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#1

Ric

Ric

Just an Article I found online I thought mite be Interesting to some people considering buying a mower from one of the big Box Stores

Should You Buy John Deere Mowers at Box Stores?



Article Update

This has been a popular article for quite some time. I wanted to update it and respond to some of the comments that have been left about my take on things. More specifically I want to comment about some of the confusion in the comments. It is true that some of the Box Stores sell some of the same exact models that you can find at the John Deere dealers. It's龍 also true that some of the models at the box stores are made specifically for them with different specifications. Regardless of how you feel on the topic the main point of the article is this, you get what you pay for, nothing more, nothing less.
Buying John Deere Mowers

You see the ads every Sunday from your local Big Box Stores? you know the ones, the orange place and the blue place. They advertise a brand new John Deere mower at a price point comparable to brands with far less reputation.
Like you I was amazed that they could sell the thing for such a great price. The John Deere 42″ X300 shown in the adjacent photo retails for $3,099.99. The John Deere BG20444 (sometimes also sold as the LA105) shown in the photo below retails for $1,499.00. The BG20444 is a model sold exclusively at Home Depot.
Apples To Apples?




Both of these are John Deere 42″ mowers. The one from HD is a model manufactured exclusively for HD. Here's where the problem starts. The big box stores have made deals with manufactures to supply exclusive products at attractive price points. I know there are many people who will argue this fact and say there is no difference. However, go to the John Deere site and search for Model BG20444, you will not find it. You will find the LA105 which is a similar tractor but the BG20444 was manufactured specifically for HD.
Whether you agree or disagree with this argument is really no big deal. What is a big deal is paying attention to specifications and truly understanding what you're about to buy. The reality is that high end brands (like John Deere and many others) have jumped on the big box store wagon and started manufacturing lower price point products so they don't miss out on sales. The old saying holds true, you get what you paid for.
I bring this up because I've had the pleasure of speaking with some John Deere dealers that are frustrated with the results of this practice. They end up seeing the customers when something breaks or doesn't work correctly anymore. The number of John Deere mowers now sold in this Country is huge because of the lower price points. However, the lower price (lower quality ?) mowers are far more prone to break down and suffer from wear and tear. The cheaper models show up in their repair shops repeatedly for worn out and broken parts. When they explain to the customer that there is a huge difference between a lower priced model purchased at the big box store and a upgraded model they might find at a dealer the customer has a hard time understanding.
The big box stores and manufacturers (yes I blame them both!) play some interesting games with the specifications to trick the average Joe. For instance, the two models I've compared here do not have the same size engine. In fact, the cheaper model has a larger motor, 19.5 HP, while the X300 only has a 17 HP engine. So an unsuspecting customer might stop right there and think the larger motor and cheaper price must mean he's getting a better deal. The reality is the bigger motor isn't as nice as the smaller motor and the rest of the machine is no where as good quality (plastic parts, thinner metal frames, etc).
When I purchased my X300 the dealer was pretty blunt with me. He said listen, if you want to buy half the machine then we蛟、l sell you one of those or go back down the hill to the orange building and get one. But make sure you save the other $1,400 because you'll need it repairing the cheaper model. I'm no dummy and I know that you get what you pay for so it wasn't a hard decision for me.
The bottom line is this, if you see something that seems too good to be true, IT IS! Please understand how these franchises are operating in this country and do your research before you make a major purchase and find yourself unsatisfied later. Secondly, don't blame the repair man for the expensive frequent repairs if you choose the cheaper model. I'd like to say that I believe the blame goes to John Deere and the big box stores for reducing their quality to make a sale. However, I understand that the market place is a tough place to survive.


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#2

S

SeniorCitizen

QUOTE: " go to the John Deere site and search for Model BG20444, you will not find it. You will find the LA105 which is a similar tractor but the BG20444 was manufactured specifically for HD".
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The author says the two tractors ( BG20444 and LA105 ) are similar. He is insinuating they are different but he never reveals the differences and wanders of on the subject of comparing the LA105 to the X300. He needs to tell us the differences or shut up.


#3

Ric

Ric

He actually does tell you some of the differences when he compares the other two mowers, I would guess that the differences would be the same in or for both.


#4

K

KDL

I have looked at the mowers at Home Depot but after another issue with something from the big box stores I am far more leery of buying higher end things at such a place, the service seems better at a dealer.


#5

173abn

173abn

I was in my J.D. dealer one day getting parts for my 111 and this guy came in wanting his mower fixed,when he said he bought it at H.D. the dealer said he would'nt touch it. Don't know if that's SOP for all JD dealers but it's something to think about before you buy. russ


#6

K

KDL

I bought something else from Home Depot and it was under warranty and had trouble finding someone to fix it, they kept rattling something about the crap Home Depot sells.


#7

S

SeniorCitizen

I was in my J.D. dealer one day getting parts for my 111 and this guy came in wanting his mower fixed,when he said he bought it at H.D. the dealer said he would'nt touch it. Don't know if that's SOP for all JD dealers but it's something to think about before you buy. russ
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I wouldn't want a dealer with an attitude working on my mower.

That type of dealer will discriminate between someone who bought an X300 from him vs say a X700. Happens every day.


#8

briggs

briggs

not a box store fan


#9

H

Honey

I think I would rather Craigslist, at least that way you expect the worst, you would think that some places would offer better quality products than what they are selling.


#10

serelaw

serelaw

Look at all the money the dealer turns down because of attitude.
Dealer must be rolling in it.
I would think the cheaper mowers he fixes would come in sooner and more often.
Shop rates and all, Why would he not make more money and have a chance to build a larger customer base?
Oh yea, he can afford to turn the work down. Or maybe he just likes to complain.
Newspapers are failing all over the country.
Magazines are down. Drive in movies are gone. Theaters are failing.
Pretty obvious every nickle counts. Yet dealers bitch moan whine snivel and complain
about the big box stores. I heard the same crap back in the 50's and 60's when Pennys and
Sears were "Wiping out the neighborhood family business".
What did yogi say?


#11

Ric

Ric

For crying out loud, is this forum getting so bad we have to pull up some threads that are 5 yrs old to talk about :smiley_aafz:


#12

serelaw

serelaw

LOL Are you a dealer? haha
And anyway , where is it written that anyone can't post in any thread?


#13

M

motoman

Years ago when shopping for a rider I went into a JD dealer. The impression was a staff with a puffed up ego . Reminds me of an upscale car dealer sneering at Kia's. But then :laughing: I bought a craftsman (that part is ok) with an Intek (that WAS not ok, but IS now ok after fixing and cooling it). So go figure. My recollection at Sears was disbelief by the salesman that I would not buy a maintenance agreement. ( Did he know something??)


#14

Ric

Ric

Years ago when shopping for a rider I went into a JD dealer. The impression was a staff with a puffed up ego . Reminds me of an upscale car dealer sneering at Kia's. But then :laughing: I bought a craftsman (that part is ok) with an Intek (that WAS not ok, but IS now ok after fixing and cooling it). So go figure. My recollection at Sears was disbelief by the salesman that I would not buy a maintenance agreement. ( Did he know something??)


Ya'll are aware that you're responding to a thread is from September 2010 right??


#15

H

hntrsr

Look at all the money the dealer turns down because of attitude.
Dealer must be rolling in it.
I would think the cheaper mowers he fixes would come in sooner and more often.
Shop rates and all, Why would he not make more money and have a chance to build a larger customer base?
Oh yea, he can afford to turn the work down. Or maybe he just likes to complain.
Newspapers are failing all over the country.
Magazines are down. Drive in movies are gone. Theaters are failing.
Pretty obvious every nickle counts. Yet dealers bitch moan whine snivel and complain
about the big box stores. I heard the same crap back in the 50's and 60's when Pennys and
Sears were "Wiping out the neighborhood family business".
What did yogi say?

Dealer loves Mowers not business!!!!!!


#16

serelaw

serelaw

Just an Article I found online I thought mite be Interesting to some people considering buying a mower from one of the big Box Stores

Should You Buy John Deere Mowers at Box Stores?


Come on Ric,

A topic you brought up 3.5 years or so ago still has legs
and is interesting today. Until lawn equipment is not needed
people are still considering where to purchase it.
Maybe a sticky could be started and the pro's and cons could be weighed and counted.

What did yogi say? Answer below.
Déja› vu all over again.

Déja› vu, (/ˌdeɪjaɑː ˈvuː/) from French, literally "already seen", is the phenomenon of having the strong sensation that an event or experience currently being experienced has been experienced in the past, whether it has actually happened or not.


#17

djdicetn

djdicetn

Just an Article I found online I thought mite be Interesting to some people considering buying a mower from one of the big Box Stores

Should You Buy John Deere Mowers at Box Stores?


Come on Ric,

A topic you brought up 3.5 years or so ago still has legs
and is interesting today. Until lawn equipment is not needed
people are still considering where to purchase it.
Maybe a sticky could be started and the pro's and cons could be weighed and counted.

What did yogi say? Answer below.
D駛a vu all over again.

D駛a vu, (/ˌdeɪjaɑː ˈvuː/) from French, literally "already seen", is the phenomenon of having the strong sensation that an event or experience currently being experienced has been experienced in the past, whether it has actually happened or not.
Well, I would say the same thing today as I would have said when Ric started this thread. I totally agree that JD's at the big box stores are made from cheaper components than a similar machine at a JD dealer. If you don't have the money to go to the dealer and buy one you don't need a John Deere lawn mower!! That being said, I would not buy a Toro, Hustler or Husqvarna at Lowes or Home Depot either. Big box store purchase = big pain in the rear should you need it serviced!!!


#18

Nwatson99

Nwatson99

For crying out loud, is this forum getting so bad we have to pull up some threads that are 5 yrs old to talk about :smiley_aafz:
Chill out brother, activity is activity it happens all the time on my site as well as many other sites.


Well, I would say the same thing today as I would have said when Ric started this thread. I totally agree that JD's at the big box stores are made from cheaper components than a similar machine at a JD dealer. If you don't have the money to go to the dealer and buy one you don't need a John Deere lawn mower!! That being said, I would not buy a Toro, Hustler or Husqvarna at Lowes or Home Depot either. Big box store purchase = big pain in the rear should you need it serviced!!!
I agree 100%, my neighbor has a Lowes John Deere and if it was not for the color of the paint no one would know or even consider it was a JD, the steel bar around the bottom of my 7 Iron deck could built his entire deck feels like and that mower will get stuck on a dirt clod.
The big box stores just sale el-cheapo to the suburbians so they can say they have a mower, quality wise it is not there, but with the size of the yards in most suburbs those little toys will last for years since it is used maybe 30 minutes to an hour per week.


#19

M

Mikel1

I bought a Lowes JD a few years ago and have had no problems with it. The inspection sticker on the back is of a JD dealer in the city where that Lowes is at. My yard takes 2hrs and 30 minutes to cut. This reminds me of a large archery forum I go to, don't go to Cabelas or BPS to buy a bow, pay more for the same bow at a dealer.


#20

Ric

Ric

Chill out brother, activity is activity it happens all the time on my site as well as many other sites.

Apparently your smoking something you shouldn't be because I'm not your brother1225.gifso I'd appreciate you not calling me that. and what other site are you talking about??


#21

M

motoman

Ric, mellow out. You should feel pride in creating a classic thread. If you were a pop music diva , you'd be a millionaire!!:laughing:


#22

Nwatson99

Nwatson99

Apparently your smoking something you shouldn't be because I'm not your brotherView attachment 20989so I'd appreciate you not calling me that. and what other site are you talking about??

No problem just an expression, hope the PMS goes away soon, maybe find some midol or something.
Many other sites, you are that sheltered you only hang out here and never seen old topics get new posts.


#23

Ric

Ric

it happens all the time on my site as well as many other sites.

No problem just an expression, hope the PMS goes away soon, maybe find some midol or something.
Many other sites, you are that sheltered you only hang out here and never seen old topics get new posts.


Wait a minute, you said it happens all the time on my site. I just wanted to what your site was. So do you have your own site or was that just another expression?


#24

Nwatson99

Nwatson99

Wait a minute, you said it happens all the time on my site. I just wanted to what your site was. So do you have your own site or was that just another expression?

Nope I own a website, my own server, etc and it happens on it all the time.
I also help admin a few other sites which are related to firearms, hunting, etc.


#25

Carscw

Carscw

Chill out brother, activity is activity it happens all the time on my site as well as many other sites. I agree 100%, my neighbor has a Lowes John Deere and if it was not for the color of the paint no one would know or even consider it was a JD, the steel bar around the bottom of my 7 Iron deck could built his entire deck feels like and that mower will get stuck on a dirt clod. The big box stores just sale el-cheapo to the suburbians so they can say they have a mower, quality wise it is not there, but with the size of the yards in most suburbs those little toys will last for years since it is used maybe 30 minutes to an hour per week.

If you go to lowes and look at a mower then go to a dealer and look at the same model mower it is the same mower made at the same place by the same people.

They don't make one for lowes and one dot the dealers.


#26

Nwatson99

Nwatson99

If you go to lowes and look at a mower then go to a dealer and look at the same model mower it is the same mower made at the same place by the same people.

They don't make one for lowes and one dot the dealers.

I stand corrected the dealerships around here do not carry the same model mowers as lowes "that is why I have never seen them", but yes they can get them if requested.
Those mowers are made in Greenville, Ten.


#27

LazerZLandscaping

LazerZLandscaping

I have looked at the mowers at Home Depot but after another issue with something from the big box stores I am far more leery of buying higher end things at such a place, the service seems better at a dealer.

And at dealers they have more knowledge on what they're selling.


#28

J

jbwillson

I stand corrected the dealerships around here do not carry the same model mowers as lowes "that is why I have never seen them", but yes they can get them if requested.
Those mowers are made in Greenville, Ten.

It depends on what you mean by "made." The John Deere D series mowers are assembled in Greeneville, with components shipped there from elsewhere. Park a D 100 series mower next to a Husqvarna YTH. Swap the hoods. Other than the color, the two machines are virtually identical. Coincidence? I think not.


#29

B

Blaine B.

This is odd. Why would John Deere want their name on an inferior product?

I thought that is why companies had multiple brands.

I thought that John Deere might produce a cheaper product, with a different label on it...as to not tarnish the John Deere reputation!


#30

Carscw

Carscw

This is odd. Why would John Deere want their name on an inferior product? I thought that is why companies had multiple brands. I thought that John Deere might produce a cheaper product, with a different label on it...as to not tarnish the John Deere reputation!

They been making junk riding mowers for years.

And they make Scott's mowers that also are junk


#31

J

jbwillson

This is odd. Why would John Deere want their name on an inferior product?

I thought that is why companies had multiple brands.

I thought that John Deere might produce a cheaper product, with a different label on it...as to not tarnish the John Deere reputation!

You're assuming that Husqvarna is inferior. Maybe it's not.


#32

Parkmower

Parkmower

You're assuming that Husqvarna is inferior. Maybe it's not.

Husqvarna is a superior brand compared to JD.
Both have low and high end units. But i'll take orange over green any day and most knowledgeable people would too.


#33

B

Blaine B.

Husq is made by John Deere??


#34

J

jbwillson

Husqvarna is a superior brand compared to JD.
Both have low and high end units. But i'll take orange over green any day and most knowledgeable people would too.

If, in fact, JD 100 series mowers are manufactured by Husqvarna, then there's really no difference between them other than color and decals. But evidently green paint costs more than orange.


#35

S

Shughes717

If, in fact, JD 100 series mowers are manufactured by Husqvarna, then there's really no difference between them other than color and decals. But evidently green paint costs more than orange.

I believe the green paint costs more because john deere puts gold flake in it. :wink:


#36

B

Blaine B.

This crap with the same company manufacturing different brand is very consuming. I assumed it was so that they wouldn't tarnish their original big brand with lower cost, cheaper stuff.

But in this case it's backwards?


#37

Carscw

Carscw

Husqvarna is a superior brand compared to JD. Both have low and high end units. But i'll take orange over green any day and most knowledgeable people would too.


I agree husqvarna is on of the best riding mowers made.

I liked my cub but it can not keep up with the YTH2448


#38

Ric

Ric

This crap with the same company manufacturing different brand is very consuming. I assumed it was so that they wouldn't tarnish their original big brand with lower cost, cheaper stuff.

But in this case it's backwards?


I don't think it has anything to do with tarnishing their original brand, it about the market and competition with other company's and sales. If you can't compete in the market you end up out of business, that's the reason you see one company buying out another so much.


#39

B

Blaine B.

If company A buys out company B, why do they still keep the name for company B on some of their products?

If it was my company, I would want the name for company A on all of my products.


#40

S

Shughes717

If company A buys out company B, why do they still keep the name for company B on some of their products?

If it was my company, I would want the name for company A on all of my products.

Not if the name on company b has a loyal following and a good reputation. Plus most of the time the factories that have been manufacturing the products from company b continue to make the same product they have been making. Such is the case for snapper pro and ferris. Look at toro and exmark as well. Two brands same company.


#41

Ric

Ric

If company A buys out company B, why do they still keep the name for company B on some of their products?

If it was my company, I would want the name for company A on all of my products.

Company A doesn't want the B name. Cost to much Money to change the name and if they want to sell the company again which they often do they would have to pay again to get there name removed. Besides that sometimes they buy company B just to close the company down and do away with the competition.


#42

P

panabiker

If company A buys out company B, why do they still keep the name for company B on some of their products?

If it was my company, I would want the name for company A on all of my products.

It usually does not happen this way. When Daimler-Benz bought Chrysler, it did not change Dodge Neon into Mercedes-Benz S110 or something like that. Fiat now owns Chrysler, and it still didn't change Durango into Fiat Panda. You can imagine many American buyers would be turned off by these foreign names and would never set a foot to these dealerships.


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