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Shopping for heavy duty mower
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Seaburry
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Seaburry
Today I tested an Exmark 60 inch X series zero turn with a Kawasaki engine. I have about 25 acres of farm, pasture and down sides of horse trails. Some smooth and some rough Lots of Bermuda and cogan grass etc. I do not want it golf course manicured, just clean. About five inches tall. Lots of pine trees. What are the thoughts on the right zero turn mower? Have a Kubota 4wd diesel tractor that been wonderful but it's just too slow. Thanks for any help. Wallace.
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Briana
Briana
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We moved your thread to the Mower & Equipment Buying & Pricing forum.
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djdicetn
I recommend that you check out the 60" Gravely Pro-Turn 100 XDZ(model# 991081 with the Kawa). Standard full suspension seat, ZT-3400 HydroGear commercial trannies, cast iron spindles and 7gauge chain-hung/Lifetime Warranty decks Link to webpage below:
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For what the Exmark Lazer Z X-series costs, you could probably step up to the Gravely 200 XDZ series or maybe even the top-of-the-line 400 XDZ series. I love my Gravely and they are serious Industrial-grade Commercial machines!!!
djdicetn
Today I tested an Exmark 60 inch X series zero turn with a Kawasaki engine. I have about 25 acres of farm, pasture and down sides of horse trails. Some smooth and some rough Lots of Bermuda and cogan grass etc. I do not want it golf course manicured, just clean. About five inches tall. Lots of pine trees. What are the thoughts on the right zero turn mower? Have a Kubota 4wd diesel tractor that been wonderful but it's just too slow. Thanks for any help. Wallace.
I recommend that you check out the 60" Gravely Pro-Turn 100 XDZ(model# 991081 with the Kawa). Standard full suspension seat, ZT-3400 HydroGear commercial trannies, cast iron spindles and 7gauge chain-hung/Lifetime Warranty decks Link to webpage below:
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For what the Exmark Lazer Z X-series costs, you could probably step up to the Gravely 200 XDZ series or maybe even the top-of-the-line 400 XDZ series. I love my Gravely and they are serious Industrial-grade Commercial machines!!!
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Vanousb
Vanousb
Welcome. I have an Exmark Pioneer s 60 inch cut I purchased this year. Level below the Exmark you demoed. Very please with it cut power and overall performance. For upper end cutting with zero turn in my area the Exmark is a great mower and the way to go. Extremely well made, awesome details in mower, etc. But I don't have the acres you are mowing. So pioneer was the choice for me. Best I tested around my area to me over some other better know. brands. The laser x is a great option and one of the best commercial level mowers you can buy in my opinion. What did you think of the demo? There are lots of brands at this level to compare, but be sure you are looking apples to apples. Sounds like you are looking at commercial level mower options. From your description of terrain I would definitely want the full suspension seat.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
Can't knock any of the lazer series mowers. If money is not an issue then it is a fine choice. What other brands are available in your area. If you are looking for a great ride for the same price rang as the exmark you demoed and you have a dealer near by you might want to take a look at the ferris is2100. Same engine options, will mow at the same speeds, but has a nice spring suspension. The hustler super z will mow at speeds up to 13 mph. If you want to save money but still get the heavy duty components offered on the other mowers you may want to take a look at the snapper pro s200xt (same as the ferris is 2100 without the suspension). The Country clipper defender is an awesome looking mower as well. If there is a dealer near bye you should at least go take a look. It has a flip forward deck and a single joystick control. Scag turf tiger is another mower worth looking at. The gravely line I see on here also looks like a great mower. Have never seen one in action because we have no local dealers. In truth all of the mowers in the range you are looking at are great well made products. The best thing to look for in your situation is dealer quality and support. I hope you enjoy your search as much as I did mine. Whatever you decide on I would strongly recommend that you get the suspension seat at the very least. With that much mowing you are going to need all of the comfort you can get.
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Seaburry
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Seaburry
Thanks for all the great replies guys!! Have found a lot of great info just surching theatds. I'm going to chk out the Ferris dealer at lunch tomorrow may try Gravely if I can squeze it in before I have to run back to work. Too many irons in the fire this week....
Will report back this weekend . Thanks for comments wallace
Will report back this weekend . Thanks for comments wallace
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Vanousb
Vanousb
Let us know how they compared to the exmark lazer x you tested. I agree with Shughes717, all the mowers at the level you are shopping are great in thier own way. Details differ, but all good in thier own way. Will be you personal preference ...but the best service/dealer would be big on my liist and the suspension seat is a must. Happy searching.
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Berners
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Berners
With your farm you may qualify for a program Toro is offering on their Z Master series of mowers, similar to the ExMark (same ownership, maybe they have the same program). I was pricing mowers this week and ordered a Z Master because the product fit my needs. The dealer asked me a question because in conversation about my property I mentioned I had outbuildings and a barn. He asked if I had a horse, I said I had two donkeys. Well with that he said call this number because I might qualify for a Toro Equine program. I called it and after a few questions I was told to expect a call back....I got a call back within 15 minutes advising I qualified and what Toro dealer did I want to deal with. I gave him the dealer and within minutes both me and the dealer received emails authorizing the sale of any Z Master series mower at a promo price. The program is granting 26% Equine discount off of MSRP. I got a $7,700 MSRP mower for well under any price quoted previously (do the math, 26% off that). If you have a horse or other equine go for it.
The Toro rep told me to pass the program info onto any horse people I know. They are offering this to get entry to more farms because they know more than likely the farm has either Kubota or JD tractors and would just by the same brand mower; so they are making an effort to move Toro into their mower purchase target sights by offering heavy discount $$$'s. I do not know if the program is national or regional, I never asked that question.
The Toro rep told me to pass the program info onto any horse people I know. They are offering this to get entry to more farms because they know more than likely the farm has either Kubota or JD tractors and would just by the same brand mower; so they are making an effort to move Toro into their mower purchase target sights by offering heavy discount $$$'s. I do not know if the program is national or regional, I never asked that question.
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Seaburry
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Seaburry
Great tip on the exmark equine program, almost un believable the savings offered. The x series 60 inch and the ferris 2100 are almost the exact same price. I'm intrigued enough with the suspension on the ferris to schedule at test dive for Wednesday afternoon. Still have gravely to chk out. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Shughes717
Have you pulled the trigger on a mower yet? If so, what did you go with? What made you choose it?
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Shughes717
Great tip on the exmark equine program, almost un believable the savings offered. The x series 60 inch and the ferris 2100 are almost the exact same price. I'm intrigued enough with the suspension on the ferris to schedule at test dive for Wednesday afternoon. Still have gravely to chk out. Thanks for all the suggestions.
Have you pulled the trigger on a mower yet? If so, what did you go with? What made you choose it?
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caryalsobrook
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caryalsobrook
I hope I am not hijacking this thread but I also am looking for a heavy duty mower. I could be mowing up to 30 acres on the farm(I train labs for HT's). No horses but dogs and about 400 acres of farmland. I mention this because seeing the mention of a discount under certain circumstances. A friend of mine also wants a heavy duty mower and we thought of buying 2 at the same time for leverage with a dealer. Dealers known to be in area are Xmark, Gravely, Ferris and JD. Probably more but just haven't checked. Of course the discount is of interest and I also have a sales tax exemption for the farm. My personal concern is whether to get a 60 or 72 inch deck. Side rails on my trailer would have to be modified for the 72. Haven't seen anyone talk about the 72 but since I am lazy, thought I might ask.
Again, hope there is no problem with my post on this thread but thought it might be better since we are looking at the same type of mower.
Again, hope there is no problem with my post on this thread but thought it might be better since we are looking at the same type of mower.
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monkfarm
I have been very happy with my Scag. . . I just have a couple of acres to mow, however.
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monkfarm
Have you pulled the trigger on a mower yet? If so, what did you go with? What made you choose it?
I have been very happy with my Scag. . . I just have a couple of acres to mow, however.
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Shughes717
I was checking with seaburry to see what he went with.
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Shughes717
I have been very happy with my Scag. . . I just have a couple of acres to mow, however.
I was checking with seaburry to see what he went with.
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Shughes717
I mentioned this to seaburry, but any of the mowers in the range you are looking at will be a very well built machine. You asked about whether to go with a 60" or a 72". That depends on the terrain you are mowing and if you want to save some time. With the 72" you get an extra foot on each pass. It would not be a big deal if you were mowing less than 10 acres, but you will be mowing 30 so it may be worth looking at. You should definitely at least look into getting the suspension seat with what ever you buy. Ferris mowers have a suspension on all four wheels and in the larger mowers like the is2100 should help the ride greatly. Exmark and gravely are also fine mowers. The laser z is a very popular model with land scapers. The gravely line is also popular with people on this site and I have read very few negative comments about them. Get the dealers to bring the mowers to your property to test. Best way to determine what you like best is by mowing with one.
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Shughes717
I hope I am not hijacking this thread but I also am looking for a heavy duty mower. I could be mowing up to 30 acres on the farm(I train labs for HT's). No horses but dogs and about 400 acres of farmland. I mention this because seeing the mention of a discount under certain circumstances. A friend of mine also wants a heavy duty mower and we thought of buying 2 at the same time for leverage with a dealer. Dealers known to be in area are Xmark, Gravely, Ferris and JD. Probably more but just haven't checked. Of course the discount is of interest and I also have a sales tax exemption for the farm. My personal concern is whether to get a 60 or 72 inch deck. Side rails on my trailer would have to be modified for the 72. Haven't seen anyone talk about the 72 but since I am lazy, thought I might ask.
Again, hope there is no problem with my post on this thread but thought it might be better since we are looking at the same type of mower.
I mentioned this to seaburry, but any of the mowers in the range you are looking at will be a very well built machine. You asked about whether to go with a 60" or a 72". That depends on the terrain you are mowing and if you want to save some time. With the 72" you get an extra foot on each pass. It would not be a big deal if you were mowing less than 10 acres, but you will be mowing 30 so it may be worth looking at. You should definitely at least look into getting the suspension seat with what ever you buy. Ferris mowers have a suspension on all four wheels and in the larger mowers like the is2100 should help the ride greatly. Exmark and gravely are also fine mowers. The laser z is a very popular model with land scapers. The gravely line is also popular with people on this site and I have read very few negative comments about them. Get the dealers to bring the mowers to your property to test. Best way to determine what you like best is by mowing with one.
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caryalsobrook
Thanks so much. This forum has really been helpful. We are thinking about waiting til after Sept. 1 in order to get a good discount. So we have time to look. I also forgot to mention that I like the idea of a rear discharge. That would keep me from having to cut in only one direction when mowing next to the road.
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caryalsobrook
I mentioned this to seaburry, but any of the mowers in the range you are looking at will be a very well built machine. You asked about whether to go with a 60" or a 72". That depends on the terrain you are mowing and if you want to save some time. With the 72" you get an extra foot on each pass. It would not be a big deal if you were mowing less than 10 acres, but you will be mowing 30 so it may be worth looking at. You should definitely at least look into getting the suspension seat with what ever you buy. Ferris mowers have a suspension on all four wheels and in the larger mowers like the is2100 should help the ride greatly. Exmark and gravely are also fine mowers. The laser z is a very popular model with land scapers. The gravely line is also popular with people on this site and I have read very few negative comments about them. Get the dealers to bring the mowers to your property to test. Best way to determine what you like best is by mowing with one.
Thanks so much. This forum has really been helpful. We are thinking about waiting til after Sept. 1 in order to get a good discount. So we have time to look. I also forgot to mention that I like the idea of a rear discharge. That would keep me from having to cut in only one direction when mowing next to the road.
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djdicetn
That's a good idea waiting until the end of the season to buy. I bought my Gravely in mid-September 2012 and saved over $1,300 from waiting to buy the same model in a 2013. WOW....for 30 acres you will indeed need a "heavy duty" ZTR!! You will need something Industrial grade like the Gravely Pro-Turn 400 XDZ, Hustler Super Z HD, Toro Z-Master 6000 series, Exmark Lazer Z X Series or Scag Turf Tiger(I don't know about the Hustler, Toro, Exmark or Scag but you're looking at around $12k for a Gravely in the 60" or 72"). Below is a link to the info on the Gravely Pro-Turn, where you can click on Find A Dealer to locate your local dealer and go to their website for details including pricing. You would NOT be disappointed buying a Gravely(American made Farm'Lawn equipment since 1916). Right now Gravely has "No Haggle Pricing" which is already discounted off the regular MSRP, but if you wait until September you can "haggle" a bit more on the dealer's in stock inventory!!
Pro-Turn 400 Commercial Zero turn Mower
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Looking for rear discharge may limit your choices more, but if grass clipping control is your objective maybe you should consider a mulch kit instead. I added a Gravely OEM mulch kit to my Pro-Turn 100 XDZ and grass clippings absolutely "disappeared" and there aren't any clippings going into landscaping, driveway, road etc. Just an afterthought:0)
djdicetn
Thanks so much. This forum has really been helpful. We are thinking about waiting til after Sept. 1 in order to get a good discount. So we have time to look. I also forgot to mention that I like the idea of a rear discharge. That would keep me from having to cut in only one direction when mowing next to the road.
That's a good idea waiting until the end of the season to buy. I bought my Gravely in mid-September 2012 and saved over $1,300 from waiting to buy the same model in a 2013. WOW....for 30 acres you will indeed need a "heavy duty" ZTR!! You will need something Industrial grade like the Gravely Pro-Turn 400 XDZ, Hustler Super Z HD, Toro Z-Master 6000 series, Exmark Lazer Z X Series or Scag Turf Tiger(I don't know about the Hustler, Toro, Exmark or Scag but you're looking at around $12k for a Gravely in the 60" or 72"). Below is a link to the info on the Gravely Pro-Turn, where you can click on Find A Dealer to locate your local dealer and go to their website for details including pricing. You would NOT be disappointed buying a Gravely(American made Farm'Lawn equipment since 1916). Right now Gravely has "No Haggle Pricing" which is already discounted off the regular MSRP, but if you wait until September you can "haggle" a bit more on the dealer's in stock inventory!!
Pro-Turn 400 Commercial Zero turn Mower
P.S.
Looking for rear discharge may limit your choices more, but if grass clipping control is your objective maybe you should consider a mulch kit instead. I added a Gravely OEM mulch kit to my Pro-Turn 100 XDZ and grass clippings absolutely "disappeared" and there aren't any clippings going into landscaping, driveway, road etc. Just an afterthought:0)
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Shughes717
You may also want to look into going with a diesel. I know some of the brands like the exmark laser z series and the scag turf tiger offer rear discharge decks. The toro z master series are well built mowers. They make exmark, so they will be very similar. I believe you can get a hustler super z with a rear discharge deck as well. The suspension on the is3100 would help out a lot with as many acres as you will be mowing. Ferris offers a rear discharge deck on some models. The price is going to be in the same range as the gravely mentioned by djdicetn.
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Shughes717
Thanks so much. This forum has really been helpful. We are thinking about waiting til after Sept. 1 in order to get a good discount. So we have time to look. I also forgot to mention that I like the idea of a rear discharge. That would keep me from having to cut in only one direction when mowing next to the road.
You may also want to look into going with a diesel. I know some of the brands like the exmark laser z series and the scag turf tiger offer rear discharge decks. The toro z master series are well built mowers. They make exmark, so they will be very similar. I believe you can get a hustler super z with a rear discharge deck as well. The suspension on the is3100 would help out a lot with as many acres as you will be mowing. Ferris offers a rear discharge deck on some models. The price is going to be in the same range as the gravely mentioned by djdicetn.
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caryalsobrook
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caryalsobrook
Thanks for the replies. Just reading the posts on this forum has helped a lot. Now we will start looking and trying to decide which mower. I do have a Case 75 HP tractor and 2 bush hogs. I could cut part with them and some with the mower which is what a friend who is also a dog trainer suggests. That case I would get the 60 inch and be done with it. The good part is that we will wait till September to pull the trigger.
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djdicetn
Where in Tennessee are you located? I bought my Gravely from Chiltons Turf Center in Nashville. Roger Smith, the manager, is a great guy; gave me a great deal on my Pro-Turn 100 XDZ and he sells me any accessories or parts at his Commercial customer pricing. VERY good dealer to work with. They also carry Scag and Cub Cadet. Good luck finding the ZTR that is just right for your needs!!!
djdicetn
Thanks for the replies. Just reading the posts on this forum has helped a lot. Now we will start looking and trying to decide which mower. I do have a Case 75 HP tractor and 2 bush hogs. I could cut part with them and some with the mower which is what a friend who is also a dog trainer suggests. That case I would get the 60 inch and be done with it. The good part is that we will wait till September to pull the trigger.
Where in Tennessee are you located? I bought my Gravely from Chiltons Turf Center in Nashville. Roger Smith, the manager, is a great guy; gave me a great deal on my Pro-Turn 100 XDZ and he sells me any accessories or parts at his Commercial customer pricing. VERY good dealer to work with. They also carry Scag and Cub Cadet. Good luck finding the ZTR that is just right for your needs!!!
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caryalsobrook
Thanks, I live between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville and my farmland is in W. Tn, near Dyersburg. You as well as others have been a great help.
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caryalsobrook
Where in Tennessee are you located? I bought my Gravely from Chiltons Turf Center in Nashville. Roger Smith, the manager, is a great guy; gave me a great deal on my Pro-Turn 100 XDZ and he sells me any accessories or parts at his Commercial customer pricing. VERY good dealer to work with. They also carry Scag and Cub Cadet. Good luck finding the ZTR that is just right for your needs!!!
Thanks, I live between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville and my farmland is in W. Tn, near Dyersburg. You as well as others have been a great help.
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Nwatson99
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caryalsobrook
Mowing that much you need a high end machine, me personally I would look at my unit and preferred due to the power the 960R.
The reason I am saying the R series which it is the most expensive of the JD Ztraks is the ride, power, and conveniences of the machine, plus they all come with the 3 year or 1500 hr warranty and for the first 2 years it is unlimited hours, so if you put 5K hrs the first two years it is covered under warranty "just an example".
960R
Also I would go with a 60" deck and I will also recommend you DO NOT go with the MOD deck, you want the 7 Iron Pro deck.
If you JD dealer does not want to deal, I can hook you up with my dealer they are pumping out the Ztraks this year and he beat everyone's price within a 100 mile range of me.
Mowing that much you need a high end machine, me personally I would look at my unit and preferred due to the power the 960R.
The reason I am saying the R series which it is the most expensive of the JD Ztraks is the ride, power, and conveniences of the machine, plus they all come with the 3 year or 1500 hr warranty and for the first 2 years it is unlimited hours, so if you put 5K hrs the first two years it is covered under warranty "just an example".
960R
Also I would go with a 60" deck and I will also recommend you DO NOT go with the MOD deck, you want the 7 Iron Pro deck.
If you JD dealer does not want to deal, I can hook you up with my dealer they are pumping out the Ztraks this year and he beat everyone's price within a 100 mile range of me.
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caryalsobrook
I have always planned on looking at the JD and almost all those I know who have a ZT, complain that the weakest part of their mowers is the deck. I plan on making sure that the deck is the STRONGEST part of the mower.
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caryalsobrook
caryalsobrook
Mowing that much you need a high end machine, me personally I would look at my unit and preferred due to the power the 960R.
The reason I am saying the R series which it is the most expensive of the JD Ztraks is the ride, power, and conveniences of the machine, plus they all come with the 3 year or 1500 hr warranty and for the first 2 years it is unlimited hours, so if you put 5K hrs the first two years it is covered under warranty "just an example".
960R
Also I would go with a 60" deck and I will also recommend you DO NOT go with the MOD deck, you want the 7 Iron Pro deck.
If you JD dealer does not want to deal, I can hook you up with my dealer they are pumping out the Ztraks this year and he beat everyone's price within a 100 mile range of me.
I have always planned on looking at the JD and almost all those I know who have a ZT, complain that the weakest part of their mowers is the deck. I plan on making sure that the deck is the STRONGEST part of the mower.
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Nwatson99
Demo one and tell us after you do that is all I need to say.
Nwatson99
I have always planned on looking at the JD and almost all those I know who have a ZT, complain that the weakest part of their mowers is the deck. I plan on making sure that the deck is the STRONGEST part of the mower.
Demo one and tell us after you do that is all I need to say.
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djdicetn
I've settled in Mount Juliet, grew up in Tullahoma and lived in the Nashville area for around 20 years. It's good to talk ZTR's with fellow hillbillies on the forum:0)
djdicetn
Thanks, I live between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville and my farmland is in W. Tn, near Dyersburg. You as well as others have been a great help.
I've settled in Mount Juliet, grew up in Tullahoma and lived in the Nashville area for around 20 years. It's good to talk ZTR's with fellow hillbillies on the forum:0)
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Shughes717
You hit the nail on the head when you said jd is expensive. Their mower prices are high as giraffe nookie lol. Can get just about any other brand that offers the same quality at a much lower price.
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Shughes717
caryalsobrook
Mowing that much you need a high end machine, me personally I would look at my unit and preferred due to the power the 960R.
The reason I am saying the R series which it is the most expensive of the JD Ztraks is the ride, power, and conveniences of the machine, plus they all come with the 3 year or 1500 hr warranty and for the first 2 years it is unlimited hours, so if you put 5K hrs the first two years it is covered under warranty "just an example".
960R
Also I would go with a 60" deck and I will also recommend you DO NOT go with the MOD deck, you want the 7 Iron Pro deck.
If you JD dealer does not want to deal, I can hook you up with my dealer they are pumping out the Ztraks this year and he beat everyone's price within a 100 mile range of me.
You hit the nail on the head when you said jd is expensive. Their mower prices are high as giraffe nookie lol. Can get just about any other brand that offers the same quality at a much lower price.
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Ric
If I had 25 acres or more to mow I sure wouldn't be messing around with some 60" or 70" ztr I'd go check thiis mower out and cut some mowing time.
The Hustler Super 104 is an affordable wide-area mower with the maneuverability of a zero-turn. Features include Kawasaki FX1000 engine, 35 or 37 HP 104 cutting width, Hyper-Drive System, Grammer premium suspension seat (standard), simple, service friendly design, and hydraulic wing deck lift. The Super 104 can mow up to 84 acres in 8 hours at 10mph and will mow where most wide-area mowers cannot.
Ric
Today I tested an Exmark 60 inch X series zero turn with a Kawasaki engine. I have about 25 acres of farm, pasture and down sides of horse trails. Some smooth and some rough Lots of Bermuda and cogan grass etc. I do not want it golf course manicured, just clean. About five inches tall. Lots of pine trees. What are the thoughts on the right zero turn mower? Have a Kubota 4wd diesel tractor that been wonderful but it's just too slow. Thanks for any help. Wallace.
If I had 25 acres or more to mow I sure wouldn't be messing around with some 60" or 70" ztr I'd go check thiis mower out and cut some mowing time.
The Hustler Super 104 is an affordable wide-area mower with the maneuverability of a zero-turn. Features include Kawasaki FX1000 engine, 35 or 37 HP 104 cutting width, Hyper-Drive System, Grammer premium suspension seat (standard), simple, service friendly design, and hydraulic wing deck lift. The Super 104 can mow up to 84 acres in 8 hours at 10mph and will mow where most wide-area mowers cannot.
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Shughes717
Haha probably cost less than a jd 960r too.
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Shughes717
If I had 25 acres or more to mow I sure wouldn't be messing around with some 60" or 70" ztr I'd go check thiis mower out and cut some mowing time.
The Hustler Super 104 is an affordable wide-area mower with the maneuverability of a zero-turn. Features include Kawasaki FX1000 engine, 35 or 37 HP 104 cutting width, Hyper-Drive System, Grammer premium suspension seat (standard), simple, service friendly design, and hydraulic wing deck lift. The Super 104 can mow up to 84 acres in 8 hours at 10mph and will mow where most wide-area mowers cannot.
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Haha probably cost less than a jd 960r too.
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Nwatson99
But lacking the JD quality.
Nwatson99
Haha probably cost less than a jd 960r too.
But lacking the JD quality.
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Shughes717
Nope. Jd isn't the only company that makes quality equipment. Just like any other company some john deere products are even poor quality. I have been around john deere equipment for 30 years on our family farm. Make good equipment, and some bad. To say it is better quality just because it has green paint and a deere emblem on it is fandom just like people get about their ford, Chevy, dodge, etc. I know electric over hydraulic switches seem to be the best thing since peanut butter until they go bad after the warranty has expired and you have to pay for repairs. Will make you wish they had stayed simple. Most of the other mower brands offer the same main components jd does. Engines, hydros, commercial quality deck. The rest is just what people want to pay for paint color, and the different things each company focuses on such as suspension, different deck design, and controls.
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Shughes717
But lacking the JD quality.
Nope. Jd isn't the only company that makes quality equipment. Just like any other company some john deere products are even poor quality. I have been around john deere equipment for 30 years on our family farm. Make good equipment, and some bad. To say it is better quality just because it has green paint and a deere emblem on it is fandom just like people get about their ford, Chevy, dodge, etc. I know electric over hydraulic switches seem to be the best thing since peanut butter until they go bad after the warranty has expired and you have to pay for repairs. Will make you wish they had stayed simple. Most of the other mower brands offer the same main components jd does. Engines, hydros, commercial quality deck. The rest is just what people want to pay for paint color, and the different things each company focuses on such as suspension, different deck design, and controls.
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Seaburry
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Seaburry
Well I'm sorry it has taken so long for me to report on my or should I say my wife's equipment purchase. Due to the Exmark equestrian discount program it pushed us over the edge. I was setting up a Ferris demo when my wife texted me she had made a deal. The neighbor who helps her with mowing preferred the Exmark. Thanks for the help pictures to follow!!! Wk
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
Not saying jd makes bad mowers, just saying they are way over priced. Jd thinks a lot of that deer emblem and green paint. I have always suspected they mix gold flake in the paint at the factory lol. Jd understands that people are generally blindly brand loyal and they exploit that by increasing prices on their new equipment. We have mostly jd equipment on our farm. Partly because some of their products, such as cotton pickers, hold up a little better. Mostly it is due to dealer support. We have two options for farm equipment in our area. Jd and case ih. Have at least 8 jd dealers within 40 miles. Have 2 case ih dealers.
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Parkmower
Man you really love that kool-aid they got you drinking.
Parkmower
But lacking the JD quality.
Man you really love that kool-aid they got you drinking.
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Shughes717
Lol. You said it a lot shorter than I did.
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Shughes717
Man you really love that kool-aid they got you drinking.
Lol. You said it a lot shorter than I did.
#34
DSepe
Also great mower the OP ended up getting I think it will serve you well for years.
DSepe
You should see the JD thread "John Deere hate"Man you really love that kool-aid they got you drinking.
Also great mower the OP ended up getting I think it will serve you well for years.
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Shughes717
I live in friendship. About 15 minutes from dyersburg. Do you come this way much? There are several dealers in this area.
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Shughes717
Thanks, I live between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville and my farmland is in W. Tn, near Dyersburg. You as well as others have been a great help.
I live in friendship. About 15 minutes from dyersburg. Do you come this way much? There are several dealers in this area.
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Nwatson99
I never said JD was the only quality mower and I have stated they make some that I would never consider owning, but you are knocking on the 960R have you owned one or actually used one?
I was lucky enough to demo the other mowers I was interested when I was looking to upgrade from my Z930A, heck even had some units here on my yard and drove the crap out of them.
Nwatson99
Nope. Jd isn't the only company that makes quality equipment. Just like any other company some john deere products are even poor quality. I have been around john deere equipment for 30 years on our family farm. Make good equipment, and some bad. To say it is better quality just because it has green paint and a deere emblem on it is fandom just like people get about their ford, Chevy, dodge, etc. I know electric over hydraulic switches seem to be the best thing since peanut butter until they go bad after the warranty has expired and you have to pay for repairs. Will make you wish they had stayed simple. Most of the other mower brands offer the same main components jd does. Engines, hydros, commercial quality deck. The rest is just what people want to pay for paint color, and the different things each company focuses on such as suspension, different deck design, and controls.
I never said JD was the only quality mower and I have stated they make some that I would never consider owning, but you are knocking on the 960R have you owned one or actually used one?
I was lucky enough to demo the other mowers I was interested when I was looking to upgrade from my Z930A, heck even had some units here on my yard and drove the crap out of them.
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caryalsobrook
Am at the farm outside Halls just off hwy 88 on Cook rd. I also own a farm in Dyer Co. on Holly Springs Cemetary Rd. My home is between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville in Middle Tn. If I ever sell it, I intend to move back here.
You might know Billy Spence who was my cousin and who's mother lived on Spence Rd. near Chestnut Bluff. His grandson Guy Spence has remodeled the house and now lives there. Will spence is Billy's son.
I worked the summer after my freshman year in HS, for Roy Cook who had just bought the JD dealership in Halls. I spent the summer putting a 1 row cotton picker on a JD 4010. Sort of dates me.
Have trained this week with Scott Greer who is a great pro trainer and a good friend. I will send you a PM with my cell number should you like to call. I hope I know how to.:biggrin:
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caryalsobrook
I live in friendship. About 15 minutes from dyersburg. Do you come this way much? There are several dealers in this area.
Am at the farm outside Halls just off hwy 88 on Cook rd. I also own a farm in Dyer Co. on Holly Springs Cemetary Rd. My home is between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville in Middle Tn. If I ever sell it, I intend to move back here.
You might know Billy Spence who was my cousin and who's mother lived on Spence Rd. near Chestnut Bluff. His grandson Guy Spence has remodeled the house and now lives there. Will spence is Billy's son.
I worked the summer after my freshman year in HS, for Roy Cook who had just bought the JD dealership in Halls. I spent the summer putting a 1 row cotton picker on a JD 4010. Sort of dates me.
Have trained this week with Scott Greer who is a great pro trainer and a good friend. I will send you a PM with my cell number should you like to call. I hope I know how to.:biggrin:
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Shughes717
Sounds great. I look forward to talking to u.
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Shughes717
Am at the farm outside Halls just off hwy 88 on Cook rd. I also own a farm in Dyer Co. on Holly Springs Cemetary Rd. My home is between Murfreesboro and Shelbyville in Middle Tn. If I ever sell it, I intend to move back here.
You might know Billy Spence who was my cousin and who's mother lived on Spence Rd. near Chestnut Bluff. His grandson Guy Spence has remodeled the house and now lives there. Will spence is Billy's son.
I worked the summer after my freshman year in HS, for Roy Cook who had just bought the JD dealership in Halls. I spent the summer putting a 1 row cotton picker on a JD 4010. Sort of dates me.
Have trained this week with Scott Greer who is a great pro trainer and a good friend. I will send you a PM with my cell number should you like to call. I hope I know how to.:biggrin:
Sounds great. I look forward to talking to u.
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Shughes717
Not knocking the 960r just saying it's over priced. And it is. Yes I have driven one. Good mower, but no better quality than many others I tested. Makes no sense to pay that much more for green paint.
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Shughes717
I never said JD was the only quality mower and I have stated they make some that I would never consider owning, but you are knocking on the 960R have you owned one or actually used one?
I was lucky enough to demo the other mowers I was interested when I was looking to upgrade from my Z930A, heck even had some units here on my yard and drove the crap out of them.
Not knocking the 960r just saying it's over priced. And it is. Yes I have driven one. Good mower, but no better quality than many others I tested. Makes no sense to pay that much more for green paint.
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Nwatson99
Nope just tired of the smartarse comments always flying about JD mowers, I have ridden most and demoed most so I am just sick of everyone saying you are only buying paint.
Nwatson99
Man you really love that kool-aid they got you drinking.
Nope just tired of the smartarse comments always flying about JD mowers, I have ridden most and demoed most so I am just sick of everyone saying you are only buying paint.
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Nwatson99
Nwatson99
Around here with cash in hand, no financing this is what you can purchase.
JD 960R $12,300 out the door
Gravely 460 $11,900 out the door
Ferris 3100Z with big block $11,900 out the door
Exmark Lazer X series $11,800 out the door
So to me the extra pennies for the C&C package out ways anything else and JD is the only one with the that C&C set-up right now.
JD 960R $12,300 out the door
Gravely 460 $11,900 out the door
Ferris 3100Z with big block $11,900 out the door
Exmark Lazer X series $11,800 out the door
So to me the extra pennies for the C&C package out ways anything else and JD is the only one with the that C&C set-up right now.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
John deere 31 hp Kawi. Ferris 37 hp. Compare apples to apples big daddy. Can get is 2100 with everything the 960r has for 9000.Around here with cash in hand, no financing this is what you can purchase.
JD 960R $12,300 out the door
Gravely 460 $11,900 out the door
Ferris 3100Z with big block $11,900 out the door
Exmark Lazer X series $11,800 out the door
So to me the extra pennies for the C&C package out ways anything else and JD is the only one with the that C&C set-up right now.
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djdicetn
That's interesting price comparisons(KY should be relatively close to TN prices). I would have thought, though, that the Exmark Lazer Z X series would have been closer to the JD price(low to mid $12k). If that is a 60" Lazer Z, that's a very good price out of that bunch!!
djdicetn
Around here with cash in hand, no financing this is what you can purchase.
JD 960R $12,300 out the door
Gravely 460 $11,900 out the door
Ferris 3100Z with big block $11,900 out the door
Exmark Lazer X series $11,800 out the door
That's interesting price comparisons(KY should be relatively close to TN prices). I would have thought, though, that the Exmark Lazer Z X series would have been closer to the JD price(low to mid $12k). If that is a 60" Lazer Z, that's a very good price out of that bunch!!
#44
djdicetn
I was going to say something myself about the JD 960R comparison to the Gravely 460, but I didn't want to come off as a "JD hater":0)
But, the Gravely Pro-Turn XDZ 260 has the same level of components to the JD 960R and right now the "Haggle Free Pricing" at Gravely dealers shows a $9,399 MSRP with a Kawa FX. You could easily be OTD for < $10k.
Oooops...correction, to get apples-to-apples...the Gravely with a 27hp Kawa is $9,899 MSRP plus taxes, so you'd probably be looking at $10,200 or so OTD. The earlier price was with a 24.5hp Kawa(which actually would be fine for a 60").
djdicetn
John deere 31 hp Kawi. Ferris 37 hp. Compare apples to apples big daddy. Can get is 2100 with everything the 960r has for 9000.
I was going to say something myself about the JD 960R comparison to the Gravely 460, but I didn't want to come off as a "JD hater":0)
But, the Gravely Pro-Turn XDZ 260 has the same level of components to the JD 960R and right now the "Haggle Free Pricing" at Gravely dealers shows a $9,399 MSRP with a Kawa FX. You could easily be OTD for < $10k.
Oooops...correction, to get apples-to-apples...the Gravely with a 27hp Kawa is $9,899 MSRP plus taxes, so you'd probably be looking at $10,200 or so OTD. The earlier price was with a 24.5hp Kawa(which actually would be fine for a 60").
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Shughes717
Your not coming off as a jd hater just helping prove the point that their mowers are over priced.
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Shughes717
I was going to say something myself about the JD 960R comparison to the Gravely 460, but I didn't want to come off as a "JD hater":0)
But, the Gravely Pro-Turn XDZ 260 has the same level of components to the JD 960R and right now the "Haggle Free Pricing" at Gravely dealers shows a $9,399 MSRP with a Kawa FX. You could easily be OTD for < $10k.
Oooops...correction, to get apples-to-apples...the Gravely with a 27hp Kawa is $9,899 MSRP plus taxes, so you'd probably be looking at $10,200 or so OTD. The earlier price was with a 24.5hp Kawa(which actually would be fine for a 60").
Your not coming off as a jd hater just helping prove the point that their mowers are over priced.
#46
Av8r
That 960 looks like a great unit, just bigger than I need and more than I can spend, but would love to own one. :wink:
Don't let the others jealously get to ya.
Av8r
Nope just tired of the smartarse comments always flying about JD mowers, I have ridden most and demoed most so I am just sick of everyone saying you are only buying paint.
That 960 looks like a great unit, just bigger than I need and more than I can spend, but would love to own one. :wink:
Don't let the others jealously get to ya.
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Shughes717
No jealousy here. One of my best buddies just bought an 820a. Got it for a great price. He asked my opinion before he purchased it. 200 hrs in good running condition with some cosmetic issues for 4000. I suggested he buy it. Not a jd hater, just a jd new mower price hater. And yes you are paying for paint.
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Shughes717
That 960 looks like a great unit, just bigger than I need and more than I can spend, but would love to own one. :wink:
Don't let the others jealously get to ya.
No jealousy here. One of my best buddies just bought an 820a. Got it for a great price. He asked my opinion before he purchased it. 200 hrs in good running condition with some cosmetic issues for 4000. I suggested he buy it. Not a jd hater, just a jd new mower price hater. And yes you are paying for paint.
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Av8r
Color doesn't matter to me, just the right Machine for the right job, level cut, comfort, power, etc...mine is over kill, but I love it
Av8r
No jealousy here. One of my best buddies just bought an 820a. Got it for a great price. He asked my opinion before he purchased it. 200 hrs in good running condition with some cosmetic issues for 4000. I suggested he buy it. Not a jd hater, just a jd new mower price hater. And yes you are paying for paint.
Color doesn't matter to me, just the right Machine for the right job, level cut, comfort, power, etc...mine is over kill, but I love it
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Shughes717
Ferris mowers are great machines. Is2100 is tops on my wish list. Just a little more than I can afford. Love my snapper pro. Will probably get the suspension seat and lights before next season. The paying for paint comment was a reply to nwatson99s remark.
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Shughes717
Color doesn't matter to me, just the right Machine for the right job, level cut, comfort, power, etc...mine is over kill, but I love it
Ferris mowers are great machines. Is2100 is tops on my wish list. Just a little more than I can afford. Love my snapper pro. Will probably get the suspension seat and lights before next season. The paying for paint comment was a reply to nwatson99s remark.
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Nwatson99
Now you go learn what the functions and features of the JD are, then you find a mower equal to it, then we will discuss this more.
Nwatson99
Yes the Kohler engine is no match for the Kawasaki, but when I called and got the Ferris price that was all I had to work with.John deere 31 hp Kawi. Ferris 37 hp. Compare apples to apples big daddy.
NO YOU CANNOT!!Can get is 2100 with everything the 960r has for 9000.
Now you go learn what the functions and features of the JD are, then you find a mower equal to it, then we will discuss this more.
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Nwatson99
Last time with this.
Name one more with Hydraulic deck lift
Name one mower with Deck Emergency Kill Button on Controller
Name one mower with Push Button Deck Lift on Controller
Name one mower with hydraulic cross porting cooling system
Then on top of this you add 1 piece deck
NO ONE IS COMPARABLE to the John Deere Z900 Series!!
Nwatson99
No jealousy here. One of my best buddies just bought an 820a. Got it for a great price. He asked my opinion before he purchased it. 200 hrs in good running condition with some cosmetic issues for 4000. I suggested he buy it. Not a jd hater, just a jd new mower price hater. And yes you are paying for paint.
Last time with this.
Name one more with Hydraulic deck lift
Name one mower with Deck Emergency Kill Button on Controller
Name one mower with Push Button Deck Lift on Controller
Name one mower with hydraulic cross porting cooling system
Then on top of this you add 1 piece deck
NO ONE IS COMPARABLE to the John Deere Z900 Series!!
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Shughes717
One last time. The more complicated mechanical components are the more likely they will fail, and the more expensive. That means nothing. Good deck, but they are all good decks. It makes no difference whether the deck is stamped or welded. They are all sturdy. Again the main parts of all the zero turn mowers are the same. If you want to pay too much then that's your problem. I want a mower that will hold up and cut my lawn fast with a quality cut. There are many brands out there that will do that, so the next thing to look at is price and john deere thinks because their mowers are the color of money they should cost more. The buttons you are talking about isn't worth $2000 to me.
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Shughes717
Last time with this.
Name one more with Hydraulic deck lift
Name one mower with Deck Emergency Kill Button on Controller
Name one mower with Push Button Deck Lift on Controller
Name one mower with hydraulic cross porting cooling system
Then on top of this you add 1 piece deck
NO ONE IS COMPARABLE to the John Deere Z900 Series!!
One last time. The more complicated mechanical components are the more likely they will fail, and the more expensive. That means nothing. Good deck, but they are all good decks. It makes no difference whether the deck is stamped or welded. They are all sturdy. Again the main parts of all the zero turn mowers are the same. If you want to pay too much then that's your problem. I want a mower that will hold up and cut my lawn fast with a quality cut. There are many brands out there that will do that, so the next thing to look at is price and john deere thinks because their mowers are the color of money they should cost more. The buttons you are talking about isn't worth $2000 to me.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
All of the mower brands offer something a little different out there to try to set themselves apart. Trying to say no mower compares to jd because you can push a button to raise the deck is ridiculous. Hustler mows faster and offers flex forks. That doesn't mean no mower compares. Ferris is the only brand that offers spring suspension. That doesn't mean no mower compares. Country clipper is the only mower that offers single joy stick controls and a flip up deck. That doesn't mean no other mower compares. By the way, all of those mowers are cheaper than jd.
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caryalsobrook
Your last sentence says it all. That is why you(you referring to all of us) are always trying to compare apples to oranges. Would anyone think manufacturers would want you to be able to compare EXACTLY their product to a competitor? I don't think so.
You have listed some things that you think are advantages of JD, so why don't you tell why you think they are worth the price? Personally, not sure I even like the emergency kill button. When someone drives my Honda 4-wheeler and turns it off using the kill switch, I then have to remember it is there since I have never used it. That is ok. To each his own. What I am looking for is those things that each in his opinion sees as advantages and those thing each sees as disadvantages or low priority. As to the cost, that is the easiest thing to figure.
I appreciate different opinions but do wish that all could refrain from getting their panties in a wad. I had much more like to hear the opinions here than listen to the salesman. Never have trusted them very much. :laughing::laughing: My friend looked at a Hustler this weekend and liked it and I say a thread about the problems with the Rapter. I like the idea of the independent suspension of the Ferris. The 25% discount for farms with horses will be a big factor for me.
You guys are great to give your opinions and I do believe they are a help to me. But try not to get our panties in a wad.:biggrin:
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caryalsobrook
Last time with this.
Name one more with Hydraulic deck lift
Name one mower with Deck Emergency Kill Button on Controller
Name one mower with Push Button Deck Lift on Controller
Name one mower with hydraulic cross porting cooling system
Then on top of this you add 1 piece deck
NO ONE IS COMPARABLE to the John Deere Z900 Series!!
Your last sentence says it all. That is why you(you referring to all of us) are always trying to compare apples to oranges. Would anyone think manufacturers would want you to be able to compare EXACTLY their product to a competitor? I don't think so.
You have listed some things that you think are advantages of JD, so why don't you tell why you think they are worth the price? Personally, not sure I even like the emergency kill button. When someone drives my Honda 4-wheeler and turns it off using the kill switch, I then have to remember it is there since I have never used it. That is ok. To each his own. What I am looking for is those things that each in his opinion sees as advantages and those thing each sees as disadvantages or low priority. As to the cost, that is the easiest thing to figure.
I appreciate different opinions but do wish that all could refrain from getting their panties in a wad. I had much more like to hear the opinions here than listen to the salesman. Never have trusted them very much. :laughing::laughing: My friend looked at a Hustler this weekend and liked it and I say a thread about the problems with the Rapter. I like the idea of the independent suspension of the Ferris. The 25% discount for farms with horses will be a big factor for me.
You guys are great to give your opinions and I do believe they are a help to me. But try not to get our panties in a wad.:biggrin:
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Shughes717
Well said. Hustlers are very good mowers. Which model did your friend look at?
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Shughes717
Your last sentence says it all. That is why you(you referring to all of us) are always trying to compare apples to oranges. Would anyone think manufacturers would want you to be able to compare EXACTLY their product to a competitor? I don't think so.
You have listed some things that you think are advantages of JD, so why don't you tell why you think they are worth the price? Personally, not sure I even like the emergency kill button. When someone drives my Honda 4-wheeler and turns it off using the kill switch, I then have to remember it is there since I have never used it. That is ok. To each his own. What I am looking for is those things that each in his opinion sees as advantages and those thing each sees as disadvantages or low priority. As to the cost, that is the easiest thing to figure.
I appreciate different opinions but do wish that all could refrain from getting their panties in a wad. I had much more like to hear the opinions here than listen to the salesman. Never have trusted them very much. :laughing::laughing: My friend looked at a Hustler this weekend and liked it and I say a thread about the problems with the Rapter. I like the idea of the independent suspension of the Ferris. The 25% discount for farms with horses will be a big factor for me.
You guys are great to give your opinions and I do believe they are a help to me. But try not to get our panties in a wad.:biggrin:
Well said. Hustlers are very good mowers. Which model did your friend look at?
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
By the way caryalsobrook, my dad told me to let you know you can come by his house and test his mower the next time you are here if you want. His is more in the range of what you are looking at than mine.
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DSepe
DSepe
He is the most avid JD guy and only one that seems to defend JD on this forum.
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caryalsobrook
My friend didn't say what hstler he looked at but that the dealer in Murfreesboro offered a demo. I didn't even know that the Raptor was not a commercial mower. See how one can learn here WITHOUT having to rely on the salesman??:biggrin:
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caryalsobrook
Not leaving till the end of the week. Will pick up some pheasants and Scott and I are going to train upland in preparation for the Grand. We are waiting hoping for cooler weather. I plan on calling your dad today and go and see him. I also want to find out if he has found an RV park for the Grand near Union City. I need to make reservations.By the way caryalsobrook, my dad told me to let you know you can come by his house and test his mower the next time you are here if you want. His is more in the range of what you are looking at than mine.
My friend didn't say what hstler he looked at but that the dealer in Murfreesboro offered a demo. I didn't even know that the Raptor was not a commercial mower. See how one can learn here WITHOUT having to rely on the salesman??:biggrin:
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DK35vince
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DK35vince
I sure like my Hustler Super Z . Very well built mower.
Here is a video of the Super Z Hyper Drive
Hustler Super Z 3D Animation - YouTube
Here is a video of the Super Z Hyper Drive
Hustler Super Z 3D Animation - YouTube
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Nwatson99
With the pain I live with, the JD 960R with the Comfort and Convenience package has many advantages of most if not all other manufacturers thus allowing me to mow in comfort.
Things I do not have to do like you do with 95% of the mowers out there today on the market:
1. I do not have to bend over while in a setting position to adjust, pull, pin, start, throttle, or anything.
2. I do not have to push a pedal to lift my deck up or down, nor I do not have to use a foot pedal to adjust deck height.
Things that JD has the advantage of over most others while operating:
1. The Emergency Kill switch is for the Deck only and is located on the end of the controller, thus allowing you to stop the deck without removing your hands from the controller and it is faster to kill the deck in an emergency instead of hitting the deck engagement / pto switch.
2. Deck lift is on the other controller so I can lift the deck up and down with the push of the button.
3. Deck height and lock is on the instrument panel, so I do not have to remove my arm from my arm rest to adjust anything with the deck.
4. John Deere's strength which is a plus and also a negative, the construction and strength is legendary and speaks for itself, however unfortunately the strength also comes with additional weight which is easier to get stuck.
5. One piece deck design, eliminates seams, welds, etc.
6. Cross port hydraulic cooling system
Let's see a show of hands, who has one of the following units?
JD 960R
Gravely 460
Ferris 3100Z
Exmark Lazer Z X Series
Nwatson99
Okay I am only mid 40's, I suffered a severe spinal injury to my neck and back. I can longer work and wished I could go back to work everyday of my life, I am in constant pain some days and to rate my pain I have bad days and I have worse days since I have never felt a good day in years.Your last sentence says it all. That is why you(you referring to all of us) are always trying to compare apples to oranges. Would anyone think manufacturers would want you to be able to compare EXACTLY their product to a competitor? I don't think so.
You have listed some things that you think are advantages of JD, so why don't you tell why you think they are worth the price? Personally, not sure I even like the emergency kill button. When someone drives my Honda 4-wheeler and turns it off using the kill switch, I then have to remember it is there since I have never used it. That is ok. To each his own. What I am looking for is those things that each in his opinion sees as advantages and those thing each sees as disadvantages or low priority. As to the cost, that is the easiest thing to figure.
I appreciate different opinions but do wish that all could refrain from getting their panties in a wad. I had much more like to hear the opinions here than listen to the salesman. Never have trusted them very much. :laughing::laughing: My friend looked at a Hustler this weekend and liked it and I say a thread about the problems with the Rapter. I like the idea of the independent suspension of the Ferris. The 25% discount for farms with horses will be a big factor for me.
You guys are great to give your opinions and I do believe they are a help to me. But try not to get our panties in a wad.:biggrin:
With the pain I live with, the JD 960R with the Comfort and Convenience package has many advantages of most if not all other manufacturers thus allowing me to mow in comfort.
Things I do not have to do like you do with 95% of the mowers out there today on the market:
1. I do not have to bend over while in a setting position to adjust, pull, pin, start, throttle, or anything.
2. I do not have to push a pedal to lift my deck up or down, nor I do not have to use a foot pedal to adjust deck height.
Things that JD has the advantage of over most others while operating:
1. The Emergency Kill switch is for the Deck only and is located on the end of the controller, thus allowing you to stop the deck without removing your hands from the controller and it is faster to kill the deck in an emergency instead of hitting the deck engagement / pto switch.
2. Deck lift is on the other controller so I can lift the deck up and down with the push of the button.
3. Deck height and lock is on the instrument panel, so I do not have to remove my arm from my arm rest to adjust anything with the deck.
4. John Deere's strength which is a plus and also a negative, the construction and strength is legendary and speaks for itself, however unfortunately the strength also comes with additional weight which is easier to get stuck.
5. One piece deck design, eliminates seams, welds, etc.
6. Cross port hydraulic cooling system
Yep I guess so, but anyone would be when you purchase a top of the line mower and folks not knowing what they are talking about are saying all you purchased was paint.He is the most avid JD guy and only one that seems to defend JD on this forum.
Let's see a show of hands, who has one of the following units?
JD 960R
Gravely 460
Ferris 3100Z
Exmark Lazer Z X Series
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Shughes717
The super z is one of my favorite mowers. It is well built. Ranks with the ferris is2100 IMO.
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Shughes717
I sure like my Hustler Super Z . Very well built mower.
Here is a video of the Super Z Hyper Drive
Hustler Super Z 3D Animation - YouTube
The super z is one of my favorite mowers. It is well built. Ranks with the ferris is2100 IMO.
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caryalsobrook
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caryalsobrook
Boy does that post let all know where you are coming. Couple of questions. Can you explain the cross port hydraulic cooling system and do you think that independent suspension would have been better for you had JD had that? I think you explained everything else quite well.Okay I am only mid 40's, I suffered a severe spinal injury to my neck and back. I can longer work and wished I could go back to work everyday of my life, I am in constant pain some days and to rate my pain I have bad days and I have worse days since I have never felt a good day in years.
With the pain I live with, the JD 960R with the Comfort and Convenience package has many advantages of most if not all other manufacturers thus allowing me to mow in comfort.
Things I do not have to do like you do with 95% of the mowers out there today on the market:
1. I do not have to bend over while in a setting position to adjust, pull, pin, start, throttle, or anything.
2. I do not have to push a pedal to lift my deck up or down, nor I do not have to use a foot pedal to adjust deck height.
Things that JD has the advantage of over most others while operating:
1. The Emergency Kill switch is for the Deck only and is located on the end of the controller, thus allowing you to stop the deck without removing your hands from the controller and it is faster to kill the deck in an emergency instead of hitting the deck engagement / pto switch.
2. Deck lift is on the other controller so I can lift the deck up and down with the push of the button.
3. Deck height and lock is on the instrument panel, so I do not have to remove my arm from my arm rest to adjust anything with the deck.
4. John Deere's strength which is a plus and also a negative, the construction and strength is legendary and speaks for itself, however unfortunately the strength also comes with additional weight which is easier to get stuck.
5. One piece deck design, eliminates seams, welds, etc.
6. Cross port hydraulic cooling system
Yep I guess so, but anyone would be when you purchase a top of the line mower and folks not knowing what they are talking about are saying all you purchased was paint.
Let's see a show of hands, who has one of the following units?
JD 960R
Gravely 460
Ferris 3100Z
Exmark Lazer Z X Series
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Shughes717
Again you are trying to compare the 960r to mowers that are in a class with larger engines. I understand that the features on the jd may suit your needs better, but that doesn't mean no other mower compares. Your blind loyalty to the jd mower prevents you from understanding the point that is being made. Too expensive for what is offered!!! I have been around many used commercial mowers, welded and the jd 7 iron deck. Never seen any of them have a problem with durability so the comment about the stamped deck is a meaningless point. You bought a mower that you think is tops. The others you mentioned are in another class all together.
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Shughes717
Okay I am only mid 40's, I suffered a severe spinal injury to my neck and back. I can longer work and wished I could go back to work everyday of my life, I am in constant pain some days and to rate my pain I have bad days and I have worse days since I have never felt a good day in years.
With the pain I live with, the JD 960R with the Comfort and Convenience package has many advantages of most if not all other manufacturers thus allowing me to mow in comfort.
Things I do not have to do like you do with 95% of the mowers out there today on the market:
1. I do not have to bend over while in a setting position to adjust, pull, pin, start, throttle, or anything.
2. I do not have to push a pedal to lift my deck up or down, nor I do not have to use a foot pedal to adjust deck height.
Things that JD has the advantage of over most others while operating:
1. The Emergency Kill switch is for the Deck only and is located on the end of the controller, thus allowing you to stop the deck without removing your hands from the controller and it is faster to kill the deck in an emergency instead of hitting the deck engagement / pto switch.
2. Deck lift is on the other controller so I can lift the deck up and down with the push of the button.
3. Deck height and lock is on the instrument panel, so I do not have to remove my arm from my arm rest to adjust anything with the deck.
4. John Deere's strength which is a plus and also a negative, the construction and strength is legendary and speaks for itself, however unfortunately the strength also comes with additional weight which is easier to get stuck.
5. One piece deck design, eliminates seams, welds, etc.
6. Cross port hydraulic cooling system
Yep I guess so, but anyone would be when you purchase a top of the line mower and folks not knowing what they are talking about are saying all you purchased was paint.
Let's see a show of hands, who has one of the following units?
JD 960R
Gravely 460
Ferris 3100Z
Exmark Lazer Z X Series
Again you are trying to compare the 960r to mowers that are in a class with larger engines. I understand that the features on the jd may suit your needs better, but that doesn't mean no other mower compares. Your blind loyalty to the jd mower prevents you from understanding the point that is being made. Too expensive for what is offered!!! I have been around many used commercial mowers, welded and the jd 7 iron deck. Never seen any of them have a problem with durability so the comment about the stamped deck is a meaningless point. You bought a mower that you think is tops. The others you mentioned are in another class all together.
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Nwatson99
Well that is funny you say that, according to the dealers around here these are the mowers offered by other companies that in the class of the 960R and the Ferris was the only one with a larger engine, but the dealer not me compared it to the 960R and this is the info directly from the dealers.
960R Kawasakiｮ FX921V 31 HP/999 CC Tuff Torq heavy-duty integrated piston pump 11.5 gal 12 mph
460 992235 Kawasakiｮ FX921V 31 HP/999 CC Hydro-Gearｮ ZT-5400 Transaxles 13.4 gal 13 mph
LZX921KA606 Kawasakiｮ FX921V 31 HP/999 CC Two Exmark exclusive Parker unitized pump, no reservoir 12-gallon 11.5 mph
S3100ZBV3661 36 gross hp Vanguard BIG BLOCK 61" deck hydro pumps with 8 cooling fans, 11 gal. 12 MPH
I recommended the R series and pointed out the 960R and here you came knocking on the mower about the expense, paint, etc then here came a few more friendly jabs and now it is down to this.
So no I am not over stepping and comparing larger mowers, it was the dealers that said these models from these manufacturers not me, I just wrote down the info and prices.
Nwatson99
Again you are trying to compare the 960r to mowers that are in a class with larger engines. I understand that the features on the jd may suit your needs better, but that doesn't mean no other mower compares. Your blind loyalty to the jd mower prevents you from understanding the point that is being made. Too expensive for what is offered!!! I have been around many used commercial mowers, welded and the jd 7 iron deck. Never seen any of them have a problem with durability so the comment about the stamped deck is a meaningless point. You bought a mower that you think is tops. The others you mentioned are in another class all together.
Well that is funny you say that, according to the dealers around here these are the mowers offered by other companies that in the class of the 960R and the Ferris was the only one with a larger engine, but the dealer not me compared it to the 960R and this is the info directly from the dealers.
960R Kawasakiｮ FX921V 31 HP/999 CC Tuff Torq heavy-duty integrated piston pump 11.5 gal 12 mph
460 992235 Kawasakiｮ FX921V 31 HP/999 CC Hydro-Gearｮ ZT-5400 Transaxles 13.4 gal 13 mph
LZX921KA606 Kawasakiｮ FX921V 31 HP/999 CC Two Exmark exclusive Parker unitized pump, no reservoir 12-gallon 11.5 mph
S3100ZBV3661 36 gross hp Vanguard BIG BLOCK 61" deck hydro pumps with 8 cooling fans, 11 gal. 12 MPH
I recommended the R series and pointed out the 960R and here you came knocking on the mower about the expense, paint, etc then here came a few more friendly jabs and now it is down to this.
So no I am not over stepping and comparing larger mowers, it was the dealers that said these models from these manufacturers not me, I just wrote down the info and prices.
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Nwatson99
I am sorry for ranting in your topic, but I am just sick of folks saying JD you are only paying for paint.
The cross-port is additional lines, external filter with a electronic valve that detects / measures the heat of the hydraulic fluid and sends the cooler fluid on to the trannies and re-rotues the hotter fluid back through the hydraulic cooler.
Since JD came out with this they also removed the electric deck lift and utilized this system for a hydraulic deck lifting system which is goes up and down much smoother and softer than the old electric lift did.
Well and another thing when I was looking earlier this year for trading in my 930A, JD was also coming out with independent flex front wheels with the run flats so that was another plus for going back with another JD ztrak, but at this time that is on the back burner for more R&D, when this comes out I already told my dealer to get a set ordered when they are released for the public.
The independent suspension of the ferris was nice, but it with the adjustment of the deck, etc, it never rode better than the JD with the deluxe lumbar seat that is why I never struck a deal with them on my 930A trade in.
The gravely with the air ride seat pretty much about the same reason as above.
Exmark now they did have two things I liked better than the JD, the gas tank is in the middle of the mower under the seat and independent sealed trannies, but like the ferris, gravely, toro, grasshopper and everything else was all levers and pins.
If you want a mower you sit down in the seat and adjust everything without bending over, using your leg for lifting the deck, etc. then JD has it
Nwatson99
Boy does that post let all know where you are coming. Couple of questions. Can you explain the cross port hydraulic cooling system and do you think that independent suspension would have been better for you had JD had that? I think you explained everything else quite well.
I am sorry for ranting in your topic, but I am just sick of folks saying JD you are only paying for paint.
The cross-port is additional lines, external filter with a electronic valve that detects / measures the heat of the hydraulic fluid and sends the cooler fluid on to the trannies and re-rotues the hotter fluid back through the hydraulic cooler.
Since JD came out with this they also removed the electric deck lift and utilized this system for a hydraulic deck lifting system which is goes up and down much smoother and softer than the old electric lift did.
Well and another thing when I was looking earlier this year for trading in my 930A, JD was also coming out with independent flex front wheels with the run flats so that was another plus for going back with another JD ztrak, but at this time that is on the back burner for more R&D, when this comes out I already told my dealer to get a set ordered when they are released for the public.
The independent suspension of the ferris was nice, but it with the adjustment of the deck, etc, it never rode better than the JD with the deluxe lumbar seat that is why I never struck a deal with them on my 930A trade in.
The gravely with the air ride seat pretty much about the same reason as above.
Exmark now they did have two things I liked better than the JD, the gas tank is in the middle of the mower under the seat and independent sealed trannies, but like the ferris, gravely, toro, grasshopper and everything else was all levers and pins.
If you want a mower you sit down in the seat and adjust everything without bending over, using your leg for lifting the deck, etc. then JD has it
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Shughes717
We will never agree. That much is obvious. You are the one that makes comments like nothing compares to jd. The only thing jd has on the other mowers is over pricing period. As I said earlier if you want to pay more money for a mower more power to you. Money is too hard for most people to do that. That's why more of them aren't seen around here. Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I know nothing about the mowers you listed. The only one I can't comment on is the gravely. It's the only one I have no experience with. Just because you own a 960r doesn't mean you know more about the other mowers mentioned than any of us. You preaching how jd is better than the other mowers because the hydraulic deck and kill switch (waste of money IMO) and the deck is no different than any other person on here with blind loyalty to the mowers they own and quote the company has a different feature than the others. It's an opinion not a fact. I simply pointed out the fact that jd prices are too high. That I have a lot of experience with, but you go on preaching about how you went with the most expensive mower like that makes it better because it cost more. I have made my point.
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Shughes717
I am sorry for ranting in your topic, but I am just sick of folks saying JD you are only paying for paint.
The cross-port is additional lines, external filter with a electronic valve that detects / measures the heat of the hydraulic fluid and sends the cooler fluid on to the trannies and re-rotues the hotter fluid back through the hydraulic cooler.
Since JD came out with this they also removed the electric deck lift and utilized this system for a hydraulic deck lifting system which is goes up and down much smoother and softer than the old electric lift did.
Well and another thing when I was looking earlier this year for trading in my 930A, JD was also coming out with independent flex front wheels with the run flats so that was another plus for going back with another JD ztrak, but at this time that is on the back burner for more R&D, when this comes out I already told my dealer to get a set ordered when they are released for the public.
The independent suspension of the ferris was nice, but it with the adjustment of the deck, etc, it never rode better than the JD with the deluxe lumbar seat that is why I never struck a deal with them on my 930A trade in.
The gravely with the air ride seat pretty much about the same reason as above.
Exmark now they did have two things I liked better than the JD, the gas tank is in the middle of the mower under the seat and independent sealed trannies, but like the ferris, gravely, toro, grasshopper and everything else was all levers and pins.
If you want a mower you sit down in the seat and adjust everything without bending over, using your leg for lifting the deck, etc. then JD has it
We will never agree. That much is obvious. You are the one that makes comments like nothing compares to jd. The only thing jd has on the other mowers is over pricing period. As I said earlier if you want to pay more money for a mower more power to you. Money is too hard for most people to do that. That's why more of them aren't seen around here. Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I know nothing about the mowers you listed. The only one I can't comment on is the gravely. It's the only one I have no experience with. Just because you own a 960r doesn't mean you know more about the other mowers mentioned than any of us. You preaching how jd is better than the other mowers because the hydraulic deck and kill switch (waste of money IMO) and the deck is no different than any other person on here with blind loyalty to the mowers they own and quote the company has a different feature than the others. It's an opinion not a fact. I simply pointed out the fact that jd prices are too high. That I have a lot of experience with, but you go on preaching about how you went with the most expensive mower like that makes it better because it cost more. I have made my point.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
I also have experience with electric over hydraulic switches. Jd has been using them for years. Talk to me how you like it in a few years when the warranty is up and you have to pay for repairs. Those levers and pins won't quit working. If something does happen put a new pin in at a tenth the cost. More complicated isn't always better. That's why no other mower uses the hydraulic deck lift.
#68
Nwatson99
Oh and I just purchased JD because of the price?? Now you are dumb or you just doing this for shats and giggles, but either way you have just proved it one or the other, I made a list of items on why I went with JD and price was not it so stop it.
Nwatson99
Then why are you still trying to impress your will if you do not like my choice stop nagging on JD and me.We will never agree. That much is obvious. You are the one that makes comments like nothing compares to jd. The only thing jd has on the other mowers is over pricing period. As I said earlier if you want to pay more money for a mower more power to you. Money is too hard for most people to do that. That's why more of them aren't seen around here. Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I know nothing about the mowers you listed. The only one I can't comment on is the gravely. It's the only one I have no experience with. Just because you own a 960r doesn't mean you know more about the other mowers mentioned than any of us. You preaching how jd is better than the other mowers because the hydraulic deck and kill switch (waste of money IMO) and the deck is no different than any other person on here with blind loyalty to the mowers they own and quote the company has a different feature than the others. It's an opinion not a fact. I simply pointed out the fact that jd prices are too high. That I have a lot of experience with, but you go on preaching about how you went with the most expensive mower like that makes it better because it cost more. I have made my point.
Oh and I just purchased JD because of the price?? Now you are dumb or you just doing this for shats and giggles, but either way you have just proved it one or the other, I made a list of items on why I went with JD and price was not it so stop it.
:laughing: anything else you want to cry about or try to convince folks of??I also have experience with electric over hydraulic switches. Jd has been using them for years. Talk to me how you like it in a few years when the warranty is up and you have to pay for repairs. Those levers and pins won't quit working. If something does happen put a new pin in at a tenth the cost. More complicated isn't always better. That's why no other mower uses the hydraulic deck lift.
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Shughes717
Nobody crying here. You are the one getting upset. Just stating facts. You made the most expensive comment in your first post. I try to be objective with every machine. As I said I have recommended a used jd mower to a friend. If john deere brought their prices back to earth they would sell more. You apparently have never had anything with electric over hydraulics before. It will eventually fail. But just keep making it personal.
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Shughes717
Then why are you still trying to impress your will if you do not like my choice stop nagging on JD and me.
Oh and I just purchased JD because of the price?? Now you are dumb or you just doing this for shats and giggles, but either way you have just proved it one or the other, I made a list of items on why I went with JD and price was not it so stop it.
:laughing: anything else you want to cry about or try to convince folks of??
Nobody crying here. You are the one getting upset. Just stating facts. You made the most expensive comment in your first post. I try to be objective with every machine. As I said I have recommended a used jd mower to a friend. If john deere brought their prices back to earth they would sell more. You apparently have never had anything with electric over hydraulics before. It will eventually fail. But just keep making it personal.
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caryalsobrook
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caryalsobrook
Looks like I will go with the Xmark LZS801KA604 It has the Kawasaki 801 motor and 60 in. deck with the suspension seat. Price was major factor. With the equine discount, price is $9000 plus tax with discount. Can't wait till Sept. and it seemed to be by far the best price mower I could find. All seemed topnotch in that class but only price was the major difference. Any comments?
#71
Vanousb
Congrats and welcome to the Exmark family. Great choice. Exmark is one of the top of the line mowers you can get. I am especially impressed with the S-series mowers Exmark offers. What a great discount to get that final price for that machine. You will have to post some pics in Sept.
Vanousb
Looks like I will go with the Xmark LZS801KA604 It has the Kawasaki 801 motor and 60 in. deck with the suspension seat. Price was major factor. With the equine discount, price is $9000 plus tax with discount. Can't wait till Sept. and it seemed to be by far the best price mower I could find. All seemed topnotch in that class but only price was the major difference. Any comments?
Congrats and welcome to the Exmark family. Great choice. Exmark is one of the top of the line mowers you can get. I am especially impressed with the S-series mowers Exmark offers. What a great discount to get that final price for that machine. You will have to post some pics in Sept.
#72
Nwatson99
Congrats on the new mower, but you purchased it for the wrong reason.
Nwatson99
Looks like I will go with the Xmark LZS801KA604 It has the Kawasaki 801 motor and 60 in. deck with the suspension seat. Price was major factor. With the equine discount, price is $9000 plus tax with discount. Can't wait till Sept. and it seemed to be by far the best price mower I could find. All seemed topnotch in that class but only price was the major difference. Any comments?
Congrats on the new mower, but you purchased it for the wrong reason.
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Shughes717
The laser z is a fine mower. You made a good choice. It will handle anything you want to mow.
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Shughes717
Looks like I will go with the Xmark LZS801KA604 It has the Kawasaki 801 motor and 60 in. deck with the suspension seat. Price was major factor. With the equine discount, price is $9000 plus tax with discount. Can't wait till Sept. and it seemed to be by far the best price mower I could find. All seemed topnotch in that class but only price was the major difference. Any comments?
The laser z is a fine mower. You made a good choice. It will handle anything you want to mow.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
I agree with you that price should be a big factor in your decision. All of the mowers in the class you were looking at are great mowers, so the only two other things to consider are price and dealer support. Plenty of dealer support in the dyersburg area for exmark. Tennessee tractor (the jd dealer in our area) in dyersburg, Alamo, and ripely are all exmark dealers.