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E15 Coming this Summer

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StarTech

StarTech

Well guys get ready E15 is coming this Summer if not already in your area. I done lost two new vacuum fuel pumps to it already.


#2

sgkent

sgkent

apparently the people pushing it haven't read the National Academy of Science's peer reviewed and detailed study released February 2022 about how destructive it is to the environment, including making much more CO2 than it saves when farm to fuel is considered. https://www.nwf.org/Latest-News/Pre...search, published in the,by up to 8 percent —


#3

StarTech

StarTech

I am fairly aware of the problems. As usual the powers to be is only seeing / promoting one side of the story and not the whole story. What worst is the public falls for it.

Its like all the green energy being pushed. No one is saying much at all about all the pollution it creates in the process.


#4

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bertsmobile1

Virtue signaling
Got to do some thing with all the surplus corn
Self appointed saviours of the planet have tunnel vision and none of them can understand the science


#5

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mark abby

i'll try not to get political here, but, the E15 was pushed by one of the representatives from the mid-west. Of course this is corn country. Apparently he got it passed with the promise of cleaner air, etc.

I buy non ethanol gas. true, it's hard to find and it costs more, but, well worth it. My truck has a Hemi and my gas milage did improve and i can tell the truck runs better ( more responsive) Hopefully, all my yard equipment will last much longer using non-ethanol gas.

If you can, avoid the E15 at all costs, it will ruin everything you use it in. It won't give you better gas milage, you will use more fuel, it doesn't "clean the air".


#6

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Robusta

Where is this? Find it hard to believe that it is the only fuel available to you.
Just don't buy it.
Personally I always run 90 octane non ethanol in my small engines.


#7

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Gym123

mark abby said:
i'll try not to get political here, but, the E15 was pushed by one of the representatives from the mid-west. Of course this is corn country. Apparently he got it passed with the promise of cleaner air, etc.

I buy non ethanol gas. true, it's hard to find and it costs more, but, well worth it. My truck has a Hemi and my gas milage did improve and i can tell the truck runs better ( more responsive) Hopefully, all my yard equipment will last much longer using non-ethanol gas.

If you can, avoid the E15 at all costs, it will ruin everything you use it in. It won't give you better gas milage, you will use more fuel, it doesn't "clean the air".
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"Pay no attention to the man behind the screen".


#8

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callwill

I searched to see if there was a mandate to move to E15 and found this: "Beginning January 1, 2026, retail gasoline fueling stations must advertise and sell E15 from at least one gasoline dispenser." That doesnt mean it will be the only thing you can buy. Some will though.


#9

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Gym123

callwill said:
I searched to see if there was a mandate to move to E15 and found this: "Beginning January 1, 2026, retail gasoline fueling stations must advertise and sell E15 from at least one gasoline dispenser." That doesnt mean it will be the only thing you can buy. Some will though.
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I think we'll need to watch this- if there's any financial incentive for stations to sell E15 over E10, they will and we'll have to search for stations that carry what we want. That usually means the areas surrounding larger cities won't have any options.


#10

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Auto Doc's

Anyone who has taken a basic physics class knows Ethanol mixed fuel has a lower thermal efficiency compared to regular gasoline. That means mileage is lower, but the byproduct of exhaust is supposedly cleaner. It's all about reducing carbon byproducts in the air.

They are ratcheting up the amount of Ethanol to basically help/promote corn farmers who have overplanted and reducing the use of actual straight gasoline. Ethanol is cheaper, so fuel companies can profit more per gallon.

I wonder how long it will be before they eliminate non-ethanol fuel all together. It's already overpriced.

Some countries are producing E-85 from sugar beets and that is some really bad stuff.

Similar changes are happening with diesel and the "ultra-low sulfur" fuel to reduce emissions. Modern diesel fuel attracts more water than ever. Bio Diesel is even worse. Older mechanical injection systems are being killed off more every day.


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Gym123

Auto Doc's said:
Anyone who has taken a basic physics class knows Ethanol mixed fuel has a lower thermal efficiency compared to regular gasoline. That means mileage is lower, but the byproduct of exhaust is supposedly cleaner. It's all about reducing carbon byproducts in the air.

They are ratcheting up the amount of Ethanol to basically help/promote corn farmers who have overplanted and reducing the use of actual straight gasoline. Ethanol is cheaper, so fuel companies can profit more per gallon.

I wonder how long it will be before they eliminate non-ethanol fuel all together. It's already overpriced.

Some countries are producing E-85 from sugar beets and that is some really bad stuff.

Similar changes are happening with diesel and the "ultra-low sulfur" fuel to reduce emissions. Modern diesel fuel attracts more water than ever. Bio Diesel is even worse. Older mechanical injection systems are being killed off more every day.
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Taking and remembering are two different things. The ones who annoy me think that replacing gas & Diesel is easy but know absolutely nothing about energy and why Ethanol is worse WRT fuel economy.

If Ethanol is cheaper, why do corn farmers need to be subsidized when they sell to biofuel production facilities? That needs to be added to the cost.


What makes Ethanol from Sugar Beets bad? Once it's distilled, is the Ethanol really different, or is it the waste?


#12

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Auto Doc's

Gym123 said:
Taking and remembering are two different things. The ones who annoy me think that replacing gas & Diesel is easy but know absolutely nothing about energy and why Ethanol is worse WRT fuel economy.

If Ethanol is cheaper, why do corn farmers need to be subsidized when they sell to biofuel production facilities? That needs to be added to the cost.


What makes Ethanol from Sugar Beets bad? Once it's distilled, is the Ethanol really different, or is it the waste?
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Ethanol producers are laughing all the way to the bank because the federal government is paying farmers subsidies to produce surplus corn, and the Ethanol producers are buying the corn cheap. The producer then basically distills the corn into raw Ethanol and sells the product to the refiners to be mixed in with gasoline. On top of that, the raw waste from that Ethanol production is sold to cattle feed producers.
Basically, the same thing happens with sugar beets. Some countries only offer E85 that is made from the sugar beet crops.


#13

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Gym123

Auto Doc's said:
Ethanol producers are laughing all the way to the bank because the federal government is paying farmers subsidies to produce surplus corn, and the Ethanol producers are buying the corn cheap. The producer then basically distills the corn into raw Ethanol and sells the product to the refiners to be mixed in with gasoline. On top of that, the raw waste from that Ethanol production is sold to cattle feed producers.
Basically, the same thing happens with sugar beets. Some countries only offer E85 that is made from the sugar beet crops.
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This is the reason I made the comment about the man behind the screen.


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