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Echo is anti gun

#1

I

ILENGINE

ECHO INC has posted there Lake Zurich headquarters with a no guns sign under the Illinois concealed carry act. I cannot support a company that wishes to violate my constitutional rights, and will be informing my customers about there anti gun stance.


#2

Carscw

Carscw

That tells thugs it's ok to rob us because no one here has a gun


#3

davbell22602

davbell22602

I'll may or may not step on some toes when I say this. I believe in freedom of speech and protecting my personal property. So if I have to force then I will.


#4

bwdbrn1

bwdbrn1

I strongly support the 2nd Amendment too, but knowing some of the folks in my area who have been the most vocal about Illinois' reluctance to pass the concealed carry law, I find myself a bit more nervous knowing they may be carrying as opposed to not knowing if a stranger might be carrying illegally. Not to be argumentative, but is there is a bit of a difference between the federal constitutional right to keep and bear arms, and the state granted license to carry concealed weapons?

Here's another, slightly different notion. We have the right to freedom of movement, but does that mean that everyone should be entitled a driver's license and that a company shouldn't be allowed to place restrictions on where I park my car when I visit a retailer?

But I'll tell you that I pose these question to people I know who question why folks own guns to try to get them to open their minds just a bit. The question they ask is why do people feel the need to own guns and why own more than one? These same folks will gladly sit down to a dinner of Porky or Elsie, but draw the line at Bambie. The question I pose to them, though pretty simplistic, is "what's the speed limit on the street out front of your house? When they say 30 mph, I then ask, what's the highest speed speedometer on your car read? When they say 120 or so, I ask why they need a car that can go 120 when the legal speed limit is 30? I usually end with, if I legally own and responsibly use a firearm of any kind, why should you care? Stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours as long as you do drive responsibly.

I'll admit up front that I don't know all of the particulars, but the State of Michigan has, or is wresting with the issue as it pertains to carrying otherwise legally owned weapons onto school properties.

One thing that got me riled up was when Ruger got their shorts into a knot a few years ago when they put restrictions on health insurance for employees who rode motorcycles. We're all aware of liability issues and how they raise their ugly head in our litigious society these days, and companies believe it necessary to put into force policies that run against the grain of some, and this is most likely Echo's response to the right to carry law.


#5

T

treeman

Didn't someone reply to your post elsewhere that Briggs also has signs? Will you not support that company now?


#6

exotion

exotion

Personally i don't care about other peoples opnions including companys... Echo will still make quality products regardless of how they feel. So I will still buy because I don't care...... I have 2 guns one registered and one not I don't care about the laws and bull and some company taking a stance changes nothing for anyone including any of you. You are just hurting your self in boycotting a good.brand . Oh and BTW they don't give a shiz about how you feel and your opinions changes nothing either


#7

Mike88se

Mike88se

I'll still buy Echo products if the need and opportunity arises. Don't forget that Echo has their rights too.


#8

wjjones

wjjones

Mike88se said:
I'll still buy Echo products if the need and opportunity arises. Don't forget that Echo has their rights too.
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Same here I dont care what they allow, or dont thats up to them.


#9

clpolcar

clpolcar

wjjones said:
Same here I dont care what they allow, or dont thats up to them.
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I will continue to buy echo because they make great products. I don't care if the love guns or hate guns. Who cares. Even if guns are taken away there will be another thing that will pop up to be substituted as a gun. So who care. If you like echo products buy them. If not then don't. Its your feelings.


#10

wjjones

wjjones

clpolcar said:
I will continue to buy echo because they make great products. I don't care if the love guns or hate guns. Who cares. Even if guns are taken away there will be another thing that will pop up to be substituted as a gun. So who care. If you like echo products buy them. If not then don't. Its your feelings.
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Yep they dont tell me what to do on my property so who are we to tell them. Some places support the carry permit law, and some dont.


#11

Ric

Ric

I agree with ILENGINE but I don't buy Echo or there Shindiawa equipment, IMO it's poor quality at best.:thumbdown:


#12

jekjr

jekjr

bwdbrn1 said:
I strongly support the 2nd Amendment too, but knowing some of the folks in my area who have been the most vocal about Illinois' reluctance to pass the concealed carry law, I find myself a bit more nervous knowing they may be carrying as opposed to not knowing if a stranger might be carrying illegally. Not to be argumentative, but is there is a bit of a difference between the federal constitutional right to keep and bear arms, and the state granted license to carry concealed weapons?

Here's another, slightly different notion. We have the right to freedom of movement, but does that mean that everyone should be entitled a driver's license and that a company shouldn't be allowed to place restrictions on where I park my car when I visit a retailer?

But I'll tell you that I pose these question to people I know who question why folks own guns to try to get them to open their minds just a bit. The question they ask is why do people feel the need to own guns and why own more than one? These same folks will gladly sit down to a dinner of Porky or Elsie, but draw the line at Bambie. The question I pose to them, though pretty simplistic, is "what's the speed limit on the street out front of your house? When they say 30 mph, I then ask, what's the highest speed speedometer on your car read? When they say 120 or so, I ask why they need a car that can go 120 when the legal speed limit is 30? I usually end with, if I legally own and responsibly use a firearm of any kind, why should you care? Stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours as long as you do drive responsibly.

I'll admit up front that I don't know all of the particulars, but the State of Michigan has, or is wresting with the issue as it pertains to carrying otherwise legally owned weapons onto school properties.

One thing that got me riled up was when Ruger got their shorts into a knot a few years ago when they put restrictions on health insurance for employees who rode motorcycles. We're all aware of liability issues and how they raise their ugly head in our litigious society these days, and companies believe it necessary to put into force policies that run against the grain of some, and this is most likely Echo's response to the right to carry law.
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People ask met who I have a gun? I ask them why they have a fire extinguisher?

Personally it had rather have a fun and not need it than not have one and need it.

Kinda like one other guy said about his front door. "Before you kick the front door on remember it it there to protect you from me rather than to protect me from you." Kicking a fellow's door on that has a 12 ga with 5 buckshot in it pointed at it is not a wise move.


#13

Mike88se

Mike88se

Anybody else seeing the irony here? Echo has a right to their policies. They don't have a right to keep anyone from owning a gun or 3. But then they aren't saying they do are they? They're just saying don't bring it in here. Which is their... right ;) Ya'll don't have anything against rights do you?

ECHO INC has posted there Lake Zurich headquarters with a no guns sign under the Illinois concealed carry act. I cannot support a company that wishes to violate my constitutional rights, and will be informing my customers about there anti gun stance.
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They aren't violating your rights :)


#14

wjjones

wjjones

Mike88se said:
Anybody else seeing the irony here? Echo has a right to their policies. They don't have a right to keep anyone from owning a gun or 3. But then they aren't saying they do are they? They're just saying don't bring it in here. Which is their... right ;) Ya'll don't have anything against rights do you?


They aren't violating your rights :)
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Nope they are not.:thumbsup:


#15

J

jp1961

This is a forum for lawn equipment, not a forum on gun control. I can't believe the webmaster didn't delete it for being off topic. Me personally, I think guns are beyond out of control in this country. Echo makes outstanding quality outdoor products and will purchase them regardless on their policy of not allowing guns on company property.


#16

Carscw

Carscw

jp1961 said:
This is a forum for lawn equipment, not a forum on gun control. I can't believe the webmaster didn't delete it for being off topic. Me personally, I think guns are beyond out of control in this country. Echo makes outstanding quality outdoor products and will purchase them regardless on their policy of not allowing guns on company property.
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Good thing your not the webmaster.


#17

Ric

Ric

wjjones said:
Nope they are not.:thumbsup:
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No there not violating your rights but I also have the right to buy from a company who doesn't voice an opinion about gun rights.


#18

Ric

Ric

Carscw said:
Good thing your not the webmaster.
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I may a little off with this but people who own and shoot guns tend to really have strong feelings about there weapons and even stronger feelings about people who are anti gun and were not talking about a few hundred people who own guns, were talking millions. So knowing that if I'm a company like Echo who depends on sales to stay in business I sure wouldn't go around or advertise that I'm anti gun, that could be a bad business move.


#19

Mike88se

Mike88se

Ric said:
I may a little off with this but people who own and shoot guns tend to really have strong feelings about there weapons and even stronger feelings about people who are anti gun and were not talking about a few hundred people who own guns, were talking millions. So knowing that if I'm a company like Echo who depends on sales to stay in business I sure wouldn't go around or advertise that I'm anti gun, that could be a bad business move.
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Well it looks like the thing about people who have strong feelings about gun rights seem to misinterpret things and see everyone who believes in any type of regulation is wrong.
You see... I don't see what Echo did as being anti-gun. I see it as them exercising their rights to decide whether people can bring guns into their property. You see what I'm saying?
BTW feel free to send any Echo equipment you own to me. I can PM you my address ;)


#20

Ric

Ric

Mike88se said:
Well it looks like the thing about people who have strong feelings about gun rights seem to misinterpret things and see everyone who believes in any type of regulation is wrong.
You see... I don't see what Echo did as being anti-gun. I see it as them exercising their rights to decide whether people can bring guns into their property. You see what I'm saying?
BTW feel free to send any Echo equipment you own to me. I can PM you my address ;)
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I don't have a problem with them exercising their rights, but they could have done that in house. By doing it publicly it could and has cost the customers and money and that could be a bad business move on their part.


#21

wjjones

wjjones

Last I heard Lowes will let you carry in their stores as long as you have a permit to do so. I have a carry permit but I dont carry anyway so I didnt see the big deal about Echo. I am not going there to buy ammo, or target practice I go there to buy Echo stuff. There are alot more places that are anti gun, and if I got pissed off about all of them I would stay pissed all the time..:laughing: Its bad for your blood pressure, and its not worth the trouble.:thumbsup: Go look at Rics page it will make you feel better, and forget about the gun stuff.


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