Craftsman carb issue

I found a Huayi carb from a 139cc mower engine. The idle jet body seems the same. The idle jet diameter is something between .011 and .014. I do not have all of the sizes to narrow it any closer. I tired that jet and it surged a bit. The outside temp yesterday was unseasonably warm at 70F. Of course it will surge a lot more at 20F. I am trying to decide if I should open it to about .014 and see what she does. If this does not work I am thinking a $50 MTD kit or an aftermarket carb from the most reliable source I can determine.
I have heard positive things about HIPA aftermarket carbs. I am Not sure if they have what I would need.
Thoughts from you experts?
 
Hello N.,

I just threw away 3 bleed air pilot jets this week due to broken off pin drill bits while working on my own generator. Honda clone pilot jets have the same dimensions as the ones I need, but the O-rings are just a little too fat.

Another key item to inspect carefully with a magnifying glass is the tiny O-rings on the pilot air bleed jets. They do not play well with being reused and the get deformed & brittle with age. Those O-rings will bypass unmetered air especially under load at high RPM. The O-ring on the tip is usually the problem one.

Use a little WD-40 when you install the pilot jets and they should slip in with a light finger top push.

I'm dealing with my 15KW Generac generator portable generator at the moment for similar (very slight) surge issues at high RPM.

I was able to find some genuine Honda pilot jet O-rings on eBay and am going to give them a try when they get here.

Otherwise, I will be looking for another carburetor and start all over again trying to get it tuned in. (Just because they say it fits, does not mean it will work correctly.)

Hope you get this figured out.
 
All I need is the idle jet.
It varies from shop to shop, some will keep a box of pulled carbs, and I ravage these for carb parts all the time.

Those silly plastic jets that pop up often break o-rings, I have yet to lookup the o-ring replacement to get more, so I just steal a jet from a pulled carb.

And if that's a no-go, then I would simply buy another Huayi carb, and your 1st one would now be a spare ;)

I almost never replace individual parts on a client's machine. If their current carb can't be cleaned, we quote them for a whole replacement.

Mostly because of the possibility that the single part may not work, and labor is lost.

Any customer that can't afford a carb replacement for their blower either doesn't need a blower, or we don't need them as a customer ;)
 
If this were a customer and not my own, I would go with the aftermarket, but I'm stubborn when it comes to staying with OEM if possible. The air bleed (pilot) jets on most are easy to access, it is the searching and waiting for parts that suck and it is not right to ever charge a customer for idle time.
 
I found a Huayi carb from a 139cc mower engine. The idle jet body seems the same. The idle jet diameter is something between .011 and .014. I do not have all of the sizes to narrow it any closer. I tired that jet and it surged a bit. The outside temp yesterday was unseasonably warm at 70F. Of course it will surge a lot more at 20F. I am trying to decide if I should open it to about .014 and see what she does. If this does not work I am thinking a $50 MTD kit or an aftermarket carb from the most reliable source I can determine.
I have heard positive things about HIPA aftermarket carbs. I am Not sure if they have what I would need.
Thoughts from you experts?
Drilling out the black plastic with brass insert pilot jet is not an exact science. You just try to ever so slightly increase the hole with a micro drill bit done by hand at a painfully slow rate. I hate breaking off the drill bit and it does happen. The other issue I have seen twice this year is that jet with NO brass insert. Was not pressed in from the factory and still installed in the carburetor.
 
Hi Tiger,

The little "miracles"(pilot jets and main jets) are made by automated manufacturing in the thousands, then spit out into an assigned bulk supply bin.

When they get to the carburetor assembly line area, there is some poor soul installing them at a such a rapid rate that they do not have any time to scrutinize each one because they would fall behind on their "production quota".

If the carburetor does not properly work for the end consumer/ installer it is a matter of letting product warranty handle the issue. ("Kick the can down the road")

Quality assurance is almost nonexistent in mass production facilities.

Ever wonder why you never see modern factory assembly videos? It's mostly automation.
 
Drilling out the black plastic with brass insert pilot jet is not an exact science. You just try to ever so slightly increase the hole with a micro drill bit done by hand at a painfully slow rate. I hate breaking off the drill bit and it does happen. The other issue I have seen twice this year is that jet with NO brass insert. Was not pressed in from the factory and still installed in the carburetor.
I have done it a handfull of times. The 1st time I broke off the drill. You have to only take as little as you can in one pass. Hopefully something around .002". You need to go very slow and use as little pressure as you can get away with. Holding it as straight as you can. It is the side loading you have to be aware of. A drop of light oil helps. You are right it is an art and a little luck getting the optimum opening. how did that engine with no brass insert run?
 
Hello N,

These calibrated pilot air bleed jets have to work in concert with the main fuel jetting tolerances. Changing main jets is an option but usually but results in an over lean or over rich condition. This is where the bleed air jetting is vital to get the desired air/fuel mixture atomization.

It also helps to have more than one set of pin drill bits handy along with extra donor pilot jets in case things go south. I've robbed a few out of Honda clone and similar aftermarket carburetors.

I also like to use the phrase: "Sometimes you have to slow down to speed up". So, it requires a lot of patience.

A drop of light machine oil or WD-40 on the bit helps along with a very sensitive touch. When I feel the bit grab even the slightest, I pull back and brush off the micro brass particles on the tip of the bit. This is what I refer to as "Knipping" at the tiny brass insert material. This also prevents side load catching of the bit which will quickly snap the bit. The brass inserts are not very thick at all and is only a small, calibrated portion of the plastic jet holder.

I'm fairly certain when these are initially drilled to tolerance a very high-speed drill (similar to a dentist drill) on a fixture is used and the plastic pilot jet bodies are inserted into an anvil fixture for stability. The tolerances for the jet calibration machines must be in the incredibly strict.

When we are attempting to drill them by hand, it is a "shot in the dark" if it will resolve a surging problem or just make the condition worse/better. Fortunately, I've had decent luck the few times I have done it.

Life was much simpler when carburetors had air and fuel mixture adjustment screws. Thanks to stricter emissions regulations and "cookie cutter" automated mass production, those days are long gone.
 
BTW I found a new Hyayi OEM carb for my application for about $45. Less than some of the rebuilt kits from MTD. and about $19 more than the aftermarket crap shoots on ebay. The customer will have a big bill but his non running machine will work as it should and be reliable. Still less than a new one. Thanks to all who contributed.
Also:
It can take a lot of time and work to look up part number and review aftermarket options. This is the time that customers do not see or appreciate. I added a lot of value I hope they will appreciate. I hope some day soon AI will do all of this and spread it out on a spread sheet in seconds.
 
BTW I found a new Hyayi OEM carb for my application for about $45. Less than some of the rebuilt kits from MTD. and about $19 more than the aftermarket crap shoots on ebay. The customer will have a big bill but his non running machine will work as it should and be reliable. Still less than a new one. Thanks to all who contributed.
Also:
It can take a lot of time and work to look up part number and review aftermarket options. This is the time that customers do not see or appreciate. I added a lot of value I hope they will appreciate. I hope some day soon AI will do all of this and spread it out on a spread sheet in seconds.
The equipment was not starting and running (with missing brass jet inside plastic jet) when it came into my shop. Carburetors both needed to be cleaned. Asked the customers and they both said , “it never ran well,”
 
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