Enlighten an Idiot Please

[Ariena]

I've never had any experience with Lawnboy. I don't understand why they have 2 cycle and 4 cycle mowers. Is it an EPA issue? Also, I might as well reveal how ignorant I am regarding Lawnboy, but what are the models with the orange gas tank? I've been wanting to ask these things for some time so thank you all for your responses. I might be able to sleep tonight!

 

[midnite rider]

I've never had any experience with Lawnboy. I don't understand why they have 2 cycle and 4 cycle mowers. Is it an EPA issue? Also, I might as well reveal how ignorant I am regarding Lawnboy, but what are the models with the orange gas tank? I've been wanting to ask these things for some time so thank you all for your responses. I might be able to sleep tonight!

To answer your first question on why they have 2-cycle and 4-cycle mowers we need to understand how each are different and the advantages of each. The following article I copied from Mr Everett Snyder of Pro tools review explains it pretty well.


With the advent of newer trimmer and lawn products that include 4-cycle engines, we are often asked whether these products are better than their 2-cycle counterparts (literally: "Which is better, 2-stroke or 4-stroke?") The answer may be simpler than you think, but first it's important to understand the differences between the two technologies. Each have their strengths, though we wouldn't consider them fairly matched - at least not for the purposes of portable lawn care products.

2-cycle (sometimes referred to as 2-stroke) engines are typically thought of as those motors which accept a pre-mixed gas-oil mixture. This mixture, which can range from 50:1 to 20:1 depending on the motor, both supplies fuel and lubrication to the motor during operation. 4-cycle (sometimes referred to as 4-stroke) engines are more akin to what you will find in your car. 4-stroke motors also have a crankcase and an oil distribution system which keeps the oil separate from the gas as it lubricates the engine components. Since the oil is separate, it also needs to be periodically changed typically after every 25 hours of use. Four cycle engines use the same gas you buy for your vehicle and can contain up to 10% ethanol (you should not use E85 gas as it is not compatible with either 2-cycle or 4-cycle motors commonly found in small lawn trimmers and cutting machines).

How They Work

There is a marked difference in how a 2-cycle and 4-cycle motor operates. A 4-cycle engine works, as you might expect, in four stages. There is the power (down) stroke, the exhaust (up) stroke, the intake (down again) stroke, and the compression (up again) stroke. It takes two full revolutions of the crankshaft to deliver these four strokes. It's the power stroke which sends the piston through each of the three remaining stages.

A 2-cycle engine literally has just two cycles that combine the above duties. The first stroke is the combination power and exhaust stroke and the second combines the compression and intake stroke. Both power and combustion happen as the piston reaches to top of its stroke. At the bottom, the exhaust and intake occur. It takes just a single revolution to generate two strokes and propel the piston through its full cycle.

More Parts = More to Break

Four-cycle engines have a lot more moving parts. They have a crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, valves, lifters and of course the piston. A two-cycle engine really has only three major moving parts. This includes the crankshaft, connecting rod and the piston. In small size two cycle engines there are no cams, lifters or valves. As a general rule, less parts equals less potential for failure and easier maintenance. Overall, the 2-cycle engine is typically smaller in displacement and size as compared a 4-cycle which, many times, is almost double the displacement and overall size to achieve the same power. The reason for this is because since the 2-cycle combines two functions in one rotation, it makes the power twice as quickly as a 4-stroke.

Pros and Cons OK, Let's Get Serious Here

From the description so-far you might think that 2-cycle has the complete domination over 4-cycle... Well in small marine applications and home lawn care it probably does. The fact is, 4-cycle only has a few advantages: greater potential torque, higher fuel economy, and better emissions. With that said, let's look at a list of pros and cons for both 2-cycle and 4-cycle and lay out the case for each:

Parts 2-cycle ADVANTAGE
4-cycle More moving parts
Maintenance 2-cycle ADVANTAGE
4-cycle Must change oil
Storage 2-cycle ADVANTAGE
4-cycle Must keep level
Vibration 2-cycle ADVANTAGE
4-cycle Higher vibration
Fuel Economy 2-cycle Less efficient
4-cycle ADVANTAGE
Emissions 2-cycle Burns oil
4-cycle ADVANTAGE
Torque 2-cycle Less potential
4-cycle ADVANTAGE
Starting 2-cycle ADVANTAGE
4-cycle Much harder to start
Weight 2-cycle ADVANTAGE
4-cycle More parts = more weight

As you can see there are definitely a couple of advantages to owning a 4-cycle motor for a trimmer or other lawn care application, but for the most part there is a reason 2-cycle motors are currently king. They are simply reliable, have less to break and are much easier to start and use. For high torque considerations, 4-cycle may indeed be the way to go, but for the most part we recommend sticking with the tried and true 2-cycle models the pros do!

The bad news is, with the current environmentalist mania driving our government right now, it is likely that stricter emissions rules may eventually phase out 2-cycle engines. When this happens we hope manufacturers can improve 4-cycle technology and deliver products that perform as conveniently and easily as their 2-cycle counterparts.

Now regarding the models with the orange gas tank I will leave that up to someone else to answer.:biggrin:

 

[Ariena]

Thanks M.R.

 

[RobertBrown]

Concise yet comprehensive
I think the vibration comment could be disputed. The harmonics are very different as the 2 cycle has a high frequency and may seem to vibrate less, but I suppose it depends on how you measure such things

 

[Two-Stroke]

The orange gas tanks (which were also larger than standard) were installed on Lawn-Boy commercial series mowers. There were fewer of those made so they're more valuable.

In midnite rider's post, his source mentioned that two-strokes engines are lighter. That's a pretty big deal sometimes if it's a piece of equipment that you're either carrying of moving around a lot on uneven terrain.

Something that I don't think has been mentioned is that a two-stroke can operate very well in non-level orientation. For example, if you do a lot of mowing on sloped terrain with a four-stroke, the engine will burn out pretty quickly since the oil tends to go to one side and some of the bearings, etc will run dry (that's bad ). A two-stroke doesn't have that problem since the oil is delivered (pressurized) with the gasoline -- this helps the engine last longer.

I hope you haven't lost any sleep over this. :laughing:

 

[Ariena]

Thanks fellas.
I think I'll start taking a second look at those orange tanks.

 

[SeniorCitizen]

I have a 2 stroke Lawn Boy with an orange tank that is a standard size tank and nothing about it looks commercial to me. Don't have the numbers handy and I ain't going in the barn until October:biggrin:when the temperature is below 90.

 

[SeniorCitizen]

I've never had any experience with Lawnboy. I don't understand why they have 2 cycle and 4 cycle mowers. Is it an EPA issue? Also, I might as well reveal how ignorant I am regarding Lawnboy, but what are the models with the orange gas tank? I've been wanting to ask these things for some time so thank you all for your responses. I might be able to sleep tonight!

You may be able to sleep better just by looking up the definitions of idiot and ignorant. I really doubt you are an idiot.:biggrin:

 

[Two-Stroke]

You may be able to sleep better just by looking up the definitions of idiot and ignorant. I really doubt you are an idiot.:biggrin:

I agree... he (she) asked questions and got answers. That's how you learn. :thumbsup: