Model 31P677What is the engine model and type?
If the spark is going away after 5 minutes(or motor warming up) then consider the coil being a problem. Coils that are failing with sometime work when cold but stop working when hot.John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
This is a very good point. Although I'm leaning towards an ignition coil issue in this situation, I will say that those cap vents can be a problem. Usually the engine runs approximately 10-20 minutes if the vent is clogged. That's usually how long it takes the vacuum in the tank to overtake the fuel pump. This is true with any fuel cap that has a vent hole. I have seen the holes get plugged with dirt from folks wiping the cap before fueling or by wax from folks waxing their machines after washing.Make sure your gas cap is venting properly. Loosen the cap and see if it runs past your problematic 5 minute mark.
Likely a cracked coil. When it gets hot the crack widens, and you lose spark. Replace with a known good coil.John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Sounds like valve clearance is too small. I adjust it .001" looser so it takes longer between adjusts.Model 31P677
Type 0132 B1
Code 071008ZD
Got it running but now it stalls when I engage the blades. Will not start again until it cools down.
It is a long shot but easy to check: At the bottom of the engine block there is a grounding bolt. This sometimes comes lose and if it does, you have intermittent spark .John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Check the plug wire. A lot of them are carbon track core meaning there is a carbon coated string in the center. If the cap is mis-crimped on the string over time it becomes unreliable and just stops conducting. Had this issue with a Kawasaki vertical twin. One side was intermittent then just quit. Replaced the cap with a screw on NGK replacement. LB01EPJohn Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Have hadJohn Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
This happens sometimes when the Low Oil Level safety triggersJohn Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Have had a couple bad coils. Intermittently would warm up and short out. It was awful to troubleshoot. But that’s what it was. Good luck!John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
AND it could be as simple as the gas cap can't breath as well. The carbs are cheap and easy to replace. I'd try it with the gas cap loose first and if that doesn't fix it buy a new carb. Then from now on at the very least add StaBil at the 2 year rate to ALL your gas and preferably run ethanol free.Another possible issue is higher load starvation. Fuel flow limited. Could be the cause of a sticky fuel anti after fire solenoid, the electric device on the bottom of the carb. It shuts fuel off with the key off. If it does not move fully, it can starve the engine. Also a sticky needle and seat in carb float will do the same.
if the engine runs for 5 minutes then dies after heating up...the carb is fine...the coil or grounding is an issue along with a possible gas cap vent issue...if you test the coil resistance and its good...gounding or gas cap is an issue. .if the engine stopping is an inconsistant time then debris in the carb...fuel line...or gas cap vent is a issue...AND it could be as simple as the gas cap can't breath as well. The carbs are cheap and easy to replace. I'd try it with the gas cap loose first and if that doesn't fix it buy a new carb. Then from now on at the very least add StaBil at the 2 year rate to ALL your gas and preferably run ethanol free.
My bet is one of these two things will fix it!
Sounds like the coil is breaking down after it heats up, I had that problem once could not figure out the problem, I called my brother in law that lived 500 miles away told him about it he said change the coil and wire sure enough that fixed itJohn Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Quite true but not on a LA because they don't have oneThis happens sometimes when the Low Oil Level safety triggers
IT all depends upon HOW it diesif the engine runs for 5 minutes then dies after heating up...the carb is fine...the coil or grounding is an issue along with a possible gas cap vent issue...if you test the coil resistance and its good...gounding or gas cap is an issue. .if the engine stopping is an inconsistant time then debris in the carb...fuel line...or gas cap vent is a issue...
Not on this or any Briggs OHV engines.Sounds like valve clearance is too small. I adjust it .001" looser so it takes longer between adjusts.
I agree. A lot of people who aren't techs just throwing out ideas or what they have had happen in the past.Quite true but not on a LA because they don't have one
IT all depends upon HOW it dies
A dead stop will be electrical
A gradual stop with a bit of surging will be insufficient fuel from a partial blockage
This is why we ask questions like how does it stop ?
While it is nice of all of you to throw suggestions it is best to gather all the FACTS you need before trying to make a diagnosis and when a possibility is thrown at the poster, give them a test to confirm or revoke that possibility
Otherwise the poster ends up doing a whole lot of unnecessary things which may or may not make things worse or break things that that were not broken in the first place .
I tried to stay out of this thread because there were plenty of good willed people happy to help .
However we are 5 pages into the post and yet to do a DIAGNOSIS which is where you should be starting .
So the instant the mower stops the spark should be tested
I use an inline red test light for no other reason that they are easy to see in the daylight.
This does not confirm that the plug is firing but it rules in or out a failing coil .
The other diagnostic tool is a can of carb cleaner, if a short shot down the carb the instant the engine stops makes the engine fire and you can keep it running by repeating the process then that rules out the coil and rules in the fuel system.
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ive checked literally hundreds of coils this way over time...if it reads between 2.5K and 5k ohms...its good...outside this range is bad...worked every time...outside the lower and upper limits has identified if the coil is bad every time without exception...been doing this for almost 50 years...Does a John deer even have a magneto? Does it fly? As others said it’s probably your coil an easy quick check with a $5 spark check tool. Someone mentioned putting a meter on it to check ohm but you might not get a bad reading with an intermittent coil issue. Start simple, obvious, easy and cheap.
I had a mower do this one time, the gas tank had some bugs and rubber from the gas cap, blocking the gas flow to the carb. I removed the tank, cleaned it out and it's been running since.John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Absolutely true! The problem is a lot of people on here think they're one or even 50 experiences from 1965 to 19 91 are indicative of everything that exists in the world today.Modern magneto coils have a timing chip inside since around 1990 when Atom Industries patient ran out
You can not test the primary coils because the chip is in the way
It works for car coils,
It works for coils that have points
It does not work for coils that have embeded chips
As coils ( called armatures when the embed a 10¢ the charge $ 50 ) are not repairable the only test worth doing is to remove the kill wire to ensure the coil is the problem & not the stop switch or any safety switch .
This is a forum for serious repairs not for spreading old wives tales & urban myths, that is what Face book & twitter is for .
Very true that this can happen but we should always diagnose our problems before we waste time and money on repairs that may not be the problem.I had a mower do this one time, the gas tank had some bugs and rubber from the gas cap, blocking the gas flow to the carb. I removed the tank, cleaned it out and it's been running since.
Modern magneto coils have a timing chip inside since around 1990 when Atom Industries patient ran out
You can not test the primary coils because the chip is in the way
It works for car coils,
It works for coils that have points
It does not work for coils that have embeded chips
As coils ( called armatures when the embed a 10¢ the charge $ 50 ) are not repairable the only test worth doing is to remove the kill wire to ensure the coil is the problem & not the stop switch or any safety switch .
This is a forum for serious repairs not for spreading old wives tales & urban myths, that is what Face book & twitter is for .
ive checked literally hundreds of coils this way over time...if it reads between 2.5K and 5k ohms...its good...outside this range is bad...worked every time...outside the lower and upper limits has identified if the coil is bad every time without exception...been doing this for almost 50 years...
The proper way to test a coil is with an oscilloscope You cannot test a coil properly with an ohm meter.ive checked literally hundreds of coils this way over time...if it reads between 2.5K and 5k ohms...its good...outside this range is bad...worked every time...outside the lower and upper limits has identified if the coil is bad every time without exception...been doing this for almost 50 years...
True. I'll hang out a coil is just the most very basic test a person can do and you should never rely on it too much.The proper way to test a coil is with an oscilloscope You cannot test a coil properly with an ohm meter.
And that is just for the coil section you also need a signal generator to trip the Hall effect trigger .The proper way to test a coil is with an oscilloscope You cannot test a coil properly with an ohm meter.
Magneto? Maybe in the 60’sYour magneto is bad. When it gets hot it breaks down. A fairly simple fix. Get your Model, Type, and Code information and go to Amazon. The part should be under $40 even if you want the genuine factory article or about $20 for a Chinese knock-off that will probably do just as well. The replacement is an easy afternoon job for anyone with a basic tool set. I don't remember the exact specification, but you'll want to be pretty careful setting the air gap. It's been a couple of decades since I shut the shop down. Should be available with a Google search as long as you have the Model, Type, and Code number.
I've had 3 Chinese Loncin engines on riders that had a piece of wadding pushed up into carb inlet nipple. The 1st time was surprising, the 2nd even more that it happened twice....now I check anytime the symptoms are fuel starvation.I had a brand new zero turn with a Kohler motor that would run for 10 minutes and shut off, dealer said they had this problem with others and it was a casting flaw that was blocking a hole i forgot where. They shipped it back to me and Instead of using new valve cover gasket used red silicone too much I might add. Anyway got mower back did the same thing wasn’t fixed. I got pissed and called Hustler the rep came out with a new mower with a Kawasaki on it and took the Kohler back. Never did find out what it really was, it’s a shame because my older command from the 90’s is still running like a top after I did a valve job.
Magneto, coil, ignition moduleMagneto? Maybe in the 60’s
Magneto, coil, ignition module, ignition coil.. Are all commonly used interchangeably. Whether it's technically correct or not...it doesn't matter. People refer to the thing that the spark plug wire comes out of as all of these terms so as long as we know what they mean.Magneto? Maybe in the 60’s
,Magneto? Maybe in the 60’s
Sounds like the ignition coil has a bad coil winding inside it.John Deere LA 115 19.5 briggs and stratton starts cold runs 5 minutes and cuts off. loses spark. Has a new spark plug new gas filter, new air filter. Anyone else have this problem?
Very true. LOLTobyU says:
People refer to the thing that the spark plug wire comes out of as all of these terms so as long as we know what they mean.
or it's sometimes also termed:
Check the thingamajiggy with the wire coming out going to the other thingy.