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#1
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RayMcD
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RayMcD
Anyone got a Brand they would recommendation for ZTR mower belts? Anyone know what manufacture provides BOBCAT OEM belts?
#2
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Most after market suppliers do OEM spec belts
Gates will always be the best belt which is why they are the most expensive apart from marque branded belts.
The Stens belts I have been using I am going off as some of the belts sourced from India have not worn well.
Pix do a range of OEM spec belts as do Sunbelt
Weather they do one for your mower I have no idea
Avoid any belt on ebay / Amazon listed as "unbranded " regardless of weather they claim it is OEM or not
A good belt will always have a brand name on it and a method of batch identification
Gates will always be the best belt which is why they are the most expensive apart from marque branded belts.
The Stens belts I have been using I am going off as some of the belts sourced from India have not worn well.
Pix do a range of OEM spec belts as do Sunbelt
Weather they do one for your mower I have no idea
Avoid any belt on ebay / Amazon listed as "unbranded " regardless of weather they claim it is OEM or not
A good belt will always have a brand name on it and a method of batch identification
#3
StarTech
StarTech
I am a Sunbelt Outdoors dealer but my purchases this year is near nil because of problems with A&I. They went from selling me over $4,000 in parts each year to just $421 this year.
If Sunbelt Outdoors hasn't improved since the Spring of 2021 they are still shipping OEM spec'd belts that are usually shorter than the stated specs. Even their even inch were short. I have had nothing but problems with belts from A&I formerly Sunbelt Outdoors Products for the last several years. It got so bad that back in 2019 I had to throw out over $1,000 [cost] in belts that were one to two inches short. A&I promised me that they had resolved the problem this Spring so I ordered two JD spec'd belts both came in over an inch short. I just can't trust them any more to provide the correct sized belts.
Even ordering from Stens I have gotten belts that were over an inch too long and had to return them.Then had to wait 3 months to get a credit for them.
Because of these problems and I not having the time to waste fighting to get wrong belt sizes replace everytime I turn around I have gone back to OEM provided belts. At least least I don't waste time trying to put on belts that are the wrong sizes.
I even had to buy a 200 inch v-belt measuring tool to prove that I was right about the problem with the belts.
If Sunbelt Outdoors hasn't improved since the Spring of 2021 they are still shipping OEM spec'd belts that are usually shorter than the stated specs. Even their even inch were short. I have had nothing but problems with belts from A&I formerly Sunbelt Outdoors Products for the last several years. It got so bad that back in 2019 I had to throw out over $1,000 [cost] in belts that were one to two inches short. A&I promised me that they had resolved the problem this Spring so I ordered two JD spec'd belts both came in over an inch short. I just can't trust them any more to provide the correct sized belts.
Even ordering from Stens I have gotten belts that were over an inch too long and had to return them.Then had to wait 3 months to get a credit for them.
Because of these problems and I not having the time to waste fighting to get wrong belt sizes replace everytime I turn around I have gone back to OEM provided belts. At least least I don't waste time trying to put on belts that are the wrong sizes.
I even had to buy a 200 inch v-belt measuring tool to prove that I was right about the problem with the belts.
#4
bkeller500
bkeller500
take a look at https://www.vbelts4less.com and. https://www.vbeltsupply.com
I have used both and their belts were great replacements for factory belts and much less expensive.
I have used both and their belts were great replacements for factory belts and much less expensive.
#5
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RayMcD
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RayMcD
Sir, thanks for the reply, FYI, neither of the BOBCAT part#'s cross on either of these sites..take a look at https://www.vbelts4less.com and. https://www.vbeltsupply.com
I have used both and their belts were great replacements for factory belts and much less expensive.
#6
StarTech
StarTech
It does usually help when we know what the equipment numbers so we look up the part numbers as some of have already cross these before or can the actual sizes of the belts. Sometime these equipment will actually give us the belt sizes but many do try to hide the sizes.
#7
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RayMcD
R
RayMcD
Gentlemen, I believe I have identified the size of PN# 4169566 - BELT-48" CUTTERDECK → B 5/8"Width - 148.35" Length
What I seek is the same info for PN# 4168621 BELT-TRANSAXL
What I seek is the same info for PN# 4168621 BELT-TRANSAXL
Ya know, when the sucker cost $100+ you would like it to fit. Thanks for the info..rI am a Sunbelt Outdoors dealer but my purchases this year is near nil because of problems with A&I. They went from selling me over $4,000 in parts each year to just $421 this year.
If Sunbelt Outdoors hasn't improved since the Spring of 2021 they are still shipping OEM spec'd belts that are usually shorter than the stated specs. Even their even inch were short. I have had nothing but problems with belts from A&I formerly Sunbelt Outdoors Products for the last several years. It got so bad that back in 2019 I had to throw out over $1,000 [cost] in belts that were one to two inches short. A&I promised me that they had resolved the problem this Spring so I ordered two JD spec'd belts both came in over an inch short. I just can't trust them any more to provide the correct sized belts.
Even ordering from Stens I have gotten belts that were over an inch too long and had to return them.Then had to wait 3 months to get a credit for them.
Because of these problems and I not having the time to waste fighting to get wrong belt sizes replace everytime I turn around I have gone back to OEM provided belts. At least least I don't waste time trying to put on belts that are the wrong sizes.
I even had to buy a 200 inch v-belt measuring tool to prove that I was right about the problem with the belts.
#8
StarTech
StarTech
The following is the cross I found >
4168621 > Gates 7013BR
4168621 > Gates 7013BR
#9
Mower King
Mower King
IMO.......O.E.M. belts is the only way to go! They might cost more but....they FIT as designed and LAST a lot longer!
That's all we have used for decades, and almost never have a problem with them!
That's one of the many things I like about the Dealership I work at.... we use almost all O.E.M. belts and parts, plus we use Kohler oil in Kohlers, Kawasaki oil in Kawasaki, B&S oil in Briggs & Stratton, everything seems to work smoother with less problems that way and....customers see this and know you're not cutting corners!
That's all we have used for decades, and almost never have a problem with them!
That's one of the many things I like about the Dealership I work at.... we use almost all O.E.M. belts and parts, plus we use Kohler oil in Kohlers, Kawasaki oil in Kawasaki, B&S oil in Briggs & Stratton, everything seems to work smoother with less problems that way and....customers see this and know you're not cutting corners!
#10
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
It is horses for courses
Down here most of the brand franchise distribution is done by a cartel who pay way too much for the franchise rights then inflate the price of some parts and belts in particular.
Nothing unusual to find MTD belts for over $ 200 ( Aus ) which is around $ 150 US +/-
Thus the only maker branded belts I buy are JD ones because JD mowers are part of JD farm equipment thus the tiny amount of mower sales piggy back on million dollar farm equipment.
JD parts are cheaper than aftermarket parts and belts are about the same price retail as my wholesale cost from aftermarket distributors .
I was hoping that the upsurge in online platforms would have cause a rethink but all that happened is the local mafia put their prices up to cover the reduced turnover.
I am trying to get a Gates wholesale account but of course that means buying them in scanes from 10 to 30 belts in each size .
One of my suppliers rebadges Gates belts and they are by far the best belts I have ever fitted.
The down side is RGS only do it for popular sizes so there are a lot of belts they don't carry .
The other thing most repairers overlook is pulleys do wear and a worn rear drive pulley can chop up to 2" off the effective length so you need to go for a shorter belts to compensate for wear.
Working out which belt is right for an old mower is the difference between a technician & a backyard parts swapper.
I got some very good customers because the MTD agent tried to hit them up for $ 600 because the stack pulley was worn so their mower deck only worked at the top & bottom settings.
Solution was a belt 1.25" shorter and 5 years on the mower is still working quite fine.
But you can not do this if you don't have the stock thus I keep over 200 different sized belts , many of them bought superceeded for peanuts .
Downside is they have to be kept flat in sealed boxes to prevent them deteriorating .
Hanging a belt on a peg where it gets exposed to sunlight can have it go off in less than a year .
Down here most of the brand franchise distribution is done by a cartel who pay way too much for the franchise rights then inflate the price of some parts and belts in particular.
Nothing unusual to find MTD belts for over $ 200 ( Aus ) which is around $ 150 US +/-
Thus the only maker branded belts I buy are JD ones because JD mowers are part of JD farm equipment thus the tiny amount of mower sales piggy back on million dollar farm equipment.
JD parts are cheaper than aftermarket parts and belts are about the same price retail as my wholesale cost from aftermarket distributors .
I was hoping that the upsurge in online platforms would have cause a rethink but all that happened is the local mafia put their prices up to cover the reduced turnover.
I am trying to get a Gates wholesale account but of course that means buying them in scanes from 10 to 30 belts in each size .
One of my suppliers rebadges Gates belts and they are by far the best belts I have ever fitted.
The down side is RGS only do it for popular sizes so there are a lot of belts they don't carry .
The other thing most repairers overlook is pulleys do wear and a worn rear drive pulley can chop up to 2" off the effective length so you need to go for a shorter belts to compensate for wear.
Working out which belt is right for an old mower is the difference between a technician & a backyard parts swapper.
I got some very good customers because the MTD agent tried to hit them up for $ 600 because the stack pulley was worn so their mower deck only worked at the top & bottom settings.
Solution was a belt 1.25" shorter and 5 years on the mower is still working quite fine.
But you can not do this if you don't have the stock thus I keep over 200 different sized belts , many of them bought superceeded for peanuts .
Downside is they have to be kept flat in sealed boxes to prevent them deteriorating .
Hanging a belt on a peg where it gets exposed to sunlight can have it go off in less than a year .
#11
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RayMcD
R
RayMcD
Thank you Sir, I found it for the blade belt, Part #: 6692BR Line: GAT B 21/32" x 148 3/8" , Cheers, Ray
#12
R
RayMcD
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RayMcD
If it works for you go with it, Kohler, Kawasaki or B&S don't make oil nor does BobCat make Belts. Cheers, RayIMO.......O.E.M. belts is the only way to go! They might cost more but....they FIT as designed and LAST a lot longer!
That's all we have used for decades, and almost never have a problem with them!
That's one of the many things I like about the Dealership I work at.... we use almost all O.E.M. belts and parts, plus we use Kohler oil in Kohlers, Kawasaki oil in Kawasaki, B&S oil in Briggs & Stratton, everything seems to work smoother with less problems that way and....customers see this and know you're not cutting corners!
#13
StarTech
StarTech
I have similar with different distributors. The MTD 918-06980 Gardner wanted $81 each but RBI only wanted 65.31 each. So who do you think got the order for three of them that I got in stock now? I tjust took one extra day to get them delivered.
As compensating for pulley wear can only go so far as once the belt bottoms in a v-pulley there is no far adjustment for wear; unless, you go to next wider belt which not all pulleys can work with.
As compensating for pulley wear can only go so far as once the belt bottoms in a v-pulley there is no far adjustment for wear; unless, you go to next wider belt which not all pulleys can work with.
#14
bkeller500
bkeller500
They might not cross reference the exact part number for your machine ( their data base might not show your part number) but if you can figure out your belt length and width, you may be able to locate a match. I had to do that and found one with same width and within 1/2" in length ( shorter) and it worked perfectly. You can be a little shorter but not longer and be Ok. good luckSir, thanks for the reply, FYI, neither of the BOBCAT part#'s cross on either of these sites..
#17
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bertsmobile1
This brings up a pop up window with 3 options Vehicle : Vin : Interchange
Vin : only works with cars & trucks
Interchange works with the OEM part number for the belt
Vehicle , various drop downs but you will need to know the make , model NUMBER & year of your mower for that to work.
You should then have a list to pick from as the same part numbers can apply to lots of different things .
The Gates part number is a hot link so clicking on that will bring up the belt specifications
OEM part numbers can be a little tricky as some times spaces are ignored, some times they will need a - or a / to break them up and other times the number must have no spaces or separator marks at all .
Gates is the only interchange list I trust.
Most of the others on the web have been coppied from each other and contain a lot of mistakes
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bertsmobile1
When you go to the above web page click on the red "Vehicle Parts Search " button.
This brings up a pop up window with 3 options Vehicle : Vin : Interchange
Vin : only works with cars & trucks
Interchange works with the OEM part number for the belt
Vehicle , various drop downs but you will need to know the make , model NUMBER & year of your mower for that to work.
You should then have a list to pick from as the same part numbers can apply to lots of different things .
The Gates part number is a hot link so clicking on that will bring up the belt specifications
OEM part numbers can be a little tricky as some times spaces are ignored, some times they will need a - or a / to break them up and other times the number must have no spaces or separator marks at all .
Gates is the only interchange list I trust.
Most of the others on the web have been coppied from each other and contain a lot of mistakes
#19
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bertsmobile1
Like a lot of sites like this, there is no provision for feed back when you come across an omission or error.
Not meaning to diss them because a lot of work goes into them even if it is just a cut & paste job.
But without the ability to edit they are not worth the effort of clicking on.
Lots of retail sites that also pretend to do an interchange but most of them direct you to the next nearst stocked size of belt with the specifications of their belt, not the original belt.
Getting my head round belts was the single hardest thing to do when I set out & bought the repair run.
Two of the 4 wholesalers I kicked off with, did exactly as above and while it sort of works if you are just doing a belt swap, it is not much help when trying to work out why a mower is using too many belts.
I am yet to find an error in the gates catalogue and even better when a part has been renumbers by the OEM several times, all of the numbers , old & new will bring up the belt.
Very handy when you are not a dealer so have very restricted access to dealer information.
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bertsmobile1
Very incomplete & lots of errors
Like a lot of sites like this, there is no provision for feed back when you come across an omission or error.
Not meaning to diss them because a lot of work goes into them even if it is just a cut & paste job.
But without the ability to edit they are not worth the effort of clicking on.
Lots of retail sites that also pretend to do an interchange but most of them direct you to the next nearst stocked size of belt with the specifications of their belt, not the original belt.
Getting my head round belts was the single hardest thing to do when I set out & bought the repair run.
Two of the 4 wholesalers I kicked off with, did exactly as above and while it sort of works if you are just doing a belt swap, it is not much help when trying to work out why a mower is using too many belts.
I am yet to find an error in the gates catalogue and even better when a part has been renumbers by the OEM several times, all of the numbers , old & new will bring up the belt.
Very handy when you are not a dealer so have very restricted access to dealer information.
#20
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RayMcD
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RayMcD
Bert, thanks, one could easily give up trying to match up bett sizes, interchange works well, rWhen you go to the above web page click on the red "Vehicle Parts Search " button.
This brings up a pop up window with 3 options Vehicle : Vin : Interchange
Vin : only works with cars & trucks
Interchange works with the OEM part number for the belt
Vehicle , various drop downs but you will need to know the make , model NUMBER & year of your mower for that to work.
You should then have a list to pick from as the same part numbers can apply to lots of different things .
The Gates part number is a hot link so clicking on that will bring up the belt specifications
OEM part numbers can be a little tricky as some times spaces are ignored, some times they will need a - or a / to break them up and other times the number must have no spaces or separator marks at all .
Gates is the only interchange list I trust.
Most of the others on the web have been coppied from each other and contain a lot of mistakes
#21
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Glad you have your head around it.
Now spread the word.
Even better is Gates show the actual size so if the belt is a L profile they show that , not the "close enough" A , B or M .
Some times it does make a difference.
Now spread the word.
Even better is Gates show the actual size so if the belt is a L profile they show that , not the "close enough" A , B or M .
Some times it does make a difference.
#22
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Bellcrank
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Bellcrank
Thanks for your input. Just tired of all the options on the net, as you stated multi size belts that are close but no cigar. Price ranges as well.. $7.00 - 40.00 or more price swing for a 80 inch belt and no idea who manufactures them. Drives me nuts. Decided to find a old name manufacturer that mite have some skin in the game and came up with Gates. After reading your input , think'n I am on the right track. Thanks again.Glad you have your head around it.
Now spread the word.
Even better is Gates show the actual size so if the belt is a L profile they show that , not the "close enough" A , B or M .
Some times it does make a difference.
#23
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oneoldsap
O
oneoldsap
I too have had good luck with those Russian/Indian made belts . Most belts with Kevlar in them , will wear pretty well !take a look at https://www.vbelts4less.com and. https://www.vbeltsupply.com
I have used both and their belts were great replacements for factory belts and much less expensive.
#24
StarTech
StarTech
The problem I had with A&I belt was not the quality it was the sizing. It appears the Indians are using a broken tape measure as all the 1/2 belts were a half inch shorter than the labelled spec and the 5/8 were 2 inches shorter. This make it impossible to get on some mowers. I spent over two years trying to get A&I (Sunbelt Outdoors) to correct the problem. I finally had to just quit buying the belts and I ended up throwing out over a $1,000 in belts. Loosing time and money because of belts being sent the wrong sizes is very irritating to both me and my customers.
This Spring A&I promised me that they corrected the problem but the very first two belts I ordered were an inch short each. I ended having to go to the local JD dealer to get the correct size belts. A&I lost the biggest part of their sales to me this year. I usually order close to $3,000 in parts from them but I had only ordered $421 this year.
This Spring A&I promised me that they corrected the problem but the very first two belts I ordered were an inch short each. I ended having to go to the local JD dealer to get the correct size belts. A&I lost the biggest part of their sales to me this year. I usually order close to $3,000 in parts from them but I had only ordered $421 this year.
#25
Hammermechanicman
Hammermechanicman
Always love a good belt discussion. I agree with Bert that avoid buying belts off of amazon and ebay. I have resorted to ebay in a pinch but only if there is a real picture of the belt and it is a brand i trust. I have had good luck with Gates, Jason and Stens belts. For John Deere i always go OEM. Most folks have no idea how many different types and specs there are for belts. Industrial, ABC, L series, FHP, automotive, wrapped and raw edge, clutching vs nonclutching, etc. I tell customers if they don't know how to source a good AM belt then always go OEM.
#26
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Big problem with Evil pay and ammozone is most of the vendors have no idea about what they are selling.
It is just some thing they bought cheap off Made in China or Made in India that they can sell for a massive profit.
So they copy the interchange lists from each other & a goodly number of them are wrong
If you buy the unbranded belt in lots of 1000 then you can get them for 50¢ + freight and sell them for $ 30 with free post .
And Ammo Zone makes it even easier as for a small fee they do all the work all you have to do is set up the sales page & order the products
So this is what a lot of people do
Open a bank account do the deal then go bankrupt jut before tax time then "sell" our existing stock to yourself under a different vendors name . open a new bank account and repeat the performance year in year out.
Send the profits to an off shore tax haven and carry on till the IRS catches up with you then go to Barbados or a Greek island for a never ending holiday .
It is just some thing they bought cheap off Made in China or Made in India that they can sell for a massive profit.
So they copy the interchange lists from each other & a goodly number of them are wrong
If you buy the unbranded belt in lots of 1000 then you can get them for 50¢ + freight and sell them for $ 30 with free post .
And Ammo Zone makes it even easier as for a small fee they do all the work all you have to do is set up the sales page & order the products
So this is what a lot of people do
Open a bank account do the deal then go bankrupt jut before tax time then "sell" our existing stock to yourself under a different vendors name . open a new bank account and repeat the performance year in year out.
Send the profits to an off shore tax haven and carry on till the IRS catches up with you then go to Barbados or a Greek island for a never ending holiday .