Electric Starter

Mattmotors

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The important stuff- 2 Tecumseh motors HS50-67266H and HM80-155128C. The 5hp is on a Snapper Snowblower and the 8hp is on a Ariens Snowblower. Both have electric starts. The 5hp has a Chinese knockoff starter that is about 4 years old and the 8hp has an OEM starter that is a good 20 years old. Both died today. My question: Is there a good way to bench test these starter motors? Something I should be looking for? When I press the button, I get nothing.
8 hp Part Number 33329E
5 hp Part Number 33290E
Got numbers from Parts Tree
I know my cord is good because I used it on my other Snowblower. Doesn't everybody have 5 snowblowers? Thanks in advance , Matt.
 
The important stuff- 2 Tecumseh motors HS50-67266H and HM80-155128C. The 5hp is on a Snapper Snowblower and the 8hp is on a Ariens Snowblower. Both have electric starts. The 5hp has a Chinese knockoff starter that is about 4 years old and the 8hp has an OEM starter that is a good 20 years old. Both died today. My question: Is there a good way to bench test these starter motors? Something I should be looking for? When I press the button, I get nothing.
8 hp Part Number 33329E
5 hp Part Number 33290E
Got numbers from Parts Tree
I know my cord is good because I used it on my other Snowblower. Doesn't everybody have 5 snowblowers? Thanks in advance , Matt.
Double check contact with extension cord to starter. Make sure plug is pushed in tightly.
 
Doesn't everybody have 5 snowblowers? Thanks in advance , Matt.

I only have 4. A 3.5hp 40 year old ariens a 5hp toro 520 a 8hp MTD and a 2005 MTD accessory frankensteined onto a 1975 Sears ST12 riding mower.
 
I don’t think the 120v starters are nearly as robust as the 12v units, but they usually do work for a long time. Points of failure that I’ve heard or witnessed: the push button switch can fail - check it with an ohm meter first. Next point is the brushes/brush holder/field connections. Mainly the brushes - they aren’t very long to start with. Maybe 5/16” of brush material at most. For how often these get used, I doubt you’ll wear a set of brushes out, but worth checking condition, size, and wear pattern on the commutator. I always scuff the commutator with 220x sandpaper if it’s any color other than bright copper. Next point of failure, and probably the biggest pain to remedy: the armature. I recently acquired an Ariens snowblower with an HM80 that did nothing at the button. Everything checked out except the armature. The resin goo they seal the armature windings with at the commutator was cracked indicating it was dropped or something slammed into it hard enough to break every single winding connection at every single commutator bar. Two wires per commutator bar and 16 bars total. If you get to this point with everything else being fine, check the resistance between every pair of commutator bars. I took a sharpie and mark them 1-16, and get out a notepad to jot down resistance values between each pair of bars. 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, etc. The exact value of each isn’t that important, but the relative consistency with all of the values is. I went through my armature and soldered every pair of broken wires back to their respective commutator bars; 1.5-1.7ohm after soldering. Once reassembled, this starter whizzes the engine over like it has no spark plug in it. Surprised the heck out of me!

My other HM80 unit sounds labored; it works as it is, but turns over slower than a 1950 Plymouth. I checked armature resistance, and found a few bar pairs in the 4-12ohm range, but that really isn’t that bad. This one had way more resin goo covering the commutator connections, but I went through and re-soldered these connections for the heck of it; 0.08-1.4ohm was the range after, so this tells me they cut some corners on the armature manufacturing. I’m reassembling the second one tomorrow, so I’ll see if the solder trick gives it more rpm. I’m selling this machine, so I don’t really care if it works or not, but having it work properly is a selling point that helps.

Sorry for the winded response. It’s Ironic this subject came up while I have been working on two starters. The only reason I’m fixing these is so I can sell one of the units; I rarely ever use the electric starter as they rope start quite well even if it’s butt cold out. I have whittled my snowblower collection from a career high of 5 down to 1, and now up to 2 again.
 
I put my second “rebuilt” starter on my second snowblower after giving it the commutator bar solder treatment this afternoon. That made a huge difference! I can see they made those starters to last “long enough”; it was evident that the starter had gotten wet inside. I could see some green corrosion under the resin goo covering the winding/commutator connections. After cleaning and soldering said connections, the starter whizzes the engine over almost as fast as the other one I did. Just thought I’d share in case it’s helpful for anyone else.
 
I found my issue.The armature was rusted to the stator. Both. How water got in thee I don't know. I don't hose these machines down. But , I think it may be condensation.I have noticed sometimes when the weather is changing (warm outside, cold inside) I get condensation on everything in the pole barn.
 
It is a snow blower that moves frozen water right? When I use my snow blower a lot of snow blows everywhere and it lands all over the blower, hot motor and melting snow makes water that can get into anything. Rust will come next. Try to clean the blower off with a broom, ect. This will slow down the problem but leaving snow on it won't help at all. Try spraying a cooking oil spray on starter so snow will repel off it.
 
It is a snow blower that moves frozen water right? When I use my snow blower a lot of snow blows everywhere and it lands all over the blower, hot motor and melting snow makes water that can get into anything. Rust will come next. Try to clean the blower off with a broom, ect. This will slow down the problem but leaving snow on it won't help at all. Try spraying a cooking oil spray on starter so snow will repel off it.
Any oil will attract dirt. Pretty low in the snow compared to scalping a yard in the spring. Maybe some messy dry lube in a spray can.

Don't cover with a plastic tarp. Get something that breathes to slow down the rust. Sunshade material comes to mind. Blow it off with shop air or a backpack blower. Spray down with silicone spray when done. Spray your garage door while you are at it.
 
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