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#1

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biller

Murray 425001x8E. Blade brake arms (pad assembly) are no longer available. What type of glue would hold brake material on existing arms?


#2

sgkent

sgkent

biller said:
Murray 425001x8E. Blade brake arms (pad assembly) are no longer available. What type of glue would hold brake material on existing arms?
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what is the part number or photo of it etc


#3

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biller

Murray Part: 094047E701 & 094049E791. (Right and left).
The brake pad is attached to an arm with 2 screws and glue. The 2 screws alone don't hold the pad securely and it wears out fast [original lasted 16 years). I am using brake pad material as replacement (2 year life span), not sure if Murray used something special.


#4

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biller

Parts 27 & 12


#5

B

biller

Can't figure out how to get picture on here. Sorry.


#6

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Rivets

I suggest you take the brake material and arm to a good body shop. They will have the best glue available for jobs like this.


#7

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biller

I'll give it a try
Thanks.


#8

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Many years ago NAPA sold a tape that you baked in the oven at 400 degrees to bond clutch and brake linings. Doubt if they still sell it. There are a bunch of paint on adhesives out there.


#9

sgkent

sgkent

I get different part numbers when I look at the fiche

094049E701MA https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk...334524.m570.l1313&_odkw=94049E701MA&_osacat=0

094047E701MA https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=094047E701MA&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313

As to glue. Any shop that relines truck brakes and clutches will have both the glue and rivets that hold shoes on.


#10

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biller

sgkent said:
I get different part numbers when I look at the fiche

094049E701MA https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk...334524.m570.l1313&_odkw=94049E701MA&_osacat=0

094047E701MA https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=094047E701MA&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313

As to glue. Any shop that relines truck brakes and clutches will have both the glue and rivets that hold shoes on.
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#11

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biller

I would only need 5-6 drops of glue as the pads are 2 sq. in.each. Let me check out the brake shops. Thanks.


#12

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Freddie21

I have had a lot of luck using JB Weld and a couple pop rivets, or small bolts. If you using brake your own pads, make sure you counter sink the rivets, or bolt heads.


#13

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Gord Baker

sgkent said:
I get different part numbers when I look at the fiche

094049E701MA https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk...334524.m570.l1313&_odkw=94049E701MA&_osacat=0

094047E701MA https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=094047E701MA&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313

As to glue. Any shop that relines truck brakes and clutches will have both the glue and rivets that hold shoes on.
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Shops have NOT relined Brake shoes or Clutch discs in over 60 years!. Buy some rivets from perhaps a shoe repair place or just use countersunk pop rivets. You could try crazy glue. Clamp pieces in vise after application.


#14

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Chipg1956

Not true, brake linings for large trucks are still relined.


#15

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LMPPLUS

Use a good construction adhesive.


#16

grumpyunk

grumpyunk

Given how lightly the blade brakes are used, never going downhill on the I-55 with a trailer full of firewood... They should last a long time and the glue used likely does not have to be rated for high temperature.
I would get some epoxy or some filled-epoxy such as JB Weld and use that. Make sure the metal surface has some 'grit' to it and is not polished shiny smooth so the glue has something to adhere to. I would apply using clamps to hold the pads to the brake arms. If you don't have clamps, get an assortment of rubber bands, and use as many as you think necessary. As long as the pads are held against the arm surface reasonably, the glue will set up and likely hold them just fine. This is not a high-temperature heavy-duty application. The heat generated is nothing like that of a truck or car brake system. The pads are applied for very few seconds compared to vehicle brakes, and at long separated intervals.
tom


#17

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kjonxx

biller said:
Murray 425001x8E. Blade brake arms (pad assembly) are no longer available. What type of glue would hold brake material on existing arms?
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Gorilla glue, works on my ariens rm830 blade brake.


#18

jes_in_sac

jes_in_sac

For my old Craftsman LT1000 I've used on the farm for 20 yrs, I scored some old worn auto brake pads with a cutoff wheel on a grinder to the size of the OEM "pads" on the mower, used a chisel to remove the cut pad piece from the metal backing, then glued them on with JB Weld. They have worked for many years.


#19

sgkent

sgkent

jes_in_sac said:
For my old Craftsman LT1000 I've used on the farm for 20 yrs, I scored some old worn auto brake pads with a cutoff wheel on a grinder to the size of the OEM "pads" on the mower, used a chisel to remove the cut pad piece from the metal backing, then glued them on with JB Weld. They have worked for many years.
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make sure that there is no asbestos dust when you do that or your $50 saving may cost your life, or anyone else exposed.


#20

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biller

sgkent said:
make sure that there is no asbestos dust when you do that or your $50 saving may cost your life, or anyone else exposed.
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#21

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biller

Thanks for all the suggestions y'all. Will pull deck off this weekend and "reline" the brakes.


#22

grumpyunk

grumpyunk

If you search for 'how much exposure to asbestos is dangerous' or similar, you will find that a one-time exposure is not considered dangerous. Of course it is best to avoid the dust, and every effort should be made within reason to avoid any exposure. I can attest to having been exposed to brake shoe dust a few times when shoes were arced to match the drum diameter, and also shipboard working on a WWII DD boiler service and when asbestos lagging was being removed and have wondered if/when I would become ill. I figure by now, 50-60 years on, it's not gonna happen. FWIW.


#23

StarTech

StarTech

Most modern brake linings contains no asbestos. It mostly antique vechile with original brake linings that would have it.


#24

grumpyunk

grumpyunk

StarTech said:
Most modern brake linings contains no asbestos. It mostly antique vechile with original brake linings that would have it.
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The shoes I arced would have been for mid-1950s cars. I think they had asbestos as part of their friction material. Long after, I heard of the potential problems. I think most mesothelioma patients were exposed over a long time, regularly. At least I hope so, not to wish it upon anyone.


#25

StarTech

StarTech

Then asbestos would be present unless the brake linings were after 1970's. They started switching over to organics back in the 1980's.

And the first linings back then gave a lot sticking problems when the parking brakes, clutches, and waste gates were left applied over time. My 1986 Sundance would have both the clutch disc and waste gate to stick if I didn't drive for two weeks. Brake k\linings have now improved a lot.


#26

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

If you wanted to see women freaking out. My son's 5rh grade science project was a process where we took old wheel weights and melted them down and casted fishing jigs. OMG he touched lead! The female teachers lost their crap. The male principal asked if we sold them and wanted to buy some.


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