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toro 6.5hp float stuck leaks all fuel out and died wont start

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Justwayne

Justwayne

The 6.5hp toro pushmower recently i had put gas started it after a minute it died and all the gas was running out of it and wouldnt start back up. Think possibly it was from the exhaust area or around the carb area. My guess is the float is stuck. Does something inside go bad that needs fixing or is it simply just stuck? will taping on it with the backside of a screwdriver unstick it as usually a carburetor does on an engine or does the float bowl need to come off? Any help would be great.


#2

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Rivets

You need to remove the carb, disassemble it, clean and rebuild it with a new float needle and seat.


#3

Justwayne

Justwayne

Rivets said:
You need to remove the carb, disassemble it, clean and rebuild it with a new float needle and seat.
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You know where to get a new needle float needle and seat? These floats arent capable of filling up with gas similar to an older bronze holley carb float?

Do you need the model number to figure out which needle and seat is needed?


#4

R

Rivets

Model number should be on the shroud. If it is a Briggs engine it may be on the shield over the muffler. If you can find the engine number you can use the Toro model and serial number to find out which engine is used on that model. Any good repair shop should have the needle and seat in stock.


#5

StarTech

StarTech

Rivets said:
Model number should be on the shroud. If it is a Briggs engine it may be on the shield over the muffler. If you can find the engine number you can use the Toro model and serial number to find out which engine is used on that model. Any good repair shop should have the needle and seat in stock.
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Good advice. I just wish members understood that just like automobiles every small engine is different and that is why we must use the equipment and engine info to look up parts and to give advice.

Beside some equipment even have transplanted engines and other mods like my Yard Machines here that came with 16.5hp Briggs and now a 21 hp Briggs. Plus even the deck belt has been changed from a 1/2" to 5/8" belt.


#6

Justwayne

Justwayne

Rivets said:
Model number should be on the shroud. If it is a Briggs engine it may be on the shield over the muffler. If you can find the engine number you can use the Toro model and serial number to find out which engine is used on that model. Any good repair shop should have the needle and seat in stock.
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The needle and seat float assembly is 10$ on ebay and carbs are usually 15$ and come with new primer bulbs generic but they work i purchased one for the murray riding mower.

The model is a toro 6.5hp GTS. Are there different variations or should i get pictures of the mower and carb setup? I think the gaskets may slightly leak as i would always come back and the tank be empty after i had parked it with gas the gas would end up under the carb on the top indented area or residue. Not in the engine oil as i check its always at the same level.


#7

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

Justwayne said:
The needle and seat float assembly is 10$ on ebay and carbs are usually 15$ and come with new primer bulbs generic but they work i purchased one for the murray riding mower.

The model is a toro 6.5hp GTS. Are there different variations or should i get pictures of the mower and carb setup? I think the gaskets may slightly leak as i would always come back and the tank be empty after i had parked it with gas the gas would end up under the carb on the top indented area or residue. Not in the engine oil as i check its always at the same level.
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You need the model number of the engine, not the model number of the mower. If it is a Briggs and Stratton it will be six digits long.


#8

StarTech

StarTech

Toro provided IPLs usually list which engine was used within a particular serial number range. There is a serial tag on the mower that has this info.


#9

R

Rivets

You know about carbs, but can’t find numbers? How do you know needle and seats are $10 and carbs are $15 if you don’t know the model number and serial numbers? Second the Toro GTS series mowers came with a Suzuki or Briggs engine, depending on the age. I highly doubt any good carb for these engine can be found for that price. Something is starting to smell like old fish in this thread.


#10

Justwayne

Justwayne

I had bought a replacement carb for 15$ for the Murray riding mower in 2021 runs good now. The same one that needs a fuel tank the lawnmower shop wants 80$ but with the part number it's cheapest price is 28$ on eBay.

I'm sure can find the correct carb for fairly cheap as well if just need change the float needle and seat. Wanted to change the gaskets as well but probably easier just to just unbolt the bottom bowl see what's going on.
I'll try to look for the mower model number. Thanks guys.


#11

Justwayne

Justwayne

This is the mower toro 6.5hp GTS. It was bought new in 2004 and has always started first pull. One thing is the primer bulb is getting older 20 years old so possibly best to find the carb part number and can go from there.

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#12

Justwayne

Justwayne

Rivets said:
You know about carbs, but can’t find numbers? How do you know needle and seats are $10 and carbs are $15 if you don’t know the model number and serial numbers? Second the Toro GTS series mowers came with a Suzuki or Briggs engine, depending on the age. I highly doubt any good carb for these engine can be found for that price. Something is starting to smell like old fish in this thread.
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Yeah lol I had searched the model number that was on the riding mower sticker when you open the hood. Has blade, key, belt part numbers I attached photos in above post.


#13

StarTech

StarTech

Justwayne you are going have to learn that the true model numbers are listed on the serial number tags. you can't just go by things that OEM put on equipment for the consumer to look at. But as a repair shop we must have the correct numbers in order to get the right parts.

In the case of the Toro walk behind these are the possible location of the model/serial number tag. ANd the case of a Toro the serial is also require for parts look-up.
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As for the Murray you just got very lucky that the base model on a label under the hood.


#14

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Rivets

I could care less about a Murray tractor. After hitting reply I’m getting out of this thread. Before I leave I’ll put a nipple on this bottle but you’ll have to feed yourself.
1. You have a Tecumseh engine.
2. If you look under the discharge cover you’ll find a Toro model and serial numbers.
3. If you look under the red engine cover you’ll find the Tecumseh model and spec numbers On the side of the engine shroud.
4. I hope that when others chime in on your problem they are like you, definitely smarter than me, you will listen to what they tell you
Good bye and Good Luck


#15

Justwayne

Justwayne

Toro model 20017. Thanks


#16

Justwayne

Justwayne

This is it i bought one for the riding mower same 16$. The other was exact same design as factory one i took off and kopt it just incse. The only thing here would be it has the gaskets to not leak fuel or leak an empty tank after a few months not just the floa, needle and seat.

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#17

StarTech

StarTech

Here go again...You are providing us with info haphazardly. I am surprised you even getting the right parts.

Multiple engines used, luckily they all use the same Tecumseh TEC-640303 5268 Mfg. No. Carb.
but here is the serial breaks for the Toro 20017
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and here is the three known engines that was used.
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And here is link to 640303 carb 5268 mfg id carb IPL.

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Parts lookup and repair parts diagrams for outdoor equipment like Toro mowers, Cub Cadet tractors, Husqvarna chainsaws, Echo trimmers, Briggs engines, etc.
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But as Rivets did I stepping out of this thread too.


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davis2

I'm surprised you could even communicate with OP. My 8 yr old grandson can spell better...


#19

StarTech

StarTech

davis2 said:
I'm surprised you could even communicate with OP. My 8 yr old grandson can spell better...
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Try communicating with the Cuban I have for a customer. But at least he is using a translation app on his phone; still take a lot time. It is the Mexicans that don't have a translator with them that are hard to understand at times as I don't understand Spanish. I kinda wish they had taught that in high school. I don't even remember the German that I spoke before going to school.

But being an Amateur radio operator I have gotten used to mix-mush language barriers though it is rough at times. My friend in Caucus, Venezuela has pretty broken English so it takes a lot patience to talk with him. We got something in common we both are just bored. That reminds me I haven't heard from him in a couple months better fire the rig and see I can raise him on our meeting frequency.

I would recommend the use of a spell checker but even though they can introduce incorrect words that are spelled correctly. You have kinda have to read between the lines at times.


#20

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davis2

StarTech said:
Try communicating with the Cuban I have for a customer. But at least he is using a translation app on his phone; still take a lot time. It is the Mexicans that don't have a translator with them that are hard to understand at times as I don't understand Spanish. I kinda wish they had taught that in high school. I don't even remember the German that I spoke before going to school.

But being an Amateur radio operator I have gotten used to mix-mush language barriers though it is rough at times. My friend in Caucus, Venezuela has pretty broken English so it takes a lot patience to talk with him. We got something in common we both are just bored. That reminds me I haven't heard from him in a couple months better fire the rig and see I can raise him on our meeting frequency.

I would recommend the use of a spell checker but even though they can introduce incorrect words that are spelled correctly. You have kinda have to read between the lines at times.
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I'm from upstate NY, where they send a lot of refugees due to people leaving. There is a large Bosnian population, so I understand the language barrier. But OP is just not using any sort of skill in typing. OP's problem is not a language barrier. I'll leave that right there...


#21

Justwayne

Justwayne

I ordered a 16$ amazon carb for model 20017. Put it on two days ago worked perfectly. It was a direct replacement. Now just need to get a riding mower gas tank.

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LadOfTheLake

Justwayne said:
I ordered a 16$ amazon carb for model 20017. Put it on two days ago worked perfectly. It was a direct replacement. Now just need to get a riding mower gas tank.
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I hope to have your level of confidence one day. Lol Just throwing caution to the wind buying things willy nilly without proper part identification numbers, while somehow still getting lucky enough to have everything just work out. This thread was good for a laugh. Thank you OP glad you got it figured out. :ROFLMAO:


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