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Amended vintage Briggs Engine on log splitter
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03marauderman
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03marauderman
Attached are pics of Data Plate on engine....Would like to know year & horse power...also what would the the representation of the numbers. Model & serial are worn off & cannot determine.....Thanks for your interest & responses.......
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cpurvis
cpurvis
This contains some specs on the 23 series engines.
View attachment 23A_23A-B_23A-FB_23A-R6_23A-R6D_27760-domestic.pdf
edit: Oops, this info was already given in that other thread you started.
View attachment 23A_23A-B_23A-FB_23A-R6_23A-R6D_27760-domestic.pdf
edit: Oops, this info was already given in that other thread you started.
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Rivets
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Rivets
Your Briggs engine was built in February of 1957 and is a 10 hp. Some say a 9 hp, but Briggs listed it as a 10. The middle set of numbers are the type, which dictated any changes (wanted by the equipment manufacturers) from the basic engine. This manual might be of some help to you. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6NaqjIxWV1yeVdtMUNaTzlpWmc/view
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03marauderman
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03marauderman
Rivets...What a wonderful piece of information.....Than you so much....What would we do without Forum's......
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EngineMan
EngineMan
Looks if Rivets got there before me...! 23A model number and the 703010 is the type number and has its been said around the 1950's, and was a good engine at its time.
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Boudreaux In Eunice La.
Actually this is a 2nd thread he started.... I got straight on the first one he posted......
Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!
Boudreaux In Eunice La.
Looks if Rivets got there before me...! 23A model number and the 703010 is the type number and has its been said around the 1950's, and was a good engine at its time.
Actually this is a 2nd thread he started.... I got straight on the first one he posted......
Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!
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03marauderman
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03marauderman
Engine Man....Good engine at the time? - 62 years later & still a good engine.....Excellent engine....Thanks for your reply......
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EngineMan
Nice to see them still working out there....! no new engines will go on that long today.
EngineMan
Engine Man....Good engine at the time? - 62 years later & still a good engine.....Excellent engine....Thanks for your reply......
Nice to see them still working out there....! no new engines will go on that long today.
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03marauderman
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03marauderman
I help a friend of mine in his small mower repair shop on occasion and I just can't believe the junk that's out there......with the latest being Chinese engines.....but I shouldn't be surprised....Thank God for China, if not, this country wouldn't have anything......
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bertsmobile1
You will get on fine without China
The only people getting hurt will be the multi billionairs who own or run companies that import the rubbish to fit to their local product rather than local parts .
Fully USA made will add 10% to 50% to the price of local goods so the employers will be forced to increase wages to the level that they should be.
The massive wage disparity where a CEO will be paid more per hour than his employees are paid per year is only possible by importing cheap goods from overseas.
Without that the employees would exert proper wage pressure on the company, or even worse unionise.
Even Henry Ford realized that and his production line workers were paid 15 times what the modern Ford workers are paid ( inflation adjusted )
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bertsmobile1
I help a friend of mine in his small mower repair shop on occasion and I just can't believe the junk that's out there......with the latest being Chinese engines.....but I shouldn't be surprised....Thank God for China, if not, this country wouldn't have anything......
You will get on fine without China
The only people getting hurt will be the multi billionairs who own or run companies that import the rubbish to fit to their local product rather than local parts .
Fully USA made will add 10% to 50% to the price of local goods so the employers will be forced to increase wages to the level that they should be.
The massive wage disparity where a CEO will be paid more per hour than his employees are paid per year is only possible by importing cheap goods from overseas.
Without that the employees would exert proper wage pressure on the company, or even worse unionise.
Even Henry Ford realized that and his production line workers were paid 15 times what the modern Ford workers are paid ( inflation adjusted )
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03marauderman
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03marauderman
bertsmobile1 - I see your from down under, I'm speaking from the good ole USA.....one of the main players supporting the Chinese economy....but not to worry I'm from the baby boom generation who was at a young age raised in the MA & PA business establishments and laughed at 'made in Japan', which most of their products were toys, radios and such....Real tools & equipment were USA, as with cars, GE refrigerators, Caloric stoves, US made Magtag washers. What is a CEO?.....As the baby boomers die off everything will level off with the millennial's (I sincerely mean no disrespect to them) as they were born & raised in the box store environment, filled with every US brand manufactured in good ole China....My final hope is when I exit this joyful planet is that i get buried in a US made coffin...(of course made from Chinese metal) In the mean time I will continue splitting my firewood with my 1957 vintage 10 HP Briggs, brought in with my 1970 Chevrolet C30 truck.......
#12
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
CEO = Chief Executive Officer.
A position invented to go between the board of directors and the company manager to ensure that the boards wishes are carried out .
Originally it was necessary when a single board controlled multiple companies.
Then it spread to every company cause the sons of rich people needed a very highly paid job to do.
Up until the 90's the USA management pollution seemed to pass over Aust but now we have far more greedy morons in management that you do.
Executive wages have gone up 16,000 % since the 90's while workers have gone up 300%.
By keeping the costs of workers needs low, managers can keep workers wages low and pocket the bulk of the extra profits and that is exactly what USA companies mostly have done.
When locally born people would not work for the money on offer they brought in foreigners ( Mexicans & S Americans ) and when this was not enough they outsourced.
Because of the White Australia Policy & being an island, once the supply of WWII white European refugees had dried up we were forced to pay higher wages so for a while the difference between top executive salaries & the shop floor was on average 300%.
Now it is 10,000% and getting bigger every year.
Eventually this leads to riots ( see France now ) and ultimately a socialist revolution.
President Trump is trying to avert this by using the Mexicans the same way as Hitler used the Jews.
As for importing from the 3rd world.
Back in 76 as a freshly minted graduate I attended my very first international engineering conference.
The speaker from the government told us the country was blessed with a well educated & wiling workforce, an abundance of natural resources, a good climate and cheap energy so we will become the manufacturing centre of the world.
The next speaker was from commercial enterprise and his lecture focused on excessive wages, too much union influence, high shipping costs, too small a local market , low productivity and concluded that our only hope for prosperity was to massively increase the population while outsourcing all of the low profit manufacturing to cheap labour countries like Japan where they could make our superiour designed products cheaply & our future was in the high profit design sector where we had a NATURAL ADVANTAGE ( just a touch racist ? ).
Over the following decades I have heard the exact same paper given by dozens of industry representatives and the only thing that changes is the name of the country where the workers were so stupid they could not make anything that we ( the vastly more intelligent ) did not design.
They went from Japan ( total idiots can't design a safety pin unless we showed them how ) to Singapore to Korea to Hong Kong, to the Phillapines to Indonesia to Brazil to China / India. Same speech different country.
Your President has given a very similar speech on more than one occasion.
Both of our countries have the same problem,,, executive greed and the single minded approach from the 1920's that the only way to produce less expensive products is to pay lower wagers to the peasant scum they employ.
During my university years I worked full time night shifts to finance myself.
As such I got a good grounding in general manufacturing and what I saw would have done a workhouse owner in a Charles Dickens novel proud.
And the Government is just as culpable by subsidizing wages and not productivity so for instance all of the USA car factories sucked up government funds, invested almost nothing in modernization then shot through the instant government funds were cut off.
Things in the USA seem to be very similar.
During the banking crisis it would have cost 1/4 of the money handed out to the big banks to take over all of the bad home loans so people would still have their houses and jobs.
But no the government went down the more expensive route of giving money to the banks and less than 5 years latter it was business as usual.
people lost their jobs & houses so were willing to work for next to nothing again.
If a bank was considered "too big to fail" then the government should have taken it over so the only people out of pocket would be the share holders and when the bank was profitable again allow the share holders to buy back their shares at a discount to the current market value.
The very basis of the capitalist system is bad businesses will fail and their assets end up in the hands of better run ones,,, the MARKET RULES.
But apparently the market only rules when it is convenient for the ultra rich to profit from it
or as George Orwel put it
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"
Looks like I have gone on a rant, sorry about that
A position invented to go between the board of directors and the company manager to ensure that the boards wishes are carried out .
Originally it was necessary when a single board controlled multiple companies.
Then it spread to every company cause the sons of rich people needed a very highly paid job to do.
Up until the 90's the USA management pollution seemed to pass over Aust but now we have far more greedy morons in management that you do.
Executive wages have gone up 16,000 % since the 90's while workers have gone up 300%.
By keeping the costs of workers needs low, managers can keep workers wages low and pocket the bulk of the extra profits and that is exactly what USA companies mostly have done.
When locally born people would not work for the money on offer they brought in foreigners ( Mexicans & S Americans ) and when this was not enough they outsourced.
Because of the White Australia Policy & being an island, once the supply of WWII white European refugees had dried up we were forced to pay higher wages so for a while the difference between top executive salaries & the shop floor was on average 300%.
Now it is 10,000% and getting bigger every year.
Eventually this leads to riots ( see France now ) and ultimately a socialist revolution.
President Trump is trying to avert this by using the Mexicans the same way as Hitler used the Jews.
As for importing from the 3rd world.
Back in 76 as a freshly minted graduate I attended my very first international engineering conference.
The speaker from the government told us the country was blessed with a well educated & wiling workforce, an abundance of natural resources, a good climate and cheap energy so we will become the manufacturing centre of the world.
The next speaker was from commercial enterprise and his lecture focused on excessive wages, too much union influence, high shipping costs, too small a local market , low productivity and concluded that our only hope for prosperity was to massively increase the population while outsourcing all of the low profit manufacturing to cheap labour countries like Japan where they could make our superiour designed products cheaply & our future was in the high profit design sector where we had a NATURAL ADVANTAGE ( just a touch racist ? ).
Over the following decades I have heard the exact same paper given by dozens of industry representatives and the only thing that changes is the name of the country where the workers were so stupid they could not make anything that we ( the vastly more intelligent ) did not design.
They went from Japan ( total idiots can't design a safety pin unless we showed them how ) to Singapore to Korea to Hong Kong, to the Phillapines to Indonesia to Brazil to China / India. Same speech different country.
Your President has given a very similar speech on more than one occasion.
Both of our countries have the same problem,,, executive greed and the single minded approach from the 1920's that the only way to produce less expensive products is to pay lower wagers to the peasant scum they employ.
During my university years I worked full time night shifts to finance myself.
As such I got a good grounding in general manufacturing and what I saw would have done a workhouse owner in a Charles Dickens novel proud.
And the Government is just as culpable by subsidizing wages and not productivity so for instance all of the USA car factories sucked up government funds, invested almost nothing in modernization then shot through the instant government funds were cut off.
Things in the USA seem to be very similar.
During the banking crisis it would have cost 1/4 of the money handed out to the big banks to take over all of the bad home loans so people would still have their houses and jobs.
But no the government went down the more expensive route of giving money to the banks and less than 5 years latter it was business as usual.
people lost their jobs & houses so were willing to work for next to nothing again.
If a bank was considered "too big to fail" then the government should have taken it over so the only people out of pocket would be the share holders and when the bank was profitable again allow the share holders to buy back their shares at a discount to the current market value.
The very basis of the capitalist system is bad businesses will fail and their assets end up in the hands of better run ones,,, the MARKET RULES.
But apparently the market only rules when it is convenient for the ultra rich to profit from it
or as George Orwel put it
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"
Looks like I have gone on a rant, sorry about that
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03marauderman
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03marauderman
What I meant was 'What is CEO' I was referring back to the 50ies/60ies.....Certainly you seem to have a wealth of knowledge in economic politics....I am basically blue collar, that got an opportunity for a career in the corporate world,....well I never made it to far up the corporate ladder as I had common sense and everything I did was based on it....It took me a very, very long time to understand how the more brain dead you are, the higher you rose up that corporate ladder........The magic was in communication and being corporate politically correct...you didn't have to know a thing about the business.....How could you be a CEO for Bristol Meyers a pharmaceutical company, then take a position as CEO for Caterpillar? The truth is its not about the product, its about the numbers..numbers and more numbers.....just smoking mirrors.....
I worked in an old outdated office in downtown...tile floors & gray steel desks...The office & building was ancient.....Then the office moved to a new corporate park in the suburbs, everything was new & shiny....about 6 months later, outside management came in and we had an assembly...3 of them stood in front of about 175 people and announced that they were closing the office.....Everyone was in shock...questions back & forth....then my turn....I asked Why did we move to a brand new facility and now we are closing? - The answer was..." The decision to move was made before the decision to close" - This speaks volumes in corporate logic, talk about arrogance.. after all Its not their $$$. On a ledger they just showed a huge reduction in spending. How long would MA & PA survive with this mindset.....I am way off topic on this thread, and won't add anymore to it.... I had an old Briggs engine, that I wanted some info on it, my question was answered from the kind people on this forum....I will say that 23A (now that I know what it is) has always started on the first pull, has never let me down, and just thrilled every time I use it.....Thanks for listening......
I worked in an old outdated office in downtown...tile floors & gray steel desks...The office & building was ancient.....Then the office moved to a new corporate park in the suburbs, everything was new & shiny....about 6 months later, outside management came in and we had an assembly...3 of them stood in front of about 175 people and announced that they were closing the office.....Everyone was in shock...questions back & forth....then my turn....I asked Why did we move to a brand new facility and now we are closing? - The answer was..." The decision to move was made before the decision to close" - This speaks volumes in corporate logic, talk about arrogance.. after all Its not their $$$. On a ledger they just showed a huge reduction in spending. How long would MA & PA survive with this mindset.....I am way off topic on this thread, and won't add anymore to it.... I had an old Briggs engine, that I wanted some info on it, my question was answered from the kind people on this forum....I will say that 23A (now that I know what it is) has always started on the first pull, has never let me down, and just thrilled every time I use it.....Thanks for listening......
#14
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Yes I know exactly what you are saying.
I play with vintage & veteran motorcycles.
Similar story.
THe other thing people fail to understand is before the post WWII advertising explosion and mass hipnosys / brain washing, a product was a companies reputation.
Thus your product had to be either top quality or bottom price.
Engineering was done with slide rules so things like engines tended to be over designed because it cost too much to work out just how frail a part could be made & still work.
Now days we have all sorts of computer models so I can design a virtual piston to run in a virtual engine, then make it progressively thinner till it fails without a single piece of metal ever being touched.
Same for valves, con rods or any other engine part.
I can model the air flow around the engine & work out the minimum amount of finning required to prevent the engine siezing, again bu just punching buttons.
Down on the factory floor carbide tooling means that every part is made to a much tighter tollerance than back in the HSS tooling days and now we have real time computer controlled tool movement rather than a tool of not exactly the same size for every cut running between a pair of fixed stops.
We all remember the engine that ran forever, we quickly forget the ones than split along the casting fins the 2nd time we used it or the ones where the head detatched itself along with the top 1/2" of the barrel.
I play with vintage & veteran motorcycles.
Similar story.
THe other thing people fail to understand is before the post WWII advertising explosion and mass hipnosys / brain washing, a product was a companies reputation.
Thus your product had to be either top quality or bottom price.
Engineering was done with slide rules so things like engines tended to be over designed because it cost too much to work out just how frail a part could be made & still work.
Now days we have all sorts of computer models so I can design a virtual piston to run in a virtual engine, then make it progressively thinner till it fails without a single piece of metal ever being touched.
Same for valves, con rods or any other engine part.
I can model the air flow around the engine & work out the minimum amount of finning required to prevent the engine siezing, again bu just punching buttons.
Down on the factory floor carbide tooling means that every part is made to a much tighter tollerance than back in the HSS tooling days and now we have real time computer controlled tool movement rather than a tool of not exactly the same size for every cut running between a pair of fixed stops.
We all remember the engine that ran forever, we quickly forget the ones than split along the casting fins the 2nd time we used it or the ones where the head detatched itself along with the top 1/2" of the barrel.