the only thing really concerning me is the use of the 2800 hydros instead of the 3100 series.

Apr 30, 2013#21

txzrider

thats where all these proffessional types might help... I have only used my snapper (for 15 years with eaton 7800 hydros) and my Clipper with EZT's. For what I do, I have never been too worried.

Apr 30, 2013#22

RatRacer

SCMCG said:
I guess the only thing really concerning me is the use of the 2800 hydros instead of the 3100 series.

Don't give up on the ZT-2800. Get the part numbers off the actual units of your desired rig. ZT-2800 come in 3 flavors, and by my understanding and research, 2 of those flavors have steel cut gears vs. powder metal gears. Dig, ask, dig some more. Find the truth.

See the 22" tire sub-note.

Apr 30, 2013#23

S

SCMCG

RatRacer said:
Don't give up on the ZT-2800. Get the part numbers off the actual units of your desired rig. ZT-2800 come in 3 flavors, and by my understanding and research, 2 of those flavors have steel cut gears vs. powder metal gears. Dig, ask, dig some more. Find the truth.

See the 22" tire sub-note.

Thanks!! I will look into that!

May 1, 2013#24

djdicetn

RatRacer said:
Don't give up on the ZT-2800. Get the part numbers off the actual units of your desired rig. ZT-2800 come in 3 flavors, and by my understanding and research, 2 of those flavors have steel cut gears vs. powder metal gears. Dig, ask, dig some more. Find the truth.

See the 22" tire sub-note.

RatRacer,
Good catch!!!!! That difference in the better gears plus the fact that the ZT-2800 is serviceable(has oil filter) confirms it is not purely Residential "grade" like the sealed EZT and will do the job when heavier duty(3100, 3400) is an overkill.

May 1, 2013#25

S

SCMCG

Just came from the Clipper dealer. Come to find out the guy who runs this dealership is a Shivvers-Shivvers Mnfg. builds these machines LOL! He obviously is very knowledgeable. He said the rep from Hydro Stat or whatever the company is called was in and did a "training" info deal and said that unless you are on a commercial machine and mowing long hours the 2800 unit is plenty rugged/tough enough for these heave residential ZT mowers. He basically said it is a waste of $$ to put the 3100 or bigger on them. I think I am sold on the CC just not sure if I will go with the joystick or the twin levers. The wife will have input on that decision.

May 2, 2013#26

S

SCMCG

DJ---- Do you have the nicer "suspension" seat on your Gravely? The upgrade on the Gravely ZTHD is about $250 for the suspension seat. The upgrade for the similar option on the Clipper is $500. After further consideration, I think as rough as my ground is the suspension seat would be probably more of an asset than the joystick or the flip up deck as much as I hate to admit it. The upgraded seat would put the Gravely at the identical price as the CC. Hmmm this is the hardest decision I have made in a long time LOL!

May 2, 2013#27

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
DJ---- Do you have the nicer "suspension" seat on your Gravely? The upgrade on the Gravely ZTHD is about $250 for the suspension seat. The upgrade for the similar option on the Clipper is $500. After further consideration, I think as rough as my ground is the suspension seat would be probably more of an asset than the joystick or the flip up deck as much as I hate to admit it. The upgraded seat would put the Gravely at the identical price as the CC. Hmmm this is the hardest decision I have made in a long time LOL!

Yep, my Pro-Turn XDZ100 comes standard with the full suspension seat and I love it. You have a dial on the front where you set your body weight and then adust the lumbar support. It's a nice ride and well worth $250(I don't know about $500). If you don't get a full suspension seat you'll probably kick yourself later. I hear ya about decisions. I ended up making "counter-offers" on a 2012 Bad Boy Outlaw, Dixon DX100 and Hustler FasTrak Super Duty but the Gravely dealer didn't hesitate for a minute to accept $1k less out-the-door than MSRP(plus taxes) and I never looked back. In hindsight I'm kinda glad I didn't get the Bad Boy, but would have probably been happy with the Hustler or Dixon(ALMOST made an offer on the Toro Z-Master 2000 Commercial too). I don't envy where you are at, decision-wise, a bit:0)

May 2, 2013#28

S

SCMCG

That's what I figured. I also looked at Badboy-(maybe it was the perdy lil' thing they have in their promo videoes LOL) but it really appealed until I dug deeper. Just not quite the same quality I don't think. 4 guys I work with, plus our dealership's owner all have Gravely's and love them to death. I have 3-4 guys I know with Clippers, who I trust, but not quite to the level I do the Gravely owners, and they love their CC's. I think it comes down to $$ and comfort and I am thinking the Gravely will probably win out. I really would like to add the Bigdog to the mix but there just isn't a dealer around to speak of. I also looked at the Simplicity and the suspension system looks great, but the rest of the machine just doesn't stack up.

May 2, 2013#29

S

SCMCG

Ok, I am looking at the new Kubota Kommander z100 series. I like the style it has, i.e. looks cool LOL. I like that it has the suspension seat standard. I like that it comes with LED headlights. I like the large rear tires and low center o gravity. I like that it has the 3100 series hydros. I like the deck height adjustment knob. I like the ROPS-although I wish it was foldable. I like the 4 year warranty. Really, the only thing that keeps it from being my 1st choice over the Gravely and Country Clipper is the Kohler engine. I also want to check into Exmark cuz they have a 2.99% for 72 months which would make me able to maybe "buy up" due to a cheaper payment.

May 3, 2013#30

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Ok, I am looking at the new Kubota Kommander z100 series. I like the style it has, i.e. looks cool LOL. I like that it has the suspension seat standard. I like that it comes with LED headlights. I like the large rear tires and low center o gravity. I like that it has the 3100 series hydros. I like the deck height adjustment knob. I like the ROPS-although I wish it was foldable. I like the 4 year warranty. Really, the only thing that keeps it from being my 1st choice over the Gravely and Country Clipper is the Kohler engine. I also want to check into Exmark cuz they have a 2.99% for 72 months which would make me able to maybe "buy up" due to a cheaper payment.

SCMCG,
OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong.....only the 48" Kommander(ZG123S) and 54" Kommander(ZG127S) come standard with the led headlights and suspension seat. And they have a deck adjustment "Knob"????(hand lever or foot assisted...I can't tell). I think if you compare apple models-to-apple models the ExMarks with those features/components will be significantly more $$$. I always emphasize that the different brand(model/series) comparisons take into account similar features/components, not just price. You can't compare the price of a Kommander(with ZT-3100 trannies) to a Hustler with ZT-2800 trannies and then see what your best deal is. Then again sometimes you give up comfort options like a suspension seat to get a different brand ZTR that's built better. It's a difficult shopping experience to say the least:0)

May 3, 2013#31

S

SCMCG

djdicetn said:
SCMCG,
OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong.....only the 48" Kommander(ZG123S) and 54" Kommander(ZG127S) come standard with the led headlights and suspension seat. And they have a deck adjustment "Knob"????(hand lever or foot assisted...I can't tell). I think if you compare apple models-to-apple models the ExMarks with those features/components will be significantly more $$$. I always emphasize that the different brand(model/series) comparisons take into account similar features/components, not just price. You can't compare the price of a Kommander(with ZT-3100 trannies) to a Hustler with ZT-2800 trannies and then see what your best deal is. Then again sometimes you give up comfort options like a suspension seat to get a different brand ZTR that's built better. It's a difficult shopping experience to say the least:0)

Yes. I referred to it as the Z100 cuz that is how it states on their website. The 54" z127 is what I am looking at. I have not really looked at Exmark, just know that it is kinda one of the top used commercials around here and I figured it would be pricey. But at the moment, my monthly payment is the most important aspect rather than "total cost of loan" because it will be paid for far in advance, just gotta wait til that ship comes in so-to-speak LOL. The knob is on the fender by the pto knob and it foot assisted. There is a nice 5 minute video on youtube that shows its features very well. The Kohler engine makes me somewhat leary however it seems these are built specifically for Kubota and are warranted by Kubota not Kohler. (if thats good or bad I don't know) The whole unit, however has a 4 year warranty where the others have 3 yrs, so that is worth something. Again, I have a great dealer/service center nearby so that is good. I dislike the non-foldable ROPS, but it appears to be not as tall as most so may not be a problem.

May 3, 2013#32

djdicetn

djdicetn said:
SCMCG,
OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong.....only the 48" Kommander(ZG123S) and 54" Kommander(ZG127S) come standard with the led headlights and suspension seat. And they have a deck adjustment "Knob"????(hand lever or foot assisted...I can't tell). I think if you compare apple models-to-apple models the ExMarks with those features/components will be significantly more $$$. I always emphasize that the different brand(model/series) comparisons take into account similar features/components, not just price. You can't compare the price of a Kommander(with ZT-3100 trannies) to a Hustler with ZT-2800 trannies and then see what your best deal is. Then again sometimes you give up comfort options like a suspension seat to get a different brand ZTR that's built better. It's a difficult shopping experience to say the least:0)

SCMCG,
OK, so no wonder I thought my reply to your post "got deleted by an Administrator". Youv'e got two separate threads going on with the same questions/topic. I was in the other one and wondered why my respose above was no longer there. Can I give some constructive criticism that "duplicate posts" make it very difficult for others to assist???

May 3, 2013#33

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Yes. I referred to it as the Z100 cuz that is how it states on their website. The 54" z127 is what I am looking at. I have not really looked at Exmark, just know that it is kinda one of the top used commercials around here and I figured it would be pricey. But at the moment, my monthly payment is the most important aspect rather than "total cost of loan" because it will be paid for far in advance, just gotta wait til that ship comes in so-to-speak LOL. The knob is on the fender by the pto knob and it foot assisted. There is a nice 5 minute video on youtube that shows its features very well. The Kohler engine makes me somewhat leary however it seems these are built specifically for Kubota and are warranted by Kubota not Kohler. (if thats good or bad I don't know) The whole unit, however has a 4 year warranty where the others have 3 yrs, so that is worth something. Again, I have a great dealer/service center nearby so that is good. I dislike the non-foldable ROPS, but it appears to be not as tall as most so may not be a problem.

SCMCG,
Well, you are getting into the price range where other ZTR's may need to be considered. I was impressed with the Commercial Toro Z-Master 2000 series(that has a ZT-3400 tranny, a 4Year/500 hour Warranty and Lifetime Frame Warranty..and foldable ROPS) which I could have gotten into a 52" for $6,100. The Titan MX5480(for a Residential) was very comparable to the Kubota and I was quoted $5300 last fall on that one(I think the Kubota website compares the ZG100 to the Titan ZX series). The Titan MX's have a 3Year/400 Hour & Lifetime Frame Warranty. Choices.....choices....choices, right:0)

May 3, 2013#34

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SCMCG

djdicetn said:
SCMCG,
Well, you are getting into the price range where other ZTR's may need to be considered. I was impressed with the Commercial Toro Z-Master 2000 series(that has a ZT-3400 tranny, a 4Year/500 hour Warranty and Lifetime Frame Warranty..and foldable ROPS) which I could have gotten into a 52" for $6,100. The Titan MX5480(for a Residential) was very comparable to the Kubota and I was quoted $5300 last fall on that one(I think the Kubota website compares the ZG100 to the Titan ZX series). The Titan MX's have a 3Year/400 Hour & Lifetime Frame Warranty. Choices.....choices....choices, right:0)

That Toro zmaster2000 looks nice-no suspension seat, aluminum spindles are negatives, but looks nice. My Clipper dealer also sells Toro, and they share some similarities including the "bullnose" deck. Have to wonder whether Shivvers may be building some parts on the Toro line.

... I am becoming a little irritated that some brands don't have pricing on their websites-or I can't see it anywhere anyway. When I can't get an idea what the price may be, it tends to make me remove that item on my list LOL.

May 4, 2013#35

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SCMCG

I am adding the Toro to my list to go check out after some digging online it looks every bit as good as these others. I really need to find pricing on the zmaster2000 and if a suspension seat upgrade is available for it.

May 4, 2013#36

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SCMCG

Made a call on spur of the moment after seeing an add for a Gravely "sale". The dealer is in a town about 35 miles away so not bad, and he sells Gravely, Walker, Husky, and Country Clipper LOL! He was very personable, and seemed very knowledgable. Been in business since 79' and he really likes the Husky MZ5225 and said he thinks I will too. Gonna pay him a visit next week.

May 4, 2013#37

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Made a call on spur of the moment after seeing an add for a Gravely "sale". The dealer is in a town about 35 miles away so not bad, and he sells Gravely, Walker, Husky, and Country Clipper LOL! He was very personable, and seemed very knowledgable. Been in business since 79' and he really likes the Husky MZ5225 and said he thinks I will too. Gonna pay him a visit next week.

SCMCG,
Make him show you the Husqvarna M-ZT 52 for comparison to the MX5225. I think you will see the difference in the two!!! On the Toro seats, they are pretty confusing(the website even confused user Ric who owns a Toro Grandstand). I can't specifically recall the seat of the Z-Master 2000, but the brochure I have states "Custom Two-Toned Seat". The 3000series has "Premium Bolstered Seat", the 5000 series "Two-Toned Premium Bolstered Seat with 3-D Isolation Mounts"(same for the 6000 Series). I think the "3D Isolation Mounts" MAY indicate full suspension, but even the cheaper Toro Titan MX Residential series shows "Toro Custom Bolstered with Full 3-D Isolation". You will have to get a Toro dealer to straighten out all that Toro lingo to a "full suspension is" terminology:0)

May 4, 2013#38

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SCMCG

djdicetn said:
SCMCG,
Make him show you the Husqvarna M-ZT 52 for comparison to the MX5225. I think you will see the difference in the two!!! On the Toro seats, they are pretty confusing(the website even confused user Ric who owns a Toro Grandstand). I can't specifically recall the seat of the Z-Master 2000, but the brochure I have states "Custom Two-Toned Seat". The 3000series has "Premium Bolstered Seat", the 5000 series "Two-Toned Premium Bolstered Seat with 3-D Isolation Mounts"(same for the 6000 Series). I think the "3D Isolation Mounts" MAY indicate full suspension, but even the cheaper Toro Titan MX Residential series shows "Toro Custom Bolstered with Full 3-D Isolation". You will have to get a Toro dealer to straighten out all that Toro lingo to a "full suspension is" terminology:0)

The only difference I see is the M-ZT has ROPS and 3400 hydros, and maybe a little nicer seat, or am I missing something?

May 4, 2013#39

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SCMCG

How important is the front caster tire size to ride quality? I assume a bigger wheel/tire will ride smoother? That could be a drawback on the Kubota as it has smaller front wheels.

May 5, 2013#40

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
The only difference I see is the M-ZT has ROPS and 3400 hydros, and maybe a little nicer seat, or am I missing something?

SCMCG,
Also the spindles are upgraded to cast iron versus aluminum and the engine to the B & S Endurance Commercial 28hp/810cc versus the Kohler Courage 25hp/725cc as well as the 12" rear drive wheels versus the 10". All in all, very well worth $800 for the upgrades you mentioned and I mentioned(plys rated as Commercial versus Residential). It's your money I'm just teeling you my perspective(and I lean towards entry-level Commercial ZTR's. When you get into the $5500-$6000 price range thaere are a whole bunch of solid machines that will most likely last you a lifetime if maintained. When I'm spending several thousand dollars, personally I don't want something that will be giving me problems 5-10 years down the road. Below is a link where you can compare the two Husqvarna's side-by-side.

Zero Turn Mowers - Comparison Chart | Husqvarna

May 5, 2013#41

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SCMCG

djdicetn said:
SCMCG,
Also the spindles are upgraded to cast iron versus aluminum and the engine to the B & S Endurance Commercial 28hp/810cc versus the Kohler Courage 25hp/725cc as well as the 12" rear drive wheels versus the 10". All in all, very well worth $800 for the upgrades you mentioned and I mentioned(plys rated as Commercial versus Residential). It's your money I'm just teeling you my perspective(and I lean towards entry-level Commercial ZTR's. When you get into the $5500-$6000 price range thaere are a whole bunch of solid machines that will most likely last you a lifetime if maintained. When I'm spending several thousand dollars, personally I don't want something that will be giving me problems 5-10 years down the road. Below is a link where you can compare the two Husqvarna's side-by-side.

Zero Turn Mowers - Comparison Chart | Husqvarna

Ok I see now. After talking with a commercial guy I know, the aluminum spindles don't scare me at all with my usage. Also, while I do like the Kawasaki engines, I am pretty confident that with excellent maintenance, any of these engines will do me just fine. My wife is really putting the crunch on me on this deal, so $800 savings would be substantial should I feel like the MZ5220 would serve me well enough. If it weren't for the dinky caster wheels/tires on the new Kubota, I would most likely go that route just simply due to the 4 yr warranty on the whole machine. But I think those small wheels will be extremely rough riding on my yard as my ather-in-law has a home depot cub cadet ZT and it is a very rough ride. While I don't want to settle, I also don't want to spend any more than is necessary right now I guess.

May 6, 2013#42

fry

..forgive me for having to ask, but are castor wheels the wheels on the cutting deck?
If so, can the Kubota Kommanders be changed out to bigger ones?
I'm going Saturday to look at some more mowers, including the Kubota Kommander....the 124 model.
To be honest I'm getting a bit overwhelmed on all this. Every time I do some research I learn about more different makers.
For example, the BOBCAT, the ZBeast, my friend has a M&R - I've never heard of them...and I Stanley mower - this list grows and grows!

If I had to pick today, it would be a Kubota Kommander the 124 model.....but I made a cutoff date of May 31st to decide.
I want a 48" cut. My ground is basicially level. I don't have "golf course" type grass - do have weeds and such, especially around the horse pasture.
I plan to mow on the outside of the horse pasture. I don't want to go over 5,000....but I want something to last a LONG time.
My brother is wanting one too.....so i'm asking places if they offer any kind of discount for buying two.

Deciding on a mower is a lot of work

REally, really appreciate everyones feedback.

May 6, 2013#43

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SCMCG

fry said:
..forgive me for having to ask, but are castor wheels the wheels on the cutting deck?
If so, can the Kubota Kommanders be changed out to bigger ones?
I'm going Saturday to look at some more mowers, including the Kubota Kommander....the 124 model.
To be honest I'm getting a bit overwhelmed on all this. Every time I do some research I learn about more different makers.
For example, the BOBCAT, the ZBeast, my friend has a M&R - I've never heard of them...and I Stanley mower - this list grows and grows!

If I had to pick today, it would be a Kubota Kommander the 124 model.....but I made a cutoff date of May 31st to decide.
I want a 48" cut. My ground is basicially level. I don't have "golf course" type grass - do have weeds and such, especially around the horse pasture.
I plan to mow on the outside of the horse pasture. I don't want to go over 5,000....but I want something to last a LONG time.
My brother is wanting one too.....so i'm asking places if they offer any kind of discount for buying two.
Deciding on a mower is a lot of work
REally, really appreciate everyones feedback.

Yes, they are the wheels out front of the deck.

May 6, 2013#44

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SCMCG

I don't think you could change to bigger caster wheels without changing the whole fork, which I am not sure could be done. I would look at the Husqvarna MZ5225 if you have a dealer close, also the Gravely ZTHD48 would be a great choice.

May 6, 2013#45

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SCMCG

Meanwhile, I may have just stumbled on a deal I can't refuse. Another neighbor, and my daughters dance coach, are getting divorced and last year bought a new Gravely ZTHD60. They are selling it and he told me he will sell it to me for 4700 and I can make the payments directly to him! It has the suspension seat and a hitch on it and I think he said less than 50 hours. I really don't want that big of deck, but for the price I can't hardly refuse it.

May 6, 2013#46

djdicetn

SCMCG said:
Meanwhile, I may have just stumbled on a deal I can't refuse. Another neighbor, and my daughters dance coach, are getting divorced and last year bought a new Gravely ZTHD60. They are selling it and he told me he will sell it to me for 4700 and I can make the payments directly to him! It has the suspension seat and a hitch on it and I think he said less than 50 hours. I really don't want that big of deck, but for the price I can't hardly refuse it.

SCMCG,
For $4,700 and 50hours you won't find a better deal($5,199 MSRP plus taxes) than that. Can you get the 60" deck in your garage? I had a 54" lawn tractor and went to a 52" ZTR. The lt fit fine in my garage, but the 52" ZTR is a "tight fit".

May 6, 2013#47

djdicetn

fry said:
..forgive me for having to ask, but are castor wheels the wheels on the cutting deck?
If so, can the Kubota Kommanders be changed out to bigger ones?
I'm going Saturday to look at some more mowers, including the Kubota Kommander....the 124 model.
To be honest I'm getting a bit overwhelmed on all this. Every time I do some research I learn about more different makers.
For example, the BOBCAT, the ZBeast, my friend has a M&R - I've never heard of them...and I Stanley mower - this list grows and grows!

If I had to pick today, it would be a Kubota Kommander the 124 model.....but I made a cutoff date of May 31st to decide.
I want a 48" cut. My ground is basicially level. I don't have "golf course" type grass - do have weeds and such, especially around the horse pasture.
I plan to mow on the outside of the horse pasture. I don't want to go over 5,000....but I want something to last a LONG time.
My brother is wanting one too.....so i'm asking places if they offer any kind of discount for buying two.
Deciding on a mower is a lot of work
REally, really appreciate everyones feedback.

fry,
The wheels "on" the deck are called anti-scalp wheels and the castor wheels ar the mower's front wheels(on the front frame forks like mentioned).

May 6, 2013#48

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SCMCG

djdicetn said:
SCMCG,
For $4,700 and 50hours you won't find a better deal($5,199 MSRP plus taxes) than that. Can you get the 60" deck in your garage? I had a 54" lawn tractor and went to a 52" ZTR. The lt fit fine in my garage, but the 52" ZTR is a "tight fit".

I have a 3 1/2 car garage, and plan to build another utility shed this summer so room wont be an issue. I am thinking it is as good a deal as I am gonna find, but the wife says she still wants to check em all out and she may throw a wrench in it all LOL!

May 6, 2013#49

jekjr

djdicetn said:
fry,
The wheels "on" the deck are called anti-scalp wheels and the castor wheels ar the mower's front wheels(on the front frame forks like mentioned).

My ZD326 has castor type anti scalp wheels on it as well.

May 10, 2013#50

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bill1631

Hi,
I have a 2009 Country Clipper 60" Boss with the 26hp Kaw engine and I love it. The 26 horse is more powerful that I originally thought it would be and will power at speed through all but high wet grass. It also has the joy stick steering and tilt deck. I made some alterations to it though. I added semi pneumatic Reliance castor tires because of constantly having slow leaks and flats. My property has brambles here and there. I can't tell the difference in the ride with the semi solid tires and am well satisfied with them. NO more flats. I also removed the two pully guards on the deck. Drilled 4 holes in the bottom corners of each, and bolted 4 @ 5/8" magnets from K&J Magnetics to each. I then installed 2 allen socket headless bolts to each side in the original deck holes and left 1/2" protruding to center the guards on. Now I can remove the guards and blow off or wash the deck with ease. The guards do stay put when mowing. No slip and slide. I also connect a $20 automatic trickle charger to the battery every winter. All in all I think I made a good purchase. Starts first time every time, is easy to change blades and clean with the tilting deck, and looks good. No drink holder though.
Bill - Retired in Northwest Indiana

May 10, 2013#51

RatRacer

bill1631 said:
Hi,
I have a 2009 Country Clipper 60" Boss with the 26hp Kaw engine and I love it. The 26 horse is more powerful that I originally thought it would be and will power at speed through all but high wet grass. It also has the joy stick steering and tilt deck. I made some alterations to it though. I added semi pneumatic Reliance castor tires because of constantly having slow leaks and flats. My property has brambles here and there. I can't tell the difference in the ride with the semi solid tires and am well satisfied with them. NO more flats. I also removed the two pully guards on the deck. Drilled 4 holes in the bottom corners of each, and bolted 4 @ 5/8" magnets from K&J Magnetics to each. I then installed 2 allen socket headless bolts to each side in the original deck holes and left 1/2" protruding to center the guards on. Now I can remove the guards and blow off or wash the deck with ease. The guards do stay put when mowing. No slip and slide. I also connect a $20 automatic trickle charger to the battery every winter. All in all I think I made a good purchase. Starts first time every time, is easy to change blades and clean with the tilting deck, and looks good. No drink holder though.
Bill - Retired in Northwest Indiana

Welcome Bill:thumbsup:

May 28, 2013#52

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SCMCG

Well, LOL, I think I have decided. I am going tomorrow to try and hash out the deal on a Country Clipper Jazee Pro DLX. It has the kohler Command Pro 27HP with the commercial cylindrical air cleaner system, a 60" deck, and a very, VERY plush seat and armrests. They tell me this seat is a $600 upgrade. It has the ZT3100 trannies, and is the twin stick not the joystick. It sits very low and has a very wide track. Everyone has said it is very stable on slopes thanks to this stance and low center o garvity. The drawback is it only has a 2 year warranty-(3 year on deck frame, and spindles) but the positives in the end outweigh that. The more I thought about it, I started thinking what was the biggest hassle all these years IMO while using/maintaining my garden tractor, and I decided it was laying on the ground trying to clean underneath my deck. Also being made an hour away is a plus as well as having a great dealer 15 minutes away. I told them today where I was $$-wise, and he told me he thinks he can get me there-which is about $1400 less than msrp. So should he hit the right number I will most likely pull the trigger. I will post pictures but not sure how. Do I need to upload them to something like photobucket 1st like a lotta other message boards?

May 28, 2013#53

RatRacer

SCMCG said:
Well, LOL, I think I have decided. I will post pictures but not sure how. Do I need to upload them to something like photobucket 1st like a lotta other message boards?

Good bargaining luck sir. This stuff is all about personal decisions that fit each individuals desire and situation anyways.
Posting pics? PM me, and I'll walk you through the multitude of ways to get them up here.

May 29, 2013#54

txzrider

I hope you get it... serviceing the deck is exactly why I bought my country clipper...

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