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Carb linkage
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Kirok
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Kirok
So I replaced the carb on my 22hp Ariens riding mower. Briggs and Stratton engine. Took old carb off put new one on. Put throttle and choke linkage rods back on like before. So I thought. My problem resides with the throttle linkage. So when I start the mower, it runs at full throttle. I couldn't figure what was wrong at first then after looking, I noticed the throttle was basically wide open with the rod being pulled down by the throttle arm and spring it attaches to. It's almost like it's backwards which I know it shouldn't be. Any thoughts on why that spring arm for the throttle would be wide open as it pulls down on the throttle lever of the carb?
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COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum. Do you have any idea of which 22hp Briggs engine you have, we don’t? If you really want help from us you need to supply us with the model, type and code numbers for the engine. Probably will find them on the valve cover. I know you know what I’m asking for, because you needed them to order the new carb.
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Kirok
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Don't quit your day job bud, cause you are a legend in your own mind when it comes to your comedic genius quick wit.COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum. Do you have any idea of which 22hp Briggs engine you have, we don’t? If you really want help from us you need to supply us with the model, type and code numbers for the engine. Probably will find them on the valve cover. I know you know what I’m asking for, because you needed them to order the new carb.
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At least he told you where to find the model numbers.
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At least I know where to look for the numbers we need. If you really want help my advice to you is don’t go burning bridges before you get it. If you are not smart enough to get the numbers, you’re definitely not a comedic genius either. You definitely don’t know how to politely ask for help or follow directions. Let’s try this again!!!
COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum. Do you have any idea of which 22hp Briggs engine you have, we don’t? If you really want help from us you need to supply us with the model, type and code numbers for the engine. Probably will find them on the valve cover. I know you know what I’m asking for, because you needed them to order the new carb.
COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum. Do you have any idea of which 22hp Briggs engine you have, we don’t? If you really want help from us you need to supply us with the model, type and code numbers for the engine. Probably will find them on the valve cover. I know you know what I’m asking for, because you needed them to order the new carb.
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Kirok
Is that really how you start off by helping someone? Trust me it's all in the delivery and yours sucks. So yeah try again. Don't be a punk!
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Kirok
At least I know where to look for the numbers we need. If you really want help my advice to you is don’t go burning bridges before you get it. If you are not smart enough to get the numbers, you’re definitely not a comedic genius either. You definitely don’t know how to politely ask for help or follow directions. Let’s try this again!!!
COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum. Do you have any idea of which 22hp Briggs engine you have, we don’t? If you really want help from us you need to supply us with the model, type and code numbers for the engine. Probably will find them on the valve cover. I know you know what I’m asking for, because you needed them to order the new carb.
Politely ask? Holy crap you really are a front runner for a Darwin Award. I guess you must be thin skinned reading my original post. Can't seem to find anything impolite in it. Is this how you help people by insulting them right out of the gate? "COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum"At least I know where to look for the numbers we need. If you really want help my advice to you is don’t go burning bridges before you get it. If you are not smart enough to get the numbers, you’re definitely not a comedic genius either. You definitely don’t know how to politely ask for help or follow directions. Let’s try this again!!!
COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum. Do you have any idea of which 22hp Briggs engine you have, we don’t? If you really want help from us you need to supply us with the model, type and code numbers for the engine. Probably will find them on the valve cover. I know you know what I’m asking for, because you needed them to order the new carb.
Is that really how you start off by helping someone? Trust me it's all in the delivery and yours sucks. So yeah try again. Don't be a punk!
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sgkent
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consider uploading some quality photos of the linkage, model numbers etc. No one can see the engine from here. All they can really say is you did something wrong, but then beyond that they are guessing.
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Kirok
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Thank you. I appreciate your reply. I will take some pics and post more info tomorrow.consider uploading some quality photos of the linkage, model numbers etc. No one can see the engine from here. All they can really say is you did something wrong, but then beyond that they are guessing.
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StarTech
When a carburetor is replaced it is advisable to check the static governor adjustment. When out adjustment the engine will usually ran at maximum possible ungoverned speed. If the governor spring is off or is broken the engine will only idle.
When being a 22 hp it is likely it is a v-twin Briggs but there many versions of these engines and we need the model and type off the valve cover. There a few different version of the engine controls on these as well.
StarTech
These are governed engines. When they are not running the governor spring will hold the throttle butterfly vane wide open. When the engine is running the mechanical governor will be trying to push the vane closed and the spring is trying to pull it fully open. It is a delicate balance between the two that governs the engine speed.So I replaced the carb on my 22hp Ariens riding mower. Briggs and Stratton engine. Took old carb off put new one on. Put throttle and choke linkage rods back on like before. So I thought. My problem resides with the throttle linkage. So when I start the mower, it runs at full throttle. I couldn't figure what was wrong at first then after looking, I noticed the throttle was basically wide open with the rod being pulled down by the throttle arm and spring it attaches to. It's almost like it's backwards which I know it shouldn't be. Any thoughts on why that spring arm for the throttle would be wide open as it pulls down on the throttle lever of the carb?
When a carburetor is replaced it is advisable to check the static governor adjustment. When out adjustment the engine will usually ran at maximum possible ungoverned speed. If the governor spring is off or is broken the engine will only idle.
When being a 22 hp it is likely it is a v-twin Briggs but there many versions of these engines and we need the model and type off the valve cover. There a few different version of the engine controls on these as well.
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Rivets
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Your response has me wondering if you are just too young to understand what is needed to help people on this forum or have no clue as to what you are doing. You sound like someone who thinks the world revolves around you and we should do your bidding. Even when you’ve been asked to provide engine numbers, you would rather resort to act like a teenage who wants it their way and wants it now. If you do provide us with numbers I’m sure someone will bow to your stupidity and try to help you. When you grow up and act like a reasonable person you might get a little more respect, but not from me. I for one won’t waste my time or experience in giving you anything more than what you really deserve, a lesson from someone who is one step smarter than you. I can tell you there are two linkages on your unit, a throttle linkage connected to either the governor control or throttle plate and a choke linkage connected to the choke plate. Plus you will have a throttle control spring connected between the throttle plate and governor arm. I hope you a smart enough to understand this, or you’ve really got problems.
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Kirok
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Kirok
See when I filter through the idiot/genius bullcrap that you are trying to dole out, I can see you are trying to convey what I need to do. Unfortunately your socially retarded way of doing it, is the issue. Maybe and just maybe you can use this as a learning moment about how to address people when they are just looking for a little help and not be a wise guy trying to be funny. Come out of your mom's basement and go get some social skills.Your response has me wondering if you are just too young to understand what is needed to help people on this forum or have no clue as to what you are doing. You sound like someone who thinks the world revolves around you and we should do your bidding. Even when you’ve been asked to provide engine numbers, you would rather resort to act like a teenage who wants it their way and wants it now. If you do provide us with numbers I’m sure someone will bow to your stupidity and try to help you. When you grow up and act like a reasonable person you might get a little more respect, but not from me. I for one won’t waste my time or experience in giving you anything more than what you really deserve, a lesson from someone who is one step smarter than you. I can tell you there are two linkages on your unit, a throttle linkage connected to either the governor control or throttle plate and a choke linkage connected to the choke plate. Plus you will have a throttle control spring connected between the throttle plate and governor arm. I hope you a smart enough to understand this, or you’ve really got problems.
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ILENGINE
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The OP has been asked at least 3 times for the model number information, and instead is being upset over somebodies sarcasm and wanting to be argumentative. At this point I don't see a reason to continue this thread since the OP has refused to provide the information that has been asked for.
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Kirok
Type is 221705
Code is 120502YG
That's off the valve cover
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Kirok
Model is a 407777These are governed engines. When they are not running the governor spring will hold the throttle butterfly vane wide open. When the engine is running the mechanical governor will be trying to push the vane closed and the spring is trying to pull it fully open. It is a delicate balance between the two that governs the engine speed.
When a carburetor is replaced it is advisable to check the static governor adjustment. When out adjustment the engine will usually ran at maximum possible ungoverned speed. If the governor spring is off or is broken the engine will only idle.
When being a 22 hp it is likely it is a v-twin Briggs but there many versions of these engines and we need the model and type off the valve cover. There a few different version of the engine controls on these as well.
Type is 221705
Code is 120502YG
That's off the valve cover
These are governed engines. When they are not running the governor spring will hold the throttle butterfly vane wide open. When the engine is running the mechanical governor will be trying to push the vane closed and the spring is trying to pull it fully open. It is a delicate balance between the two that governs the engine speed.
When a carburetor is replaced it is advisable to check the static governor adjustment. When out adjustment the engine will usually ran at maximum possible ungoverned speed. If the governor spring is off or is broken the engine will only idle.
When being a 22 hp it is likely it is a v-twin Briggs but there many versions of these engines and we need the model and type off the valve cover. There a few different version of the engine controls on these as well.
The OP has been asked at least 3 times for the model number information, and instead is being upset over somebodies sarcasm and wanting to be argumentative. At this point I don't see a reason to continue this thread since the OP has refused to provide the information that has been asked for
Why ILENGINE is it totally acceptable to be condescending to me as all I am here to do is ask for some help. Instead of Rivets just politely asking me for the model or numbers off the valve cover, which I would have given no issues, he feeds me jokes. If you notice how Startech asked compared to Rivets, it's night and day. Trust me I didn't just sign up for this forum looking to get into a urinating contest. I can go to FB for that stuff.The OP has been asked at least 3 times for the model number information, and instead is being upset over somebodies sarcasm and wanting to be argumentative. At this point I don't see a reason to continue this thread since the OP has refused to provide the information that has been asked for.
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StarTech
StarTech
V-twin with V3 autochoke control. Plus it has governed idle.
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Kirok
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Kirok
consider uploading some quality photos of the linkage, model numbers etc. No one can see the engine from here. All they can really say is you did something wrong, but then beyond that they are guessing.
So I replaced the carb on my 22hp Ariens riding mower. Briggs and Stratton engine. Took old carb off put new one on. Put throttle and choke linkage rods back on like before. So I thought. My problem resides with the throttle linkage. So when I start the mower, it runs at full throttle. I couldn't figure what was wrong at first then after looking, I noticed the throttle was basically wide open with the rod being pulled down by the throttle arm and spring it attaches to. It's almost like it's backwards which I know it shouldn't be. Any thoughts on why that spring arm for the throttle would be wide open as it pulls down on the throttle lever of the carb?
Thank you. I appreciate your reply. I will take some pics and post more info tomorrow.
Ok. I tried to upload a pic of the linkage. Said file was too big. Basically, the governor arm pulls the throttle to the wide open position on the carb. That's where I am at. I thought a spring may have dislarged when I removed the old carb. Doesn't seem to be the case. Any thoughts on how to remedy the issue?V-twin with V3 autochoke control. Plus it has governed idle.
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IL can’t agree with you more. You must have gotten through to him, where I couldn’t, as he finally got us the numbers after six attends by four members asking for them. Now if he would do a google search, using “Briggs model $&).,#@%?! Service manual” he might find the answer to his question. I could post it for him, but I’m not going to waste the effort for someone who wouldn’t appreciate the help. He figures we own it to me, because he finally posted the numbers. He’s probably not capable of understanding the manual without adult supervision though. To quote him, “Maybe and just maybe you can use this as a learning moment about how to address people when they are just looking for a little help and not be a wise guy trying to be funny. Come out of your mom's basement and go get some social skills.”
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Kirok
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Rivet I can understand if this forum is where you feel you can compensate for your lack of manhood . I guess trying to get into a pissing contest with the new guy is your way of making yourself feel like a big man on campus. I mean as I said your a legend in your own mind. It's too bad you couldnt be just like StarTech who simply asked for the numbers off the valve cover. No wise cracks, nothing. I'll tell you what go get yourself a green crayon, leave your Mom's basement and go color the grass outside. Atta boy(giving you a virtual pat on the head)IL can’t agree with you more. You must have gotten through to him, where I couldn’t, as he finally got us the numbers after six attends by four members asking for them. Now if he would do a google search, using “Briggs model $&).,#@%?! Service manual” he might find the answer to his question. I could post it for him, but I’m not going to waste the effort for someone who wouldn’t appreciate the help. He figures we own it to me, because he finally posted the numbers. He’s probably not capable of understanding the manual without adult supervision though. To quote him, “Maybe and just maybe you can use this as a learning moment about how to address people when they are just looking for a little help and not be a wise guy trying to be funny. Come out of your mom's basement and go get some social skills.”
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Boy you just don’t know what you are going to find when you try to help people? I’m being to think this guy’s cousin is “redneck mechanic from mi” or a 13 year old girl trolling this forum. It seems to me that this is like trying to teach this city slicker why you don’t transport bulls in the same trailer as fleshing heifers. Not only he doesn’t know how to hook up carb linkages, but have any clue how a help forum works. Do you think he would understand what to do if I posted a Briggs service manual for engines with models 5-22? I think he has the same linkage set as a model 7, but could be wrong, as it could be the same as a Fairbanks Morse hit-n-miss. Maybe if he’d learn how to resize a picture we would see exact what he has. Nor has he seen how foolish he looks each time he posts. Star, it seems like he likes you so I’ll back out of this thread and let you try to help him, unless he wants to continue his obnoxious rant against me
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Kirok
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Kirok
Like I said, compensating for your manhood. Instead of just saving face and helping me out you continue to be an idiot. Unfortunately, you can't see that with you thinking with your little head instead of you big head. It's too bad you turned out to be a pompous ass instead of just a helping hand. Thanks for the laughs though. Like I said don't quit your day job, you're not funny enough for comedy.Boy you just don’t know what you are going to find when you try to help people? I’m being to think this guy’s cousin is “redneck mechanic from mi” or a 13 year old girl trolling this forum. It seems to me that this is like trying to teach this city slicker why you don’t transport bulls in the same trailer as fleshing heifers. Not only he doesn’t know how to hook up carb linkages, but have any clue how a help forum works. Do you think he would understand what to do if I posted a Briggs service manual for engines with models 5-22? I think he has the same linkage set as a model 7, but could be wrong, as it could be the same as a Fairbanks Morse hit-n-miss. Maybe if he’d learn how to resize a picture we would see exact what he has. Nor has he seen how foolish he looks each time he posts. Star, it seems like he likes you so I’ll back out of this thread and let you try to help him, unless he wants to continue his obnoxious rant against me
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CLStout
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I had a similar issue when I was replacing the carb on my 20hp Briggs and Stratton engine last summer. My issue was the throttle linkage was installed incorrectly at the choke lever. Assuming that your tractor has only a throttle/choke lever, there's 2 holes to attach the throttle cable to. I used the wrong one, which made it very difficult to start (I had to use starting fluid), and once it got running, it was at high idle, with no control. I should have taken a picture of the setup prior to changing out the carbs. Would have saved me a bunch of trouble.
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Rivets
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It’s been pointed out to me, by other service techs, that I’m wasting my time on this guy. He’s beyond help, so I’m going to stop posting, even if he continues to bad mouth me like someone trying to save face. Thank you to the techs who opened my eyes. Bye, Bye, Bye.
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Kirok
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Thanks for the reply. I have a similar setup. I only swapped the carb. There were two linkage rods. One for the choke and other for throttle. They went back on the same way they came off. For what ever reason the governor arm just holds the throttle linkage wide open.I had a similar issue when I was replacing the carb on my 20hp Briggs and Stratton engine last summer. My issue was the throttle linkage was installed incorrectly at the choke lever. Assuming that your tractor has only a throttle/choke lever, there's 2 holes to attach the throttle cable to. I used the wrong one, which made it very difficult to start (I had to use starting fluid), and once it got running, it was at high idle, with no control. I should have taken a picture of the setup prior to changing out the carbs.
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There's a lever with a spring attached located below the carb. That's the linkage that I had installed incorrectly. There should be 2 holes in the choke lever. I used the wrong one. I had the same symptoms as you did. That's when I finally figured I installed the choke linkage incorrectly. This may be your issue, too.
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Could it be the wrong carb? If I remember correctly, there were 2 carbs listed, 1 for a manual choke and 1 for the automatic choke.
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Kirok
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Kirok
Yeah they are right. You think I want to have you constantly flap your gums. I'm not looking for a debate, I'm looking for a solution to my problem. Instead of being part of the solution, you have become part of the problem. Do me a favor? Crawl back into whatever grease hole you came out of and let someone else take the turn. Beat it will ya!It’s been pointed out to me, by other service techs, that I’m wasting my time on this guy. He’s beyond help, so I’m going to stop posting, even if he continues to bad mouth me like someone trying to save face. Thank you to the techs who opened my eyes. Bye, Bye, Bye.
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Kirok
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No I have the right carb. It's seems to be the governor or governor adjustment.. Drilling down with that kind of stuff isn't in my wheelhouse. Figure I would get some feedback from this forum. Even Startech stated that some carbs require linkage adjustments after installation. I thought it would be a one and done kind of thingCould it be the wrong carb? If I remember correctly, there were 2 carbs listed, 1 for a manual choke and 1 for the automatic choke.
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CLStout
Maybe you should compare the carbs. It's what helped me to figure it out. Just look at the carb choke levers and see if they are identical.
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CLStout
I have the same model engine. It took me a while to figure it out, as the butterflies were staying open, even when it was cool. I thought I had it set up correctly, but I was wrong. The new carb I got just wouldn't work properly, so I cleaned up the old one inside and out, and reinstalled it. It idles better and starts quicker. I contacted the seller, who said it was the correct part number. Once I looked closely at the choke lever I could see the difference. I could modify the new carb by using the choke lever and spring from the old carb, but it wasn't an issue once I got the old carb cleaned and reinstalled. I kept the other carb in case I need a new one in the future. All I will need to do is switch the choke lever and spring.No I have the right carb. It's seems to be the governor or governor adjustment.. Drilling down with that kind of stuff isn't in my wheelhouse. Figure I would get some feedback from this forum. Even Startech stated that some carbs require linkage adjustments after installation. I thought it would be a one and done kind of thing
Maybe you should compare the carbs. It's what helped me to figure it out. Just look at the carb choke levers and see if they are identical.
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I will definitely do that. Very much appreciate your feedback. It may be exactly what you are saying. Like the saying measure twice cut once. I may have overlooked something.I have the same model engine. It took me a while to figure it out, as the butterflies were staying open, even when it was cool. I thought I had it set up correctly, but I was wrong. The new carb I got just wouldn't work properly, so I cleaned up the old one inside and out, and reinstalled it. It idles better and starts quicker. I contacted the seller, who said it was the correct part number. Once I looked closely at the choke lever I could see the difference. I could modify the new carb by using the choke lever and spring from the old carb, but it wasn't an issue once I got the old carb cleaned and reinstalled. I kept the other carb in case I need a new one in the future. All I will need to do is switch the choke lever and spring.
Maybe you should compare the carbs. It's what helped me to figure it out. Just look at the carb choke levers and see if they are identical.
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At least he didn't go all "Will Smith" on you!Politely ask? Holy crap you really are a front runner for a Darwin Award. I guess you must be thin skinned reading my original post. Can't seem to find anything impolite in it. Is this how you help people by insulting them right out of the gate? "COVID-19 has shut down all the psychic powers of all the techs on this forum"
Is that really how you start off by helping someone? Trust me it's all in the delivery and yours sucks. So yeah try again. Don't be a punk!
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A newbie! and sensitive at that... Everyone have a nice dayYour response has me wondering if you are just too young to understand what is needed to help people on this forum or have no clue as to what you are doing. You sound like someone who thinks the world revolves around you and we should do your bidding. Even when you’ve been asked to provide engine numbers, you would rather resort to act like a teenage who wants it their way and wants it now. If you do provide us with numbers I’m sure someone will bow to your stupidity and try to help you. When you grow up and act like a reasonable person you might get a little more respect, but not from me. I for one won’t waste my time or experience in giving you anything more than what you really deserve, a lesson from someone who is one step smarter than you. I can tell you there are two linkages on your unit, a throttle linkage connected to either the governor control or throttle plate and a choke linkage connected to the choke plate. Plus you will have a throttle control spring connected between the throttle plate and governor arm. I hope you a smart enough to understand this, or you’ve really got problems.
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I'm just trying to get a solution to my problem. Last thing I would want to do is bury myself. Though it may have come across as such. This guy Rivet just seemed to be more about his ego(my opinion) then giving me any real help.This post was painful to read. Wow!
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Who is sensitive MOFFIT? Listen I came here for help, not get into a pissing contest with anyone. Not sure why you seem to figure that someone looking for some help, you think it's OK for someone, in this case Rivet to act like a wise ass in the first reply. If I want funny I would join a joke forum. Make sense?A newbie! and sensitive at that... Everyone have a nice day
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A lot of these guys are paid Techs. They work at or run their own repair shops and take time out of their busy day to help people for Free.
It is a HUGE help when people post equipment ID numbers and especially pictures or videos of the problem. In our New Members section, there is a pinned topic with multiple ways to find your equipment numbers.
It is a HUGE help when people post equipment ID numbers and especially pictures or videos of the problem. In our New Members section, there is a pinned topic with multiple ways to find your equipment numbers.
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If Rivet just had of been straight forward in asking me for that info, I would have been more then happy to do so. I'm not going to question anyone's expertise. That is why I came to this forum, but his first reply was just the wrong approach. Trust me if you or anyone else went into some tech forum looking for help, because something you were doing wasn't in your wheelhouse and you got an opening smart ass answer, you would probably be kind of miffed. That's all it is in a nutshell.A lot of these guys are paid Techs. They work at or run their own repair shops and take time out of their busy day to help people for Free.
It is a HUGE help when people post equipment ID numbers and especially pictures or videos of the problem. In our New Members section, there is a pinned topic with multiple ways to find your equipment numbers.
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As Scrub said, all of these guys are very knowledgeable when it comes to small engines and equipment. They volunteer their services on this forum. I read and learn a lot on this forum though I mostly lurk rather that waste their time, which is what you are doing. Probably 95% of the first posters here don't supply the numbers or pics that are necessary to help you solve your problem. Remember, you asked them for help. I can tell you are inexperienced and new to this. I'm 70 years old and have done all the service on numerous lawn mowers, chain saws, edgers, weed eaters, motorcycles, automobiles and trucks etc. These guys all know a lot more than I do. God gave you 1 mouth and 2 ears because he expects you to listen twice as much as talk. Mouths are to ask questions and ears are to hear answers. That's how you learn. What was the first symptom that something was wrong with your mower. Running wide open from a faulty governor?
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At least,the WWotW is getting one monkey to help and advise her.
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SamB
I see a problem in this pic,this guy isn't getting any of the monkeys to help! (they are a lazy bunch!)
At least,the WWotW is getting one monkey to help and advise her.
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#41
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I can tell you it has nothing to do with ego. It has to do with the fact that we ask this question 50 times a day not only on here but also at our own shops. And you would not believe how many times people have absolutely no clue what they even have. Most even walk into the repair shop without a model number and then get upset because when we don't know what Kohler engine they have and can't find their part or even look up parts. or somebody will want help on their Briggs engine but after going back and forth and finally getting the model number found out it is a Tecumseh. So Rivets may of come across somewhat irritated when he responded but the truth is we deal with this every day and then people think we are cross sometimes. And the truth is after dealing with totally idiot customers everyday we have a right to be sarcastic and in some cases obnoxious. So if you don't like people having attitudes sometimes that is unfortunate.. But I would restrain from continuing the personal attacks on Rivets before you get in trouble resulting in suspension or banned. And by the way most of the pro techs have put you on ignore or have walked away from you.I'm just trying to get a solution to my problem. Last thing I would want to do is bury myself. Though it may have come across as such. This guy Rivet just seemed to be more about his ego(my opinion) then giving me any real help.
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Muddy51 I have no issue with the expertise of anyone on this forum. I am no small engine expert. I know enough to get me in trouble. Maybe I can explain it this way. So I install CCTV systems. I'm pretty good at what I do like the guys on this forum. I install all types of cameras from the kinds you see in banks to cameras that some of the guys here probably have in the shops. So if say Rivet has one of his important cameras lose video. He can do one or two things. One he can call Joe camera guy to come do a service call which will cost $200. So say Joe finds the camera is kaput. So Joe camera guy gives Rivet an estimate of $700 to install new camera plus labor. So Rivet is in for almost a grand to replace the camera. So Rivet decides to find a forum with the subject matter being cameras. He signs up and starts a thread stating he has a camera that has no video and would like some help figuring out what it is? Kirok who is a subject matter expert with cameras is the first to reply. Two ways Kirok replies." We are not mind readers on this forum and we can't help you with what you are telling us." Kind of rude. Kirok could also reply this way, "so we'd like to help you, but we need more information about the camera" Much better way to ask. How would anyone on this forum reply back to Kirok on the first reply example? You'd probably tell Kirok to go F himself. God may have given me ears and a mouth. He also gave me a brain and the smarts to know when someone is being a punk. That's what Rivet was. If he asked like in my second example, you and I would not be having this exchange. Instead, I would have given Rivet all the info he needed. Again it's all in the delivery and Rivet delivered with a smart ass remark.As Scrub said, all of these guys are very knowledgeable when it comes to small engines and equipment. They volunteer their services on this forum. I read and learn a lot on this forum though I mostly lurk rather that waste their time, which is what you are doing. Probably 95% of the first posters here don't supply the numbers or pics that are necessary to help you solve your problem. Remember, you asked them for help. I can tell you are inexperienced and new to this. I'm 70 years old and have done all the service on numerous lawn mowers, chain saws, edgers, weed eaters, motorcycles, automobiles and trucks etc. These guys all know a lot more than I do. God gave you 1 mouth and 2 ears because he expects you to listen twice as much as talk. Mouths are to ask questions and ears are to hear answers. That's how you learn. What was the first symptom that something was wrong with your mower. Running wide open from a faulty governor?
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I have to agree that new members simply don't understand that we need specific model information. I get the same thing here in my shop. It does seem like I explain the need until I am blue in the face. These are very same that goes to an auto parts store as say I got Chevy and I need a timing chain. They get all the same questions; just for different line of equipment.
Now Rivets is a diamond in the rough in my opinion as he has nearly bitten off my head a few times too. I actually ignored him for a couple months as I was irritated by him.
What really irritates me is when I need help and there is no one that is experience in the problem I have. I basically just quit asking my questions on my internal problems at my shop.
Now Rivets is a diamond in the rough in my opinion as he has nearly bitten off my head a few times too. I actually ignored him for a couple months as I was irritated by him.
What really irritates me is when I need help and there is no one that is experience in the problem I have. I basically just quit asking my questions on my internal problems at my shop.
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I am done with Rivets. If Rivets has a short wick because he can't handle something, then that's on Rivets. I didn't do anything wrong out of the gate in asking for help. Irritated or not, no one has the right to be rude to someone who doesn't have the skill set or working knowledge that you guys have. I deal with idiot customers everyday too in what I do. I'm never rude to them because they don't ask a question the right way. At least they are asking questions because they want to learn. If I answered their questions the way Rivets initially answered mine, I wouldn't have too much of a customer base. That is a fact. I also can't control what the other techs do. If they ignore me or walk away, then again that's on them. Again I simply came here for help from you guys and not argue with the entire forum.I can tell you it has nothing to do with ego. It has to do with the fact that we ask this question 50 times a day not only on here but also at our own shops. And you would not believe how many times people have absolutely no clue what they even have. Most even walk into the repair shop without a model number and then get upset because when we don't know what Kohler engine they have and can't find their part or even look up parts. or somebody will want help on their Briggs engine but after going back and forth and finally getting the model number found out it is a Tecumseh. So Rivets may of come across somewhat irritated when he responded but the truth is we deal with this every day and then people think we are cross sometimes. And the truth is after dealing with totally idiot customers everyday we have a right to be sarcastic and in some cases obnoxious. So if you don't like people having attitudes sometimes that is unfortunate.. But I would restrain from continuing the personal attacks on Rivets before you get in trouble resulting in suspension or banned. And by the way most of the pro techs have put you on ignore or have walked away from you.
#45
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That's what happens with some customers. I install cameras. Say I installed a system in your shop. You could ask me a question about how it operates. I can explain how it works seven ways to Sunday, but if you still don't get it, I can't be rude to you. I just have be patient and work with you until you get it. If Rivets is rough around the edges, then maybe the administrators of this forum need to let him know to cool his jets on how he replies. Especially to Newbies like myself.I have to agree that new members simply don't understand that we need specific model information. I get the same thing here in my shop. It does seem like I explain the need until I am blue in the face. These are very same that goes to an auto parts store as say I got Chevy and I need a timing chain. They get all the same questions; just for different line of equipment.
Now Rivets is a diamond in the rough in my opinion as he has nearly bitten off my head a few times too. I actually ignored him for a couple months as I was irritated by him.
What really irritates me is when I need help and there is no one that is experience in the problem I have. I basically just quit asking my questions on my internal problems at my shop.
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What I think is humour others think is an insult .so I don't bother any more .
I find any refference to God extreamly offensive as being a scientist and having done post graduate research in mind manipulation I believe all religions are massive scams
But if you want to say "god bless " because I have fixed your problem I just grin & bear it because that is the way we should behave in a civilised society .
And if you want to attribute your success with what I told you to "god" then that is your problem not mine .
Now if we were to couch every replay in a manner that would not be able to be made to be offensive to every person who might read the responces then every reply would be 10,000 words long.
If you find Rivets offensive then the right thing to do is for you to use the "ignore" function
You can do the same to me if it makes you feel good
FWIW currently I have quite a few people on the ignore list because I don't have the time to argue with morons .
You are no more important than any one else
So no the moderators do not need to pull any one back in line unless they are contravining the forum rules
If you don't like any ones attitude then just hit the ignore button unless you have never grown past the throwing a tantrum stage .
Now we could just post
Make?
Model ?
serial ?
and at times I have done just that
And believe it or not even this has gotten angry replied from the poster
You can not please every body
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The question is what is rude or offensive to you and is the same rude & offensive to me ?Muddy51 I have no issue with the expertise of anyone on this forum. I am no small engine expert. I know enough to get me in trouble. Maybe I can explain it this way. So I install CCTV systems. I'm pretty good at what I do like the guys on this forum. I install all types of cameras from the kinds you see in banks to cameras that some of the guys here probably have in the shops. So if say Rivet has one of his important cameras lose video. He can do one or two things. One he can call Joe camera guy to come do a service call which will cost $200. So say Joe finds the camera is kaput. So Joe camera guy gives Rivet an estimate of $700 to install new camera plus labor. So Rivet is in for almost a grand to replace the camera. So Rivet decides to find a forum with the subject matter being cameras. He signs up and starts a thread stating he has a camera that has no video and would like some help figuring out what it is? Kirok who is a subject matter expert with cameras is the first to reply. Two ways Kirok replies." We are not mind readers on this forum and we can't help you with what you are telling us." Kind of rude. Kirok could also reply this way, "so we'd like to help you, but we need more information about the camera" Much better way to ask. How would anyone on this forum reply back to Kirok on the first reply example? You'd probably tell Kirok to go F himself. God may have given me ears and a mouth. He also gave me a brain and the smarts to know when someone is being a punk. That's what Rivet was. If he asked like in my second example, you and I would not be having this exchange. Instead, I would have given Rivet all the info he needed. Again it's all in the delivery and Rivet delivered with a smart ass remark.
What I think is humour others think is an insult .so I don't bother any more .
I find any refference to God extreamly offensive as being a scientist and having done post graduate research in mind manipulation I believe all religions are massive scams
But if you want to say "god bless " because I have fixed your problem I just grin & bear it because that is the way we should behave in a civilised society .
And if you want to attribute your success with what I told you to "god" then that is your problem not mine .
Now if we were to couch every replay in a manner that would not be able to be made to be offensive to every person who might read the responces then every reply would be 10,000 words long.
If you find Rivets offensive then the right thing to do is for you to use the "ignore" function
You can do the same to me if it makes you feel good
FWIW currently I have quite a few people on the ignore list because I don't have the time to argue with morons .
You are no more important than any one else
So no the moderators do not need to pull any one back in line unless they are contravining the forum rules
If you don't like any ones attitude then just hit the ignore button unless you have never grown past the throwing a tantrum stage .
Now we could just post
Make?
Model ?
serial ?
and at times I have done just that
And believe it or not even this has gotten angry replied from the poster
You can not please every body
#47
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StarTech
OR could brought some WI-FI range extenders that the company has no idea how setup the product they made. O got two 1/4 extenders that are totally useless because I can't get the company to give the system password.
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I'm with you. Religions are all a scam. I do believe in a higher power though. Maybe not God as religions see him. I have no intention of pushing "ignore" to anyone. I am also not here to debate or argue about anything I know little to nothing about. I'm just trying to resolve my issue and if I can learn from the guys here, then bonus.The question is what is rude or offensive to you and is the same rude & offensive to me ?
What I think is humour others think is an insult .so I don't bother any more .
I find any refference to God extreamly offensive as being a scientist and having done post graduate research in mind manipulation I believe all religions are massive scams
But if you want to say "god bless " because I have fixed your problem I just grin & bear it because that is the way we should behave in a civilised society .
And if you want to attribute your success with what I told you to "god" then that is your problem not mine .
Now if we were to couch every replay in a manner that would not be able to be made to be offensive to every person who might read the responces then every reply would be 10,000 words long.
If you find Rivets offensive then the right thing to do is for you to use the "ignore" function
You can do the same to me if it makes you feel good
FWIW currently I have quite a few people on the ignore list because I don't have the time to argue with morons .
You are no more important than any one else
So no the moderators do not need to pull any one back in line unless they are contravining the forum rules
If you don't like any ones attitude then just hit the ignore button unless you have never grown past the throwing a tantrum stage .
Now we could just post
Make?
Model ?
serial ?
and at times I have done just that
And believe it or not even this has gotten angry replied from the poster
You can not please every body
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I agree with you. This guy Rivets is an ignorant condescending know it all asshole.Don't quit your day job bud, cause you are a legend in your own mind when it comes to your comedic genius quick wit.
#50
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let's all take a deep breath, or two.
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Come on guys! Put them back into your britches and lets move on please? This pissing contest is silly and immature. Rivets, I respect your knowledge and willingness to help, and Kirok, you could have handled this a bit better also. So what do you say fellas? Please?Boy you just don’t know what you are going to find when you try to help people? I’m being to think this guy’s cousin is “redneck mechanic from mi” or a 13 year old girl trolling this forum. It seems to me that this is like trying to teach this city slicker why you don’t transport bulls in the same trailer as fleshing heifers. Not only he doesn’t know how to hook up carb linkages, but have any clue how a help forum works. Do you think he would understand what to do if I posted a Briggs service manual for engines with models 5-22? I think he has the same linkage set as a model 7, but could be wrong, as it could be the same as a Fairbanks Morse hit-n-miss. Maybe if he’d learn how to resize a picture we would see exact what he has. Nor has he seen how foolish he looks each time he posts. Star, it seems like he likes you so I’ll back out of this thread and let you try to help him, unless he wants to continue his obnoxious rant against me
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If the OP would post some images of the problem area would help to id the problem, maybe.
StarTech
Totally agree. Personally I am staying out this one.Come on guys! Put them back into your britches and lets move on please? This pissing contest is silly and immature. Rivets, I respect your knowledge and willingness to help, and Kirok, you could have handled this a bit better also. So what do you say fellas? Please?
If the OP would post some images of the problem area would help to id the problem, maybe.
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I will try again to post some pics later todayTotally agree. Personally I am staying out this one.
If the OP would post some images of the problem area would help to id the problem, maybe.
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he hasn't posted photos yet. That request was Saturday morning. It is now the following Thursday afternoon.
#57
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Yes it's in the linkage. It looks like a new spring kit or throttle/choke cable or both.Kirok, did you ever get it figured out?
#59
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I was brand new to mowers 11 years ago when I bought the repair run
While I knew engines inside out, all the rest of the bits were new to me
So apart from spending 10 hours a night watching U-tube videos I joined just about every mower forum on the web ( there are a lot of them )
I only activily post on 4 of them as I am considered unAmerican , communist & even worse to some forums unchristian.
However what I have notice is ay least 1/3 of the people who post here also post the same problem on all of them and probably 20 face book groups as well because they are the most important person on the planet so if he wants to go then well & good
While I knew engines inside out, all the rest of the bits were new to me
So apart from spending 10 hours a night watching U-tube videos I joined just about every mower forum on the web ( there are a lot of them )
I only activily post on 4 of them as I am considered unAmerican , communist & even worse to some forums unchristian.
However what I have notice is ay least 1/3 of the people who post here also post the same problem on all of them and probably 20 face book groups as well because they are the most important person on the planet so if he wants to go then well & good
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" I am considered unAmerican , communist & even worse to some forums unchristian."
Not in my book,bertsmobile1,you're more like your title under your name. ?
Not in my book,bertsmobile1,you're more like your title under your name. ?
#61
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I don't watch youtube videos as most are unless hacks. And I am not very active on any forums when comes to asking for help as most can't help on my problems. I have to figure it out on my own by looking at the IPLs.
I help here just to keep up on my research skills.
I help here just to keep up on my research skills.
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I posted only to this forum. For me, I just wanted to get some advice from guys who knew more then I did. After all, you guys see this stuff day in and day out. I may, out of the box didn't furnish enough info for someone to help me, but to my defense, when someone starts off with a punk ass remark, well it's on like Donkey Kong. Like I have posted previously, I didn't come here to debate about or argue about whose dick is bigger. I sply came here to get help for my issue. Now, I am obviously not the first guy to getI was brand new to mowers 11 years ago when I bought the repair run
While I knew engines inside out, all the rest of the bits were new to me
So apart from spending 10 hours a night watching U-tube videos I joined just about every mower forum on the web ( there are a lot of them )
I only activily post on 4 of them as I am considered unAmerican , communist & even worse to some forums unchristian.
However what I have notice is ay least 1/3 of the people who post here also post the same problem on all of them and probably 20 face book groups as well because they are the most important person on the planet so if he wants to go then well & good
So this weekend I was going to order a new throttle cable and a spring kit. Well I was surfing through YouTube and behold I came across a video with a guy who had the same exact problem. He had a link to the actual cause. Well of course it wasn't good. I'm assuming this guy was well versed in small engines. So he had the engine apart and he showed the internal governor parts all broken. He said it was a $100+ in parts. Not sure what labor would be on something like that? Anyway, not sure what I want to do on this one? Send it to a small engine guy for repair or just go buy another mower?I don't watch youtube videos as most are unless hacks. And I am not very active on any forums when comes to asking for help as most can't help on my problems. I have to figure it out on my own by looking at the IPLs.
I help here just to keep up on my research skills.
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As I posted before Kirok
What you consider to be a smart ares comment , others consider as funny .
However when one is asking for free help from people who make their living by charging people for the same information it is not a good idea to go on the offensive
Biting the tounge is always better option
When I have taken up a posting , if the person does not do what is asked then I just go away
So you will see a lot of threads when I asked for model number or tasked the poster with some tests they did not bother reply to or do then I just stop posting on that thread .
Some times I will drop a
if you can't be bothered then I can be bothered either " line
That is not for the original poster but for other techs so they know I have given up
The regular techs have a sort of unwritten rule that when one takes up a post we mostly butt out .
This is because we all have different ways of doing the same thing and people not familiar with the gear find this confusing .
When some one starts to take a swing at any tech on here I refuse to give them any assistance either & most of the regular posting techs will do the same .
None of us expect posters to crawl or lick our butts however none of us tollerate abuse when none was warranted .
What you consider to be a smart ares comment , others consider as funny .
However when one is asking for free help from people who make their living by charging people for the same information it is not a good idea to go on the offensive
Biting the tounge is always better option
When I have taken up a posting , if the person does not do what is asked then I just go away
So you will see a lot of threads when I asked for model number or tasked the poster with some tests they did not bother reply to or do then I just stop posting on that thread .
Some times I will drop a
if you can't be bothered then I can be bothered either " line
That is not for the original poster but for other techs so they know I have given up
The regular techs have a sort of unwritten rule that when one takes up a post we mostly butt out .
This is because we all have different ways of doing the same thing and people not familiar with the gear find this confusing .
When some one starts to take a swing at any tech on here I refuse to give them any assistance either & most of the regular posting techs will do the same .
None of us expect posters to crawl or lick our butts however none of us tollerate abuse when none was warranted .
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Yeah...well how about someone like a tech who takes the first swing? See if you read my first post, you'd see I gave a general description of what I did and what the trouble condition was. Now I'm no small engine tech, so I'm not going to know right out of the box that I need to furnish model numbers etc. When Rivets who was the first to reply to my thread just had of stayed on point and simply asked me for the information he needed, I would have happily done so. Instead he opened with a smart ass remark , which I obviously didn't appreciate. So it was on. It's funny because I have seen replies where a couple of guys have had issues with Rivets. One guy calling him an asshole. So although you and a few others think I overreacted with Rivets, I disagree. The few other guys who didn't have good things to say about him kind of backs my point. Also, let's understand something. I do realize that techs take the time to help out in this forum. For those few who did help me, I am very grateful. Maybe it's a loyalty thing with you guys and that's fine, but when a "newbie", as I was/am, I'm not expecting to be chastised from the get go. That's something you would never do to a customer and although I'm not a customer I sure the hell don't expect it from a professional tech who volunteers their time to help those who have an issue and it may not be in their wheelhouse.As I posted before Kirok
What you consider to be a smart ares comment , others consider as funny .
However when one is asking for free help from people who make their living by charging people for the same information it is not a good idea to go on the offensive
Biting the tounge is always better option
When I have taken up a posting , if the person does not do what is asked then I just go away
So you will see a lot of threads when I asked for model number or tasked the poster with some tests they did not bother reply to or do then I just stop posting on that thread .
Some times I will drop a
if you can't be bothered then I can be bothered either " line
That is not for the original poster but for other techs so they know I have given up
The regular techs have a sort of unwritten rule that when one takes up a post we mostly butt out .
This is because we all have different ways of doing the same thing and people not familiar with the gear find this confusing .
When some one starts to take a swing at any tech on here I refuse to give them any assistance either & most of the regular posting techs will do the same .
None of us expect posters to crawl or lick our butts however none of us tollerate abuse when none was warranted .
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And this is the whole point that you apparently can not grasp.
Rivets first & second posts were not taking a swing at you.
It was just an attempt to get the basic information that we need in order to help you
The problem is YOU decided to take offence
If I had seen your post before Rivets did then you would have got
1) forums are like computers ,, garbage in = garbage out so post the make model & serial number of your engine and the same for what it is attached to won't hurt either .
If I had the time & there was not a lot happens that day
2) On models 987654321 the fractal valve often gets stuck / the smoke is obviously missing from the wires / on my 1918 B2 I found that ....... or something equally flippant If I am feeing in a mischevious mood
3) The Lord helps those who help themselves the rest of us need more information.....
4) Make ?
Model?
Serial ?
If I am a short on time , cranky or having internet problems
Now the difference between Rivets & me is when you came back with an insult aimed directly at him ( Don't quit your day job ) the only response you would have gotten from me was
Good buy & good luck there are people who want my help out there, you obviously don't .
Note YOU were not called any names and nothing was directed at YOU in person
So it was YOU who decided to take offence .
No one called YOU any names until you threw insults and even then the offer of help was there if you did what your were asked for .
No one picks a fight with me because after your second reply I hot link to your profile & hit the ignore button
My grandfather taught me never to argue with an idiot because they will drag the arguement down to their pathetic level then beat you by virtue of their greater experience at that level of stupidity.
So I just ignore & would have ignored you because with your attitude you are not worth the effort in my opinion .
However on the odd occasion that I have continued in a heated exchange then there would be plenty of other idiots to stand behind you because they think I am arrogant, nasty, communist , unchristian & unAmerican , all of which are totally wrong apart from being an sceptic bordering on athiest .
To which my reply is usually "despite what commonly thought by 4 year olds the 60,000,000 flies are all wrong and you should not eat schitt "
I seriously doubt that any of this will sink in but it needs to be said
The problem is in YOUR mind & YOUR mind alone .
If you get your jollies by finding reasons to be offended then you have my sympathies because you must live a really myserable life .
And with this, you go on my ignore list as well so feel free to rampage if it makes you feel like a real man because I will not see a word of it .
Rivets first & second posts were not taking a swing at you.
It was just an attempt to get the basic information that we need in order to help you
The problem is YOU decided to take offence
If I had seen your post before Rivets did then you would have got
1) forums are like computers ,, garbage in = garbage out so post the make model & serial number of your engine and the same for what it is attached to won't hurt either .
If I had the time & there was not a lot happens that day
2) On models 987654321 the fractal valve often gets stuck / the smoke is obviously missing from the wires / on my 1918 B2 I found that ....... or something equally flippant If I am feeing in a mischevious mood
3) The Lord helps those who help themselves the rest of us need more information.....
4) Make ?
Model?
Serial ?
If I am a short on time , cranky or having internet problems
Now the difference between Rivets & me is when you came back with an insult aimed directly at him ( Don't quit your day job ) the only response you would have gotten from me was
Good buy & good luck there are people who want my help out there, you obviously don't .
Note YOU were not called any names and nothing was directed at YOU in person
So it was YOU who decided to take offence .
No one called YOU any names until you threw insults and even then the offer of help was there if you did what your were asked for .
No one picks a fight with me because after your second reply I hot link to your profile & hit the ignore button
My grandfather taught me never to argue with an idiot because they will drag the arguement down to their pathetic level then beat you by virtue of their greater experience at that level of stupidity.
So I just ignore & would have ignored you because with your attitude you are not worth the effort in my opinion .
However on the odd occasion that I have continued in a heated exchange then there would be plenty of other idiots to stand behind you because they think I am arrogant, nasty, communist , unchristian & unAmerican , all of which are totally wrong apart from being an sceptic bordering on athiest .
To which my reply is usually "despite what commonly thought by 4 year olds the 60,000,000 flies are all wrong and you should not eat schitt "
I seriously doubt that any of this will sink in but it needs to be said
The problem is in YOUR mind & YOUR mind alone .
If you get your jollies by finding reasons to be offended then you have my sympathies because you must live a really myserable life .
And with this, you go on my ignore list as well so feel free to rampage if it makes you feel like a real man because I will not see a word of it .
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StarTech
Sometimes a person must admit they are in over their head on a project. Internet is great at times and not so much at other times. You have to take things in stride. When you are unfamiliar with the equipment does not help things. Even with my experience of working on equipment for 50 yrs there are things that I get lost on myself. Every piece of equipment can be unique. Asking for help at times is useless as most shops don't like having competition even they are overloaded on work.
It is like the Kawasaki FR730V I just wrote off. Customer brings in the ZTR with the engine running in one cylinder. First I find the ignition coil bad and then then two push rods bent. I assumed the valve had started sticking in the guides. So I ordered a head kit. Well Saturday I finally got to the engine. I pulled the head to only find the piston sitting proud of the cylinder. I turn the crankshaft and the piston didn't move I had at a broken rod. I pull the engine and tear down. Sure enough the rod is shattered. Upon closer inspection I find the piston shattered too along with in the side of cylinder block. Four hours wasted along with $300 in parts. At least I can still keep the head for later though #1 head seldom fails.
Did I go around pissing everyone off? No I just accepted it and moved on to the next project after giving the customer the bad news that he needs a new engine.
It been a bad start this year as I been cleaning out my bank account trying to repair things. I done spent nearly $6000 on parts that haven't been sold yet. It seems everything that comes in is a major problem. It like people picking up the rejects and expecting someone to repair them.
At least I work have of my work load in the last week. Most of following are awaiting parts. Those in progress are the ones I have just got parts in for.
It is like the Kawasaki FR730V I just wrote off. Customer brings in the ZTR with the engine running in one cylinder. First I find the ignition coil bad and then then two push rods bent. I assumed the valve had started sticking in the guides. So I ordered a head kit. Well Saturday I finally got to the engine. I pulled the head to only find the piston sitting proud of the cylinder. I turn the crankshaft and the piston didn't move I had at a broken rod. I pull the engine and tear down. Sure enough the rod is shattered. Upon closer inspection I find the piston shattered too along with in the side of cylinder block. Four hours wasted along with $300 in parts. At least I can still keep the head for later though #1 head seldom fails.
Did I go around pissing everyone off? No I just accepted it and moved on to the next project after giving the customer the bad news that he needs a new engine.
It been a bad start this year as I been cleaning out my bank account trying to repair things. I done spent nearly $6000 on parts that haven't been sold yet. It seems everything that comes in is a major problem. It like people picking up the rejects and expecting someone to repair them.
At least I work have of my work load in the last week. Most of following are awaiting parts. Those in progress are the ones I have just got parts in for.
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Bert if you have read any of the previous post, you would have seen that a couple of guys didn't have your take on Rivets. One guy even calling him an asshole(excuse my French). So no, I don't agree with you on your assessment of Rivets and myself or let me say, I agree to disagree.And this is the whole point that you apparently can not grasp.
Rivets first & second posts were not taking a swing at you.
It was just an attempt to get the basic information that we need in order to help you
The problem is YOU decided to take offence
If I had seen your post before Rivets did then you would have got
1) forums are like computers ,, garbage in = garbage out so post the make model & serial number of your engine and the same for what it is attached to won't hurt either .
If I had the time & there was not a lot happens that day
2) On models 987654321 the fractal valve often gets stuck / the smoke is obviously missing from the wires / on my 1918 B2 I found that ....... or something equally flippant If I am feeing in a mischevious mood
3) The Lord helps those who help themselves the rest of us need more information.....
4) Make ?
Model?
Serial ?
If I am a short on time , cranky or having internet problems
Now the difference between Rivets & me is when you came back with an insult aimed directly at him ( Don't quit your day job ) the only response you would have gotten from me was
Good buy & good luck there are people who want my help out there, you obviously don't .
Note YOU were not called any names and nothing was directed at YOU in person
So it was YOU who decided to take offence .
No one called YOU any names until you threw insults and even then the offer of help was there if you did what your were asked for .
No one picks a fight with me because after your second reply I hot link to your profile & hit the ignore button
My grandfather taught me never to argue with an idiot because they will drag the arguement down to their pathetic level then beat you by virtue of their greater experience at that level of stupidity.
So I just ignore & would have ignored you because with your attitude you are not worth the effort in my opinion .
However on the odd occasion that I have continued in a heated exchange then there would be plenty of other idiots to stand behind you because they think I am arrogant, nasty, communist , unchristian & unAmerican , all of which are totally wrong apart from being an sceptic bordering on athiest .
To which my reply is usually "despite what commonly thought by 4 year olds the 60,000,000 flies are all wrong and you should not eat schitt "
I seriously doubt that any of this will sink in but it needs to be said
The problem is in YOUR mind & YOUR mind alone .
If you get your jollies by finding reasons to be offended then you have my sympathies because you must live a really myserable life .
And with this, you go on my ignore list as well so feel free to rampage if it makes you feel like a real man because I will not see a word of it .