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TB110 Push Mower - Rear Flap Issues

#1

l008com

l008com

I have a couple of issues with this TB110 I'm trying to fix up.

The first is the flap at the rear of the machine. Here is what mine looks like. It this correct? Every other mower i've ever used has had a much bigger, rubber flap that would push down on the lawn. I thought the purpose of these flaps was to prevent flying objects from hitting you as you mow. But this little nothing flat is going to do... well, nothing. What do you make of that?
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Tje second issue is also in the back. The "back door" lol, the flap you lift up to attach the bag. Then its spring loaded and gets pushed down when you remove the bag. Well, mine doesn't want to close all the way. If you push it down it will stay down, but very weekly. And the wind from the blade spinning will push it back up to the position it's in above.You can see both springs are present, they appear to be installed correctly. They don't appear to be rusted or corroded in any way. Everything looks "right", yet somehow these springs just can't push the back door down anymore. On my other mowers, those springs push the door down with significant force. It almost makes me wonder if the springs need to be wound another revolution on the mower-body side, so they put down proper pressure.
Thoughts?
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Other than that, this mower seems to work pretty well. It wouldn't start when I picked it up. Turns out it only calls for 15 oz of oil and it had like.... a full quart in it lol. But I drained everything, refilled, got it running, sharpened the blade - which looks like it had NEVER been done before. And it did a GREAT job mowing the test patch.


#2

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Most of the flap is missing 1722501581854.png And I wouldn't be surprised if the door springs are packed full of grass and/or just rusted and weak.


#3

l008com

l008com

Thats very strange that the flap would break so perfectly straight like that. I couldn't cut it that straight with anything but a table saw.

Regarding the springs, you can get a good look at them wtth the door up, no rust or dirt or grass. The grass in the picture was from the minutes leading up to the photo. The machine was nice and clean before that. The springs just stop pushing on the door when the door is about 2 or 3 inches from being fully closed.

I'll have to take a closer look tomorrow and see what I can see.


#4

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

The edge were the hard part of the flap meets the rubber parts will act like a piece of metal that you bend back and forth until is just starts cracking along the bend line and then breaks off. The springs won't go another turn. But wouldn't be a back idea to check the tag end of the springs to make sure they are in place and not broken off.


#5

l008com

l008com

Depending on how easy it is to get at the springs and remove that door, If they are too stiff to go around another loop, then they are probably stiff enough that I could bend them a little and make them tighter that way. Then again, new springs are pretty cheap it looks like so maybe I just replace them if the door comes off easy.


#6

l008com

l008com

Here is a closeup of the rear door and springs. They look pretty good. The springs look like they are installed right, they don't look damaged or corroded at all. Very weird. It's like the original owner left the bag on for 6 years straight and the springs just "unsprung".


Also it's not clear to me by looking, how would you take that door off to replace the springs or at least try messing around with them?


#7

ILENGINE

ILENGINE



#8

l008com

l008com

With all that rust, thats not going to be fun. It looks like theres only an opening for it on one side. So is the idea, that you grab it with some needle nose in the middle and slowly inch it out bit by bit?

Also regarding the rear flap, the "trailflap" (#4 in that diagram), do you have to take the whole machine apart to get that in and out? Or do you just flex the whole flap and squeeze it between the bigger brackets that hold it?


#9

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

If there is only one opening you will have to inch it out if possible. And you flex the flap to get it out and back in.


#10

l008com

l008com

I poked around with this today, using vice grips. But the rod is pretty rusty. I was able to get it to rotate but I was not able to slide it at all. Any tips for how I might get it to move? My only idea is using a bigger set of vice grips (i was using a mini pair), clamp as hard as I can, and try tapping the vice grips with a hammer. Not the best way to do it but I don't see any other way.

Actually heres another way, I could try drilling a hole in the plastic on the no-hole side, so that I could then put something in there and push directly against the rod. This doesn't sound like a great option though.


#11

l008com

l008com

The larger vice grips and the hammer worked. Very very slowly but i was able to get the rod to start moving.


#12

l008com

l008com

Ok update time. I removed the rod holding the back door in, and I removed the back door, then I removed the springs.
Turns out, the springs are both in perfect condition!

The problem seems to be that the door has a little hole in its plastic that the springs slide in to. And that hole has significantly elongated, to the point where the springs aren't really pushing the flap down until its opened quite a bit. I'll try to includes some pictures below.

Those doors are quite pricey, $50+ for a new one. So I don't think I'll replace it. If theres a way I can fix those holes so the springs sit properly and put more pressure on it, thats great. Otherwise I might just leave it as-is. Any thoughts on how I might be able to fix this? I can't think of anything that wouldn't be very temporary. Like smearing some JB Weld into half of the holes, or trying to cut a washer with the right, smaller hole, and then using something to 'glue' that to the flap itself. Maybe some 3M 5200 would work if I really cleaned the plastic first and also scored the washer glue surface a lot. But this will be a real pain in the ass, I don't want to do this.

I just had a thought. Even though it's the flap side of the spring that's having the problems, I could still potentially fix it on the other side. if I could do either of these things reliably, that could fix the problem: Put some kind of spacer between the spring and the mower body that would push that end of the spring out, thereby pre-tensioning it. OR snipping the end of that spring off entirely, and re-bending a new "L" into the end of the spring, that would be further along the coil. I'm not sure how easily either of those ideas will be, I'll have to take a first hand look tomorrow with those in mind.

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#13

l008com

l008com

Ok I modified the two springs tonight and the flap seems to be much tighter. The hook end that hooks on to the body of the mower, I basically cut the 90° off and then bent a new 90° angle into the new end of the spring. Basically pre-tensioning the spring so it pushes harder. It was kind of a pain to do because its a spring so you're very limited on how you can hold it, to bend part of it.


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