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raisincain

Want to eliminate switch which kills motor when I get off seat


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Joed756

You won't get help here with the elimination of safety switches.


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bkeller500

bkeller500

Do not remove safety devices. Very little to gain and so much to loose.


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StarTech

StarTech

One of the reasons is the sue happy public and lawyers. I had one several years that tried to drag me into one of these cases. Some tech installed the one safety switch. The customer was mowing when a tree limb knocked him off his mower while mowing. The mower continued across the lawn right into the side of his wife's new car. Just because I found the problem after the mower came into my shop his lawyer tried suing me for someone else's mistake. Luckily I had documented the problem and the solution and judge throw it out as I was the repair after the fact. In that case it was a simple mistake of using the wrong safety switch by a fly by night repair shop.

I have ever since documented these bypassed safeties in my customer files as to protect myself.

Besides I do not want to responsible for someone injuries. In my area in the last 10 yrs we done had two kids injured because reverse safeties were disabled. One die and the other lost a good part of her foot.


#5

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

raisincain said:
Want to eliminate switch which kills motor when I get off seat
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How to eliminate the seat switch is as easy as turning off the deck and setting the parking brake before getting off the seat.


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GearHead36

StarTech said:
Besides I do not want to responsible for someone injuries. In my area in the last 10 yrs we done had two kids injured because reverse safeties were disabled. One die and the other lost a good part of her foot.
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Since this is really a discussion on safety switches, and not Cub cadet zero turn...

Why do some riding mowers have a reverse safety switch, and others don't? My first riding mower was a MTD back in the 90's, which had a reverse safety switch. I disabled it, as it was a pain. I re-enabled it before I sold it. That's the only safety switch I've ever disabled. All of the ZTR's I've seen do NOT have reverse safety switches. What's the difference?


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ILENGINE

ILENGINE

GearHead36 said:
Since this is really a discussion on safety switches, and not Cub cadet zero turn...

Why do some riding mowers have a reverse safety switch, and others don't? My first riding mower was a MTD back in the 90's, which had a reverse safety switch. I disabled it, as it was a pain. I re-enabled it before I sold it. That's the only safety switch I've ever disabled. All of the ZTR's I've seen do NOT have reverse safety switches. What's the difference?
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I have come across several Z-turns over the years with reverse safety switches. They are only activated when both levers are pulled into reverse. Just like the Husqvarna Z254 I worked on a couple weeks ago that required you to pull both levers into the drive position at the same time or it would kill the engine.


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bkeller500

bkeller500

GearHead36 said:
Since this is really a discussion on safety switches, and not Cub cadet zero turn...

Why do some riding mowers have a reverse safety switch, and others don't? My first riding mower was a MTD back in the 90's, which had a reverse safety switch. I disabled it, as it was a pain. I re-enabled it before I sold it. That's the only safety switch I've ever disabled. All of the ZTR's I've seen do NOT have reverse safety switches. What's the difference?
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Good point GearHead36.....and why do ZT's not have a reverse safety switch at all?? Probably some out there but I have never seen one. It's certainly a less observed safety from most ZT manufacturers. Not sure what the new Electric Battery Powered units are doing.


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GearHead36

bkeller500 said:
Good point GearHead36.....and why do ZT's not have a reverse safety switch at all?? Probably some out there but I have never seen one. It's certainly a less observed safety from most ZT manufacturers. Not sure what the new Electric Battery Powered units are doing.
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Actually, now that you mention it... I DO remember a ZTR with reverse lockout. It was a Cub Cadet steering wheel ZTR. A Z Force model, I think. You could bypass it by hitting a sequence of buttons on the control panel, though. This was documented in the manual. It wasn't some hidden feature.


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StarTech

StarTech

Reverse safety systems are being more and more incorporate into ZTRs. With Cub Cadet there is at least two different systems. One kills the engine; unless, have it in the reverse bypass mode and the other just shuts off the PTO in full reverse and re-engages PTO as you come out of full reverse. JD got one system where you got the recycle PTO switch when the safety is activated and you not going reverse. Don't remember how Husqvarna ZTRs handle this as it been awhile since I see none of them.


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bertsmobile1

GearHead36 said:
Since this is really a discussion on safety switches, and not Cub cadet zero turn...

Why do some riding mowers have a reverse safety switch, and others don't? My first riding mower was a MTD back in the 90's, which had a reverse safety switch. I disabled it, as it was a pain. I re-enabled it before I sold it. That's the only safety switch I've ever disabled. All of the ZTR's I've seen do NOT have reverse safety switches. What's the difference?
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Because some mower companies have been sued by idiots who injured others or themselves by reversing over people, todlers, hoses, electrical wires , etc etc .
All modern US mowers have reverse cut out and most ZTRs now days cut out when both lap bars are in reverse .
The courts seem to think you can legislate out stupidity .
Mowers made specifically for anywhere else in the world do not have the MIR cut outs
The Australian export models & European export models we get here do not have MIR , the US home models do .


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GearHead36

bertsmobile1 said:
Because some mower companies have been sued by idiots who injured others or themselves by reversing over people, todlers, hoses, electrical wires , etc etc .
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That would explain things if ALL ZTRs had reverse safety switches, but only some do. I have two ZTRs. One is from around 2003, and one is a 2017 model. Neither have reverse safety switches.


#13

StarTech

StarTech

Those OEMs equipment that don't have reverse inhibit systems are just haven't been sue by idiots and their greedy lawyers.

As said operators are the ones responsible for the safe equipment operations. But there those that simply are careless when it comes to operating anything and these safety features are reminders to pay attention.

Myself and another nearly ran over a woman on a rider several years ago. She never heard us blowing our horns and the sliding of the tires. She was wearing hearing protection as she rode the mower out onto the roadway making an u-turn while mowing. I just completely stopped and waited for her return run to stop her. She stopped and asked what I wanted. I proceeded to explain to her how close she came to being ran into by two vehicles. She was surprised that it happen but I showed her the skid marks on the roadway as proof. And I just had motorcyclist to wreck here as he answered his cell phone. That one was a ride to hospital and a destroyed motorcycle. Just can't be answering a phone while doing 55+ around a curve while on a motorcycle safely.


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GearHead36

StarTech said:
Those OEMs equipment that don't have reverse inhibit systems are just haven't been sue by idiots and their greedy lawyers.
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My older ZTR is a Husqvarna. The newer one is a Cub Cadet. I can't imagine that MTD has been immune from lawsuits from idiots. The CC is a commercial unit. Maybe that matters?


#15

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

GearHead36 said:
My older ZTR is a Husqvarna. The newer one is a Cub Cadet. I can't imagine that MTD has been immune from lawsuits from idiots. The CC is a commercial unit. Maybe that matters?
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Commercial units fall under different ANSI standards, and MTD was the company that started the mowing in reverse issue due to a MTD mower owner backing over his daughter killing her. I seem to remember was in Ohio, as well as the little girl in Florida that lost both legs. Neighbor had a Yardman Z turn that would shut off the pto in reverse. Would set back in the yard and go forward, reverse, forward, reverse, etc. Worked on a customers Troybilt that also had the shutoff the deck in reverse. That was around 2011 for the Troybilt, and the neighbor would of been early 2000's.


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bertsmobile1

GearHead36 said:
My older ZTR is a Husqvarna. The newer one is a Cub Cadet. I can't imagine that MTD has been immune from lawsuits from idiots. The CC is a commercial unit. Maybe that matters?
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The landlord runs a fleet of 2000 series Cubs because it is hilly & they all have horizontal shaft engines
5 of the 6 have a MIR lock out
One does not
4 of the 6 are end of season exports to Australia to avoid tax ( we get a lot of stuff like that down here )


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Freddie21

Toro has a separate key switch for the reverse cut.


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wickedgoodoutdoors

wickedgoodoutdoors

The seat saftey switch is a real pain in the but. I hae used Riding Mowers for years and use the little 254 hp 2 wheel drive to pull a garden cart, load firewood, dirt tug thelittle boats and utility trailer around etc. None of my riding lawn mowers ever had those stupisd switchs until recently some Californinias who cant operate a pocket knife started putting them on everything. I hate them. Put a meter on the switch and it looks like its a double circuit thats going to need a diode installed to bypass the switches. The stupid starter mower switches and mower blade switches are the same. its not rocket science ( that I have done with Nuke Ballistic Missiles on Submarines) The Best lawnmower I have had was a Big Single Cyl. Cast Iron 1,000 RPM 1958 Wheel horse with the 8 speed manual in it. Need to go back to something like that. How about people starting a business with AMERICANS selling Kits so People can buy the kit and Build there own. real functional no bull lawnmowers. Made in USA by Americans. when I was a kid My Uncle had a Nice Ford Ferguson Tractor and a McCormick and I would be Mowing Hay at 10 yrs old. if a 10 year old can do it and adult Man should be able to do it.

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mmoffitt

raisincain said:
Want to eliminate switch which kills motor when I get off seat
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NOT HERE YOU DON"T! people get hurt maimed and killed every year by monkey' n round with safety !


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rhkraft

Shut off the mower blades, push down the brake pedal, set the park brake handle and get off. the engine will continue running and the tractor is safe.


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Peva

bkeller500 said:
Good point GearHead36.....and why do ZT's not have a reverse safety switch at all?? Probably some out there but I have never seen one. It's certainly a less observed safety from most ZT manufacturers. Not sure what the new Electric Battery Powered units are doing.
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"Not sure what the new Electric Battery Powered units are doing."

I bought a Ryobi electric 2nd gen. zero turn (model Z30Li) this spring (the 2nd gen Ryobi ZTR's have Lithium ion batteries instead of lead acid). It has no reverse safety feature - seamlessly allows backing up with the blades running. BTW - the Ryobi ZTRs (available in 30", 42", and 54" models) have a single joy stick (i.e., not lap bars/levers, not a steering wheel) for all travel speed and direction control.


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SamB

bertsmobile1 said:
Because some mower companies have been sued by idiots who injured others or themselves by reversing over people, todlers, hoses, electrical wires , etc etc .
All modern US mowers have reverse cut out and most ZTRs now days cut out when both lap bars are in reverse .
The courts seem to think you can legislate out stupidity .
Mowers made specifically for anywhere else in the world do not have the MIR cut outs
The Australian export models & European export models we get here do not have MIR , the US home models do .
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