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I have a toro 22 personal pace mod. 20333 with two belts and the drive belt i can't seem to be able to figure out how to get it positioned oon the pulley without taken off motor mounts??? Help

You have a Toro mower with a blade brake clutch system. One belt (short and heavy) drives the blade, while the other (longer and lighter) is for traction drive. You don't have to remove any engine mounting bolts to change either belt, but there is some disaasembly required. Unless you are a better the average garage mechanic, I would not attempt to do this service work. Depending on the year of the unit, you could easily get caught with a big repair bill. Just my opinion, I would replace both belts plus check the BBC idler pulley while everything is apart. This repair takes me between 45 minutes to one hour to do and I do about a dozen a season. Not a job I recommend you take on, and sorry I can find no manual to help you out.

Is the transmission on the mower with the blade clutch the same as the other mod 20333?

I have no idea what you are asking. All model 20333 have the blade brake clutch system.

Your estimate time to change both drive and blade belts on a Toro 20333 was about 1 1/2 hrs. does that estimate include complete take apart and put back together?

I should be able to fully change both belts in an hour and a half. That being said, I posted that I would not recommend the average mechanic attempt this job. I've probably changed over 100 units and it can be very tricky reassembling the clutch and drive systems, without running into problems. Proper torquing of the clutch flywheel, without pinching the belts or shearing the aligning pins, is the most difficult part. Again, I do not recommend you attempt this repair on your own. You could very easily end up with the unit in the shop, replacing more parts. Read my signature.

Rivets said:

I should be able to fully change both belts in an hour and a half. That being said, I posted that I would not recommend the average mechanic attempt this job. I've probably changed over 100 units and it can be very tricky reassembling the clutch and drive systems, without running into problems. Proper torquing of the clutch flywheel, without pinching the belts or shearing the aligning pins, is the most difficult part. Again, I do not recommend you attempt this repair on your own. You could very easily end up with the unit in the shop, replacing more parts. Read my signature.

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I'm in the same boat as this guy was. I could use some pointers about what you said. How much is the torque on that flywheel? Will I see the aligning pins after I pull the flywheel off. Any other tips you can give me will be very appreciated. I'm 75 and I use this mower for jobs.

Proper torquing of the clutch flywheel, without pinching the belts or shearing the aligning pins, is the most difficult part.

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I’m sorry but trying to explain the different parts of doing this job is not something I can do anymore. I’m also well north of 70 and trying to remember all the different steps, without having a unit in front of me, does not work any more. I can picture the procedure, but when I try to explain what needs to be done will leave too many holes in my explanation. On top of that, I’m just out of the hospital, after a bout of septus in my abdominal cavity, six months of recovery. Lost 30 lbs of weight and energy level is below 00000. Good luck, sorry I’m not much help.

Rivets said:

I’m sorry but trying to explain the different parts of doing this job is not something I can do anymore. I’m also well north of 70 and trying to remember all the different steps, without having a unit in front of me, does not work any more. I can picture the procedure, but when I try to explain what needs to be done will leave too many holes in my explanation. On top of that, I’m just out of the hospital, after a bout of septus in my abdominal cavity, six months of recovery. Lost 30 lbs of weight and energy level is below 00000. Good luck, sorry I’m not much help.

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I hope you get back to speed soon. I'm in a similar situation. My autoimmune got kicked last June and I got Polymyalgia-Rheumatica. By July, I was non functional and couldn't bend my fingers. I've been on chemo and steroids since then but still feel like I'm over 100. Thanks for responding.