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Better bearings than MTD

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PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

I got a Cub Cadet (13WQA1CQ009) in yesterday that needs deck bearings. This mower is about 5 years old, but very few hours. Seems OEM's bearings, even MTD's would last longer than 5 years.
Anyone know of a better brand that makes an 941-0919B.


Also, the OEM blades on this are about 17 1/4. Customer wants better blades, something like a gator blade. But all I can find in the gators find are 17 7/8. Will I have to grind the ends of these off if I go that route? I've had to do that before. Just a little off the ends.


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ILENGINE

PTmowerMech said:
I got a Cub Cadet (13WQA1CQ009) in yesterday that needs deck bearings. This mower is about 5 years old, but very few hours. Seems OEM's bearings, even MTD's would last longer than 5 years.
Anyone know of a better brand that makes an 941-0919B.


Also, the OEM blades on this are about 17 1/4. Customer wants better blades, something like a gator blade. But all I can find in the gators find are 17 7/8. Will I have to grind the ends of these off if I go that route? I've had to do that before. Just a little off the ends.
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Sarcasm included, but why should they need to last more than 5 years when it has already past the average life expectancy. Since the average life expectancy of riding mowers is 38 hours per year and replaced every 4.5 years. And due to customers wanting the cheapest thing they can find in most cases, more and more products are being built to last the average replacement life.


#3

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Oregon 90-656


#4

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

ILENGINE said:
Sarcasm included, but why should they need to last more than 5 years when it has already past the average life expectancy. Since the average life expectancy of riding mowers is 38 hours per year and replaced every 4.5 years. And due to customers wanting the cheapest thing they can find in most cases, more and more products are being built to last the average replacement life.
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This guy, he's not looking for cheap. (Thankfully). His mower has 133hrs on it. Within the average you posted.

Sealed bearings, decent ones, I suppose are necessary for those customer who don't know how, or have the "want to," to grease their mowers.


#5

StarTech

StarTech

They are standard 6204-2RS C3 bearings. Being sealed they just ran out grease then they failed. This is why I repack new bearings with EP2 Moly before installation.

As for the Gators, Oregon cross reference indicates Oregon 598-629 G5 21-3/16" x 3" x .164" 6 pt star as a replacement for 954-04308 2in1 blades.

or he could just go with the regular mulching blade, Oregon 198-059.


#6

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ILENGINE

I have had good luck with the Oregon Magnum bearings. To each there own, so I am sure some people have. On occasion I will use Stens bearings if that is whom I am needing to order parts from and need bearings will throw them on an order.


#7

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
They are standard 6204-2RS C3 bearings. Being sealed they just ran out grease then they failed. This is why I repack new bearings with EP2 Moly before installation.

As for the Gators, Oregon cross reference indicates Oregon 598-629 G5 21-3/16" x 3" x .164" 6 pt star as a replacement for 954-04308 2in1 blades.

or he could just go with the regular mulching blade, Oregon 198-059.
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He's got a lot of sand. From what I gather, those gators are "high lift." Which is not what I'd put on my mower, if I had a lot of sand. I was looking at some medium lifts that I think would last him longer. But someone has it in his head about these gator blades.
Soooo, if that's what he wants, that's what he'll get.

Thanks for the numbers. Those are over 21" LOL.. I'd have to cut a lot off. Like 4".


#8

StarTech

StarTech

Ahhh I see the problem I only looked at the 42" deck and the deck you have is apparently the 50" version which uses the 942-05052A blades.

Sorry for the incorrect blade info. I scan my MTD Sku #s and there is three different blades. 942-05052A 2in1, 942-05052-L Low lift, and 942-05052-X Gator (MTD propriety version).


#9

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
Ahhh I see the problem I only looked at the 42" deck and the deck you have is apparently the 50" version which uses the 942-05052A blades.

Sorry for the incorrect blade info. I scan my MTD Sku #s and there is three different blades. 942-05052A 2in1, 942-05052-L Low lift, and 942-05052-X Gator (MTD propriety version).
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It's no problem Star. I already found just about every brand of blade for this mower. But that's extra 1/2 was throwing me off on the gators. I couldn't find ones less than 17 7/8th. I don't wanna go grinding on the end of someone's brand new blades. That's usually the first thing they check if they're getting new blades.
Thanks again.


#10

StarTech

StarTech

I might need explain the confusion on my part. There is 6 different decks that could be on this mower and I simply didn't pay attention the length you gave. But you correct that he should use the low lift blades or sand blades as sand is extremely rough on air lifts.


#11

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bertsmobile1

Spindle bearing life is like belt life a customer variable.
Very few of my customers spindle bearings would have gone for 5 years, but then around here we mow around 35 weeks a year ( droughts & floods excluded ) and most would be doing 1 to 2 hours a mow.
What kills spindle bearings is wash out ports.
The hot spindle sucks in the cold water.
Remember that a "sealed " bearing is just a dust seal and is not water tight.

As for Gator blade do not even think about cutting them down.
Oregon blades have a longer flute section at the end , because this is where most of the work is done and where most of the wear happens.
The other brands all have smaller flute sections or random length sections ( stens ) .
These will wear off, break off very quickly in service and make a drastic difference to the airflow under the deck.
The only toothed blades I will fit are Genuine Gators which are near impossible to get now Briggs & Stratton Australia are the official Oregon distributors.
No one seems to carry them and Briggs do not seem able to supply them ( or any other part for that matter ) .
Hopefully Oregon will see the light and allow Gripskies to carry Oregon replacement parts again & leave Briggs to flog the whole goods & battery powered do-dads


#12

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

StarTech said:
I might need explain the confusion on my part. There is 6 different decks that could be on this mower and I simply didn't pay attention the length you gave. But you correct that he should use the low lift blades or sand blades as sand is extremely rough on air lifts.
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I got it. It's no big deal, really.


#13

PTmowerMech

PTmowerMech

bertsmobile1 said:
Spindle bearing life is like belt life a customer variable.
Very few of my customers spindle bearings would have gone for 5 years, but then around here we mow around 35 weeks a year ( droughts & floods excluded ) and most would be doing 1 to 2 hours a mow.
What kills spindle bearings is wash out ports.
The hot spindle sucks in the cold water.
Remember that a "sealed " bearing is just a dust seal and is not water tight.

As for Gator blade do not even think about cutting them down.
Oregon blades have a longer flute section at the end , because this is where most of the work is done and where most of the wear happens.
The other brands all have smaller flute sections or random length sections ( stens ) .
These will wear off, break off very quickly in service and make a drastic difference to the airflow under the deck.
The only toothed blades I will fit are Genuine Gators which are near impossible to get now Briggs & Stratton Australia are the official Oregon distributors.
No one seems to carry them and Briggs do not seem able to supply them ( or any other part for that matter ) .
Hopefully Oregon will see the light and allow Gripskies to carry Oregon replacement parts again & leave Briggs to flog the whole goods & battery powered do-dads
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I've never seen or heard anything bad about Gator blades. When the blades I ordered come in, I'm gonna make a note of the distance between the blades to see if those 17 7/8th will fit. If they do, then the next time the customer comes back, I'll have them ready for him.


As far as the bearings go, I went with the local auto parts store who carries a lot of parts master products. He and I had a discussion about the quality of the ones he sold me. And he wants me to tell him how long they last. Says no one has ever returned them within the warranty period. Of course that doesn't mean a lot. Simply because if the bearings didn't last a long time, the customer just went some where else. But he say he sells a lot of them.
Parts Master carries a highly upgraded bearing, that run about $19 each. If I get any complaints about these, I'll go with the others.

I like buying local. This little parts store, they're friendly, and give me a pretty good discount already. And I can get things within a day.


#14

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bertsmobile1

Neither have I but the generic ones , Preditor , Copperhead & Silver Streak can all be a problem with that final section of the flute being too short.

T looks like the other brands only have ! set of dies for forming the cutting end.
SO depending upn the length of the entire blade the last flute could e anythng drom 1/3" long to a full inch.


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