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Best commercial mower under 8500
#1
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zmister11
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zmister11
Next year I will probably be buying another zero turn. But I want it to be full commercial with a 48 inch deck. The dealer that I like sells gravely Dixie's and exmarks. I liked the way the pro turn 148 looks and feels but haven't demoed it. But if yall have any other suggestions I also have scag, ferris, and toro dealers as well. But I definitely don't want to go over 8500. It will be financed and I'll want to wait till next year and hope to get a end of the year sale. Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
#2
Ric
If you're going to finance I'd go To the Toro with there 0% interest from 42 to 60 months and you need to buy warranty. That's why I bought my Z Master with the 4yr 500 hour and my GS is a 5 yr 1200 hour warranty.
Ric
Next year I will probably be buying another zero turn. But I want it to be full commercial with a 48 inch deck. The dealer that I like sells gravely Dixie's and exmarks. I liked the way the pro turn 148 looks and feels but haven't demoed it. But if yall have any other suggestions I also have scag, ferris, and toro dealers as well. But I definitely don't want to go over 8500. It will be financed and I'll want to wait till next year and hope to get a end of the year sale. Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
If you're going to finance I'd go To the Toro with there 0% interest from 42 to 60 months and you need to buy warranty. That's why I bought my Z Master with the 4yr 500 hour and my GS is a 5 yr 1200 hour warranty.
#3
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zmister11
What did you pay for your z master?
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zmister11
If you're going to finance I'd go To the Toro with there 0% interest from 42 to 60 months and you need to buy warranty. That's why I bought my Z Master with the 4yr 500 hour and my GS is a 5 yr 1200 hour warranty.
What did you pay for your z master?
#4
Ric
It was actually $7100 otd but I financed $6100. Payments run $145.00 a month but I pay a lot more than that. Should have it payed off in just 4 or 5 months.
Ric
What did you pay for your z master?
It was actually $7100 otd but I financed $6100. Payments run $145.00 a month but I pay a lot more than that. Should have it payed off in just 4 or 5 months.
#5
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zmister11
Oh okay that's not bad at all. Do you like the cut quality of it? Which z master is it?
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zmister11
It was actually $7100 otd but I financed $6100. Payments run $145.00 a month but I pay a lot more than that. Should have it payed off in just 4 or 5 months.
Oh okay that's not bad at all. Do you like the cut quality of it? Which z master is it?
#6
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Shughes717
That is a question that is going to get different answers from everyone who posts on this site. There are many on here that have a lot of knowledge about the mowers they use and will say that their brand is the best on the market, but they won't have experience with every brand out there. I, for instance, have no experience with big dog, or gravely, and little experience with Dixie chopper. An $8500 budget is going to get you a great mower no matter which one you go with. I suggest you demo every mower that is available to you in your area and go with the one you like best.
My top choices in that price range are as follows.
Toro z master series/ exmark laser z (if you have horses they offer an equine discount)
Hustler x one (well built mowers with a flex fork option for a smoother ride)
Ferris is2100 (smallest deck is a 52", but the independent suspension gives a great ride)
Kubota z700 series (new line for kubota with $1000 off and 0% for up to 54 months)
Country clipper charger (smallest deck is 52", but has a single joystick control and a flip forward deck for easy maintenance)
Snapper pro s150xt (same mower as ferris without the independent suspension, and a 48" will run around $6000)
All of those mowers will be in the price range and all offer similar drive trains with different extra features. It just depends on what is most important to you. Most of the brands mentioned offer at least 0% interest for 48 months.
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Shughes717
Next year I will probably be buying another zero turn. But I want it to be full commercial with a 48 inch deck. The dealer that I like sells gravely Dixie's and exmarks. I liked the way the pro turn 148 looks and feels but haven't demoed it. But if yall have any other suggestions I also have scag, ferris, and toro dealers as well. But I definitely don't want to go over 8500. It will be financed and I'll want to wait till next year and hope to get a end of the year sale. Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
That is a question that is going to get different answers from everyone who posts on this site. There are many on here that have a lot of knowledge about the mowers they use and will say that their brand is the best on the market, but they won't have experience with every brand out there. I, for instance, have no experience with big dog, or gravely, and little experience with Dixie chopper. An $8500 budget is going to get you a great mower no matter which one you go with. I suggest you demo every mower that is available to you in your area and go with the one you like best.
My top choices in that price range are as follows.
Toro z master series/ exmark laser z (if you have horses they offer an equine discount)
Hustler x one (well built mowers with a flex fork option for a smoother ride)
Ferris is2100 (smallest deck is a 52", but the independent suspension gives a great ride)
Kubota z700 series (new line for kubota with $1000 off and 0% for up to 54 months)
Country clipper charger (smallest deck is 52", but has a single joystick control and a flip forward deck for easy maintenance)
Snapper pro s150xt (same mower as ferris without the independent suspension, and a 48" will run around $6000)
All of those mowers will be in the price range and all offer similar drive trains with different extra features. It just depends on what is most important to you. Most of the brands mentioned offer at least 0% interest for 48 months.
#7
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sjessen
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sjessen
In addition to all of the brands already mentioned, Bad Boy is known for being a good value.
#8
Ric
The cut quality on the mower is great. I used the original blades for the first 50 hours and they had a great cut. I've switched to the G6 Gator blades and can't say the cut quality is any better than the originals but I can say there's a lot less clippings left. I purchased the Z Master 2000, it has the 20.5hp Kawasaki FX and the 3400 drives which for what I'm doing 70 plus lawns a week is more than enough. The drives are rated @ 500lbs of torque with a 1600 lbs GVW which leaves me almost 700 lbs to play with.
The build quality of the Z Master mower is better I believe than most, it has a larger and heavier frame which improves the ride, everything is sealed bearings so there's no greasing spindles and the spindles on most mowers are are like 4 to 5 inch with a 4 bolt attachment to the deck, the Toro spindles are 8 inch 6 bolt attachment which are more durable. The decks are a 10-gauge top that is formed and continuously seam welded, 7-gauge side skirt and 7-gauge reinforced spindle mounting locations for improved strength and reduced weight. not an 11 ga. The front wheels and front end or castors are also sealed bearing.
Ric
Oh okay that's not bad at all. Do you like the cut quality of it? Which z master is it?
The cut quality on the mower is great. I used the original blades for the first 50 hours and they had a great cut. I've switched to the G6 Gator blades and can't say the cut quality is any better than the originals but I can say there's a lot less clippings left. I purchased the Z Master 2000, it has the 20.5hp Kawasaki FX and the 3400 drives which for what I'm doing 70 plus lawns a week is more than enough. The drives are rated @ 500lbs of torque with a 1600 lbs GVW which leaves me almost 700 lbs to play with.
The build quality of the Z Master mower is better I believe than most, it has a larger and heavier frame which improves the ride, everything is sealed bearings so there's no greasing spindles and the spindles on most mowers are are like 4 to 5 inch with a 4 bolt attachment to the deck, the Toro spindles are 8 inch 6 bolt attachment which are more durable. The decks are a 10-gauge top that is formed and continuously seam welded, 7-gauge side skirt and 7-gauge reinforced spindle mounting locations for improved strength and reduced weight. not an 11 ga. The front wheels and front end or castors are also sealed bearing.
#9
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Shughes717
The only bad boy I would be interested in is the outlaw series. There isn't much for dealer support in my area for them. Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply.
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Shughes717
In addition to all of the brands already mentioned, Bad Boy is known for being a good value.
The only bad boy I would be interested in is the outlaw series. There isn't much for dealer support in my area for them. Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply.
#10
Ric
Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply. You say that like that's a bad thing.
Ric
The only bad boy I would be interested in is the outlaw series. There isn't much for dealer support in my area for them. Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply.
Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply. You say that like that's a bad thing.
#11
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Shughes717
No, just no dealer support in case there is a mechanical problem. I have never seen a mechanic shop in the back of tractor supply.
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Shughes717
Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply. You say that like that's a bad thing.
No, just no dealer support in case there is a mechanical problem. I have never seen a mechanic shop in the back of tractor supply.
#12
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zmister11
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zmister11
Thanks everyone for the replys so far. I would like to demo the Z Master sometime, and possibly the exmark. I have a Ferris dealer as well but I don't think I've ever seen a lawn company use them... I wonder why.
#13
Ric
The Toro and Exmark are basically the same mower, there both owned and made by Toro. The Z master and the Lazer Z are basically the same. The Exmark will run you more money though.
Ric
Thanks everyone for the replys so far. I would like to demo the Z Master sometime, and possibly the exmark. I have a Ferris dealer as well but I don't think I've ever seen a lawn company use them... I wonder why.
The Toro and Exmark are basically the same mower, there both owned and made by Toro. The Z master and the Lazer Z are basically the same. The Exmark will run you more money though.
#14
Ric
I don't think you would have an issue with getting one worked on. Any dealer should be able to work on them, the dealer I use works on them and he doesn't seem to have problems with parts that I know of.
Ric
No, just no dealer support in case there is a mechanical problem. I have never seen a mechanic shop in the back of tractor supply.
I don't think you would have an issue with getting one worked on. Any dealer should be able to work on them, the dealer I use works on them and he doesn't seem to have problems with parts that I know of.
#15
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zmister11
Ok cool. Thank you!
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zmister11
I don't think you would have an issue with getting one worked on. Any dealer should be able to work on them, the dealer I use works on them and he doesn't seem to have problems with parts that I know of.
Ok cool. Thank you!
#16
reynoldston
I see a lot of Ferris PRO 60's used by lawn company's around here, but they are over 10,000 dollars.
reynoldston
Thanks everyone for the replys so far. I would like to demo the Z Master sometime, and possibly the exmark. I have a Ferris dealer as well but I don't think I've ever seen a lawn company use them... I wonder why.
I see a lot of Ferris PRO 60's used by lawn company's around here, but they are over 10,000 dollars.
#17
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
May I suggest a Scag Tiger Cat with a Kawasaki FX engine. I also suggest a Hustler X-ONE, fine machine.
#18
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Shughes717
Lawn companies use ferris and snapper pro mowers here. The is2100 has the best ride I have ever been on. The icd deck cuts great as well. That's what is on my s150xt. Very good mowers. For 6k you can get a snapper pro s150xt with 48" icd deck, fx series engine, zt5400 hydros, 10 gallon fuel capacity, flat free front tires, and 23x9.5x12 rear tires. Can't get all that on a z master for anywhere near that price unless you own horses. The is2100 52" will cost close to the top of your budget, but has everything plus the independent suspension.
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Shughes717
Thanks everyone for the replys so far. I would like to demo the Z Master sometime, and possibly the exmark. I have a Ferris dealer as well but I don't think I've ever seen a lawn company use them... I wonder why.
Lawn companies use ferris and snapper pro mowers here. The is2100 has the best ride I have ever been on. The icd deck cuts great as well. That's what is on my s150xt. Very good mowers. For 6k you can get a snapper pro s150xt with 48" icd deck, fx series engine, zt5400 hydros, 10 gallon fuel capacity, flat free front tires, and 23x9.5x12 rear tires. Can't get all that on a z master for anywhere near that price unless you own horses. The is2100 52" will cost close to the top of your budget, but has everything plus the independent suspension.
#19
Ric
I think it depends on or your the location as to what make mower is being used. In the 8 going on 9 years I've had the business I don't think I've ever seen but maybe two Ferris and a couple of JD and I've never seen a Snapper being used commercially or other wise. The big knock on those type units is there weight. And I don't understand why people put such an emphasis on the size of drives when in reality it doesn't mean all that much.
Ric
Lawn companies use ferris and snapper pro mowers here. The is2100 has the best ride I have ever been on. The icd deck cuts great as well. That's what is on my s150xt. Very good mowers. For 6k you can get a snapper pro s150xt with 48" icd deck, fx series engine, zt5400 hydros, 10 gallon fuel capacity, flat free front tires, and 23x9.5x12 rear tires. Can't get all that on a z master for anywhere near that price unless you own horses. The is2100 52" will cost close to the top of your budget, but has everything plus the independent suspension.
I think it depends on or your the location as to what make mower is being used. In the 8 going on 9 years I've had the business I don't think I've ever seen but maybe two Ferris and a couple of JD and I've never seen a Snapper being used commercially or other wise. The big knock on those type units is there weight. And I don't understand why people put such an emphasis on the size of drives when in reality it doesn't mean all that much.
#20
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zmister11
Ric, u live in Florida right? How far away do you live from brandon florida? Lol
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zmister11
I think it depends on or your the location as to what make mower is being used. In the 8 going on 9 years I've had the business I don't think I've ever seen but maybe two Ferris and a couple of JD and I've never seen a Snapper being used commercially or other wise. The big knock on those type units is there weight. And I don't understand why people put such an emphasis on the size of drives when in reality it doesn't mean all that much.
Ric, u live in Florida right? How far away do you live from brandon florida? Lol
#21
Ric
Is that where you are at is Brandon? I know where that is, I've been there once.
Ric
Ric, u live in Florida right? How far away do you live from brandon florida? Lol
Is that where you are at is Brandon? I know where that is, I've been there once.
#22
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Shughes717
The difference in the drive is the amount of torque available. You even mentioned that in one of your posts on this thread. Quite a bit of difference the the drives. Are you saying the knock on them is they are heavier? If so you talk about how much heavier the frame is on the toro. If they are built heavier then why are the snapper pro and ferris mowers heavier. You would think the toro would weigh more.
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Shughes717
I think it depends on or your the location as to what make mower is being used. In the 8 going on 9 years I've had the business I don't think I've ever seen but maybe two Ferris and a couple of JD and I've never seen a Snapper being used commercially or other wise. The big knock on those type units is there weight. And I don't understand why people put such an emphasis on the size of drives when in reality it doesn't mean all that much.
The difference in the drive is the amount of torque available. You even mentioned that in one of your posts on this thread. Quite a bit of difference the the drives. Are you saying the knock on them is they are heavier? If so you talk about how much heavier the frame is on the toro. If they are built heavier then why are the snapper pro and ferris mowers heavier. You would think the toro would weigh more.
#23
Ric
No, I'm saying the knock on those mowers Like the Ferris the JD and some others is their weight. Putting a mower that weighs 12 to 1500 lbs on someones lawn is crazy. As far as the drives go hte 5400 drives you talk about aren't really going to do anything in your mower than a 2800 drive in a mower there installed in. Your 5400 is pushing a 1200lb mower and can handle 2200lbs GVW the 2800 is pushing a 500lb mower and can handle 1000 lb GVW There all installed by GVW. The weight ratios are basically the same. Your Snapper is heavier because, well lets see you have a larger engine, you carry more gas, your drives weigh about twice as much as my 3400 just for starters.:smile:
Ric
The difference in the drive is the amount of torque available. You even mentioned that in one of your posts on this thread. Quite a bit of difference the the drives. Are you saying the knock on them is they are heavier? If so you talk about how much heavier the frame is on the toro. If they are built heavier then why are the snapper pro and ferris mowers heavier. You would think the toro would weigh more.
No, I'm saying the knock on those mowers Like the Ferris the JD and some others is their weight. Putting a mower that weighs 12 to 1500 lbs on someones lawn is crazy. As far as the drives go hte 5400 drives you talk about aren't really going to do anything in your mower than a 2800 drive in a mower there installed in. Your 5400 is pushing a 1200lb mower and can handle 2200lbs GVW the 2800 is pushing a 500lb mower and can handle 1000 lb GVW There all installed by GVW. The weight ratios are basically the same. Your Snapper is heavier because, well lets see you have a larger engine, you carry more gas, your drives weigh about twice as much as my 3400 just for starters.:smile:
#24
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Shughes717
Can't find anywhere on toro's site that gives the weight of their z master line. I find it hard to believe they can be heavier built and lighter than the ferris or snapper pro mowers. A snapper pro s150xt 48" has a dry weight of 1107. An s125xt 52" with 5.5 gallon fuel capacity, zt3400 drives, and fs691 engine has a dry weight of 1059. How can toro supposedly build a mower with heavier metal and yet weigh less? Defies logic. I know the 5400 drives are bigger and heavier. They will do a great deal more than a zt2800. Have had mowers with both drives on hills, for instance, and the zt5400 drives are much better. Top of hydrogear's line.
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Shughes717
No, I'm saying the knock on those mowers Like the Ferris the JD and some others is their weight. Putting a mower that weighs 12 to 1500 lbs on someones lawn is crazy. As far as the drives go hte 5400 drives you talk about aren't really going to do anything in your mower than a 2800 drive in a mower there installed in. Your 5400 is pushing a 1200lb mower and can handle 2200lbs GVW the 2800 is pushing a 500lb mower and can handle 1000 lb GVW There all installed by GVW. The weight ratios are basically the same. Your Snapper is heavier because, well lets see you have a larger engine, you carry more gas, your drives weigh about twice as much as my 3400 just for starters.:smile:
Can't find anywhere on toro's site that gives the weight of their z master line. I find it hard to believe they can be heavier built and lighter than the ferris or snapper pro mowers. A snapper pro s150xt 48" has a dry weight of 1107. An s125xt 52" with 5.5 gallon fuel capacity, zt3400 drives, and fs691 engine has a dry weight of 1059. How can toro supposedly build a mower with heavier metal and yet weigh less? Defies logic. I know the 5400 drives are bigger and heavier. They will do a great deal more than a zt2800. Have had mowers with both drives on hills, for instance, and the zt5400 drives are much better. Top of hydrogear's line.
#25
Ric
My Toro Z Master weighs in at just over 900lbs dry weight. The Largest ZM in the 2000 series is under 1000lbs. I've Had and used the 2800 drives and the ratios are very similar to any other drives for the weight of the mower.
I really don't think it defies any logic that Toro builds a heavier duty commercial machine than snapper all you have to do is compare spec's and you can see that, everything about the machine from the frame too the deck and even the deck lift system is heavier duty.
Ric
Can't find anywhere on toro's site that gives the weight of their z master line. I find it hard to believe they can be heavier built and lighter than the ferris or snapper pro mowers. A snapper pro s150xt 48" has a dry weight of 1107. An s125xt 52" with 5.5 gallon fuel capacity, zt3400 drives, and fs691 engine has a dry weight of 1059. How can toro supposedly build a mower with heavier metal and yet weigh less? Defies logic. I know the 5400 drives are bigger and heavier. They will do a great deal more than a zt2800. Have had mowers with both drives on hills, for instance, and the zt5400 drives are much better. Top of hydrogear's line.
My Toro Z Master weighs in at just over 900lbs dry weight. The Largest ZM in the 2000 series is under 1000lbs. I've Had and used the 2800 drives and the ratios are very similar to any other drives for the weight of the mower.
I really don't think it defies any logic that Toro builds a heavier duty commercial machine than snapper all you have to do is compare spec's and you can see that, everything about the machine from the frame too the deck and even the deck lift system is heavier duty.
#26
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diamatron
D
diamatron
When I started looking into the zero turn market it was very confusing. Because most all the machines share the same drive trains. So, I narrowed it down to what's available in my area. Then since he the the drivetrains are so similar I compared the whole build. Like the tires, seat, deck Quality, size of hardware mounts, warranty, price. Also, noticed most commercial users in my area were ferris and skag.
I ended up buying snapper pro s200xt. Other then online, I knew nobody who had one, nor even seen one before I went to the dealer to drive it. I believe they are built like a beast and the mow is fantastic. I have a neighbor who has a toro laser z, not sure of the actual model. We really don't know each other, but his cut quality also looks nice.
I ended up buying snapper pro s200xt. Other then online, I knew nobody who had one, nor even seen one before I went to the dealer to drive it. I believe they are built like a beast and the mow is fantastic. I have a neighbor who has a toro laser z, not sure of the actual model. We really don't know each other, but his cut quality also looks nice.
#27
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zmister11
Yes sir I live right in brandon
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zmister11
Is that where you are at is Brandon? I know where that is, I've been there once.
Yes sir I live right in brandon
#28
Ric
Now I'm Confused :confused2: Your profile says your mower is a Toro but your post says you purchased snapper pro s200xt. So do you own both or which one do you own
Ric
When I started looking into the zero turn market it was very confusing. Because most all the machines share the same drive trains. So, I narrowed it down to what's available in my area. Then since he the the drivetrains are so similar I compared the whole build. Like the tires, seat, deck Quality, size of hardware mounts, warranty, price. Also, noticed most commercial users in my area were ferris and skag.
I ended up buying snapper pro s200xt. Other then online, I knew nobody who had one, nor even seen one before I went to the dealer to drive it. I believe they are built like a beast and the mow is fantastic. I have a neighbor who has a toro laser z, not sure of the actual model. We really don't know each other, but his cut quality also looks nice.
Now I'm Confused :confused2: Your profile says your mower is a Toro but your post says you purchased snapper pro s200xt. So do you own both or which one do you own
#29
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Shughes717
How can it be built heavier and weigh less? How do you know the mounts are built heavier if you have never had a ferris or snapper pro? Can't make claims about mowers that you have no experience with. The snapper pro/ferris icd deck is 7/10 gauge just like the toro deck. I have asked this question before with no answer and I will ask again. Have you ever seen the frame on any commercial zero turn mower break? I haven't, and I even mounted a 25 gallon chemical tank on the front of my mower. No damage to my frame and I have sprayed some rough ground. They are all built heavy. No one who owns a snapper pro / ferris and posts on here has ever had a problem with the deck lift system breaking either. The only problems you ever see are the same ones that everyone else has with their brand. Either engine, or hydros, and all the brands use the same drive train manufacturers. I understand weight ratio, but having enough extra torque to pull 1100 pounds is much better than 500 pounds. Put a 200 pound man on the mower and you only have 300 pounds of available torque with the zt2800. Still have 900 with zt5400. Btw, by your numbers the z master doesn't even have the two to one ratio.
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Shughes717
My Toro Z Master weighs in at just over 900lbs dry weight. The Largest ZM in the 2000 series is under 1000lbs. I've Had and used the 2800 drives and the ratios are very similar to any other drives for the weight of the mower.
I really don't think it defies any logic that Toro builds a heavier duty commercial machine than snapper all you have to do is compare spec's and you can see that, everything about the machine from the frame too the deck and even the deck lift system is heavier duty.
How can it be built heavier and weigh less? How do you know the mounts are built heavier if you have never had a ferris or snapper pro? Can't make claims about mowers that you have no experience with. The snapper pro/ferris icd deck is 7/10 gauge just like the toro deck. I have asked this question before with no answer and I will ask again. Have you ever seen the frame on any commercial zero turn mower break? I haven't, and I even mounted a 25 gallon chemical tank on the front of my mower. No damage to my frame and I have sprayed some rough ground. They are all built heavy. No one who owns a snapper pro / ferris and posts on here has ever had a problem with the deck lift system breaking either. The only problems you ever see are the same ones that everyone else has with their brand. Either engine, or hydros, and all the brands use the same drive train manufacturers. I understand weight ratio, but having enough extra torque to pull 1100 pounds is much better than 500 pounds. Put a 200 pound man on the mower and you only have 300 pounds of available torque with the zt2800. Still have 900 with zt5400. Btw, by your numbers the z master doesn't even have the two to one ratio.
#30
Ric
All you have to do is look at and compare the spec's to see how it can be built heavier and weigh less, I've already gave you some reasons or examples. The Snapper frame is a 2 x 1.5 11ga frame. The Toro is a 3 x 1.5 10 ga. it's larger and heavier, look at the spec's. As far as how I know how Snapper and Ferris are built is the fact I've seen them on the showroom floor at the dealers, I've looked at them, I've set on them and compared them to the Toro just like I have the Gravelys and Scags and Cub Cadet and a few others and the only mower that even comes close to the build quality of a Toro ZM IMO is a Hustler X One and up. I talk about frame relating to the ride of the mower, the heavier the frame the better the ride, I'm not worried about a frame or a lift system breaking. The thing is really it doesn't take some one with a degree to look at and compare two or three different mowers and tell which one is a better built mower and which is not. :smile:
Ric
How can it be built heavier and weigh less? How do you know the mounts are built heavier if you have never had a ferris or snapper pro? Can't make claims about mowers that you have no experience with. The snapper pro/ferris icd deck is 7/10 gauge just like the toro deck. I have asked this question before with no answer and I will ask again. Have you ever seen the frame on any commercial zero turn mower break? I haven't, and I even mounted a 25 gallon chemical tank on the front of my mower. No damage to my frame and I have sprayed some rough ground. They are all built heavy. No one who owns a snapper pro / ferris and posts on here has ever had a problem with the deck lift system breaking either. The only problems you ever see are the same ones that everyone else has with their brand. Either engine, or hydros, and all the brands use the same drive train manufacturers. I understand weight ratio, but having enough extra torque to pull 1100 pounds is much better than 500 pounds. Put a 200 pound man on the mower and you only have 300 pounds of available torque with the zt2800. Still have 900 with zt5400. Btw, by your numbers the z master doesn't even have the two to one ratio.
All you have to do is look at and compare the spec's to see how it can be built heavier and weigh less, I've already gave you some reasons or examples. The Snapper frame is a 2 x 1.5 11ga frame. The Toro is a 3 x 1.5 10 ga. it's larger and heavier, look at the spec's. As far as how I know how Snapper and Ferris are built is the fact I've seen them on the showroom floor at the dealers, I've looked at them, I've set on them and compared them to the Toro just like I have the Gravelys and Scags and Cub Cadet and a few others and the only mower that even comes close to the build quality of a Toro ZM IMO is a Hustler X One and up. I talk about frame relating to the ride of the mower, the heavier the frame the better the ride, I'm not worried about a frame or a lift system breaking. The thing is really it doesn't take some one with a degree to look at and compare two or three different mowers and tell which one is a better built mower and which is not. :smile:
#31
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Shughes717
Thickness of frame has nothing to do with the ride of the mower. Tire size, space between tires, weight, and suspension does. Z master doesn't even compare to the ride of an is2100. Instead of just looking at them on the show room floor you should demo one without bias. Toro doesn't show the dry weight of their mowers on their site. Heavier metal should weigh more. If it's built with more metal it should weigh more. Doesn't take someone with an engineering degree to figure that out.:smile:
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Shughes717
All you have to do is look at and compare the spec's to see how it can be built heavier and weigh less, I've already gave you some reasons or examples. The Snapper frame is a 2 x 1.5 11ga frame. The Toro is a 3 x 1.5 10 ga. it's larger and heavier, look at the spec's. As far as how I know how Snapper and Ferris are built is the fact I've seen them on the showroom floor at the dealers, I've looked at them, I've set on them and compared them to the Toro just like I have the Gravelys and Scags and Cub Cadet and a few others and the only mower that even comes close to the build quality of a Toro ZM IMO is a Hustler X One and up. I talk about frame relating to the ride of the mower, the heavier the frame the better the ride, I'm not worried about a frame or a lift system breaking. The thing is really it doesn't take some one with a degree to look at and compare two or three different mowers and tell which one is a better built mower and which is not. :smile:
Thickness of frame has nothing to do with the ride of the mower. Tire size, space between tires, weight, and suspension does. Z master doesn't even compare to the ride of an is2100. Instead of just looking at them on the show room floor you should demo one without bias. Toro doesn't show the dry weight of their mowers on their site. Heavier metal should weigh more. If it's built with more metal it should weigh more. Doesn't take someone with an engineering degree to figure that out.:smile:
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Ric
Maybe the frame does weigh more but the ZM mower itself weighs less because of other factors like your drives in your snapper weighing twice as much as the ZM 2000 or the fact you carry more gas or maybe you engine is larger that probably has some weight difference. Is it inconceivable that there are others things on your mower that could make a difference? Your talking about a 900 lb mower vs an 1100 Your carrying almost 60lbs more weight alone just with your drives than the ZM with the 3400 drives. and if you would like to see the toro's weight you can go to their site it's listed there. It"s listed in the English PDF Owners manual, it will be on page 13 and it's 926 lbs with a 48" deck 944lbs with a 52 and 988lbs with a 60" for the ZM 2000 series.
Ric
Thickness of frame has nothing to do with the ride of the mower. Tire size, space between tires, weight, and suspension does. Z master doesn't even compare to the ride of an is2100. Instead of just looking at them on the show room floor you should demo one without bias. Toro doesn't show the dry weight of their mowers on their site. Heavier metal should weigh more. If it's built with more metal it should weigh more. Doesn't take someone with an engineering degree to figure that out.:smile:
Maybe the frame does weigh more but the ZM mower itself weighs less because of other factors like your drives in your snapper weighing twice as much as the ZM 2000 or the fact you carry more gas or maybe you engine is larger that probably has some weight difference. Is it inconceivable that there are others things on your mower that could make a difference? Your talking about a 900 lb mower vs an 1100 Your carrying almost 60lbs more weight alone just with your drives than the ZM with the 3400 drives. and if you would like to see the toro's weight you can go to their site it's listed there. It"s listed in the English PDF Owners manual, it will be on page 13 and it's 926 lbs with a 48" deck 944lbs with a 52 and 988lbs with a 60" for the ZM 2000 series.
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Shughes717
I gave the weight of the s125xt which has the same size engine and hydros as well at 1059. If the z master is built heavier explain that.
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Shughes717
Maybe the frame does weigh more but the ZM mower itself weighs less because of other factors like your drives in your snapper weighing twice as much as the ZM 2000 or the fact you carry more gas or maybe you engine is larger that probably has some weight difference. Is it inconceivable that there are others things on your mower that could make a difference? Your talking about a 900 lb mower vs an 1100 Your carrying almost 60lbs more weight alone just with your drives than the ZM with the 3400 drives. and if you would like to see the toro's weight you can go to their site it's listed there. It"s listed in the English PDF Owners manual, it will be on page 13 and it's 926 lbs with a 48" deck 944lbs with a 52 and 988lbs with a 60" for the ZM 2000 series.
I gave the weight of the s125xt which has the same size engine and hydros as well at 1059. If the z master is built heavier explain that.
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Fish
Ask to demo the mowers next spring!!!! Do not buy one until you have used it and "love" it!!!!!!!!
#35
Ric
Well you may want to go to their site (Snapper) and check out some pictures. Another added weight feature that contributes to thr weight is probably that big wrap around engine guard on the mower, it probably weighs 40 lbs if not more and that's something the ZM doesn't have and you also have metal covers over your pulleys on the deck and again not something the ZM has. There is probably a lot of things just like that on Snapper mower that contributes to it's weight. I think if you check you'll also find the Snapper sets a lot higher than the ZM which tells me there's a lot more metal construction going on up top plus you have duel gas tanks on the sides, the ZM doesn't, it has one tank mounted under the seat that contributes to a lower center of gravity.
Ric
I gave the weight of the s125xt which has the same size engine and hydros as well at 1059. If the z master is built heavier explain that.
Well you may want to go to their site (Snapper) and check out some pictures. Another added weight feature that contributes to thr weight is probably that big wrap around engine guard on the mower, it probably weighs 40 lbs if not more and that's something the ZM doesn't have and you also have metal covers over your pulleys on the deck and again not something the ZM has. There is probably a lot of things just like that on Snapper mower that contributes to it's weight. I think if you check you'll also find the Snapper sets a lot higher than the ZM which tells me there's a lot more metal construction going on up top plus you have duel gas tanks on the sides, the ZM doesn't, it has one tank mounted under the seat that contributes to a lower center of gravity.
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Shughes717
Totally agree with that statement!:thumbsup:
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Shughes717
Ask to demo the mowers next spring!!!! Do not buy one until you have used it and "love" it!!!!!!!!
Totally agree with that statement!:thumbsup:
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Shughes717
The demensions on the specifications of the mowers goes to the top of the rops not from seat to ground, so it's difficult to say which sits lower. However, the 46.5 inches from ground to folded rops on the z master 2000 is 3.5 inches shorter than the s150xt 48". If the zt5400 hydros weighs 60 pounds more each I would think that gives the s150xt a lower center of gravity seeing as how they are attached to the rear wheels.The s125xt has one 5.5 gallon fuel tank, not 2 tanks. There are two metal covers on the icd deck, and there is a well made engine guard on the back where a hitch can be added. Nothing mentioned indicates to me the toro is made any better. Specs about the thickness of the frame doesn't mean much if there is no added benefit from it. As I mentioned earlier I can't see how a thicker frame improves the ride at all. Not understanding that claim. Larger tires, weight, and suspension does make a difference in the ride though.
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Shughes717
Well you may want to go to their site (Snapper) and check out some pictures. Another added weight feature that contributes to thr weight is probably that big wrap around engine guard on the mower, it probably weighs 40 lbs if not more and that's something the ZM doesn't have and you also have metal covers over your pulleys on the deck and again not something the ZM has. There is probably a lot of things just like that on Snapper mower that contributes to it's weight. I think if you check you'll also find the Snapper sets a lot higher than the ZM which tells me there's a lot more metal construction going on up top plus you have duel gas tanks on the sides, the ZM doesn't, it has one tank mounted under the seat that contributes to a lower center of gravity.
The demensions on the specifications of the mowers goes to the top of the rops not from seat to ground, so it's difficult to say which sits lower. However, the 46.5 inches from ground to folded rops on the z master 2000 is 3.5 inches shorter than the s150xt 48". If the zt5400 hydros weighs 60 pounds more each I would think that gives the s150xt a lower center of gravity seeing as how they are attached to the rear wheels.The s125xt has one 5.5 gallon fuel tank, not 2 tanks. There are two metal covers on the icd deck, and there is a well made engine guard on the back where a hitch can be added. Nothing mentioned indicates to me the toro is made any better. Specs about the thickness of the frame doesn't mean much if there is no added benefit from it. As I mentioned earlier I can't see how a thicker frame improves the ride at all. Not understanding that claim. Larger tires, weight, and suspension does make a difference in the ride though.
#38
Ric
Being 3.5 inches shorter would contribute to a lower center of gravity and the 5400 drives are only about 30 lbs more each the the 3400 and the pictures online at there site shows duel tanks on the s125xt although they maybe showing the same picture for all there models. I just clicked on the picture of the s125xt and scrolled through the 6 pictures and it showed duel tanks.
It only stands to reason that a frame the is 1.5 inches wide and 3 inches deep and 10ga. would not only sustain or carry more weight but would also be better to pull anything than a 1.5 x 2" 11ga would.
Not saying your theory about Larger tires, weight, and suspension making a difference in the ride doesn't have merit but it isn't necessarily hold true either, if that were true than my GS would have a terrible ride because it has smaller tires, narrower wheel base and only weighs 750 lbs and has a better ride than any ztr I've ever been on and it also has a higher degree of slope operation (20 degree) than any ztr.
Ric
The demensions on the specifications of the mowers goes to the top of the rops not from seat to ground, so it's difficult to say which sits lower. However, the 46.5 inches from ground to folded rops on the z master 2000 is 3.5 inches shorter than the s150xt 48". If the zt5400 hydros weighs 60 pounds more each I would think that gives the s150xt a lower center of gravity seeing as how they are attached to the rear wheels.The s125xt has one 5.5 gallon fuel tank, not 2 tanks. There are two metal covers on the icd deck, and there is a well made engine guard on the back where a hitch can be added. Nothing mentioned indicates to me the toro is made any better. Specs about the thickness of the frame doesn't mean much if there is no added benefit from it. As I mentioned earlier I can't see how a thicker frame improves the ride at all. Not understanding that claim. Larger tires, weight, and suspension does make a difference in the ride though.
Being 3.5 inches shorter would contribute to a lower center of gravity and the 5400 drives are only about 30 lbs more each the the 3400 and the pictures online at there site shows duel tanks on the s125xt although they maybe showing the same picture for all there models. I just clicked on the picture of the s125xt and scrolled through the 6 pictures and it showed duel tanks.
It only stands to reason that a frame the is 1.5 inches wide and 3 inches deep and 10ga. would not only sustain or carry more weight but would also be better to pull anything than a 1.5 x 2" 11ga would.
Not saying your theory about Larger tires, weight, and suspension making a difference in the ride doesn't have merit but it isn't necessarily hold true either, if that were true than my GS would have a terrible ride because it has smaller tires, narrower wheel base and only weighs 750 lbs and has a better ride than any ztr I've ever been on and it also has a higher degree of slope operation (20 degree) than any ztr.
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Shughes717
Lol, it's not a theory saying larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride. Larger wheel base improves the ride of cars it's stands to reason it would improve the ride of mowers. Diesel ztrs ride better than gas ztrs. They are heavier. Larger ztr mowers with larger wheels ride better than smaller ztr mowers with smaller tires. It is crazy to say that suspension doesn't improve the ride either. If that were the case cars, trucks, 4 wheelers, and agriculter sprayers would all have rigid frames with no suspension. You are mistaken about the photos of the s125xt. If you look you will notice there is no fuel cap on the right side, just controls. You are the one who mentioned the zt5400 weighs 60 pounds more each. Even at 30 pounds more each that's still 60 pounds at the wheels. 8 gallons of gas weighs 48 pounds. As I also mentioned earlier the frame on the s150xt is strong enough to not only carry the weight of the heavier mower with no issues, but I have 25 gallons of water and chemical I carry on mine with me on it. That 425 pounds up steep hills. My dad also has a trailer style 80 gallon sprayer that I pull for larger jobs with no problems either. You still haven't substantiated your claim about the thicker frame improving the ride. The 3.5" difference mentioned in the specs is from ground to the top of the rops, not ground to seat. That just proves the rops is mounted lower on the z master. Your grand stand rides better because you are standing. Have you not ever been on a motor cycle or 4 wheeler on really rough ground and not stand up to get a little extra shock absorption? Stand on mowers do have a lower center of gravity. Not a fair comparison.
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Shughes717
Being 3.5 inches shorter would contribute to a lower center of gravity and the 5400 drives are only about 30 lbs more each the the 3400 and the pictures online at there site shows duel tanks on the s125xt although they maybe showing the same picture for all there models. I just clicked on the picture of the s125xt and scrolled through the 6 pictures and it showed duel tanks.
It only stands to reason that a frame the is 1.5 inches wide and 3 inches deep and 10ga. would not only sustain or carry more weight but would also be better to pull anything than a 1.5 x 2" 11ga would.
Not saying your theory about Larger tires, weight, and suspension making a difference in the ride doesn't have merit but it isn't necessarily hold true either, if that were true than my GS would have a terrible ride because it has smaller tires, narrower wheel base and only weighs 750 lbs and has a better ride than any ztr I've ever been on and it also has a higher degree of slope operation (20 degree) than any ztr.
Lol, it's not a theory saying larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride. Larger wheel base improves the ride of cars it's stands to reason it would improve the ride of mowers. Diesel ztrs ride better than gas ztrs. They are heavier. Larger ztr mowers with larger wheels ride better than smaller ztr mowers with smaller tires. It is crazy to say that suspension doesn't improve the ride either. If that were the case cars, trucks, 4 wheelers, and agriculter sprayers would all have rigid frames with no suspension. You are mistaken about the photos of the s125xt. If you look you will notice there is no fuel cap on the right side, just controls. You are the one who mentioned the zt5400 weighs 60 pounds more each. Even at 30 pounds more each that's still 60 pounds at the wheels. 8 gallons of gas weighs 48 pounds. As I also mentioned earlier the frame on the s150xt is strong enough to not only carry the weight of the heavier mower with no issues, but I have 25 gallons of water and chemical I carry on mine with me on it. That 425 pounds up steep hills. My dad also has a trailer style 80 gallon sprayer that I pull for larger jobs with no problems either. You still haven't substantiated your claim about the thicker frame improving the ride. The 3.5" difference mentioned in the specs is from ground to the top of the rops, not ground to seat. That just proves the rops is mounted lower on the z master. Your grand stand rides better because you are standing. Have you not ever been on a motor cycle or 4 wheeler on really rough ground and not stand up to get a little extra shock absorption? Stand on mowers do have a lower center of gravity. Not a fair comparison.
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Ric
You need to read my posting because I basically agreed with you to a point, I said... Not saying your theory about Larger tires, weight, and suspension making a difference in the ride doesn't have merit but it isn't necessarily hold true either, it just depends on what mower your talking about that was the reason I used the GS as an example because according to what you say it should be a terrible riding mower due to the smaller tires and lack of weight and the thing that makes me
is the fact it's a better built mower than either of the mowers were talking about including drives. As far as substantiating my claim about the thicker frame improving the ride? I don't have to substantiate that because you already did. Your own words ( Lol, it's not a theory saying larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride.) It stands to reason that a 3" x 1.5 10 ga. frame will weigh more than a 2" x 1.5 11ga. frame. As far as my rops and where it's mounted, it's mounted to the frame behind the seat.
Gotta go Dallas and the Seahawks are playing
Ric
Lol, it's not a theory saying larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride. Larger wheel base improves the ride of cars it's stands to reason it would improve the ride of mowers. Diesel ztrs ride better than gas ztrs. They are heavier. Larger ztr mowers with larger wheels ride better than smaller ztr mowers with smaller tires. It is crazy to say that suspension doesn't improve the ride either. If that were the case cars, trucks, 4 wheelers, and agriculter sprayers would all have rigid frames with no suspension. You are mistaken about the photos of the s125xt. If you look you will notice there is no fuel cap on the right side, just controls. You are the one who mentioned the zt5400 weighs 60 pounds more each. Even at 30 pounds more each that's still 60 pounds at the wheels. 8 gallons of gas weighs 48 pounds. As I also mentioned earlier the frame on the s150xt is strong enough to not only carry the weight of the heavier mower with no issues, but I have 25 gallons of water and chemical I carry on mine with me on it. That 425 pounds up steep hills. My dad also has a trailer style 80 gallon sprayer that I pull for larger jobs with no problems either. You still haven't substantiated your claim about the thicker frame improving the ride. The 3.5" difference mentioned in the specs is from ground to the top of the rops, not ground to seat. That just proves the rops is mounted lower on the z master. Your grand stand rides better because you are standing. Have you not ever been on a motor cycle or 4 wheeler on really rough ground and not stand up to get a little extra shock absorption? Stand on mowers do have a lower center of gravity. Not a fair comparison.
You need to read my posting because I basically agreed with you to a point, I said... Not saying your theory about Larger tires, weight, and suspension making a difference in the ride doesn't have merit but it isn't necessarily hold true either, it just depends on what mower your talking about that was the reason I used the GS as an example because according to what you say it should be a terrible riding mower due to the smaller tires and lack of weight and the thing that makes me
is the fact it's a better built mower than either of the mowers were talking about including drives. As far as substantiating my claim about the thicker frame improving the ride? I don't have to substantiate that because you already did. Your own words ( Lol, it's not a theory saying larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride.) It stands to reason that a 3" x 1.5 10 ga. frame will weigh more than a 2" x 1.5 11ga. frame. As far as my rops and where it's mounted, it's mounted to the frame behind the seat.Gotta go Dallas and the Seahawks are playing
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Shughes717
You say the z master weighs less, so how did I help substantiate your claim? You have not explained how the 3 x 1.5 10 ga. Frame helps the ride one bit. As for the gs it is a different style mower all together. What do you think your legs are working like when you are mowing when on the gs. A suspension! Thanks for helping prove my point. Not comparing apples to apples. I don't think the gs is better built than either the z master or the s150xt. Just a different style mower. The rops may not fold in the same place on the z master as it does on the s150xt either. As I said earlier the only way to know which sits lower is to measure from the ground to the seat not from the ground to the top of the folded rops.
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Shughes717
You need to read my posting because I basically agreed with you to a point, I said... Not saying your theory about Larger tires, weight, and suspension making a difference in the ride doesn't have merit but it isn't necessarily hold true either, it just depends on what mower your talking about that was the reason I used the GS as an example because according to what you say it should be a terrible riding mower due to the smaller tires and lack of weight and the thing that makes me
Gotta go Dallas and the Seahawks are playing
You say the z master weighs less, so how did I help substantiate your claim? You have not explained how the 3 x 1.5 10 ga. Frame helps the ride one bit. As for the gs it is a different style mower all together. What do you think your legs are working like when you are mowing when on the gs. A suspension! Thanks for helping prove my point. Not comparing apples to apples. I don't think the gs is better built than either the z master or the s150xt. Just a different style mower. The rops may not fold in the same place on the z master as it does on the s150xt either. As I said earlier the only way to know which sits lower is to measure from the ground to the seat not from the ground to the top of the folded rops.
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Ric
My seat platform to which the seat attaches to is 23" off the floor. From the floor to the top of my rops is 68.5 inches. From the floor to the bottom of my frame at the engine is 10.5 inches. The GS is a lot better built mower than either of the ones were talking about just simply because it has Hydraulic drives ( separate pumps and wheel motors ) and a Full 7 ga deck and 9 3/8 inch spindles and you substantiated my claim when you yourself said Larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride. So It stands to reason that a 3" x 1.5 10 ga. frame will weigh more than a 2" x 1.5 11ga. frame so it improves the ride. Like I said before.
Ric
You say the z master weighs less, so how did I help substantiate your claim? You have not explained how the 3 x 1.5 10 ga. Frame helps the ride one bit. As for the gs it is a different style mower all together. What do you think your legs are working like when you are mowing when on the gs. A suspension! Thanks for helping prove my point. Not comparing apples to apples. I don't think the gs is better built than either the z master or the s150xt. Just a different style mower. The rops may not fold in the same place on the z master as it does on the s150xt either. As I said earlier the only way to know which sits lower is to measure from the ground to the seat not from the ground to the top of the folded rops.
My seat platform to which the seat attaches to is 23" off the floor. From the floor to the top of my rops is 68.5 inches. From the floor to the bottom of my frame at the engine is 10.5 inches. The GS is a lot better built mower than either of the ones were talking about just simply because it has Hydraulic drives ( separate pumps and wheel motors ) and a Full 7 ga deck and 9 3/8 inch spindles and you substantiated my claim when you yourself said Larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride. So It stands to reason that a 3" x 1.5 10 ga. frame will weigh more than a 2" x 1.5 11ga. frame so it improves the ride. Like I said before.
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Shughes717
How is that when the z master weighs 944 ponds and the s150xt weighs 1107? I didn't help you prove anything. The truth is you can't substantiate your claim that the frame on the z master helps the ride at all. As i mentioned earlier though when you are on the grand stand your legs act as a suspension. There is your better ride compared to the mowers mentioned. I provided explanations for my "theory". I'm not knocking the grand stand. Good mower and has its applications. Two different type mowers. Not apples to apples. Not everyone who has large lawns would want to stand for two or three hours while they mow. You can argue thickness all day long and claim that makes the mower better. If you want to say that a thicker (in places) deck makes the mower better then the john deere mowers, and the outlaw series badboy would be better mowers than the others. I have never seen, heard, nor read on this site about any commercial deck having an issue with bending or breaking. Separate pumps and motors has advantages and disadvantages. One benefit to the hydrogear drives is no hydraulic lines, so it reduces the possibility of leaks. The main issue with any commercial deck is when a bearing goes down. Which can happen to all. If the blades hit something solid then sure it could damage the spindle mounts. If you read the posts on here about issues people have with their commercial mowers spindle mounts aren't mentioned.
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Shughes717
My seat platform to which the seat attaches to is 23" off the floor. From the floor to the top of my rops is 68.5 inches. From the floor to the bottom of my frame at the engine is 10.5 inches. The GS is a lot better built mower than either of the ones were talking about just simply because it has Hydraulic drives ( separate pumps and wheel motors ) and a Full 7 ga deck and 9 3/8 inch spindles and you substantiated my claim when you yourself said Larger tires, weight, and suspension improves the ride. So It stands to reason that a 3" x 1.5 10 ga. frame will weigh more than a 2" x 1.5 11ga. frame so it improves the ride. Like I said before.
How is that when the z master weighs 944 ponds and the s150xt weighs 1107? I didn't help you prove anything. The truth is you can't substantiate your claim that the frame on the z master helps the ride at all. As i mentioned earlier though when you are on the grand stand your legs act as a suspension. There is your better ride compared to the mowers mentioned. I provided explanations for my "theory". I'm not knocking the grand stand. Good mower and has its applications. Two different type mowers. Not apples to apples. Not everyone who has large lawns would want to stand for two or three hours while they mow. You can argue thickness all day long and claim that makes the mower better. If you want to say that a thicker (in places) deck makes the mower better then the john deere mowers, and the outlaw series badboy would be better mowers than the others. I have never seen, heard, nor read on this site about any commercial deck having an issue with bending or breaking. Separate pumps and motors has advantages and disadvantages. One benefit to the hydrogear drives is no hydraulic lines, so it reduces the possibility of leaks. The main issue with any commercial deck is when a bearing goes down. Which can happen to all. If the blades hit something solid then sure it could damage the spindle mounts. If you read the posts on here about issues people have with their commercial mowers spindle mounts aren't mentioned.
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
OK guys, lets take a 7th inning stretch, half time break, or whatever and look at some ZTR facts!!
Most ZTRs have rigid frames, no suspension, several makes/models have some sort of suspension, but are more expensive.
Larger diameter/wider tires both front and rear improve the ride quality.
Heavier machines have a better ride.
Suspension seats improve the operators comfort/ride.
Deck construction varies between manufacturers, but overall, decks are durable.
Spindles are also generally durable, even when not maintained.
Blade life is strictly in the control of the operator.
Decks that can be quickly raised up will improve blade life, but still an operator control situation.
Belts from OEM are generally the best.
Belts as they travel almost always whip, the bigger the deck, the more they whip!!!
Pulley life is always mysterious.
Steering lever feeling differs between pumps/wheel motors and hydrostatic drives.
Hydrostatic drive units have separate hydraulic systems.
Many machines that have separate pumps and wheel motors have a common hydraulic oil reservoir.
Some engines are louder than others.
Some engines burn more fuel per hour than others.
Some engines use more engine oil than others.
Some machines require more frequent maintenance than others.
Some machines have more fuel capacity than others, an item to consider.
Some machines have longer warranties than others, another item to consider.
Blade replacement on all ZTRs can be a pain.
Cleaning the deck also is a pain.
Replacing belts can be a pain.
Mowing wet grass is a pain in the a--!!!!
Some models are more expensive, but why is not obvious.
Some dealers provide great service, some don't.
Some dealers provide loaner machines, some don't.
OK, Mad Mackie does have a few more, but I'll stop here.
Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!!
Recommendations, test drive, or demo, demo preferable.
Do your homework, but do not "over research"!!!
Over researching will leave you in a never satisfied condition!!!
Think before acting.
Mowing wet grass is a pain in the a--, OK, I already said that, get the point?
As for standers, some are OK standing, some rather sit, as for me, I'm a sitter, I'm old!!!!
Later
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
Most ZTRs have rigid frames, no suspension, several makes/models have some sort of suspension, but are more expensive.
Larger diameter/wider tires both front and rear improve the ride quality.
Heavier machines have a better ride.
Suspension seats improve the operators comfort/ride.
Deck construction varies between manufacturers, but overall, decks are durable.
Spindles are also generally durable, even when not maintained.
Blade life is strictly in the control of the operator.
Decks that can be quickly raised up will improve blade life, but still an operator control situation.
Belts from OEM are generally the best.
Belts as they travel almost always whip, the bigger the deck, the more they whip!!!
Pulley life is always mysterious.
Steering lever feeling differs between pumps/wheel motors and hydrostatic drives.
Hydrostatic drive units have separate hydraulic systems.
Many machines that have separate pumps and wheel motors have a common hydraulic oil reservoir.
Some engines are louder than others.
Some engines burn more fuel per hour than others.
Some engines use more engine oil than others.
Some machines require more frequent maintenance than others.
Some machines have more fuel capacity than others, an item to consider.
Some machines have longer warranties than others, another item to consider.
Blade replacement on all ZTRs can be a pain.
Cleaning the deck also is a pain.
Replacing belts can be a pain.
Mowing wet grass is a pain in the a--!!!!
Some models are more expensive, but why is not obvious.
Some dealers provide great service, some don't.
Some dealers provide loaner machines, some don't.
OK, Mad Mackie does have a few more, but I'll stop here.
Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!!
Recommendations, test drive, or demo, demo preferable.
Do your homework, but do not "over research"!!!
Over researching will leave you in a never satisfied condition!!!
Think before acting.
Mowing wet grass is a pain in the a--, OK, I already said that, get the point?
As for standers, some are OK standing, some rather sit, as for me, I'm a sitter, I'm old!!!!
Later
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
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Shughes717
Lol. :thumbsup:
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Shughes717
OK guys, lets take a 7th inning stretch, half time break, or whatever and look at some ZTR facts!!
Most ZTRs have rigid frames, no suspension, several makes/models have some sort of suspension, but are more expensive.
Larger diameter/wider tires both front and rear improve the ride quality.
Heavier machines have a better ride.
Suspension seats improve the operators comfort/ride.
Deck construction varies between manufacturers, but overall, decks are durable.
Spindles are also generally durable, even when not maintained.
Blade life is strictly in the control of the operator.
Decks that can be quickly raised up will improve blade life, but still an operator control situation.
Belts from OEM are generally the best.
Belts as they travel almost always whip, the bigger the deck, the more they whip!!!
Pulley life is always mysterious.
Steering lever feeling differs between pumps/wheel motors and hydrostatic drives.
Hydrostatic drive units have separate hydraulic systems.
Many machines that have separate pumps and wheel motors have a common hydraulic oil reservoir.
Some engines are louder than others.
Some engines burn more fuel per hour than others.
Some engines use more engine oil than others.
Some machines require more frequent maintenance than others.
Some machines have more fuel capacity than others, an item to consider.
Some machines have longer warranties than others, another item to consider.
Blade replacement on all ZTRs can be a pain.
Cleaning the deck also is a pain.
Replacing belts can be a pain.
Mowing wet grass is a pain in the a--!!!!
Some models are more expensive, but why is not obvious.
Some dealers provide great service, some don't.
Some dealers provide loaner machines, some don't.
OK, Mad Mackie does have a few more, but I'll stop here.
Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!!
Recommendations, test drive, or demo, demo preferable.
Do your homework, but do not "over research"!!!
Over researching will leave you in a never satisfied condition!!!
Think before acting.
Mowing wet grass is a pain in the a--, OK, I already said that, get the point?
As for standers, some are OK standing, some rather sit, as for me, I'm a sitter, I'm old!!!!
Later
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
Lol. :thumbsup:
#46
Ric
That would be a good idea, except No Dealers around here will let you demo a mower unless it's in the parking lot that's paved.
Ric
Ask to demo the mowers next spring!!!! Do not buy one until you have used it and "love" it!!!!!!!!
That would be a good idea, except No Dealers around here will let you demo a mower unless it's in the parking lot that's paved.
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zmister11
Yep same here they won't let me actually cut grass with it. They said once it has cut grass every customer wants like 500 bucks off of that machine lol. If yall want to keep going back and forth than that works for me. I've been reading the posts everyday it helps me get all the facts on those mowers lol so thank you
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zmister11
That would be a good idea, except No Dealers around here will let you demo a mower unless it's in the parking lot that's paved.
Yep same here they won't let me actually cut grass with it. They said once it has cut grass every customer wants like 500 bucks off of that machine lol. If yall want to keep going back and forth than that works for me. I've been reading the posts everyday it helps me get all the facts on those mowers lol so thank you
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Shughes717
Lol, I'm glad it's helping. I know it may not seem like it, but I do have respect for Ric. We go back and forth on here from time to time about some things, but it's all in good fun. We don't get angry. It sucks that you don't have any dealers that will let you demo their product. One of our local dealers will even deliver a unit to a potential customer's home for a demo. Demoing a product before a purchase is the best way to ensure you get exactly what you want. As I mentioned in my first post on this thread, no matter what brand you choose, you will be getting a very good mower. The budget you have will get you a top of the line mower.
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Shughes717
Yep same here they won't let me actually cut grass with it. They said once it has cut grass every customer wants like 500 bucks off of that machine lol. If yall want to keep going back and forth than that works for me. I've been reading the posts everyday it helps me get all the facts on those mowers lol so thank you
Lol, I'm glad it's helping. I know it may not seem like it, but I do have respect for Ric. We go back and forth on here from time to time about some things, but it's all in good fun. We don't get angry. It sucks that you don't have any dealers that will let you demo their product. One of our local dealers will even deliver a unit to a potential customer's home for a demo. Demoing a product before a purchase is the best way to ensure you get exactly what you want. As I mentioned in my first post on this thread, no matter what brand you choose, you will be getting a very good mower. The budget you have will get you a top of the line mower.
#49
Ric
Yeah I'm the same way, it's all in fun. In reality the mowers were talking about are all good mowers they all work for our particular needs so really what's there to get angry over. LOL nice too know were helping someone :laughing:
Ric
Yep same here they won't let me actually cut grass with it. They said once it has cut grass every customer wants like 500 bucks off of that machine lol. If yall want to keep going back and forth than that works for me. I've been reading the posts everyday it helps me get all the facts on those mowers lol so thank you
Lol, I'm glad it's helping. I know it may not seem like it, but I do have respect for Ric. We go back and forth on here from time to time about some things, but it's all in good fun. We don't get angry. It sucks that you don't have any dealers that will let you demo their product. One of our local dealers will even deliver a unit to a potential customer's home for a demo. Demoing a product before a purchase is the best way to ensure you get exactly what you want. As I mentioned in my first post on this thread, no matter what brand you choose, you will be getting a very good mower. The budget you have will get you a top of the line mower.
Yeah I'm the same way, it's all in fun. In reality the mowers were talking about are all good mowers they all work for our particular needs so really what's there to get angry over. LOL nice too know were helping someone :laughing:
#50
Ric
Well to begin with my Z Master weighs 926lbs not 944lbs that's the 52" deck. The only difference between the a stander and a rider is where the person absorbs the shock, now true I do have a flex ride platform that helps but there both considered ZT mowers and you if have too mow for two or three hours with a ZTR I can cut that time a lot with a stander.
As far as drives go, the thing that most don't realize is there are better Hydrostatic drives than Hydro-Gear out there on the market like the Parker HT series which is a unitized system, it's a far better system than HG and easier to maintain and changing oil and no hydraulic lines. As for spindles and bearings I don't worry to much about those because Toro has that covered with there sealed bearings, if a bearing goes down they replace it at no cost to me.
Ric
How is that when the z master weighs 944 ponds and the s150xt weighs 1107? I didn't help you prove anything. The truth is you can't substantiate your claim that the frame on the z master helps the ride at all. As i mentioned earlier though when you are on the grand stand your legs act as a suspension. There is your better ride compared to the mowers mentioned. I provided explanations for my "theory". I'm not knocking the grand stand. Good mower and has its applications. Two different type mowers. Not apples to apples. Not everyone who has large lawns would want to stand for two or three hours while they mow. You can argue thickness all day long and claim that makes the mower better. If you want to say that a thicker (in places) deck makes the mower better then the john deere mowers, and the outlaw series badboy would be better mowers than the others. I have never seen, heard, nor read on this site about any commercial deck having an issue with bending or breaking. Separate pumps and motors has advantages and disadvantages. One benefit to the hydrogear drives is no hydraulic lines, so it reduces the possibility of leaks. The main issue with any commercial deck is when a bearing goes down. Which can happen to all. If the blades hit something solid then sure it could damage the spindle mounts. If you read the posts on here about issues people have with their commercial mowers spindle mounts aren't mentioned.
Well to begin with my Z Master weighs 926lbs not 944lbs that's the 52" deck. The only difference between the a stander and a rider is where the person absorbs the shock, now true I do have a flex ride platform that helps but there both considered ZT mowers and you if have too mow for two or three hours with a ZTR I can cut that time a lot with a stander.
As far as drives go, the thing that most don't realize is there are better Hydrostatic drives than Hydro-Gear out there on the market like the Parker HT series which is a unitized system, it's a far better system than HG and easier to maintain and changing oil and no hydraulic lines. As for spindles and bearings I don't worry to much about those because Toro has that covered with there sealed bearings, if a bearing goes down they replace it at no cost to me.
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Shughes717
926 is less than 1107, so how does my explanation of weight help prove your claim that the 10 ga. Frame improves the ride? Some mowers do, In fact, utilize Parker systems. The hustler super z is one. Great mower as well, and if I had 12,000 to spend on a mower I would probably own one. Hydro gear is the most common system used in zero turns. The zt5400 is top of their line and is far better than their smaller drives. There is a reason manufacturers went away from separate pumps and motors. Hydrogear drives are very dependable. Maybe some day mower manufacturers will all switch to Parker systems, but for now hydrogear is the standard for commercial mowers. You are the one who keeps bringing up the size of the spindle plates like its so much better than all the other brands. The spindle assembly on all commercial decks are heavy duty. The deck is not usually the issue with any commercial zero turn. The most common problem you will find on this site is an engine malfunction. Occasionally someone has a transmission issue. Read on here about hydraulic lines leaking and ruining pumps or one wheel not pulling as well as the other, but engine trouble seems to dominate commercial mower issues.
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Shughes717
Well to begin with my Z M aster weighs 926lbs not 944lbs that's the 52" deck. The only difference between the a stander and a rider is where the person absorbs the shock, now true I do have a flex ride platform that helps but there both considered ZT mowers and you if have too mow for two or three hours with a ZTR I can cut that time a lot with a stander.
As far as drives go, the thing that most don't realize is there are better Hydrostatic drives than Hydro-Gear out there on the market like the Parker HT series which is a unitized system, it's a far better system than HG and easier to maintain and changing oil and no no hydraulic lines. As for spindles and bearings I don't worry to much about those because Toro has that covered with there sealed bearings, if a bearing goes down they replace it at no cost to me.
926 is less than 1107, so how does my explanation of weight help prove your claim that the 10 ga. Frame improves the ride? Some mowers do, In fact, utilize Parker systems. The hustler super z is one. Great mower as well, and if I had 12,000 to spend on a mower I would probably own one. Hydro gear is the most common system used in zero turns. The zt5400 is top of their line and is far better than their smaller drives. There is a reason manufacturers went away from separate pumps and motors. Hydrogear drives are very dependable. Maybe some day mower manufacturers will all switch to Parker systems, but for now hydrogear is the standard for commercial mowers. You are the one who keeps bringing up the size of the spindle plates like its so much better than all the other brands. The spindle assembly on all commercial decks are heavy duty. The deck is not usually the issue with any commercial zero turn. The most common problem you will find on this site is an engine malfunction. Occasionally someone has a transmission issue. Read on here about hydraulic lines leaking and ruining pumps or one wheel not pulling as well as the other, but engine trouble seems to dominate commercial mower issues.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
I also can't see how a stander is going to cut my mowing time. 4.2 acres in 2 hours 15 minutes with my 48" s150xt. The grand stand is 2 mph slower. It may maneuver a little better around the trees on my slope, but in the straight away the s150xt will mow circles around the grand stand.
#53
Ric
Your own words or explanation prove my claim, you said yourself Tire size, space between tires, weight, and suspension does improves the ride. I just figured seeing how a larger and heavier frame weighed more it contributed to the ride. I said it wasn't necessarily the case with all mowers using the GS as an example because it's exactly the opposite and it's one of the most productive mowers you can buy for doing lawns between 2000sq.ft and 2 acres. Using a Stander vs a ZTR with the same size deck you can improve your productivity like 30%
The big reason that Hydro-Gear is the most commonly used system in mowers is the fact there the cheapest. If you compare price of the Exmark Lazer Z 48" and My Z-Master you'll find a difference in price because it has the Parker HT series as one of the reasons.
The thing with hydraulic lines leaking and ruining pumps or one wheel not pulling as well as the other is very rare, maybe back when they started using them but the fact is the same thing can happen to the Hydro-Gear stuff too. The biggest reason those type of problems happen is because people are trying to service the units themselves and don't do things correctly like purging the systems.
Ric
926 is less than 1107, so how does my explanation of weight help prove your claim that the 10 ga. Frame improves the ride? Some mowers do, In fact, utilize Parker systems. The hustler super z is one. Great mower as well. Hydro gear is the most common system used in zero turns. The zt5400 is top of their line and is far better than their smaller drives. There is a reason manufacturers went away from separate pumps and motors. Hydrogear drives are very dependable. Maybe some day mower manufacturers will all switch to Parker systems, but for now hydrogear is the standard for commercial mowers. You are the one who keeps bringing up the size of the spindle plates like its so much better than all the other brands. The spindle assembly on all commercial decks are heavy duty. The deck is not usually the issue with any commercial zero turn. The most common problem you will find on this site is an engine malfunction. Occasionally someone has a transmission issue. Read on here about hydraulic lines leaking and ruining pumps or one wheel not pulling as well as the other, but engine trouble seems to dominate commercial mower issues.
Your own words or explanation prove my claim, you said yourself Tire size, space between tires, weight, and suspension does improves the ride. I just figured seeing how a larger and heavier frame weighed more it contributed to the ride. I said it wasn't necessarily the case with all mowers using the GS as an example because it's exactly the opposite and it's one of the most productive mowers you can buy for doing lawns between 2000sq.ft and 2 acres. Using a Stander vs a ZTR with the same size deck you can improve your productivity like 30%
The big reason that Hydro-Gear is the most commonly used system in mowers is the fact there the cheapest. If you compare price of the Exmark Lazer Z 48" and My Z-Master you'll find a difference in price because it has the Parker HT series as one of the reasons.
The thing with hydraulic lines leaking and ruining pumps or one wheel not pulling as well as the other is very rare, maybe back when they started using them but the fact is the same thing can happen to the Hydro-Gear stuff too. The biggest reason those type of problems happen is because people are trying to service the units themselves and don't do things correctly like purging the systems.
#54
Ric
Well I'm talking about the Stander and it doesn't have to be a Grandstand, there are other standers that can be as fast as any ZTR ya know. lawns can be cut about 30% faster using a stand-on mower, particularly on intricate lawns (with flower beds, fences, and numerous trees). I can guarantee I can mow and go places on my stander you'll never see with a ztr.
The Stand-ons are also able to make U-turns more quickly than a riding mower. Stand-on mowers are also able to stop turning more quickly because of their low polar momentum. This also allows for better mowing on steep slopes, in addition to the fact that the rider is able to shift his or her body position to stay plum to gravity. Unlike a sitting riding mower, this permits the weight distribution on the mower wheels to remain fairly equal. This is valuable as an imbalance is what causes a mower to slide while on a slope. Also, the small footprint of the mower helps to keep the mower from hitting obstacles and helps to keep it agile. You also have a better field of vision and you can get on and off to remove debris without doing anything to the mower except starting the pto.
The problem with people and mowers is they have been so brain washed into thinking that a ZTR is the best thing since popcorn and are scared to death to take the plunge and Try or buy a stander. I know when I first saw a stander I thought no way that can't be as good as a ZTR but I found out differently, my productivity went way up over my 48" ztr I was able to do more lawns in less time and use less gas doing it and that effects my bottom line greatly. Even with the purchase of my ZM I still prefer the stander, only problem with that is I can't get the thing away from my wife to use and she refuses to use the ZTR lol.
Ric
I also can't see how a stander is going to cut my mowing time. 4.2 acres in 2 hours 15 minutes with my 48" s150xt. The grand stand is 2 mph slower. It may maneuver a little better around the trees on my slope, but in the straight away the s150xt will mow circles around the grand stand.
Well I'm talking about the Stander and it doesn't have to be a Grandstand, there are other standers that can be as fast as any ZTR ya know. lawns can be cut about 30% faster using a stand-on mower, particularly on intricate lawns (with flower beds, fences, and numerous trees). I can guarantee I can mow and go places on my stander you'll never see with a ztr.
The Stand-ons are also able to make U-turns more quickly than a riding mower. Stand-on mowers are also able to stop turning more quickly because of their low polar momentum. This also allows for better mowing on steep slopes, in addition to the fact that the rider is able to shift his or her body position to stay plum to gravity. Unlike a sitting riding mower, this permits the weight distribution on the mower wheels to remain fairly equal. This is valuable as an imbalance is what causes a mower to slide while on a slope. Also, the small footprint of the mower helps to keep the mower from hitting obstacles and helps to keep it agile. You also have a better field of vision and you can get on and off to remove debris without doing anything to the mower except starting the pto.
The problem with people and mowers is they have been so brain washed into thinking that a ZTR is the best thing since popcorn and are scared to death to take the plunge and Try or buy a stander. I know when I first saw a stander I thought no way that can't be as good as a ZTR but I found out differently, my productivity went way up over my 48" ztr I was able to do more lawns in less time and use less gas doing it and that effects my bottom line greatly. Even with the purchase of my ZM I still prefer the stander, only problem with that is I can't get the thing away from my wife to use and she refuses to use the ZTR lol.
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Shughes717
I still don't get how what I said supports your claim, because it DOESN'T weigh more. If it were heavier made it would be, well, heavier. Most of the commercial mowers out there use hydrogear drives and you don't read about many issues, so as I said they are dependable. I also mentioned in my post that if I had 12k to spend on a mower I would probably own a super z myself. You are trying to compare mowers that are way out of the op's budget to mowers that are in his budget. You are also still trying to compare the ride of a mower that you stand on to one that you sit on. I don't know if you have ever ridden 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, horses, etc but have you ever seen someone going over rough ground, or on a horse with a rough gate stand up? Why do you think they do that? Because their legs act as a suspension. As I mentioned earlier most people who have large lawns don't want to stand for hours to mow it. I know I wouldn't.
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Shughes717
Your own words or explanation prove my claim, you said yourself Tire size, space between tires, weight, and suspension does improves the ride. I just figured seeing how a larger and heavier frame weighed more it contributed to the ride. I said it wasn't necessarily the case with all mowers using the GS as an example because it's exactly the opposite and it's one of the most productive mowers you can buy for doing lawns between 2000sq.ft and 2 acres. Using a Stander vs a ZTR with the same size deck you can improve your productivity like 30%
The big reason that Hydro-Gear is the most commonly used system in mowers is the fact there the cheapest. If you compare price of the Exmark Lazer Z 48" and My Z-Master you'll find a difference in price because it has the Parker HT series as one of the reasons.
The thing with hydraulic lines leaking and ruining pumps or one wheel not pulling as well as the other is very rare, maybe back when they started using them but the fact is the same thing can happen to the Hydro-Gear stuff too. The biggest reason those type of problems happen is because people are trying to service the units themselves and don't do things correctly like purging the systems.
I still don't get how what I said supports your claim, because it DOESN'T weigh more. If it were heavier made it would be, well, heavier. Most of the commercial mowers out there use hydrogear drives and you don't read about many issues, so as I said they are dependable. I also mentioned in my post that if I had 12k to spend on a mower I would probably own a super z myself. You are trying to compare mowers that are way out of the op's budget to mowers that are in his budget. You are also still trying to compare the ride of a mower that you stand on to one that you sit on. I don't know if you have ever ridden 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, horses, etc but have you ever seen someone going over rough ground, or on a horse with a rough gate stand up? Why do you think they do that? Because their legs act as a suspension. As I mentioned earlier most people who have large lawns don't want to stand for hours to mow it. I know I wouldn't.
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Shughes717
I acknowledged that stand on mowers have their application. I don't see how they will increase productivity on large properties, but on smaller properties with slopes and numerous trees I could see them being quicker. If I mowed several properties that were under an acre I would probably look into one, but I have several acres to mow. A stand on won't save me any time. If you think the gs is so much better then why would you purchase a z master?
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Shughes717
Well I'm talking about the Stander and it doesn't have to be a Grandstand, there are other standers that can be as fast as any ZTR ya know. lawns can be cut about 30% faster using a stand-on mower, particularly on intricate lawns (with flower beds, fences, and numerous trees). I can guarantee I can mow and go places on my stander you'll never see with a ztr.
The Stand-ons are also able to make U-turns more quickly than a riding mower. Stand-on mowers are also able to stop turning more quickly because of their low polar momentum. This also allows for better mowing on steep slopes, in addition to the fact that the rider is able to shift his or her body position to stay plum to gravity. Unlike a sitting riding mower, this permits the weight distribution on the mower wheels to remain fairly equal. This is valuable as an imbalance is what causes a mower to slide while on a slope. Also, the small footprint of the mower helps to keep the mower from hitting obstacles and helps to keep it agile. You also have a better field of vision and you can get on and off to remove debris without doing anything to the mower except starting the pto.
The problem with people and mowers is they have been so brain washed into thinking that a ZTR is the best thing since popcorn and are scared to death to take the plunge and Try or buy a stander. I know when I first saw a stander I thought no way that can't be as good as a ZTR but I found out differently, my productivity went way up over my 48" ztr I was able to do more lawns in less time and use less gas doing it and that effects my bottom line greatly. Even with the purchase of my ZM I still prefer the stander, only problem with that is I can't get the thing away from my wife to use and she refuses to use the ZTR lol.
I acknowledged that stand on mowers have their application. I don't see how they will increase productivity on large properties, but on smaller properties with slopes and numerous trees I could see them being quicker. If I mowed several properties that were under an acre I would probably look into one, but I have several acres to mow. A stand on won't save me any time. If you think the gs is so much better then why would you purchase a z master?
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
Hi Guys,
Not many standers of any make around my area. My local Scag dealer also sells Toro, Exmark, Simplicity, and several other low end riding mower lines and gave up Wright machines not long ago. They did have a Scag V Rider in their showroom last summer and I asked if I could demo it in their place, but they declined. Not long after, it was gone, probably to another dealer that had a live customer for it.
What I have noticed about all the standers that I have actually looked at and checked the spec on is that the deck cannot be easily raised up short term to get over an object that would contact the blades. To me this is a show stopper, in addition to not being able to have a sufficient collection system.
If the current standers models had been available 5-8 years ago, I probably would have bought one and made it into a permanent mulcher along with a ZTR with a collection system, which I can easily remove the blower and install the chute onto. The combination of all these would have given me max versatility and still fit into my 7' X 14' cargo trailer. At this point in time, I have given up 2/3 to 3/4 of my customer list and I am winding down, getting too old!!! Only in 2011 did I give up doing snow removal. The phone calls at 2 AM telling me that I had to get their driveways done before 6 AM so they could get out started wearing me down.
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
Not many standers of any make around my area. My local Scag dealer also sells Toro, Exmark, Simplicity, and several other low end riding mower lines and gave up Wright machines not long ago. They did have a Scag V Rider in their showroom last summer and I asked if I could demo it in their place, but they declined. Not long after, it was gone, probably to another dealer that had a live customer for it.
What I have noticed about all the standers that I have actually looked at and checked the spec on is that the deck cannot be easily raised up short term to get over an object that would contact the blades. To me this is a show stopper, in addition to not being able to have a sufficient collection system.
If the current standers models had been available 5-8 years ago, I probably would have bought one and made it into a permanent mulcher along with a ZTR with a collection system, which I can easily remove the blower and install the chute onto. The combination of all these would have given me max versatility and still fit into my 7' X 14' cargo trailer. At this point in time, I have given up 2/3 to 3/4 of my customer list and I am winding down, getting too old!!! Only in 2011 did I give up doing snow removal. The phone calls at 2 AM telling me that I had to get their driveways done before 6 AM so they could get out started wearing me down.
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
#58
Ric
That's what I was saying in the other post and your just an example, you like many others have been so brain washed into thinking that a ZTR is the best thing since popcorn. People are scared to death to take the plunge and Try or buy a stander and it's natural to shy away from things you don't understand or that are new, you've already made up your mind that what you have in a ztr is everything their is and it's the only way to go and your so wrong in your judgement. I can tell you this I'd rather be on my GS 8hrs a day than a ZTR for 4 hours because at the end of that 8 hours I'll step of the machine/GS and I wont hurt or be hurt.
I purchased the Z-Master because it was something I've always said I was going to have and seeing I already had the GS and I had the chance for the ZM I purchased it but in the near future don't be surprised if there's a 48" GS on the trailer, it's still on my list.
Ric
I acknowledged that stand on mowers have their application. I don't see how they will increase productivity on large properties, but on smaller properties with slopes and numerous trees I could see them being quicker. If I mowed several properties that were under an acre I would probably look into one, but I have several acres to mow. A stand on won't save me any time. If you think the gs is so much better then why would you purchase a z master?
That's what I was saying in the other post and your just an example, you like many others have been so brain washed into thinking that a ZTR is the best thing since popcorn. People are scared to death to take the plunge and Try or buy a stander and it's natural to shy away from things you don't understand or that are new, you've already made up your mind that what you have in a ztr is everything their is and it's the only way to go and your so wrong in your judgement. I can tell you this I'd rather be on my GS 8hrs a day than a ZTR for 4 hours because at the end of that 8 hours I'll step of the machine/GS and I wont hurt or be hurt.
I purchased the Z-Master because it was something I've always said I was going to have and seeing I already had the GS and I had the chance for the ZM I purchased it but in the near future don't be surprised if there's a 48" GS on the trailer, it's still on my list.
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Shughes717
I have only had to deal with snow a few times in my life. I grew up and currently live in the country. Everyone in my family has a 4 wheel drive pick up, so we don't worry about snow on our driveways. :wink: I know I don't like standing in one place for much over an hour, so I just don't see myself enjoying a stander as much as I do my ztr.
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Shughes717
Hi Guys,
Not many standers of any make around my area. My local Scag dealer also sells Toro, Exmark, Simplicity, and several other low end riding mower lines and gave up Wright machines not long ago. They did have a Scag V Rider in their showroom last summer and I asked if I could demo it in their place, but they declined. Not long after, it was gone, probably to another dealer that had a live customer for it.
What I have noticed about all the standers that I have actually looked at and checked the spec on is that the deck cannot be easily raised up short term to get over an object that would contact the blades. To me this is a show stopper, in addition to not being able to have a sufficient collection system.
If the current standers models had been available 5-8 years ago, I probably would have bought one and made it into a permanent mulcher along with a ZTR with a collection system, which I can easily remove the blower and install the chute onto. The combination of all these would have given me max versatility and still fit into my 7' X 14' cargo trailer. At this point in time, I have given up 2/3 to 3/4 of my customer list and I am winding down, getting too old!!! Only in 2011 did I give up doing snow removal. The phone calls at 2 AM telling me that I had to get their driveways done before 6 AM so they could get out started wearing me down.
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
I have only had to deal with snow a few times in my life. I grew up and currently live in the country. Everyone in my family has a 4 wheel drive pick up, so we don't worry about snow on our driveways. :wink: I know I don't like standing in one place for much over an hour, so I just don't see myself enjoying a stander as much as I do my ztr.
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Shughes717
I would have no problem trying a stander if I were mowing a bunch of smaller lawns. I think my ztr is the best thing since popcorn because I have a ball mowing with it. Has nothing to do with anyone brain washing me. I have mowed large lawns since I was 10 years old. First mower I ever used was a rer snapper. After that it was mostly john deere tractors except for a few years where my brother and I used two 48" deck cub cadet tractors. I always hated mowing until going with the ztr. I actually look forward to mowing now and am disappointed when the grass dies at the end of the season. You should know enough about me by our clashes on here to know I'm too hard headed to be brain washed:laughing:.
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That's what I was saying in the other post and your just an example, you like many others have been so brain washed into thinking that a ZTR is the best thing since popcorn. People are scared to death to take the plunge and Try or buy a stander and it's natural to shy away from things you don't understand or that are new, you've already made up your mind that what you have in a ztr is everything their is and it's the only way to go and your so wrong in your judgement. I can tell you this I'd rather be on my GS 8hrs a day than a ZTR for 4 hours because at the end of that 8 hours I'll step of the machine/GS and I wont hurt or be hurt.
I purchased the Z-Master because it was something I've always said I was going to have and seeing I already had the GS and I had the chance for the ZM I purchased it but in the near future don't be surprised if there's a 48" GS on the trailer, it's still on my list.
I would have no problem trying a stander if I were mowing a bunch of smaller lawns. I think my ztr is the best thing since popcorn because I have a ball mowing with it. Has nothing to do with anyone brain washing me. I have mowed large lawns since I was 10 years old. First mower I ever used was a rer snapper. After that it was mostly john deere tractors except for a few years where my brother and I used two 48" deck cub cadet tractors. I always hated mowing until going with the ztr. I actually look forward to mowing now and am disappointed when the grass dies at the end of the season. You should know enough about me by our clashes on here to know I'm too hard headed to be brain washed:laughing:.
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zmister11
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Okay so maybe I'll go to the dealer and stand on a few standers lol. Ric you are right. I always thought the standers Wer pretty cool but I've never been able to actually drive one. Now I know the gs is over my price range but if I wanted to look at a few what should I look at in my budget? Maybe the wright stander?
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DK35vince
A stander may be great for smaller lawns, but I mow over 7 acres.
I certainly have no desire to stand the whole time.
I sit down, relax and enjoy the ride on a 72" Super Z. This thing is great, mows my lawn in around 2 hours.
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DK35vince
I'm with you. No brainwashing here.I would have no problem trying a stander if I were mowing a bunch of smaller lawns. I think my ztr is the best thing since popcorn because I have a ball mowing with it. Has nothing to do with anyone brain washing me.
A stander may be great for smaller lawns, but I mow over 7 acres.
I certainly have no desire to stand the whole time.
I sit down, relax and enjoy the ride on a 72" Super Z. This thing is great, mows my lawn in around 2 hours.
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Shughes717
Man, the super z is one of my two favorite ztr mowers. The other is the is2100. A better comparison to the super z would be the is3100 though. Awesome mowers!:thumbsup:
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Shughes717
I'm with you. No brainwashing here.
A stander may be great for smaller lawns, but I mow over 7 acres.
I certainly have no desire to stand the whole time.
I sit down, relax and enjoy the ride on a 72" Super Z. This thing is great, mows my lawn in around 2 hours.
Man, the super z is one of my two favorite ztr mowers. The other is the is2100. A better comparison to the super z would be the is3100 though. Awesome mowers!:thumbsup:
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LoCo86
I own a 52" grandstand and I can tell you it is hard I your legs to stand for 3-4 hours at a time. I would rather just use my walk behind mower with a sulky. The grandstand is up for sale and just bought a Lazer Z x-series 52" to replace it.
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LoCo86
I'm with you. No brainwashing here. A stander may be great for smaller lawns, but I mow over 7 acres. I certainly have no desire to stand the whole time. I sit down, relax and enjoy the ride on a 72" Super Z. This thing is great, mows my lawn in around 2 hours.
I own a 52" grandstand and I can tell you it is hard I your legs to stand for 3-4 hours at a time. I would rather just use my walk behind mower with a sulky. The grandstand is up for sale and just bought a Lazer Z x-series 52" to replace it.
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Ric
OK what size lawns are you mowing and how many do you have. and why the 48"? The Grandstand may or may not be out of your price range, it depends on the one you buy. Generally a dealer will deal on a Grandstand because of its mark up but you should be able to look at or get into a 48" with no problem for under 8500. The MSRP on the 36" is $7495 I believe but can be had for less money, I'll do some checking today. If you can't get into a Grandstand for the money mentioned you probably wont get into a stander because generally speaking when I was shopping for mine the GS were less money than the others. If your where I think you are you can do better than stand on one, you can drive one. Just be-aware there is a learning curve. It will take a few times out to get to know the mower.
Ric
Okay so maybe I'll go to the dealer and stand on a few standers lol. Ric you are right. I always thought the standers Wer pretty cool but I've never been able to actually drive one. Now I know the gs is over my price range but if I wanted to look at a few what should I look at in my budget? Maybe the wright stander?
OK what size lawns are you mowing and how many do you have. and why the 48"? The Grandstand may or may not be out of your price range, it depends on the one you buy. Generally a dealer will deal on a Grandstand because of its mark up but you should be able to look at or get into a 48" with no problem for under 8500. The MSRP on the 36" is $7495 I believe but can be had for less money, I'll do some checking today. If you can't get into a Grandstand for the money mentioned you probably wont get into a stander because generally speaking when I was shopping for mine the GS were less money than the others. If your where I think you are you can do better than stand on one, you can drive one. Just be-aware there is a learning curve. It will take a few times out to get to know the mower.
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Ric
How old is the 52 and how much do you want? If your having an issue with your legs on a Grandstand then your fighting the machine or your scared of it. I'm almost 63 yrs old and I can ride my GS all day and it doesn't bother my legs and my wife does the same. She's likes the machine so much she wont use anything else.
A standing mower puts less stress on one’s back than does a riding mower, where one’s spine is more immediately exposed to the bounces that affect the seat on the ZTR or riding mower. That's the reason I switched to the Stander to begin with, a bad back. The operator of a stand-on mower is able to absorb up and down movement more easily with flexion of the knees and that's something that happens more naturally in this standing position to begin with. Now this doesn't have anything to do with a stand-on but Medical research has even pointed out that those that work standing up, versus sitting down, have decreased rates of heart disease and trust me I know about heart disease.
Ric
I own a 52" grandstand and I can tell you it is hard I your legs to stand for 3-4 hours at a time. I would rather just use my walk behind mower with a sulky. The grandstand is up for sale and just bought a Lazer Z x-series 52" to replace it.
How old is the 52 and how much do you want? If your having an issue with your legs on a Grandstand then your fighting the machine or your scared of it. I'm almost 63 yrs old and I can ride my GS all day and it doesn't bother my legs and my wife does the same. She's likes the machine so much she wont use anything else.
A standing mower puts less stress on one’s back than does a riding mower, where one’s spine is more immediately exposed to the bounces that affect the seat on the ZTR or riding mower. That's the reason I switched to the Stander to begin with, a bad back. The operator of a stand-on mower is able to absorb up and down movement more easily with flexion of the knees and that's something that happens more naturally in this standing position to begin with. Now this doesn't have anything to do with a stand-on but Medical research has even pointed out that those that work standing up, versus sitting down, have decreased rates of heart disease and trust me I know about heart disease.
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zmister11
Most of my lawns are around 0.25-0.50 acre lawns and I have 3 yards that are about 1.5 acres each. Right now I have 25 yards. I know with only that many yards I probably don't NEED something that expensive, but I know I will get more yards soon and I know I'm going to be doing this for a long time so I want something that's going to last.
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zmister11
OK what size lawns are you mowing and how many do you have. and why the 48"? The Grandstand may or may not be out of your price range, it depends on the one you buy. Generally a dealer will deal on a Grandstand because of its mark up but you should be able to look at or get into a 48" with no problem for under 8500. The MSRP on the 36" is $7495 I believe but can be had for less money, I'll do some checking today. If you can't get into a Grandstand for the money mentioned you probably wont get into a stander because generally speaking when I was shopping for mine the GS were less money than the others. If your where I think you are you can do better than stand on one, you can drive one. Just be-aware there is a learning curve. It will take a few times out to get to know the mower.
Most of my lawns are around 0.25-0.50 acre lawns and I have 3 yards that are about 1.5 acres each. Right now I have 25 yards. I know with only that many yards I probably don't NEED something that expensive, but I know I will get more yards soon and I know I'm going to be doing this for a long time so I want something that's going to last.
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Ric
If your yards are that size I'd go with a 36" GS, It will give you advantages that the 48 can't, particularly on intricate lawns (with flower beds, gates and fences, and numerous trees) and the productivity between it and the 48 isn't that great a difference. The 36" is basically maintenance free except for changing the oil because it's all sealed bearings and it will be cheaper to run because it a smaller engine which for a small company like yours and mine it can help with the bottom line. You should be able to get into it for about $6800. If your where I think your at you can test drive mine before you make up your mind.
Ric
Most of my lawns are around 0.25-0.50 acre lawns and I have 3 yards that are about 1.5 acres each. Right now I have 25 yards. I know with only that many yards I probably don't NEED something that expensive, but I know I will get more yards soon and I know I'm going to be doing this for a long time so I want something that's going to last.
If your yards are that size I'd go with a 36" GS, It will give you advantages that the 48 can't, particularly on intricate lawns (with flower beds, gates and fences, and numerous trees) and the productivity between it and the 48 isn't that great a difference. The 36" is basically maintenance free except for changing the oil because it's all sealed bearings and it will be cheaper to run because it a smaller engine which for a small company like yours and mine it can help with the bottom line. You should be able to get into it for about $6800. If your where I think your at you can test drive mine before you make up your mind.
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zmister11
Yeah that would be great! I would love to test drive one if possible. Just let me know please.
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zmister11
If your yards are that size I'd go with a 36" GS, It will give you advantages that the 48 can't, particularly on intricate lawns (with flower beds, gates and fences, and numerous trees) and the productivity between it and the 48 isn't that great a difference. The 36" is basically maintenance free except for changing the oil because it's all sealed bearings and it will be cheaper to run because it a smaller engine which for a small company like yours and mine it can help with the bottom line. You should be able to get into it for about $6800. If your where I think your at you can test drive mine before you make up your mind.
Yeah that would be great! I would love to test drive one if possible. Just let me know please.
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zmister11
Are the back tires on the 36 really narrow? Because I've borrowed a gravely compact 34 once and it made ruts in some of my yards. Some of my yards are on Lake front properties and is always a little wet and those narrow tires didn't help lol
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Ric
Well that depends on what you call narrow. There not as big as the Z Master drive tires but neither is the mower. The 36" weighs in at 756 lbs so you really don't need those larger tires like and 11 or 1200 lb mower would use. The Tire size for the 36" is 18 x 8.5 Now if your asking me if it will makes ruts then the answer would be yes but no more so than any other commercial mower is going to make. The key thing with mowing and not making ruts is to change direction of cut every time or every other time you cut the lawn, that will minimize the ruts.
If you've been following the thread you know both the mowers I use are under 1000 lbs that's why I run what I have because like you I have a situation with wet lawns that stay wet. In the Sub-divisions that I mow there's a minimum 10ft between some houses with the low portion of that 10ft in the middle for drainage and it can be horrible to cut and that's where the Turf-Master comes in handy.
If your setting up for your business buy your mowers according to the area your in or mowing, don't listen to recommendations for people up north because the greatest percentage do know your situation here.
Ric
Are the back tires on the 36 really narrow? Because I've borrowed a gravely compact 34 once and it made ruts in some of my yards. Some of my yards are on Lake front properties and is always a little wet and those narrow tires didn't help lol
Well that depends on what you call narrow. There not as big as the Z Master drive tires but neither is the mower. The 36" weighs in at 756 lbs so you really don't need those larger tires like and 11 or 1200 lb mower would use. The Tire size for the 36" is 18 x 8.5 Now if your asking me if it will makes ruts then the answer would be yes but no more so than any other commercial mower is going to make. The key thing with mowing and not making ruts is to change direction of cut every time or every other time you cut the lawn, that will minimize the ruts.
If you've been following the thread you know both the mowers I use are under 1000 lbs that's why I run what I have because like you I have a situation with wet lawns that stay wet. In the Sub-divisions that I mow there's a minimum 10ft between some houses with the low portion of that 10ft in the middle for drainage and it can be horrible to cut and that's where the Turf-Master comes in handy.
If your setting up for your business buy your mowers according to the area your in or mowing, don't listen to recommendations for people up north because the greatest percentage do know your situation here.
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zmister11
Yeah i always change patterns every cut. I just noticed that the compact pro seemed to rut when my xl 48 doesn't. But that's because of the tires. The pic of the Grandstand seems to be wider than the compact pro 34 so I think I'll be good in that situation
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zmister11
Well that depends on what you call narrow. There not as big as the Z Master drive tires but neither is the mower. The 36" weighs in at 756 lbs so you really don't need those larger tires like and 11 or 1200 lb mower would use. The Tire size for the 36" is 18 x 8.5 Now if your asking me if it will makes ruts then the answer would be yes but no more so than any other commercial mower is going to make. The key thing with mowing and not making ruts is to change direction of cut every time or every other time you cut the lawn, that will minimize the ruts.
If you've been following the thread you know both the mowers I use are under 1000 lbs that's why I run what I have because like you I have a situation with wet lawns that stay wet. In the Sub-divisions that I mow there's a minimum 10ft between some houses with the low portion of that 10ft in the middle for drainage and it can be horrible to cut and that's where the Turf-Master comes in handy.
If your setting up for your business buy your mowers according to the area your in or mowing, don't listen to recommendations for people up north because the greatest percentage do know your situation here.
Yeah i always change patterns every cut. I just noticed that the compact pro seemed to rut when my xl 48 doesn't. But that's because of the tires. The pic of the Grandstand seems to be wider than the compact pro 34 so I think I'll be good in that situation
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LoCo86
It's a 2013 model with just over 50 hrs on the machine. My problem is I can't just stand in one place for long periods of time. Which is why I just assume to use a walk behind pretty much walk the same speed and get my exercise in. I'll take $5800 for the mower.
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LoCo86
How old is the 52 and how much do you want? If your having an issue with your legs on a Grandstand then your fighting the machine or your scared of it. I'm almost 63 yrs old and I can ride my GS all day and it doesn't bother my legs and my wife does the same. She's likes the machine so much she wont use anything else. A standing mower puts less stress on one’s back than does a riding mower, where one’s spine is more immediately exposed to the bounces that affect the seat on the ZTR or riding mower. That's the reason I switched to the Stander to begin with, a bad back. The operator of a stand-on mower is able to absorb up and down movement more easily with flexion of the knees and that's something that happens more naturally in this standing position to begin with. Now this doesn't have anything to do with a stand-on but Medical research has even pointed out that those that work standing up, versus sitting down, have decreased rates of heart disease and trust me I know about heart disease.
It's a 2013 model with just over 50 hrs on the machine. My problem is I can't just stand in one place for long periods of time. Which is why I just assume to use a walk behind pretty much walk the same speed and get my exercise in. I'll take $5800 for the mower.
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Ric
If I wasn't trying to pay my ZM off early that would be something I'd be interested in, that a good price. If you still have it when it payed off I'll look you up.
Ric
It's a 2013 model with just over 50 hrs on the machine. My problem is I can't just stand in one place for long periods of time. Which is why I just assume to use a walk behind pretty much walk the same speed and get my exercise in. I'll take $5800 for the mower.
If I wasn't trying to pay my ZM off early that would be something I'd be interested in, that a good price. If you still have it when it payed off I'll look you up.
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zmister11
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So I'm thinking that I may keep my gravely zt xl 48 since I only have 65 hrs on it, for the bigger yards. And then next year buy the gs 36. That way I'll have both sizes covered.
#76
Ric
Yeah and if you have a 21 inch push you'll have about everything in your yards covered.
Ric
So I'm thinking that I may keep my gravely zt xl 48 since I only have 65 hrs on it, for the bigger yards. And then next year buy the gs 36. That way I'll have both sizes covered.
Yeah and if you have a 21 inch push you'll have about everything in your yards covered.
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zmister11
Yep I do I have a 21 inch snapper commercial push mower.so I think I'm going to go that route
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zmister11
Yeah and if you have a 21 inch push you'll have about everything in your yards covered.
Yep I do
I have a 21 inch snapper commercial push mower.so I think I'm going to go that route
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wdrdoctor
A compact pro 34?
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wdrdoctor
Yeah i always change patterns every cut. I just noticed that the compact pro seemed to rut when my xl 48 doesn't. But that's because of the tires. The pic of the Grandstand seems to be wider than the compact pro 34 so I think I'll be good in that situation
A compact pro 34?
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Ridgewaydevil
My son runs a outdoor power eqiip Co in Durham NC. The best Zero turn mower is Ferris by far.They have shocks on each wheel an ride like a dream.These are commercial mowers with floating an nearly indestructable decks. Go Ferris you'll be glad you did. He also has advised me to shy away from Troy Built an TORO. He keeps a shop full.If interested in a Ferris drop me a PM.
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Next year I will probably be buying another zero turn. But I want it to be full commercial with a 48 inch deck. The dealer that I like sells gravely Dixie's and exmarks. I liked the way the pro turn 148 looks and feels but haven't demoed it. But if yall have any other suggestions I also have scag, ferris, and toro dealers as well. But I definitely don't want to go over 8500. It will be financed and I'll want to wait till next year and hope to get a end of the year sale. Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
My son runs a outdoor power eqiip Co in Durham NC. The best Zero turn mower is Ferris by far.They have shocks on each wheel an ride like a dream.These are commercial mowers with floating an nearly indestructable decks. Go Ferris you'll be glad you did. He also has advised me to shy away from Troy Built an TORO. He keeps a shop full.If interested in a Ferris drop me a PM.
#81
Ric
Personally I don't want anything to do with anything owned by or that B&S has anything to do with.
Ric
My son runs a outdoor power eqiip Co in Durham NC. The best Zero turn mower is Ferris by far.They have shocks on each wheel an ride like a dream.These are commercial mowers with floating an nearly indestructable decks. Go Ferris you'll be glad you did. He also has advised me to shy away from Troy Built an TORO. He keeps a shop full.If interested in a Ferris drop me a PM.
Personally I don't want anything to do with anything owned by or that B&S has anything to do with.
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StratsRock
I just purchased a new Hustler X-One with 48" deck and Kawasaki FX 24hp yesterday. It delivers tomorrow. I paid $7700 with 0% for 48 months. It was an end of season sale.
#83
Ric
I did the same thing with my Z-Master, 0% for 48 months. It's almost like paying cash. :smile: You'll like that Hustler.
Ric
I just purchased a new Hustler X-One with 48" deck and Kawasaki FX 24hp yesterday. It delivers tomorrow. I paid $7700 with 0% for 48 months. It was an end of season sale.
I did the same thing with my Z-Master, 0% for 48 months. It's almost like paying cash. :smile: You'll like that Hustler.
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StratsRock
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StratsRock
Thanks. I'm looking forward to using it. And yes, ya gotta like that 0%. Enjoy your Z-masterI did the same thing with my Z-Master, 0% for 48 months. It's almost like paying cash. :smile: You'll like that Hustler.
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Ridgewaydevil
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Ridgewaydevil
Lots of people run them here.The biggest lawn care Co, thats all they use. You can get bone for $5200.00.If you want a bigger one it's cost a little more.Great mowers with floating decks.They cut grass great.The decks are virtually indestructible an the mower comes with a full 2yr warranty.Also you can finance same.I see a lot of Ferris PRO 60's used by lawn company's around here, but they are over 10,000 dollars.
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Ridgewaydevil
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Yeah you stuck him an ran .I know who you are.Personally I don't want anything to do with anything owned by or that B&S has anything to do with.
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Ric
All the big company's here run Toro, Exmark, Hustler or some Scag. I don't know of anyone running Ferris. Personally I'll take the Full 5 year warranty and 0% financing I get with Toro. As far as the deck being virtually indestructible, any of the fab decks are all nearly indestructible.
Ric
Lots of people run them here.The biggest lawn care Co, thats all they use. You can get bone for $5200.00.If you want a bigger one it's cost a little more.Great mowers with floating decks.They cut grass great.The decks are virtually indestructible an the mower comes with a full 2yr warranty.Also you can finance same.
All the big company's here run Toro, Exmark, Hustler or some Scag. I don't know of anyone running Ferris. Personally I'll take the Full 5 year warranty and 0% financing I get with Toro. As far as the deck being virtually indestructible, any of the fab decks are all nearly indestructible.
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Shughes717
FYI most brands offer 0% interest financing for 48 months, including ferris, so toro having it is no big deal. Kubota even has 54 months at 0%. Everyone on this site knows you have a deep hatred for b&s. As I mentioned before that has nothing to do with ferris, simplicity, or snapper pro. The engines you hate so much are not even offered on those zero turn mowers. The engines that are offered on them are also offered on every other commercial brand out there, including toro.
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Shughes717
All the big company's here run Toro, Exmark, Hustler or some Scag. I don't know of anyone running Ferris. Personally I'll take the Full 5 year warranty and 0% financing I get with Toro. As far as the deck being virtually indestructible, any of the fab decks are all nearly indestructible.
FYI most brands offer 0% interest financing for 48 months, including ferris, so toro having it is no big deal. Kubota even has 54 months at 0%. Everyone on this site knows you have a deep hatred for b&s. As I mentioned before that has nothing to do with ferris, simplicity, or snapper pro. The engines you hate so much are not even offered on those zero turn mowers. The engines that are offered on them are also offered on every other commercial brand out there, including toro.
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jrelkhunt
the best deal is a Dixie chopper 23 hp 54 inch cut for about $4600....far better than all the rest and mows faster if needed,,will last years longer than the rest, longer warranty, and if you need a new one after many years,the chopper is still worth a lot to sell on craigs list
#90
Ric
My deep hatred for b&s is know different than most peoples hatred for mtd. As far as I'm concerned b&s is the same thing. Seeing how ferris, simplicity and snapper are all owned by b&s pretty much says it all.
Ric
FYI most brands offer 0% interest financing for 48 months, including ferris, so toro having it is no big deal. Kubota even has 54 months at 0%. Everyone on this site knows you have a deep hatred for b&s. As I mentioned before that has nothing to do with ferris, simplicity, or snapper pro. The engines you hate so much are not even offered on those zero turn mowers. The engines that are offered on them are also offered on every other commercial brand out there, including toro.
My deep hatred for b&s is know different than most peoples hatred for mtd. As far as I'm concerned b&s is the same thing. Seeing how ferris, simplicity and snapper are all owned by b&s pretty much says it all.
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jrelkhunt
toro,snapper,hustler, aren't even close as to the reliability of the Dixie chopper--Im not a dealer--I have a older one (1995) that keeps on going
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wrede
I have a Gravely 148Z purchased 9 years ago, and it has 570 hours on it. I'm a homeowner, not a commercial business, and have been a Gravely fan for 50 years. This ZTR is heavy, has large wheels, a hydraulic lift deck, Kawasaki 21 hp motor, and cuts very well. Other than a drive belt failure, probably caused by a stick getting in it, it's been trouble free. I fitted a 6 hp TracVac trailer mounted leaf vacuum to it, and it has no problem towing that around. Around here (NJ), there are very few Gravely dealers, but I haven't needed any service. I mow about 1 1/2 acres once or twice a week, and another 2 acres every 2 weeks.
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Shughes717
Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all still made at the same factories by the same people who were making them before b&s purchased them. The parent company has nothing to do with the quality of those mowers. They use the same drive train components as most of the other brands do. Those posting on here that their brand is better than the others are making claims that they can't prove, because they have not used the other brands. When it comes to commercial mowers they are only going to be as reliable as the drive train that's on them, and they all have the same options. Anyone looking to buy a new commercial ztr mower should look at what's available in their area, decide what engine and transmission options they want, and shop for the best deal. There are extra features that each brand offers to appeal to different consumers, that's how the brands separate themselves.
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Shughes717
My deep hatred for b&s is know different than most peoples hatred for mtd. As far as I'm concerned b&s is the same thing. Seeing how ferris, simplicity and snapper are all owned by b&s pretty much says it all.
Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all still made at the same factories by the same people who were making them before b&s purchased them. The parent company has nothing to do with the quality of those mowers. They use the same drive train components as most of the other brands do. Those posting on here that their brand is better than the others are making claims that they can't prove, because they have not used the other brands. When it comes to commercial mowers they are only going to be as reliable as the drive train that's on them, and they all have the same options. Anyone looking to buy a new commercial ztr mower should look at what's available in their area, decide what engine and transmission options they want, and shop for the best deal. There are extra features that each brand offers to appeal to different consumers, that's how the brands separate themselves.
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Pepfoot
Just picked up my Kubota Z700 series with the 54" deck...0% for 48 months, extended warranty, etc. Seems to be a fantastic mower thus far. Will go faster than you'd likely normally want to go & mulches the clippings pretty much down to nothing. They are promoting at $1000 under MSRP right now...
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Shughes717
How many of the other brands have you owned, or even used? Hard to make that claim without having used the other brands. There are Many mowers out there from all of the brands that are 20 years old and still running. It just depends on how the owner takes care of the machine.
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Shughes717
toro,snapper,hustler, aren't even close as to the reliability of the Dixie chopper--Im not a dealer--I have a older one (1995) that keeps on going
How many of the other brands have you owned, or even used? Hard to make that claim without having used the other brands. There are Many mowers out there from all of the brands that are 20 years old and still running. It just depends on how the owner takes care of the machine.
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Shughes717
Which model are you talking about? Is it one of their residential models such as the zee, or the magnum? If so I would much rather have one that is built with heavier commercial components for large properties. Can get other brands that offer a 60" fabricated deck, fs series commercial Kawi engine, and commercial zt3400 hydros in the 5k price range. Btw, the Dixie chopper offers the same hydros as the other brands do. The magnum has zt3200 hydros so it won't go as fast as a mower with zt3400 hydros.
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Zero Turn Mower Race 2011 - YouTube
Apr 28, 2011 - Uploaded by TheMowerman33
Zero Turn Mower race between Exmark Lazer Z, Scag Cheetah, Hustler Super Z, John Deere ... Take a look at this video and see if you still want to claim the Dixie chopper is faster.
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Shughes717
the best deal is a Dixie chopper 23 hp 54 inch cut for about $4600....far better than all the rest and mows faster if needed,,will last years longer than the rest, longer warranty, and if you need a new one after many years,the chopper is still worth a lot to sell on craigs list
Which model are you talking about? Is it one of their residential models such as the zee, or the magnum? If so I would much rather have one that is built with heavier commercial components for large properties. Can get other brands that offer a 60" fabricated deck, fs series commercial Kawi engine, and commercial zt3400 hydros in the 5k price range. Btw, the Dixie chopper offers the same hydros as the other brands do. The magnum has zt3200 hydros so it won't go as fast as a mower with zt3400 hydros.
► 3:36► 3:36
Zero Turn Mower Race 2011 - YouTube
Apr 28, 2011 - Uploaded by TheMowerman33
Zero Turn Mower race between Exmark Lazer Z, Scag Cheetah, Hustler Super Z, John Deere ... Take a look at this video and see if you still want to claim the Dixie chopper is faster.
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Shughes717
I have been looking hard at one of them myself. Great looking mower. Keep us posted after you have put several hours on it.
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Shughes717
Just picked up my Kubota Z700 series with the 54" deck...0% for 48 months, extended warranty, etc. Seems to be a fantastic mower thus far. Will go faster than you'd likely normally want to go & mulches the clippings pretty much down to nothing. They are promoting at $1000 under MSRP right now...
I have been looking hard at one of them myself. Great looking mower. Keep us posted after you have put several hours on it.
#98
Ric
Seen that video before. All these claims of who has the fastest mower is irrelevant because they can any of them mow a lawn at that speed. If you want to have the fastest mower available better look at the Altoz, it's probable faster than the rest .
Ric
Which model are you talking about? Is it one of their residential models such as the zee, or the magnum? If so I would much rather have one that is built with heavier commercial components for large properties. Can get other brands that offer a 60" fabricated deck, fs series commercial Kawi engine, and commercial zt3400 hydros in the 5k price range. Btw, the Dixie chopper offers the same hydros as the other brands do. The magnum has zt3200 hydros so it won't go as fast as a mower with zt3400 hydros.
► 3:36► 3:36
Zero Turn Mower Race 2011 - YouTube
Apr 28, 2011 - Uploaded by TheMowerman33
Zero Turn Mower race between Exmark Lazer Z, Scag Cheetah, Hustler Super Z, John Deere ... Take a look at this video and see if you still want to claim the Dixie chopper is faster.
Seen that video before. All these claims of who has the fastest mower is irrelevant because they can any of them mow a lawn at that speed. If you want to have the fastest mower available better look at the Altoz, it's probable faster than the rest .
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Shughes717
Agreed. Most can't mow at top speed. The altos is a great looking mower, but we have no dealers in my area. I am interested in checking one out and seeing what kind of price tag they have.
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Shughes717
Seen that video before. All these claims of who has the fastest mower is irrelevant because they can any of them mow a lawn at that speed. If you want to have the fastest mower available better look at the Altoz, it's probable faster than the rest .
Agreed. Most can't mow at top speed. The altos is a great looking mower, but we have no dealers in my area. I am interested in checking one out and seeing what kind of price tag they have.
#100
Locqus
Locqus
Always been a Hustler guy myself. I think I picked up the new 60'' X-One for about 8200. Love that thing.
#101
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sandersgary
Don't have a quote for you, but I would have nothing but a scag. I have my second turf tiger. Great mower and you can get 0 % financing through Sheffield Financial
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sandersgary
Next year I will probably be buying another zero turn. But I want it to be full commercial with a 48 inch deck. The dealer that I like sells gravely Dixie's and exmarks. I liked the way the pro turn 148 looks and feels but haven't demoed it. But if yall have any other suggestions I also have scag, ferris, and toro dealers as well. But I definitely don't want to go over 8500. It will be financed and I'll want to wait till next year and hope to get a end of the year sale. Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
Don't have a quote for you, but I would have nothing but a scag. I have my second turf tiger. Great mower and you can get 0 % financing through Sheffield Financial
#102
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Shughes717
I have a friend who has an x one. Great mower.
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Shughes717
Always been a Hustler guy myself. I think I picked up the new 60'' X-One for about 8200. Love that thing.
I have a friend who has an x one. Great mower.
#103
RajunCajun
As another member stated
"Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all still made at the same factories by the same people who were making them before b&s purchased them. The parent company has nothing to do with the quality of those mowers."
I hold this to be true. B&S owns the above companies. Ironic that they allow Kawasaki engines to be installed on "their" B&S owned/built products. So that is my point in proving that the parent company has not changed the quality control structure of Ferris, Snapper Pro, or Simplicity. If fact it appears B&S has allowed the collaboration between these companies as they now have the same mowing decks. Basically, with the three different brands, You have the choice of a suspension frame (Ferris), a lesser suspension frame (Simplicity), or a no suspension frame (Snapper Pro). This really let's you buy according to your budget without sacrificing quality.
After much research, I purchased a Snapper Pro S150XT 52" Kawasaki Fx730 24 hp. Which includes Flat free front tires, HG5400 transaxles, ICd deck, stripping kit, nice seat, roll bar, (2) five gallon fuel tanks, a fuel tank selector valve. Large flexible rubber grass deflector. 23x10.5x12 rear tires. ($5699 last years' model)
It cuts great. Runs great. Never felt it strain under high grass or going up a steep grade. It's a beast. Pictures borrowed from SLE website.
Just my 2 cents,
RajunCajun
RajunCajun
My deep hatred for b&s is know different than most peoples hatred for mtd. As far as I'm concerned b&s is the same thing. Seeing how ferris, simplicity and snapper are all owned by b&s pretty much says it all.
As another member stated
"Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all still made at the same factories by the same people who were making them before b&s purchased them. The parent company has nothing to do with the quality of those mowers."
I hold this to be true. B&S owns the above companies. Ironic that they allow Kawasaki engines to be installed on "their" B&S owned/built products. So that is my point in proving that the parent company has not changed the quality control structure of Ferris, Snapper Pro, or Simplicity. If fact it appears B&S has allowed the collaboration between these companies as they now have the same mowing decks. Basically, with the three different brands, You have the choice of a suspension frame (Ferris), a lesser suspension frame (Simplicity), or a no suspension frame (Snapper Pro). This really let's you buy according to your budget without sacrificing quality.
After much research, I purchased a Snapper Pro S150XT 52" Kawasaki Fx730 24 hp. Which includes Flat free front tires, HG5400 transaxles, ICd deck, stripping kit, nice seat, roll bar, (2) five gallon fuel tanks, a fuel tank selector valve. Large flexible rubber grass deflector. 23x10.5x12 rear tires. ($5699 last years' model)
It cuts great. Runs great. Never felt it strain under high grass or going up a steep grade. It's a beast. Pictures borrowed from SLE website.
Just my 2 cents,
RajunCajun
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Shughes717
Very good mowers. Mine has been great. My dad's s200xt is an awesome mower as well. I'm sure it's a typo and I know some on here may want to make a correction. The s150xt has zt5400 hydros made by hydrogear and an icd deck. You are right on with the rest of your comments though. You got a great deal on that mower. I would suggest either purchasing the suspension insert, or a suspension seat. My dad has the insert and it greatly improved the ride of the machine.
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Shughes717
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As another member stated
"Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all still made at the same factories by the same people who were making them before b&s purchased them. The parent company has nothing to do with the quality of those mowers."
I hold this to be true. B&S owns the above companies. Ironic that they allow Kawasaki engines to be installed on "their" B&S owned/built products. So that is my point in proving that the parent company has not changed the quality control structure of Ferris, Snapper Pro, or Simplicity. If fact it appears B&S has allowed the collaboration between these companies as they now have the same mowing decks. Basically, with the three different brands, You have the choice of a suspension frame (Ferris), a lesser suspension frame (Simplicity), or a no suspension frame (Snapper Pro). This really let's you buy according to your budget without sacrificing quality.
After much research, I purchased a Snapper Pro S150XT 52" Kawasaki Fx730 24 hp. Which includes Flat free front tires, HG5400 transaxles, ICP deck, stripping kit, nice seat, roll bar, (2) five gallon fuel tanks, a fuel tank selector valve. Large flexible rubber grass deflector. 23x10.5x12 rear tires. ($5699 last years' model)
It cuts great. Runs great. Never felt it strain under high grass or going up a steep grade. Pictures attached.
Just my 2 cents,
RajunCajun
Very good mowers. Mine has been great. My dad's s200xt is an awesome mower as well. I'm sure it's a typo and I know some on here may want to make a correction. The s150xt has zt5400 hydros made by hydrogear and an icd deck. You are right on with the rest of your comments though. You got a great deal on that mower. I would suggest either purchasing the suspension insert, or a suspension seat. My dad has the insert and it greatly improved the ride of the machine.
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zmister11
Do you use ur mower for commercial?
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zmister11
<img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachments/mower-equipment-buying-pricing/23781-best-commercial-mower-under-8500-a-image-jpg"/><img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachments/mower-equipment-buying-pricing/23782-best-commercial-mower-under-8500-a-image-jpg"/><img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachments/mower-equipment-buying-pricing/23783-best-commercial-mower-under-8500-a-image-jpg"/>
As another member stated
"Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all still made at the same factories by the same people who were making them before b&s purchased them. The parent company has nothing to do with the quality of those mowers."
I hold this to be true. B&S owns the above companies. Ironic that they allow Kawasaki engines to be installed on "their" B&S owned/built products. So that is my point in proving that the parent company has not changed the quality control structure of Ferris, Snapper Pro, or Simplicity. If fact it appears B&S has allowed the collaboration between these companies as they now have the same mowing decks. Basically, with the three different brands, You have the choice of a suspension frame (Ferris), a lesser suspension frame (Simplicity), or a no suspension frame (Snapper Pro). This really let's you buy according to your budget without sacrificing quality.
After much research, I purchased a Snapper Pro S150XT 52" Kawasaki Fx730 24 hp. Which includes Flat free front tires, HG5400 transaxles, ICP deck, stripping kit, nice seat, roll bar, (2) five gallon fuel tanks, a fuel tank selector valve. Large flexible rubber grass deflector. 23x10.5x12 rear tires. ($5699 last years' model)
It cuts great. Runs great. Never felt it strain under high grass or going up a steep grade. It's a beast. Pictures attached.
Just my 2 cents,
RajunCajun
Do you use ur mower for commercial?
#106
RajunCajun
No I dont. My property, my elderly parents and inlaws. Total about 5.5 acres weekly.
I installed ITP AllTrail tires for more grip in wet areas.
RajunCajun
Do you use ur mower for commercial?
No I dont. My property, my elderly parents and inlaws. Total about 5.5 acres weekly.
I installed ITP AllTrail tires for more grip in wet areas.
#107
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zmister11
Oh okay thanks
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zmister11
No I dont. My property, my elderly parents and inlaws. Total about 5.5 acres weekly.
I installed ITP AllTrail tires for more grip in wet areas.<img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachments/mower-equipment-buying-pricing/23785-best-commercial-mower-under-8500-a-image-jpg"/>
Oh okay thanks
#108
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RaulMcCai
Well some things to consider might include whether you have hilly terrain or boggy to deal with. Lots of hills can trash the drive units on faster mowers and bogs are always fun.
I got a Ferris IS1500Z with the suspension and I gotta say I love the thing. Runs like a top, cut is great, and it smooths out the bumps so sweetly.
If my mower was being run by other people I'd prolly have gotten a Scag because they are tough as nails.
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RaulMcCai
Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
Well some things to consider might include whether you have hilly terrain or boggy to deal with. Lots of hills can trash the drive units on faster mowers and bogs are always fun.
I got a Ferris IS1500Z with the suspension and I gotta say I love the thing. Runs like a top, cut is great, and it smooths out the bumps so sweetly.
If my mower was being run by other people I'd prolly have gotten a Scag because they are tough as nails.
#109
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zmister11
Okay thanks. I live in Florida so not too hilly lol just always wet
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zmister11
Well some things to consider might include whether you have hilly terrain or boggy to deal with. Lots of hills can trash the drive units on faster mowers and bogs are always fun.
I got a Ferris IS1500Z with the suspension and I gotta say I love the thing. Runs like a top, cut is great, and it smooths out the bumps so sweetly.
If my mower was being run by other people I'd prolly have gotten a Scag because they are tough as nails.
Okay thanks. I live in Florida so not too hilly lol just always wet
#110
RajunCajun
I'm looking at a couple of airbag setups. Pretty good reviews on these.
RajunCajun
RajunCajun
Very good mowers. Mine has been great. My dad's s200xt is an awesome mower as well. I'm sure it's a typo and I know some on here may want to make a correction. The s150xt has zt5400 hydros made by hydrogear and an icd deck. You are right on with the rest of your comments though. You got a great deal on that mower. I would suggest either purchasing the suspension insert, or a suspension seat. My dad has the insert and it greatly improved the ride of the machine.
I'm looking at a couple of airbag setups. Pretty good reviews on these.
RajunCajun
#111
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RaulMcCai
I used to live in FL
As a kid I lived in Eustice, Tarpon Springs, & Tampa and in 2000 I spent a year in West Palm Beach.
I liked WPB in the winter.
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RaulMcCai
Florida so not too hilly lol just always wet
I used to live in FL
As a kid I lived in Eustice, Tarpon Springs, & Tampa and in 2000 I spent a year in West Palm Beach.
I liked WPB in the winter.
#112
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zmister11
Yeah it's nice here. Never too cold lol
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zmister11
I used to live in FL
As a kid I lived in Eustice, Tarpon Springs, & Tampa and in 2000 I spent a year in West Palm Beach.
I liked WPB in the winter.
Yeah it's nice here. Never too cold lol
#113
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Shughes717
I really like the is1500. It's a shame ferris discontinued them. I would have probably upgraded to one.
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Shughes717
Well some things to consider might include whether you have hilly terrain or boggy to deal with. Lots of hills can trash the drive units on faster mowers and bogs are always fun.
I got a Ferris IS1500Z with the suspension and I gotta say I love the thing. Runs like a top, cut is great, and it smooths out the bumps so sweetly.
If my mower was being run by other people I'd prolly have gotten a Scag because they are tough as nails.
I really like the is1500. It's a shame ferris discontinued them. I would have probably upgraded to one.
#114
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kterry
I was in the same boat last year I went with the ferris 700 54 in deck I was looking for the bang for the buck it fit what I was looking for if it was me I would call Bridgett at oconners in Oklahoma I think they have the best deal I went to my local ferris dealer they wanted 1800.00 more for the same mower just look at their website they snapper and toro what ever commercial mower you chose will work great for you just look at what fits you needs I can tell u how to read their codes on pricing
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kterry
Most I see around here are sold at tractor supply. You say that like that's a bad thing.
I was in the same boat last year I went with the ferris 700 54 in deck I was looking for the bang for the buck it fit what I was looking for if it was me I would call Bridgett at oconners in Oklahoma I think they have the best deal I went to my local ferris dealer they wanted 1800.00 more for the same mower just look at their website they snapper and toro what ever commercial mower you chose will work great for you just look at what fits you needs I can tell u how to read their codes on pricing
#115
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Irepair
ExMark is the way to go !
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Irepair
Next year I will probably be buying another zero turn. But I want it to be full commercial with a 48 inch deck. The dealer that I like sells gravely Dixie's and exmarks. I liked the way the pro turn 148 looks and feels but haven't demoed it. But if yall have any other suggestions I also have scag, ferris, and toro dealers as well. But I definitely don't want to go over 8500. It will be financed and I'll want to wait till next year and hope to get a end of the year sale. Just trying to figure out which mower I should be saving up for
ExMark is the way to go !
#116
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wingfsmith
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wingfsmith
I own a Hustler Z 23 HP with a 60 inch cut, that has required one mower deck bearing and one mower deck belt in eight years and 650 hours. The two things I was looking for when I was making a purchase decision was a convenient full service dealer and a well built mower with a Kawasaki engine. I would test drive the top four that meet your specifications, on your turf for cut and ride. If you have a rough lawn some will shake your teeth loose. I stopped by Tractor Supply and happened to see the Bad Boy which was pretty impressive for the money, but I have no idea what the after sale support would be like. BTW, Hustler I understand was bought out by X-Mark which was always considered the mower of choice for professionals in our area. Good Luck.
#117
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Shughes717
Exmark is owned by toro. Hustler and big dog are owned by Excel. Hustler has nothing to do with exmark
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Shughes717
I own a Hustler Z 23 HP with a 60 inch cut, that has required one mower deck bearing and one mower deck belt in eight years and 650 hours. The two things I was looking for when I was making a purchase decision was a convenient full service dealer and a well built mower with a Kawasaki engine. I would test drive the top four that meet your specifications, on your turf for cut and ride. If you have a rough lawn some will shake your teeth loose. I stopped by Tractor Supply and happened to see the Bad Boy which was pretty impressive for the money, but I have no idea what the after sale support would be like. BTW, Hustler I understand was bought out by X-Mark which was always considered the mower of choice for professionals in our area. Good Luck.
Exmark is owned by toro. Hustler and big dog are owned by Excel. Hustler has nothing to do with exmark
#118
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zmister11
Their pretty expensive. Our the exmark vantage and toro gs roughly the same price? Or is the exmark more expensive
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zmister11
ExMark is the way to go !
Their pretty expensive. Our the exmark vantage and toro gs roughly the same price? Or is the exmark more expensive
#119
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Shughes717
Have you decided against the grand stand?
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Shughes717
Their pretty expensive. Our the exmark vantage and toro gs roughly the same price? Or is the exmark more expensive
Have you decided against the grand stand?
#120
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zmister11
No I'm still thinking about it. Just seeing what's all out their 1st. And none of the dealer's have the 36 gs in stock yet. So I haven't been able to see it in person yet. Their supposed to get more within the next few weeks
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zmister11
Have you decided against the grand stand?
No I'm still thinking about it. Just seeing what's all out their 1st. And none of the dealer's have the 36 gs in stock yet. So I haven't been able to see it in person yet. Their supposed to get more within the next few weeks
#121
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Shughes717
I am a firm believer that those looking to buy should look at what they have available in their area, demo them all, and shop the best deal. Sometimes one will stand out as the mower that best suits the buyers needs. Sounds like you are being thorough. That is smart, because you have plenty of time to decide. It makes it a little more difficult for you seeing as how no dealers in your area will allow you to demo their machines.
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Shughes717
No I'm still thinking about it. Just seeing what's all out their 1st. And none of the dealer's have the 36 gs in stock yet. So I haven't been able to see it in person yet. Their supposed to get more within the next few weeks
I am a firm believer that those looking to buy should look at what they have available in their area, demo them all, and shop the best deal. Sometimes one will stand out as the mower that best suits the buyers needs. Sounds like you are being thorough. That is smart, because you have plenty of time to decide. It makes it a little more difficult for you seeing as how no dealers in your area will allow you to demo their machines.
#122
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zmister11
Yeah atleast I have time. But it does suck that they won't let you demo one. Only in the parking lot lol
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zmister11
I am a firm believer that those looking to buy should look at what they have available in their area, demo them all, and shop the best deal. Sometimes one will stand out as the mower that best suits the buyers needs. Sounds like you are being thorough. That is smart, because you have plenty of time to decide. It makes it a little more difficult for you seeing as how no dealers in your area will allow you to demo their machines.
Yeah atleast I have time. But it does suck that they won't let you demo one. Only in the parking lot lol
#123
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LoCo86
Exmark will always be the more expensive of the two.
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LoCo86
Their pretty expensive. Our the exmark vantage and toro gs roughly the same price? Or is the exmark more expensive
Exmark will always be the more expensive of the two.
#124
Ric
I told you when your ready to let me know and you can demo the GS 36" I let you mow my Lawn :laughing: Just kidding about the lawn, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. You actually would be better off with the GS it's better built than the Vantage and it's an all around better mower.
Ric
Yeah at least I have time. But it does suck that they won't let you demo one. Only in the parking lot lol
I told you when your ready to let me know and you can demo the GS 36" I let you mow my Lawn :laughing: Just kidding about the lawn, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. You actually would be better off with the GS it's better built than the Vantage and it's an all around better mower.
#125
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StratsRock
Dealer delivered my Hustler X-One 48" yesterday. Paid $7700 for year end. Had 0.7 in the hour meter. My first ZT. Practiced mowing my yard. I'm sure I looked like a drunken sailor.
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StratsRock
Always been a Hustler guy myself. I think I picked up the new 60'' X-One for about 8200. Love that thing.
Dealer delivered my Hustler X-One 48" yesterday. Paid $7700 for year end. Had 0.7 in the hour meter. My first ZT. Practiced mowing my yard. I'm sure I looked like a drunken sailor.
#126
Ric
I think there a lot of people who think it's as easy to operate a ztr as just getting on and taking off but there's a little more to it than one thinks. 2 or 3 times out and you'll have the hang of it.
Ric
Dealer delivered my Hustler X-One 48" yesterday. Paid $7700 for year end. Had 0.7 in the hour meter. My first ZT. Practiced mowing my yard. I'm sure I looked like a drunken sailor.
I think there a lot of people who think it's as easy to operate a ztr as just getting on and taking off but there's a little more to it than one thinks. 2 or 3 times out and you'll have the hang of it.
#127
Ric
I here this demo thing all the time but I still have never found a dealer to let you take it home to actually mow a lawn. They really don't like you to use one in the parking lot. They'll let you sit on a ZTR or stand on a stander to see how they feel in there show room but they sure wont move a half dozen mowers in there showroom get the one you want to try out and I can see there point and reasoning.
Ric
I am a firm believer that those looking to buy should look at what they have available in their area, demo them all, and shop the best deal. Sometimes one will stand out as the mower that best suits the buyers needs. Sounds like you are being thorough. That is smart, because you have plenty of time to decide. It makes it a little more difficult for you seeing as how no dealers in your area will allow you to demo their machines.
I here this demo thing all the time but I still have never found a dealer to let you take it home to actually mow a lawn. They really don't like you to use one in the parking lot. They'll let you sit on a ZTR or stand on a stander to see how they feel in there show room but they sure wont move a half dozen mowers in there showroom get the one you want to try out and I can see there point and reasoning.
#129
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Shughes717
As I said before, we have dealers up here who have demo models that they will deliver to a customers house to try them out. Had a dealer here who offered to bring a country clipper to my house for a demo. My wife vetoed it because she said our mower was paid for and even though it is only a 48" I still get the job done fast enough. lol I sure was interested in the 60" country clipper charger. Really like the single joystick and the flip forward deck. I don't know if they use late model mowers that are trade ins as demos, or just a new mower that they send out as a demo and sell it at a discount later, but it helps them get business. Dealers have been doing that here for years.
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Shughes717
I here this demo thing all the time but I still have never found a dealer to let you take it home to actually mow a lawn. They really don't like you to use one in the parking lot. They'll let you sit on a ZTR or stand on a stander to see how they feel in there show room but they sure wont move a half dozen mowers in there showroom get the one you want to try out and I can see there point and reasoning.
As I said before, we have dealers up here who have demo models that they will deliver to a customers house to try them out. Had a dealer here who offered to bring a country clipper to my house for a demo. My wife vetoed it because she said our mower was paid for and even though it is only a 48" I still get the job done fast enough. lol I sure was interested in the 60" country clipper charger. Really like the single joystick and the flip forward deck. I don't know if they use late model mowers that are trade ins as demos, or just a new mower that they send out as a demo and sell it at a discount later, but it helps them get business. Dealers have been doing that here for years.
#130
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zmister11
Haha okay. My schedule should slow down soon and then hopefully I can come test out your mower I have 3 jobs so it's hard to get a day off lol
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zmister11
I told you when your ready to let me know and you can demo the GS 36" I let you mow my Lawn :laughing: Just kidding about the lawn, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. You actually would be better off with the GS it's better built than the Vantage and it's an all around better mower.
Haha okay. My schedule should slow down soon and then hopefully I can come test out your mower
I have 3 jobs so it's hard to get a day off lol
#131
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LoCo86
We use to have that luxury here but the only company now that will let you take one home to try out is grasshopper. I don't know why the dealers stopped letting you take one home and try it out. On a side note I did try to demo a Dixie Chopper at one time and when I asked to demo a machine the guy stood back and said are you just looking for a mower to use for today as if I was just needing to borrow one of his mowers to complete the day out. Kinda pissed me off so I never had any dealings with them anymore.
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LoCo86
As I said before, we have dealers up here who have demo models that they will deliver to a customers house to try them out. Had a dealer here who offered to bring a country clipper to my house for a demo. My wife vetoed it because she said our mower was paid for and even though it is only a 48" I still get the job done fast enough. lol I sure was interested in the 60" country clipper charger. Really like the single joystick and the flip forward deck. I don't know if they use late model mowers that are trade ins as demos, or just a new mower that they send out as a demo and sell it at a discount later, but it helps them get business. Dealers have been doing that here for years.
We use to have that luxury here but the only company now that will let you take one home to try out is grasshopper. I don't know why the dealers stopped letting you take one home and try it out. On a side note I did try to demo a Dixie Chopper at one time and when I asked to demo a machine the guy stood back and said are you just looking for a mower to use for today as if I was just needing to borrow one of his mowers to complete the day out. Kinda pissed me off so I never had any dealings with them anymore.
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Ric
Things here have slowed down now, now I can get some time to start some maintenance and cleaning on the mowers. It's going to be nice have a little break, at least until the phone starts ringing.
Ric
Haha okay. My schedule should slow down soon and then hopefully I can come test out your mower
Things here have slowed down now, now I can get some time to start some maintenance and cleaning on the mowers. It's going to be nice have a little break, at least until the phone starts ringing.
#133
Ric
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Ric
No I dont. My property, my elderly parents and inlaws. Total about 5.5 acres weekly.
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zmister11
Yeah that's good. I'm about to start mowing every other week soon.
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zmister11
Things here have slowed down now, now I can get some time to start some maintenance and cleaning on the mowers. It's going to be nice have a little break, at least until the phone starts ringing.
Yeah that's good. I'm about to start mowing every other week soon.
#135
Ric
I'll pretty much close down at the end of these cuts next cuts. I'll keep check on thing but I'll also put a notation in the next bill and let them know if they need something done they can call the number on the bill.
Ric
Yeah that's good. I'm about to start mowing every other week soon.
I'll pretty much close down at the end of these cuts next cuts. I'll keep check on thing but I'll also put a notation in the next bill and let them know if they need something done they can call the number on the bill.
#136
Ric
That Luxury is something the dealers can't afford. With everyone wanting something different they would have to carry one of everything in the dealership used. They would go out of business.
Ric
We use to have that luxury here but the only company now that will let you take one home to try out is grasshopper. I don't know why the dealers stopped letting you take one home and try it out. On a side note I did try to demo a Dixie Chopper at one time and when I asked to demo a machine the guy stood back and said are you just looking for a mower to use for today as if I was just needing to borrow one of his mowers to complete the day out. Kinda pissed me off so I never had any dealings with them anymore.
That Luxury is something the dealers can't afford. With everyone wanting something different they would have to carry one of everything in the dealership used. They would go out of business.
#137
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zmister11
Yeah i wish all my accounts were monthly but I have about 10 that aren't so it's sucks having per cuts during the winter
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zmister11
I'll pretty much close down at the end of these cuts next cuts. I'll keep check on thing but I'll also put a notation in the next bill and let them know if they need something done they can call the number on the bill.
Yeah i wish all my accounts were monthly but I have about 10 that aren't so it's sucks having per cuts during the winter
#138
Ric
I'm not sure I understand you when you say I wish all my accounts were monthly? How does your billing cycle work?
Ric
Yeah i wish all my accounts were monthly but I have about 10 that aren't so it's sucks having per cuts during the winter
I'm not sure I understand you when you say I wish all my accounts were monthly? How does your billing cycle work?
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zmister11
My monthly yards I bill once a month. But my per cut yards I only mow when it needs it. So they usually just leave the money by the door.
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zmister11
I'm not sure I understand you when you say I wish all my accounts were monthly? How does your billing cycle work?
My monthly yards I bill once a month. But my per cut yards I only mow when it needs it. So they usually just leave the money by the door.
#140
Ric
Don't you find those per cut yards end up costing you more money than your billing yards cause I find that most of the time when people want to have them mowed there three times longer and it takes more time to mow and trim etc. I bill by the month but I charge by the cut. I try to stay away from those when it needs it or Biweekly cuts. I've got to a point of staying away from anything more than Half acre.
Ric
My monthly yards I bill once a month. But my per cut yards I only mow when it needs it. So they usually just leave the money by the door.
Don't you find those per cut yards end up costing you more money than your billing yards cause I find that most of the time when people want to have them mowed there three times longer and it takes more time to mow and trim etc. I bill by the month but I charge by the cut. I try to stay away from those when it needs it or Biweekly cuts. I've got to a point of staying away from anything more than Half acre.
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zmister11
Yeah it gets annoying and takes a little more time. But right now I'm not doing 70 plus yards a week so any yard is better than nothing ya know? If I had more than I would definitely turn the per cuts down. But I'm just taking whatever I can get right now
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zmister11
Don't you find those per cut yards end up costing you more money than your billing yards cause I find that most of the time when people want to have them mowed there three times longer and it takes more time to mow and trim etc. I bill by the month but I charge by the cut. I try to stay away from those when it needs it or Biweekly cuts. I've got to a point of staying away from anything more than Half acre.
Yeah it gets annoying and takes a little more time. But right now I'm not doing 70 plus yards a week so any yard is better than nothing ya know? If I had more than I would definitely turn the per cuts down. But I'm just taking whatever I can get right now
#142
Ric
Yeah I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes I regret having that many when the season really gets going, it rains and everything gets out of control and you have to plat catch up that's when I wish I was back at 15 or 20 clients. The business is great but it along with the people or clients can be a pita. :smile:
Ric
Yeah it gets annoying and takes a little more time. But right now I'm not doing 70 plus yards a week so any yard is better than nothing ya know? If I had more than I would definitely turn the per cuts down. But I'm just taking whatever I can get right now
Yeah I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes I regret having that many when the season really gets going, it rains and everything gets out of control and you have to plat catch up that's when I wish I was back at 15 or 20 clients. The business is great but it along with the people or clients can be a pita. :smile:
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zmister11
Yeah lol atleast you will get break with it being winter soon. Do you do side jobs during winter or just relax? Haha
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zmister11
Yeah I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes I regret having that many when the season really gets going, it rains and everything gets out of control and you have to plat catch up that's when I wish I was back at 15 or 20 clients. The business is great but it along with the people or clients can be a pita. :smile:
Yeah lol atleast you will get break with it being winter soon. Do you do side jobs during winter or just relax? Haha