I own a 600z Ferris and really enjoy it. Would you be getting the kawasaki or vanguard on that 700z? Both very good engines. Snapper is made by Ferris also so the Pro line is the same mower without suspension. Parent company of both is B&S. I really like that Dixon DX161 what is the exact pricing on that?My old toro 17-52z died. So here is my current short list for a zero turn under 6500. Ferris 700z. Snapper pro s125 Snapper pro s200 Dixon ultra 61 Dixon dx161 All 61" cuts
My old toro 17-52z died. So here is my current short list for a zero turn under 6500.
Ferris 700z.
Snapper pro s125
Snapper pro s200
Dixon ultra 61
Dixon dx161
All 61" cuts
I agree... price on s200xt is awesome.Where can you get a s200xt for under 6500? That is a great price. Jump on that one.
I own a 600z Ferris and really enjoy it. Would you be getting the kawasaki or vanguard on that 700z? Both very good engines. Snapper is made by Ferris also so the Pro line is the same mower without suspension. Parent company of both is B&S. I really like that Dixon DX161 what is the exact pricing on that?
Not sold on the commercial turf. It is a variant of the not so popular Intek engine. It was introduced this year. I can recommend the the B&S Vanguard/Big block or Kawasaki. Just so everyone knows I am not knocking B&S because I had a Vanguard for 26 years on my other mower. The dealer was pushing me to get the B&S Comm turf on my Ferris but I didn't wanna be the guinea pig. He says they fixed all the issues...they may have but I'm very cautious when it comes to that stuff.S 200xt on sale for $6075 but they are about 350 miles away. Briggs commercial turf 27hp. Do you recommend against that engine. I won't be using the machine commercially. Just mowing my 5 acres.
S 200xt on sale for $6075 but they are about 350 miles away. Briggs commercial turf 27hp.
Do you recommend against that engine. I won't be using the machine commercially. Just mowing my 5 acres.
S 200xt on sale for $6075 but they are about 350 miles away. Briggs commercial turf 27hp.
Do you recommend against that engine. I won't be using the machine commercially. Just mowing my 5 acres.
The units I am looking at are 2013 closeouts. Will this be the mode year the problems were had with the turf engine.
The units I am looking at are 2013 closeouts. Will this be the mode year the problems were had with the turf engine.
That is an unbelievable price for a s200xt, but I'm with the others on this one. Not sold on the commercial turf engine. It is supposedly a commercial grade engine and will have a Donaldson air filter, but I wasn't a fan of the intek. For that price it may be worth giving it a shot though. It should mow your 5 acres I two hours or less. My dad can mow 9 in 3.5 hours with his and that's driving it a half mile down the road. I would see if you could get the vanguard or the Kawi for under 7000 before I purchased if it were me.
So after thinking about it a little more....do you think the OP's getting such a deal on the s200xt because it is a 2013(will be two years old in 4 months or so when the 2015's come in to the dealerships). If I were a dealer I would be "embarrassed" to still have those kind of 2013 ZTR's in stock and were unable to sell them this close to the 2015's arriving!!!
Matters not to me. I just bought a 2012 Ferris is 1500ZXKAW2352 with only 19.1 hours on it. I still have 2 months on the warranty. What a mower!! I paid 4800 for mower and a 12 x 7 trailer.
Shughes when you gonna sell that Snapper and buy a 2100z lolI remember that. That was an amazing deal as well. As I told you earlier I am jealous of that one. You can turn around and sell the mower alone for at least 5000 and still have the trailer, but if you are like me you didn't buy a mower to sell it in a year or two. I wanted a mower that would last me 20 years. By the way, how do you like the cut of the icd deck pcclipper? P.s. Your mower and mine are the same. Mine just doesn't have that suspension. You may have the larger deck though.
Shughes when you gonna sell that Snapper and buy a 2100z lol
Anyway OP tell us what you end up buying
Decided i really don't want to travel hours away, so keeping my search more local.
Today I stopped by my neighborhood Ferris Dealer. He has a 700z Turf for $7000, which he doesn't recommend for my 5 acre lot. He wants to sell me a 2100 Vanguard for $8200.
Both being out of my price range. I left a message for the Snapper Pro area dealer, hopefully he returns my call.
Local Dixon dealer is advertising a 61" Commercial Mower for $5699, showing a picture of the dx161. I have to call and see if they are trick selling the ultra.
Let you guys know.
Got better results calling places today.
Dixon dx161 $52699th Koehler
Snapper pro s125 $5199 fs kaw
Snapper pro s200 $6440 turf
Bad boy czt60. $5874. ? Engine
That's a great price in the 125 I think and shouldn't it have the better deck then the Dixon?
Don't know much about bad boy. The 200 snapper is one tough machine.
Hard to decide
When I looked at Dixons in 2012 the DX161 only came with the Briggs Commercial Turf or the Kawasaki FX....the Ultra 61 came with the Kohler Courage. You may want to get some clarification on the engine and make sure it's a DX100, not an Ultra(the price seems awfully cheap for a DX100). The Kohler Courage is a big turn off!! IMHO, I would pick (1)Snapper Pro S125, (2)Dixon DX161(if it comes with the Kawa), (3)Snapper Pro S200 and (4)Bad Boy CZT60.Got better results calling places today.
Dixon dx161 $52699th Koehler
Snapper pro s125 $5199 fs kaw
Snapper pro s200 $6440 turf
Bad boy czt60. $5874. ? Engine
That's a great price in the 125 I think and shouldn't it have the better deck then the Dixon?
Don't know much about bad boy. The 200 snapper is one tough machine.
Hard to decide
Your were right. The dx161 comes with the Briggs and stratton
Sure wish it had the Kawa.....I'm not a big B & S fan:0(
Since I am down to snappers, I will re-post this to their dedicated forum.
Went and met the Snapper Dealer and test drove the 2 units. And I have for sure decided its between the 2 Snappers.
s125 Kaw - $5100
s200 BS Turf - $6440
Tests drive I noticed how much more comfortable the premium seat is on the s200, and you can add the suspension plate for $200 if you want. I felt like the sound of the Kawasaki on the s125 was more pleasant, and for some reason the s125 felt more responsive with its steering. Is this just me, or the torque of the Kawasaki or maybe the 3400 are 'quicker'..... I don't know. Probably just me liking the Kawasaki!
So I am in Limbo between the two models. Both are going to mow my yard in the same time frame, and both will hold up to my 5 acre lot without issues.
Price of better seat on s125 - $350 aftermarket i think. You can a a full under seat mount suspension to s200 seat for $200, but its seat seemed pretty comfortable already.
Whats the input, Should I get less mower and great engine at a great price?
or, get a powerhouse mower with a hopefully not underpowered Briggs Engine that could have issues?
Looking forward to your input!
Rick
Don't forget to get the suspension seat though. I can tell you from experience it makes a difference. Dad has it, and I don't.
Does your dad have the premium grey/red seat with the suspension insert, or the black suspension seat?
His is the s200xt so it is the premium grey seat with the suspension insert. Mine is the black seat. I will be getting the insert before next season. I found a post about the commercial turf engine on the gravely thread. I put it on the snapper thread. It sounds like b&s did make several improvements on their engine.
Thank you so much for your help! I am at ease on the engine at least from seeing the improvements documented there! Also your statement that the 27hp wouldn't be underpowered at all. And, knowing the suspension seat options for both units. So All I have to decide is if the extra features worth the extra dimes. But note, this B&G model is somewhat stripped of some of the 200 lines features. I believe the flat free front tires, and the dual gas tanks are not standard. Maybe some kind of cushioned bearing on the lever arms?, not sure what else.
I tried to stop by the dealer today but ran out of time this morning. I think I am going with s200xt. Because it comes with the premium seat that is easily upgraded for 200 dollars to full suspension. And also the bigger tires should help traction on the slopes. Plus everything else is one step more hd then the 125 for nit much more dime
But haven't pulled any trigger yet. I was going to drive that s 125 one more time to be sure
Ya. I super excited, I have followed the zero turns for a couple years. Snapper pros just always hit the sweet spot for me. I have a friend who's just started a lawn business with a skag. He hates that I a buying snapper, he is all about brand names skag, dixie, bad boy, husquana.... ect. Though I do feel bad for my neighbor who brought a mtd zero turn last fall. He mows 2acres way too short, 2 inches maybe, and it's all clumpy and streaking. He has nothing but trouble with his deck coming loose and his engine, kohler courage 27, not wanting to start. My engine, briggs turf 27, is my only gamble. I could have went down a spec on the drivetrain and got a Kawasaki. But I am good with all the knowledge I received here and other places about the briggs being built pretty good. I will for sure take extra special care of it. She gets delivered tomorrow around 10. Should get her first mow Saturday or Sunday. And it will be a tough task with no mow for 3 or 4 weeks a
I would think snapper would be a lot higher on the list then badboy.
Snapper was making one of the best mowers many many years before badboy came along.
I have a 1998 snapper pro and still use it over my newer mowers.
It's just amazing how marketing can influence the general public. Advertising creates buzz words and theories that just don't apply to real world situations. I did my my homework and decided on snapper pro, of course my local dealer seems awesome and anything less would have influenced me greatly.
Max actually rolls his eyes when I mention snapper to him. Today he tried to change my mind to buy a 2007 dixie chopper eagle lt2300 50" for 3800. Telling me it's a great deal on a dixie because they are the fastest mowers in the world. Again.... Marketing.
Got the s200xt delivered today. Mowed a small section and took a trip around the yard. Going to have to get used to the speed and size and controls over time. I would take a picture but you all know what they look like.
Only small gripe is the dealer just gave me any old s200 manual and it doesn't match my actual model and the engine manual doesn't match either.
Got the s200xt delivered today. Mowed a small section and took a trip around the yard. Going to have to get used to the speed and size and controls over time. I would take a picture but you all know what they look like.
Only small gripe is the dealer just gave me any old s200 manual and it doesn't match my actual model and the engine manual doesn't match either.
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A pic of my new mower. My family thinks i spent too much, but they can have fun mowing with their Craftsman tractors..... lol
Got the s200xt delivered today. Mowed a small section and took a trip around the yard. Going to have to get used to the speed and size and controls over time. I would take a picture but you all know what they look like. Only small gripe is the dealer just gave me any old s200 manual and it doesn't match my actual model and the engine manual doesn't match either.
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A pic of my new mower. My family thinks i spent too much, but they can have fun mowing with their Craftsman tractors..... lol
That's some serious reinforcement up at the caster tires!
This thing is a tank. From the frame to the tires with all the heavy duty connecting rods and ball joints and bearings. A beast for the price. Last Minute I came across a Dixon dx260 for just 500 more dollars. The dixon came with a Kawasaki engine which I liked. But this Snapper Pro's build quality is second to none in this price range.
Of course, loved my dealer. But since the sale they haven't answered any of my emails or returned any of my calls. I know its fair season and they are busy with that. But time will tell if my dealers just was all talk to get the sale or not.
Rick
That's messed up if they are truly done talking to you...very hard to find a good dealer these days. Mine takes about 2 calls before they do what I ask during peak season.I hope to mow this evening if my wife gets home rom her hair dresser in time. I tried calling and emailing the dealer to get the insert and trailer hitch ordered. But they stopped communication after the sale.
Was able to use my mower tonight. I was very impressed with the power of the engine and capacity handling of the deck. Knowing I got the smaller engine option I went in skeptical, but only in the heaviest of grass did I notice any issues. And I haven't mowed my yard In over 4 weeks, so some areas were super thick.
I didn't time myself directly, but the hour meter says 1.4 hours now. My previous best was 2 1/4 hours. So I am going to be saving a lot of time, because today I slowed down over the high grass areas.
Grass clippings are somewhat clumpy, but like I said I was making hay out there. The cut looks amazing otherwise, but no evidence of a striping kit at all. I mowed at 3 1/4, which my old mower would have crapped out at. I checked my deck level ness before I mowed and it was almost perfectly level without any pitch, maybe a 1/16 down in the rear.
The controls are a lot stiffer then my old worn out toro, but much more responsive. I found the seat very comfortable and my feet are supported nicely to support myself when things get rough. I will be getting the insert, mind as we'll have the best ride possible! That is if I can find a dealer to sell me the items, hard to find online. The deck really discharges the grass quickly and lays down a carpet like cut. My dogs like to carry small tree limbs and such around the yard and mowed over a few of these such items. Shot these items out like a rocket, even with the chute down.
Afterwards I got out the leaf blower to get all the tall grass clipping off the top,of the deck. They all blew off nicely except for around the outside spindle next to the discharge chute. The mounting hardware for the chute didn't allow me to get in there and clean it out, I had to dig in with my hands and got most of it. If this issue remained I might remove the safety cover from that spindle.
Overall grade.... "A"
Mowed a under a demanding condition with ultimate success!
Probably just have to show up at the dealer in person and see why thy ditched me. I used to mow at 3.5 before because it's all the power I really had, and noticed more striping from the vacuum alone then I have now. What type of oil is the general census for being best in our mowers? I am leaning towards using sae 30 Dino oil. It's done we well in the past. But, I have switched to synthetic in my autos, so debating on mower. But they don't make plain 30 wieght in synthetic.
The oil debate gets nasty on here so be warned. You do whatever works best for you is all I can say lol
Ya. Both spindle covers have a small opening on the outside edge. I was able to blow the one side clean
, the the discharge side gave me trouble. I will try propping up the chute next time.
Thanks.
Now that shughes said it first he'll be the one they go after lol. I also use 5w 30 synthetic in my mower based on what the dealer says he uses on all Kawasaki motors he services.Totally agree with that post. Many different opinions about that one. Whatever works best for you. I use 5w 30 synthetic and have had no issues. Haven't thought about it, but slowing down May help with the striping. I run as fast as I can and get some stripes, but it would probably do better if I ran at a slower speed. I just can't help myself. I enjoy getting on a long straight away and letting it eat. Try to better my time every time I mow.
Now that shughes said it first he'll be the one they go after lol. I also use 5w 30 synthetic in my mower based on what the dealer says he uses on all Kawasaki motors he services.
Left rear drive has a very slow leak. Upon testing with soapy water I foind a pin hole in the inner sidewall. Called service dept and they have to order me in a new tire. Thwy didn't have any a of my turf saver type on the floor it had to be ordered
The premium seat suspension insert. Looks like its part by K & M 6081.
I haven't seen the insert in person but online looks identical on pics. And can find it under 160 shipped.
Anyone verify this part number works with my s200xt model 5901280.
Installed the K&M 6081 today. Direct fit on my s200xt with premium seat and glider. Probably added a couple inches highg of the seat. Used exciting and some hardware from the kit. Takes so,e common sense to install. I figure if you order the snapper brand it would come with more precise instructions. Now to mow and see how it does.
So far love my mower, great looking yard compared to before. Only con is more fuel then then my old wimpy zero turn and louder by far. I hear a lot of rattling while mowing, culprits seem to be rops bar folded down, deck chains, and deck shoot whiles going over bumpy terrain.
Suspension seat a true success. Meets expectations and above really canr believe how much is smoothed out ny ride. My back isn't even stiff after hours of mowing.
Should be standard feature on all faster zero turns.