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Ariens classic 21

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tcpuccio1

Hey guys/gals first post here.
I am a diehard Ariens owner have a mower and snowblower love both of them.
I have a 21" LM classic with a Kawasaki engine on it I bought it in 2006 I love this machine but it's getting long in the tooth runs strong but it's tired... The new Razor models IMO are junk from the deck/wheels to the Chinese engines. I know Gravley had the same machine just red in color and a better warranty?? I'm kind of kicking around the idea of getting a new machine in the spring but can't bring myself to buy a razor machine! I don't know why they stopped building the LM classic it was a great machine... Looking at options to replace it. I have replaced just about every part on the machine over the past 16 years and don't want to spend any more $ to keep the old girl going... I can't bring myself to go electric they all seem to be junk/cheaply made and expensive. from off brand like Atlas to name brand like Ego and Milwaukee will have a new one in the spring. If Ariens still made the classic I would buy one regardless of the price.! was looking in the fall at a Honda with a composite plastic deck. I have some other outdoor power equipment with Honda engines, and they all run strong! ! so looking for idea's and opinions... Thanks in advance ....:cool:


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MParr

There aren’t many mowers in the same class as the old Ariens 21 Classic. The Snapper Ninja Commercial is one that comes to mind. The Toro Timemaster is another. Honda makes a commercial 21” mower.


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tcpuccio1

thx for the input looking for a machine like I have in terms of function, Bag/mulch/side discharge.


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MParr

Honda HRC216HDA Mower | 21" Walk Behind Commercial Mower

Honda's HRC216HDA commercial mower is a 21"walk behind lawn mower that offers the quality and durability commercial landscapers expect from Honda.
powerequipment.honda.com powerequipment.honda.com

Toro | Toro 21" Commercial Heavy-Duty Mowers

The 21 inch Commercial Heavy-Duty lineup delivers with the performance Toro is known for and new features to help you get more jobs done. Rugged, commercial-grade components stand up to the toughest conditions.
www.toro.com


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tcpuccio1

Thank you never heard of Exmark before too bad they are made by Toro Not a fan of their homeowner grade of equipment but that is kind of exactly what I'm looking for and the price doesn't faze me at all if it is indeed good equipment. I have a small yard in the middle of suburbia don't need anything wider then 21"


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MParr

tcpuccio1 said:
Thank you never heard of Exmark before too bad they are made by Toro Not a fan of their homeowner grade of equipment but that is kind of exactly what I'm looking for and the price doesn't faze me at all if it is indeed good equipment. I have a small yard in the middle of suburbia don't need anything wider then 21"
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Yeah, the residential stuff isn’t all that great. The drive system is their biggest problem. Snapper has the best drive system. It’s very similar to your old Ariens. In fact, I looked at the Ariens Classic 21 before buying a Snapper Ninja Commercial.


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MParr

Here’s another.
badboymowers.com

Commercial Self-Propelled Push Mower | Bad Boy Mowers

Our Commercial-Grade Self-Propelled Push Mowers are simple to maintain and built to withstand grueling day-in and day-out commercial mowing duties.
badboymowers.com badboymowers.com


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Joed756



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tcpuccio1

with these "off" brand mowers they look impressive but down the line getting parts is gonna be an issue, I think. I can still get parts for my 16 year old Areins. Hell I could build my own brand new mower but would cost me twice as much as a new one. If they still built them, I would buy one in a heartbeat or the Gravley brother


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MParr

This Ybravo mower is the same as the Bad Boy


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tcpuccio1

this one is kind of the same thing when it breaks you screwing the puch looking for parts around me all the dealers are in Canada


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Joed756

tcpuccio1 said:
with these "off" brand mowers they look impressive but down the line getting parts is gonna be an issue, I think. I can still get parts for my 16 year old Areins. Hell I could build my own brand new mower but would cost me twice as much as a new one. If they still built them, I would buy one in a heartbeat or the Gravley brother
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The Sarlo mowers that I linked are not "off" brand. With normal maintenance they will outlast you.


#13

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MParr

Joed756 said:
The Sarlo mowers that I linked are not "off" brand. With normal maintenance they will outlast you.
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Sarlo Mowers is out of business.


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tcpuccio1

they have direct drive models listed but they look like push mowers with high wheels unless the licks on the sire are jacked up? Looked into snapper they don't make one that is rear bagging they have an attachment for a 21 commercial unit that is another $150 over the price of the machine.... that looks like the Ariens drive as mentioned in the thread.


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Joed756

MParr said:
Sarlo Mowers is out of business.
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Really? They still have an active web presence.


#16

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tcpuccio1

I looked at the site and I wasn't impressed for use at home. Still looking around if anyone else has suggestions please let me know I still have 2' of snow in my front lawn so it's gonna be a while before I fire up a lawnmowers again. still using my fire breathing Ariens Snowblower :)


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travelman401

I also am a loyal Ariens/Gravely owner also a selling dealer 1972 till 1990, present day still operating 1 man parts and repair shop,I bought a new Model 911194 in 2015 for use in 3 yards for widows at my church. Kawasaki FJ 180 engine with oil filter, swivel wheels up front (also fixed front wheel kit) bagger, side discharge chute, mulch chute, part #71103200 optional rear discharge chute and bought as a spare very expensive complete self propel assembly, have new and used extra blades extra new self propel cable, retired from mowing 3 yards in October 2020, mower seen no use except for regular starts with fresh non-ethanol gas I am willing to sell as a package with everything I have in stock


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upupandaway

upupandaway

Joed756 said:
Really? They still have an active web presence.
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https://sarlomower.com/

After 85 Years in Business, Sarlo Mowers has Ceased Production​



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bertsmobile1

Joed756 said:
Really? They still have an active web presence.
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Joed
A web page is just a bunch of electrons twisted into a pattern on a hard drive in a computer sitting in a server station and had zero relevance to reality.
It will stay there forever until it is written over.
If it resides on the Domain Name Servers , server then it will stay up forever untill activly remover.
If it is on a secondary service provider then the BSN link will be removed when the domain name registration expires.
Thus a web page means nothing.
paypal just refunded me the money I sent to DC spares in HK for the last 2 orders.
Their web site is there.
You can go and place orders .
You can register as a member
But there is nothing on the other end but a virtual shop on an external server .
An unbelievably large amount of money is stolen every year by criminals who set up virtual shops selling products that never existed or they just don't have .
The money gets shifted to a bank account where it can not be recovered from then eventually when enough people ( or the right people) get scammed one of the international police forces will order the host to remove the site and remove the Domain name from the DNS.
When the money stops coming in the criminals change the bogus company name and relist it .
I am organizing an event for latter this year which we host on a 4 year rotation.
Of the 300 clubs we invited more than 1/2 of them no longer exist but at least 1/3 of those that no longer exist still have active web sites .

If you had read my posts objectively you would see I reguarly warn people that the "Well Established Large Company" they think they are buying from on ebay / amazon is just a computer in a public toilett where the owner can get free wi-fi.
The last warehouse I was involved in rented pallet spaces & did despatching for these shysters through a space broker
We would pick the goods , add an invoice to the packing slip then despatch the goods.
The same product was regularly despatched under several different company names , at different prices .
Each invoice had links to the supposed factory but when you checked the addresses visually the factory image was nothing like the image on the invoices and often was a vacant lot, car park, railway station etc .
And more than one of them tryed to avoid paying their rent & despatch fees once the volume of goods remaining became low .
A lot of them were in plain white boxes so for a slightly higher fee we would print out anything from a simple name tag to a full wrap depending upon what we were sent , going as far as sticking a product lable on the goods themselves .
And we were just one of hundreds of small warehouses who were doing the exact same thing.
The internet is full of liers & thieves and companies like Amazon & ebay are happily assisting them just so long as they get their cut they do not care about who is defrauded along the way .
If I did the same thing from a shop front, I would be looking at 5 to 20 years .


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Joed756

bertsmobile1 said:
Joed
A web page is just a bunch of electrons twisted into a pattern on a hard drive in a computer sitting in a server station and had zero relevance to reality.
It will stay there forever until it is written over.
If it resides on the Domain Name Servers , server then it will stay up forever untill activly remover.
If it is on a secondary service provider then the BSN link will be removed when the domain name registration expires.
Thus a web page means nothing.
paypal just refunded me the money I sent to DC spares in HK for the last 2 orders.
Their web site is there.
You can go and place orders .
You can register as a member
But there is nothing on the other end but a virtual shop on an external server .
An unbelievably large amount of money is stolen every year by criminals who set up virtual shops selling products that never existed or they just don't have .
The money gets shifted to a bank account where it can not be recovered from then eventually when enough people ( or the right people) get scammed one of the international police forces will order the host to remove the site and remove the Domain name from the DNS.
When the money stops coming in the criminals change the bogus company name and relist it .
I am organizing an event for latter this year which we host on a 4 year rotation.
Of the 300 clubs we invited more than 1/2 of them no longer exist but at least 1/3 of those that no longer exist still have active web sites .

If you had read my posts objectively you would see I reguarly warn people that the "Well Established Large Company" they think they are buying from on ebay / amazon is just a computer in a public toilett where the owner can get free wi-fi.
The last warehouse I was involved in rented pallet spaces & did despatching for these shysters through a space broker
We would pick the goods , add an invoice to the packing slip then despatch the goods.
The same product was regularly despatched under several different company names , at different prices .
Each invoice had links to the supposed factory but when you checked the addresses visually the factory image was nothing like the image on the invoices and often was a vacant lot, car park, railway station etc .
And more than one of them tryed to avoid paying their rent & despatch fees once the volume of goods remaining became low .
A lot of them were in plain white boxes so for a slightly higher fee we would print out anything from a simple name tag to a full wrap depending upon what we were sent , going as far as sticking a product lable on the goods themselves .
And we were just one of hundreds of small warehouses who were doing the exact same thing.
The internet is full of liers & thieves and companies like Amazon & ebay are happily assisting them just so long as they get their cut they do not care about who is defrauded along the way .
If I did the same thing from a shop front, I would be looking at 5 to 20 years .
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As a youth I worked in a small factory making off-set ratcheting screw-drivers. The last stage was stamping them with one of quite a few different names, including Craftsman.


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tcpuccio1

Reviving an old thread. looed off and on and couldn't really find anything that really even comes close to what I have. my machine made it through another season. :) my parents have the same machine I do but a Honda engine with swivel front wheels. My dad Passed in the summer and my mother hired a lawn service I'd love to take that machine off her hands but the lawn service people only contracted though mid October and it needed 2 extra cuts for the season and I went over and used that machine over there so I has a place and a use was a bit troublesome starting after sitting most of the summer but once it started it ran great he never used ethanol gas in it and I ran it out at the end of the season. I fix cars for a living so I know what good and bad looking equipment looks like and there is nothing out there right now that really tops the 20+ year old technology these machines had as far as heavy duty residential mowers if there is even such a thing. I was looking at Battery powered machines as well. they all seem like junk and are cheaply made and the battery packs are stupid expensive. the only positive is my lawn is not that big. If I were to buy something like that, I was looking at this one. https://www.snapper.com/na/en_us/pr...ctric-cordless-self-propelled-walk-mower.html


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tcpuccio1

well after looking at all the options and decided that buying a commercial mower was just too expensive for the end return, I wound up biting the bullet and bought a 21" Honda with a 200CC engine 4 in one mulch/bag/rear discharge machine with a composite deck I got it from jacks small engines no one around here has any more in stock and it was free shipping. got it last Friday put it together and mowed the lawn over the weekend really nice machine! I wish the self-propelled speed was a bit quicker, but it does a really nice job cutting the dual blade makes a difference! the one I got doesn't have their cruise control option it just has a lever with like 6 or 7 speed setting and the blade stop is a nice feature. will see if I can get 18 years out of this one like I did my Ariens. I really wish they wouldn't have ditched the LM 21" classic mower the razor is JUNK it looks and feels "cheap" sadly. I bought a new 32" snowblower from them last fall and that machine is a beast and doesn't feel cheap at all!


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