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Raptor SD or Upgrade To Fastrak - Worth It?
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
I have a 2 year old Raptor SD 54 with Kawasaki engine, flex forks, engine guard and heat shield. Love the mower, very happy with the cut quality. I am getting the mower deck replaced under warranty due to faulty paint that is peeling off. While I am having it replaced, I am going to talk to the dealer about trading it in and upgrading to a new Fastrak 54 or 60. What I am looking for is more speed. I currently mow at full speed most of the time, and if I had the speed, I could use it to get my 5 acres done faster.
My father-in-law has an older Fastrak, about 8 years old. His Fastrak is significantly faster than my SD. I am guessing 50% faster. On paper, a new Fastrak is only slightly faster than my RSD - 8 mph vs 7 mph. I don't think I would notice a 1 mph difference in speed, if that is truly the difference. But the older Fastrak is way more than 1 mph faster.
Can anyone who upgraded from a Raptor SD to a Fastrak comment on if it is worth the extra money? Is the Fastrak that much faster than the RSD? What did the Fastrak do for improving your mowing time? I spend 2.5 hours on my 5 acres - lots of trees, and lots of broken up sections of yard, not one giant field.
My father-in-law has an older Fastrak, about 8 years old. His Fastrak is significantly faster than my SD. I am guessing 50% faster. On paper, a new Fastrak is only slightly faster than my RSD - 8 mph vs 7 mph. I don't think I would notice a 1 mph difference in speed, if that is truly the difference. But the older Fastrak is way more than 1 mph faster.
Can anyone who upgraded from a Raptor SD to a Fastrak comment on if it is worth the extra money? Is the Fastrak that much faster than the RSD? What did the Fastrak do for improving your mowing time? I spend 2.5 hours on my 5 acres - lots of trees, and lots of broken up sections of yard, not one giant field.
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mooch91
I made the same switch 3 years ago. I noticed an improvement in cut quality, but not so much in speed. In fact, I find myself wondering what 10+ mph would be like...
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mooch91
I have a 2 year old Raptor SD 54 with Kawasaki engine, flex forks, engine guard and heat shield. Love the mower, very happy with the cut quality. I am getting the mower deck replaced under warranty due to faulty paint that is peeling off. While I am having it replaced, I am going to talk to the dealer about trading it in and upgrading to a new Fastrak 54 or 60. What I am looking for is more speed. I currently mow at full speed most of the time, and if I had the speed, I could use it to get my 5 acres done faster.
My father-in-law has an older Fastrak, about 8 years old. His Fastrak is significantly faster than my SD. I am guessing 50% faster. On paper, a new Fastrak is only slightly faster than my RSD - 8 mph vs 7 mph. I don't think I would notice a 1 mph difference in speed, if that is truly the difference. But the older Fastrak is way more than 1 mph faster.
Can anyone who upgraded from a Raptor SD to a Fastrak comment on if it is worth the extra money? Is the Fastrak that much faster than the RSD? What did the Fastrak do for improving your mowing time? I spend 2.5 hours on my 5 acres - lots of trees, and lots of broken up sections of yard, not one giant field.
I made the same switch 3 years ago. I noticed an improvement in cut quality, but not so much in speed. In fact, I find myself wondering what 10+ mph would be like...
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
Thanks Mooch. I was afraid the speeds were similar given the specs of 7 vs 8 mph, not even sure I would really notice the difference of 1 mph. I wonder why my father-in-law's Fastrak is so much faster than my RSD. I am wondering if they have added too much weight to the newer Fastrak - it weighs 800lbs compared to the RDS's 600 lbs. The older Fastrak's look to be in the same size and weight as the RSD. 3100 hydros on a 600lb machine would let it go fast!
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mooch91
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mooch91
It really is hard to say whether or not you'd notice the difference. There are other things in the feel of how it rides that would be noticeable - for example, I found the Fastrak much easier to control, the RSD always felt "jerky" when I was behind the controls. I can keep straighter lines and control around trees and beds much more smoothly on the Fastrak.
Consider doing a demo - the Fastrak is one that dealers usually have available for demo. That's how I decided to upgrade mine - it cut so much better.
Consider doing a demo - the Fastrak is one that dealers usually have available for demo. That's how I decided to upgrade mine - it cut so much better.
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mhavanti
mhavanti
Mooch,
I've ridden all of the Hustler mowers as the block I live on has all of them. Everybody was trying to talk me into the model they owned which is normal of course.
An elderly gentleman (yes, even more so than myself) across the street has a Fastrack and the only thing I like about it over my RSD is the ease of setting the mower deck height and a tiny bit of speed. Other than that, I can't find any differences between the RSD and the Fastrak. The hydros are exactly the same with the exception of the third valve in the hydros that makes the 2800 hydro a 3100. His Fastak isn't any less sensitive than the RSD though. His does have six gallons of fuel capacity. Mine only has 3 gallons originally. 4 gallons since I raised the fuel tank ventilation hose to the fuel cap level allowing the two upper chambers to fill without pushing out fuel. By the way, only thing is, he never runs it faster than about a mile and a half to maybe close to two mile per hour. Wears me out watching him. lol.
I was wondering if you can tell me other differences I can't seem to notice. I like my wider tires, I like my engine guard better, I like my muffler better as it is quieter with a dB meter, and both seem to control exactly the same to me.
Even the X One and the Super Zs on the block all handle the same and mine rides better than all of them now since the flex forks were added along with the suspension seat kit.
Only two things I see for the Fastrak over the RSD is the deck setting device and the extra hydro valve. I don't mean this to sound or look sarcastic, I just can't see the extra expense and not gain anything. My lawn is the largest in the neighborhood and looks exactly the same as all the rest and I've got the only slum mower on the block, apparently. I know everything is taste and in the eye of the beholder. Just curious if you can actually feel or find anything worth the difference in price. I think both are grossly overpriced personally. lol
Thanks in advance,
Max
I've ridden all of the Hustler mowers as the block I live on has all of them. Everybody was trying to talk me into the model they owned which is normal of course.
An elderly gentleman (yes, even more so than myself) across the street has a Fastrack and the only thing I like about it over my RSD is the ease of setting the mower deck height and a tiny bit of speed. Other than that, I can't find any differences between the RSD and the Fastrak. The hydros are exactly the same with the exception of the third valve in the hydros that makes the 2800 hydro a 3100. His Fastak isn't any less sensitive than the RSD though. His does have six gallons of fuel capacity. Mine only has 3 gallons originally. 4 gallons since I raised the fuel tank ventilation hose to the fuel cap level allowing the two upper chambers to fill without pushing out fuel. By the way, only thing is, he never runs it faster than about a mile and a half to maybe close to two mile per hour. Wears me out watching him. lol.
I was wondering if you can tell me other differences I can't seem to notice. I like my wider tires, I like my engine guard better, I like my muffler better as it is quieter with a dB meter, and both seem to control exactly the same to me.
Even the X One and the Super Zs on the block all handle the same and mine rides better than all of them now since the flex forks were added along with the suspension seat kit.
Only two things I see for the Fastrak over the RSD is the deck setting device and the extra hydro valve. I don't mean this to sound or look sarcastic, I just can't see the extra expense and not gain anything. My lawn is the largest in the neighborhood and looks exactly the same as all the rest and I've got the only slum mower on the block, apparently. I know everything is taste and in the eye of the beholder. Just curious if you can actually feel or find anything worth the difference in price. I think both are grossly overpriced personally. lol
Thanks in advance,
Max
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mooch91
Hey Max. No sarcasm received, you make very good points and I think it depends. If what you've got is achieving the result you're after, then why would you need more?
I was the OP in the long-winded thread on the Raptor SD cut quality from a couple of years back. I bought my RSD 4 years ago, used it for a bit over a season, and was disappointed with how it was cutting on my lawn. I demoed the Fastrak and noticed an immediate improvement in cut quality. As mentioned above, I felt the control was slightly smoother, but that was not something I ever felt was 'bad' about the RSD. I think the deeper deck and slightly different discharge configuration made a substantial bit of difference in how it cut and discharged. I should say I have pretty high standards for cut quality, a relatively large yard (1.5 acres), and turf that grows very fast, and this was my sole reasoning for the upgrade. I was able to upgrade for only a couple hundred dollars loss on the RSD.
I seem to recall a lot of criticism at the time about my expectations for cut quality in that thread. Even after the upgrade, I still go back and forth about my impressions of the Fastrak. Depending on the time of year, growth situation, etc., there are times where I feel the Fastrak can't keep up with my specific turf. Under 'normal' conditions, in order to get a finished, clipping-free cut, I'm double cutting each mow, minimum once per week, ideally twice per week. During the early spring or wet weather, even that pace can leave the lawn looking unfinished (clippings, clumps) because growth is so fast. I've slowed down my fertilization and tried some different feeding techniques to keep the growth more reasonable, but my northern mix turf grows uncontrollably fast.
Even since I purchased the Fastrak, I've still wanted to demo a true commercial unit, to see if my expectations are too high or if what I'm seeking can be achieved with an even bigger/better mower. I don't know that I could ever justify the purchase price (even used) or the loss I would take on the Fastrak to upgrade. It seems the pros can rip through many of my neighbors' properties and have them looking good, once per week, with a fraction of the effort I'm putting out. Would a bigger engine, another half inch depth on the deck, a different deck design, and a wider discharge chute make a substantial difference? Not sure, but it would give me some confirmation as to whether it's my expectations or the mower that needs to change. Thankfully I enjoy lawn maintenance, but I do feel at times I've become a slave to the lawn.
Ultimately I think all of the Hustlers are very good mowers and there's enough variety and options with the different models to match each owner's needs and wants for value, speed, cut quality, etc.
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mooch91
Mooch,
I've ridden all of the Hustler mowers as the block I live on has all of them. Everybody was trying to talk me into the model they owned which is normal of course.
An elderly gentleman (yes, even more so than myself) across the street has a Fastrack and the only thing I like about it over my RSD is the ease of setting the mower deck height and a tiny bit of speed. Other than that, I can't find any differences between the RSD and the Fastrak. The hydros are exactly the same with the exception of the third valve in the hydros that makes the 2800 hydro a 3100. His Fastak isn't any less sensitive than the RSD though. His does have six gallons of fuel capacity. Mine only has 3 gallons originally. 4 gallons since I raised the fuel tank ventilation hose to the fuel cap level allowing the two upper chambers to fill without pushing out fuel. By the way, only thing is, he never runs it faster than about a mile and a half to maybe close to two mile per hour. Wears me out watching him. lol.
I was wondering if you can tell me other differences I can't seem to notice. I like my wider tires, I like my engine guard better, I like my muffler better as it is quieter with a dB meter, and both seem to control exactly the same to me.
Even the X One and the Super Zs on the block all handle the same and mine rides better than all of them now since the flex forks were added along with the suspension seat kit.
Only two things I see for the Fastrak over the RSD is the deck setting device and the extra hydro valve. I don't mean this to sound or look sarcastic, I just can't see the extra expense and not gain anything. My lawn is the largest in the neighborhood and looks exactly the same as all the rest and I've got the only slum mower on the block, apparently. I know everything is taste and in the eye of the beholder. Just curious if you can actually feel or find anything worth the difference in price. I think both are grossly overpriced personally. lol
Thanks in advance,
Max
Hey Max. No sarcasm received, you make very good points and I think it depends. If what you've got is achieving the result you're after, then why would you need more?
I was the OP in the long-winded thread on the Raptor SD cut quality from a couple of years back. I bought my RSD 4 years ago, used it for a bit over a season, and was disappointed with how it was cutting on my lawn. I demoed the Fastrak and noticed an immediate improvement in cut quality. As mentioned above, I felt the control was slightly smoother, but that was not something I ever felt was 'bad' about the RSD. I think the deeper deck and slightly different discharge configuration made a substantial bit of difference in how it cut and discharged. I should say I have pretty high standards for cut quality, a relatively large yard (1.5 acres), and turf that grows very fast, and this was my sole reasoning for the upgrade. I was able to upgrade for only a couple hundred dollars loss on the RSD.
I seem to recall a lot of criticism at the time about my expectations for cut quality in that thread. Even after the upgrade, I still go back and forth about my impressions of the Fastrak. Depending on the time of year, growth situation, etc., there are times where I feel the Fastrak can't keep up with my specific turf. Under 'normal' conditions, in order to get a finished, clipping-free cut, I'm double cutting each mow, minimum once per week, ideally twice per week. During the early spring or wet weather, even that pace can leave the lawn looking unfinished (clippings, clumps) because growth is so fast. I've slowed down my fertilization and tried some different feeding techniques to keep the growth more reasonable, but my northern mix turf grows uncontrollably fast.
Even since I purchased the Fastrak, I've still wanted to demo a true commercial unit, to see if my expectations are too high or if what I'm seeking can be achieved with an even bigger/better mower. I don't know that I could ever justify the purchase price (even used) or the loss I would take on the Fastrak to upgrade. It seems the pros can rip through many of my neighbors' properties and have them looking good, once per week, with a fraction of the effort I'm putting out. Would a bigger engine, another half inch depth on the deck, a different deck design, and a wider discharge chute make a substantial difference? Not sure, but it would give me some confirmation as to whether it's my expectations or the mower that needs to change. Thankfully I enjoy lawn maintenance, but I do feel at times I've become a slave to the lawn.
Ultimately I think all of the Hustlers are very good mowers and there's enough variety and options with the different models to match each owner's needs and wants for value, speed, cut quality, etc.
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
Thanks for the feedback on the Fastrak. I am happy with my RSD. It cuts really well once I put on the high lift blades. Clumping is no more now that I cut out the bar that obstructed the discharge chute. I just want more speed, so it the new Fastrak is only 1 mph faster than my RSD, I won't trade up. While they have my mower replacing the deck, I will see if I can take home a Fastrak demo to try it out.
I saw that Scag is having a sale on the Patriot mower through the end of the month. Their 61" mower comes with 3400 hydros and they claim 10mph which is what I am looking for. I'm going to stop by later this week and see how much they go for. I see them online for $7500 and as low as $6600 on clearance. A lot of change for a mower! I'm guessing my RSD is worth more in trade in value at the Hustler dealer vs the Scag dealer. Will be interesting what they offer me for the RSD.
I saw that Scag is having a sale on the Patriot mower through the end of the month. Their 61" mower comes with 3400 hydros and they claim 10mph which is what I am looking for. I'm going to stop by later this week and see how much they go for. I see them online for $7500 and as low as $6600 on clearance. A lot of change for a mower! I'm guessing my RSD is worth more in trade in value at the Hustler dealer vs the Scag dealer. Will be interesting what they offer me for the RSD.
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mhavanti
mhavanti
I have to consider the huge differences between your grass and the type of weather down here in mid Arkansas. Usually super hot, super humid weather here. The Bermuda isn't the thickest of grasses and that does make a difference. All my neighbors have the same grass other than mine is a hybrid something or other Bermuda that I stepped up and bought to make the lovely bride happy. I know, good luck with that, right?
At any length, my grass is a bit thicker than all the rest of the lawns in our subdivision of 697 houses. It still isn't all that thick compared to Zoyzia and many other grasses. There is one Zoyzia on my own block and it is always at 4 inches, fed about once a month and looks like a carpet.
My Bermuda after it is allowed to grow out is also at 4 inches and makes for a very nice carpet looking affect. I try not to allow the seeding out as by then, it looks shaggy and nobody wants that.
This season, there are a few yards having a hard time getting the weeds killed out and thus we have stunted the growth and to be honest, the yard looks terrible. It will be fine probably by the end of this month (June 2018 for those reading in the future) with the feeding, watering and I may even try getting out and speaking to each stem to see if I can possibly make it feel better. lol.
Before I purchased my RSD, I cut with the neighbor's Super Z and loved the fact it would make 12 plus mph while mowing. The fella got a little pee'od that I was running his mower so fast because "it isn't good for it". But then, all he mows is .5 acre or a tiny bit more. I cut a bit over .775 acre with the RSD. I have some really stupid property lines and almost impossible to make a pretty line due to them. However, with him running his 54" at probably 7.5 or so, me running my 60" wide open probably tops less than 7 as it has never seen the advertised mph. I still finish my yard before him. Now, the things I liked about his Z is the speed, the ease of the deck adjusting, engine oil cooler and that was about it. He purchased his as a demo with 77 hours on it. The dealer sold the adjustable seat from it. He never knew it was supposed to have one until I told him. lol. Well, the fuel injection is nice as well.
So the ride didn't excite me because his was as rough as mine before the flex forks and seat suspension kit. I'm also considering upgrading mine in my series of "modifications" to fuel injection or a two barrel carb set up. All just because and to make the videos. There will be an engine oil cooler installed in the future as well as a stacked hydro cooler radiator and remote two quart hydro filters along with a remote 2 quart oil filter. Temp gauges for both, etc. Why do all this, simply to make videos for others that may like to find upgrades that may or may not make their mowers better fit their needs.
I still wouldn't swap my RSD for the Super Z because by the time I get thru with mine, I'll have a much nicer mower for less than a half his money except the speed. Unless I run across a burn out Super Z and take the hydros and install them into the RSD.
I'll keep you informed. Hope you find the combination that gives you the cuts during each part of the season that satisfies you.
Good luck.
Max
At any length, my grass is a bit thicker than all the rest of the lawns in our subdivision of 697 houses. It still isn't all that thick compared to Zoyzia and many other grasses. There is one Zoyzia on my own block and it is always at 4 inches, fed about once a month and looks like a carpet.
My Bermuda after it is allowed to grow out is also at 4 inches and makes for a very nice carpet looking affect. I try not to allow the seeding out as by then, it looks shaggy and nobody wants that.
This season, there are a few yards having a hard time getting the weeds killed out and thus we have stunted the growth and to be honest, the yard looks terrible. It will be fine probably by the end of this month (June 2018 for those reading in the future) with the feeding, watering and I may even try getting out and speaking to each stem to see if I can possibly make it feel better. lol.
Before I purchased my RSD, I cut with the neighbor's Super Z and loved the fact it would make 12 plus mph while mowing. The fella got a little pee'od that I was running his mower so fast because "it isn't good for it". But then, all he mows is .5 acre or a tiny bit more. I cut a bit over .775 acre with the RSD. I have some really stupid property lines and almost impossible to make a pretty line due to them. However, with him running his 54" at probably 7.5 or so, me running my 60" wide open probably tops less than 7 as it has never seen the advertised mph. I still finish my yard before him. Now, the things I liked about his Z is the speed, the ease of the deck adjusting, engine oil cooler and that was about it. He purchased his as a demo with 77 hours on it. The dealer sold the adjustable seat from it. He never knew it was supposed to have one until I told him. lol. Well, the fuel injection is nice as well.
So the ride didn't excite me because his was as rough as mine before the flex forks and seat suspension kit. I'm also considering upgrading mine in my series of "modifications" to fuel injection or a two barrel carb set up. All just because and to make the videos. There will be an engine oil cooler installed in the future as well as a stacked hydro cooler radiator and remote two quart hydro filters along with a remote 2 quart oil filter. Temp gauges for both, etc. Why do all this, simply to make videos for others that may like to find upgrades that may or may not make their mowers better fit their needs.
I still wouldn't swap my RSD for the Super Z because by the time I get thru with mine, I'll have a much nicer mower for less than a half his money except the speed. Unless I run across a burn out Super Z and take the hydros and install them into the RSD.
I'll keep you informed. Hope you find the combination that gives you the cuts during each part of the season that satisfies you.
Good luck.
Max
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mhavanti
mhavanti
That 10 mph would be nice.
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
In my pursuit of a 10 mph upgrade, I stopped by the Scag dealer yesterday to look at the 61" Patriot. Comes with a Kawasaki FX 24hp engine, ZT3400 hydros and Scag says it will go 10 mph. He did not have any, but ordered one from Scag while I was there, and it should be here next week. They want $7000 for it. Downside is they won't take my Hustler in trade. He says he would not give me much for it so I would be better to sell it privately. While I agree I'll get more selling privately, trading in would be much more convenient. He also does not have a demo unit that I can try before I buy. Apparently the Patriots have been flying off the shelves with this summer's sale. Sale ends June 30, and the price goes back to $7500.
I am going to my Hustler dealer tomorrow. The 60" X-One is rated at 10.5mph and has a larger Kawasaki FX 27hp engine and Parker hydros. They have a new 2018 model on sale from $9500 to $8500 and a used 2017 with 97 hours for $7500. I want to see if I can talk them down on the used one and see what they will give me for my RSD with the new mower deck.
I am going to my Hustler dealer tomorrow. The 60" X-One is rated at 10.5mph and has a larger Kawasaki FX 27hp engine and Parker hydros. They have a new 2018 model on sale from $9500 to $8500 and a used 2017 with 97 hours for $7500. I want to see if I can talk them down on the used one and see what they will give me for my RSD with the new mower deck.
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mhavanti
mhavanti
Why not just purchase two 3400 hydrogear pumps, they are direct replacements, and send me your 2800s and wala, you'll have your 10 mph for about a grand outright.
I won't charge you a thing to let you dump those 2800's off on me considering I'm going to turn a set of 2800s into a set of 3400s. lol
How's that for fixing you right up?
Max
I won't charge you a thing to let you dump those 2800's off on me considering I'm going to turn a set of 2800s into a set of 3400s. lol
How's that for fixing you right up?
Max
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DK35vince
Sound like serious overkill.
My lawn is around 1040 long x 345 wide (Around 8.23 acres.)
I can mow it with my 72" Super Z in just over 2 hours. Averaging 4 acre per hour.
If I mowed a half acre of our lot it would take our Super Z about 8 minutes to mow.
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DK35vince
I guess I'm wondering why your neighbors have Super Z's and X-Ones for half acre lawns ?Mooch,
I've ridden all of the Hustler mowers as the block I live on has all of them. Everybody was trying to talk me into the model they owned which is normal of course.
An elderly gentleman (yes, even more so than myself) across the street has a Fastrack and the only thing I like about it over my RSD is the ease of setting the mower deck height and a tiny bit of speed. Other than that, I can't find any differences between the RSD and the Fastrak. The hydros are exactly the same with the exception of the third valve in the hydros that makes the 2800 hydro a 3100. His Fastak isn't any less sensitive than the RSD though. His does have six gallons of fuel capacity. Mine only has 3 gallons originally. 4 gallons since I raised the fuel tank ventilation hose to the fuel cap level allowing the two upper chambers to fill without pushing out fuel. By the way, only thing is, he never runs it faster than about a mile and a half to maybe close to two mile per hour. Wears me out watching him. lol.
I was wondering if you can tell me other differences I can't seem to notice. I like my wider tires, I like my engine guard better, I like my muffler better as it is quieter with a dB meter, and both seem to control exactly the same to me.
Even the X One and the Super Zs on the block all handle the same and mine rides better than all of them now since the flex forks were added along with the suspension seat kit.
Only two things I see for the Fastrak over the RSD is the deck setting device and the extra hydro valve. I don't mean this to sound or look sarcastic, I just can't see the extra expense and not gain anything. My lawn is the largest in the neighborhood and looks exactly the same as all the rest and I've got the only slum mower on the block, apparently. I know everything is taste and in the eye of the beholder. Just curious if you can actually feel or find anything worth the difference in price. I think both are grossly overpriced personally. lol
Thanks in advance,
Max
Sound like serious overkill.
My lawn is around 1040 long x 345 wide (Around 8.23 acres.)
I can mow it with my 72" Super Z in just over 2 hours. Averaging 4 acre per hour.
If I mowed a half acre of our lot it would take our Super Z about 8 minutes to mow.
#13
mhavanti
mhavanti
DK,
The dealer was n extreme "upsales" person. I was in business before he was born. His mother and father were customers of our Parts Distribution. He forgets that I sold them complete rebuild kits for a B&S back in the day for 9 bucks. Included piston, rod, gaskets, valves, valve springs and camshaft in the 70s. In the 80s, prices were as high as 13 to 15 bucks. 90s, 17 bucks. Millenium, 22 bucks, now days embarrassing.
Now them being retail, the 9 buck kit was sold by my dealers for somewhere around 35 dollars. He is selling spark plugs today for 11 dollars. My nephew now has my businesses and sells them to him for 2.85. This person along with most dealers believes in doubling to tripling, quadrupling and even more. Then cry when someone purchases a mower at a big box store.
He will NOT work on a Hustler sold at Lowes and won't touch anything he didn't sell even if it is the same brand of other equipment. So, he has stopped selling Raptors and he said this coming year when the Fastrak goes to Lowes, he won't sell them either.
Point to all this is: He doesn't like to sell anything below an XOne or Z. Doesn't make enough profit. Loses a lot of sales. However, he feels the commercials keeps in the lifestyle his wife is accustomed. When I purchased my RSD, he didn't have Lowes competition. He would try to push me to the XOne because I have almost an acre. I reminded him of his profits and he reminded me there are other dealers. He almost lost my sale over that.
Max
The dealer was n extreme "upsales" person. I was in business before he was born. His mother and father were customers of our Parts Distribution. He forgets that I sold them complete rebuild kits for a B&S back in the day for 9 bucks. Included piston, rod, gaskets, valves, valve springs and camshaft in the 70s. In the 80s, prices were as high as 13 to 15 bucks. 90s, 17 bucks. Millenium, 22 bucks, now days embarrassing.
Now them being retail, the 9 buck kit was sold by my dealers for somewhere around 35 dollars. He is selling spark plugs today for 11 dollars. My nephew now has my businesses and sells them to him for 2.85. This person along with most dealers believes in doubling to tripling, quadrupling and even more. Then cry when someone purchases a mower at a big box store.
He will NOT work on a Hustler sold at Lowes and won't touch anything he didn't sell even if it is the same brand of other equipment. So, he has stopped selling Raptors and he said this coming year when the Fastrak goes to Lowes, he won't sell them either.
Point to all this is: He doesn't like to sell anything below an XOne or Z. Doesn't make enough profit. Loses a lot of sales. However, he feels the commercials keeps in the lifestyle his wife is accustomed. When I purchased my RSD, he didn't have Lowes competition. He would try to push me to the XOne because I have almost an acre. I reminded him of his profits and he reminded me there are other dealers. He almost lost my sale over that.
Max
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BoylermanCT
Max, if I thought I had the skill do that, I would love to do it! If my 2800's die for some reason, I would be very tempted to do it. Do you think they are completely direct - all bolts will line up etc?
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BoylermanCT
Why not just purchase two 3400 hydrogear pumps, they are direct replacements, and send me your 2800s and wala, you'll have your 10 mph for about a grand outright.
I won't charge you a thing to let you dump those 2800's off on me considering I'm going to turn a set of 2800s into a set of 3400s. lol
How's that for fixing you right up?
Max
Max, if I thought I had the skill do that, I would love to do it! If my 2800's die for some reason, I would be very tempted to do it. Do you think they are completely direct - all bolts will line up etc?
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mhavanti
mhavanti
According to the manual and parts diagrams. Did you get the manual I sent you?
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mhavanti
mhavanti
Here is some research I have been doing on the comparisons of all the HydroGear pumps.
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
I did get the manual, and have it saved for future use! Thank you!
I watched a few videos on Youtube from HydroGear, and it sounded like the 2800, 3100 and 3400 were similar in design, but I did not get the idea that the casing on all three was identical. I sent Hydro Gear an email and will let you know what they say.
I watched a few videos on Youtube from HydroGear, and it sounded like the 2800, 3100 and 3400 were similar in design, but I did not get the idea that the casing on all three was identical. I sent Hydro Gear an email and will let you know what they say.
#18
mhavanti
mhavanti
There is a video of a fella rebuilding a 2800 and adding another shock valve. He shows the 28 and 31 are definitely the same. I looked at my neighbor's 31s and they have the exact measurements as the 28. I haven't gotten my hands on the other neighbor across the street's 3400 yet. I will.
However, am very interested in what they say.
However, am very interested in what they say.
#19
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
Max, I heard from Hydrogear:
The ZT-3400 would not be compatible. If you wish to install a ZT-3100 make sure that characters 3 through 14 in the Hydro-Gear model number match. Each character designate certain components and configurations. The link below shows a sample identification label that can be found on all of our products.
http://www.hydro-gear.com/owners/
The ZT-3400 would not be compatible. If you wish to install a ZT-3100 make sure that characters 3 through 14 in the Hydro-Gear model number match. Each character designate certain components and configurations. The link below shows a sample identification label that can be found on all of our products.
http://www.hydro-gear.com/owners/
#20
mhavanti
mhavanti
Boyler,
Thanks buddy. I'm still going to measure the mounting holes, lever locations, designs, etc. I'm betting they aren't much differences in them outwardly and if not, then maybe a direct bolt up. Even if not a direct bolt up, would be a fun modification to make.
As you know, I'm doing modifications just to make videos for those that want to improve or test their mower designs.
Looking forward to seeing what the factory said.
Thanks again,
Max
Thanks buddy. I'm still going to measure the mounting holes, lever locations, designs, etc. I'm betting they aren't much differences in them outwardly and if not, then maybe a direct bolt up. Even if not a direct bolt up, would be a fun modification to make.
As you know, I'm doing modifications just to make videos for those that want to improve or test their mower designs.
Looking forward to seeing what the factory said.
Thanks again,
Max
#21
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Grass Whisper
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Grass Whisper
I upgraded to a Fastrak 54. I really liked to change to the way the machine rode and how it feels solid. The biggest change is the improved cut. The Raptor seemed to leave grass trails in the yard and feel like it was a PIA to deal with the trails. I mulch and have the mulch kit. Now that I think of it, I have never done a thing but mulch with the Fastrak. Might one day take the sheild off and let the grass fly. Who knows.....
Good luck with your choice friend...
:biggrin:
Good luck with your choice friend...
:biggrin:
#22
mhavanti
mhavanti
Grass Whisperer,
That's another thing I've never experienced with my RSD. You may have hit on something for your Fastrak though. The Fastraks in the neighborhood, three of them. One on the opposite corner, a 2012 with the Honda engine, one around the corner, a 2009 with the Honda engine and a 2014 at the end of the second block with the FV691 Kawasaki all have issues with middle blade stragglers from time to time. We have discussed that and the quorum seems to be that it doesn't happen on every mow, it depends upon moisture, height of cut and land speed. I always laugh and tell them they are NOT moving fast enough to outrun the stragglers. lol
Anyhow, I wonder if the mulching device is what has given you the perfect cut. I can't find a thing wrong with my ole RSD other than the price on all mowers are ridiculously high for every mower out there. One thing to remember, the blade tip speed on both the RSD and Fastrak are the same, spindles are the same, blades are the same. If a deck is leaving stragglers, there can be many things causing it. I can't fault those Fastraks nor a RSD if that is happening until all avenues have been exhausted in the search for the problem. For the three owners, they don't seem to be upset enough to actually research their issue thus, they'll never know the whys or why nots and I'm not going to do it for them as they all would like. I would help them, but, not going to do it for them. It also goes back to not happening often for them of course.
My point is, if and when you try it without the mulching kit, let us know if the mower leaves stragglers and what you do to resolve the issue.
Thanks in advance,
Max
That's another thing I've never experienced with my RSD. You may have hit on something for your Fastrak though. The Fastraks in the neighborhood, three of them. One on the opposite corner, a 2012 with the Honda engine, one around the corner, a 2009 with the Honda engine and a 2014 at the end of the second block with the FV691 Kawasaki all have issues with middle blade stragglers from time to time. We have discussed that and the quorum seems to be that it doesn't happen on every mow, it depends upon moisture, height of cut and land speed. I always laugh and tell them they are NOT moving fast enough to outrun the stragglers. lol
Anyhow, I wonder if the mulching device is what has given you the perfect cut. I can't find a thing wrong with my ole RSD other than the price on all mowers are ridiculously high for every mower out there. One thing to remember, the blade tip speed on both the RSD and Fastrak are the same, spindles are the same, blades are the same. If a deck is leaving stragglers, there can be many things causing it. I can't fault those Fastraks nor a RSD if that is happening until all avenues have been exhausted in the search for the problem. For the three owners, they don't seem to be upset enough to actually research their issue thus, they'll never know the whys or why nots and I'm not going to do it for them as they all would like. I would help them, but, not going to do it for them. It also goes back to not happening often for them of course.
My point is, if and when you try it without the mulching kit, let us know if the mower leaves stragglers and what you do to resolve the issue.
Thanks in advance,
Max
#23
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kraky
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kraky
2 years ago I went from an SD to a fast-track and there are about 10 things I can think of that are upgrades and I really like it much better. But you are correct if speed is what you are looking for you will barely pick any up.
I will ramble through what I think are the pluses not in any particular order....
The fast-track is heavier and rides considerably better.
It has better traction on hillsides than the SD had.
The hydros are smoother and more accurate.
For some reason it leaves less tire tracks in soft soil... it mows cleaner for me on my Lawn & Stripes better.
It is a quite a bit quieter.
I like the spring assisted deck lift... the gauge wheels are much sturdier.
More fuel capacity and a electronic fuel gauge is nice.
More seat room and distance between the sticks I'm a big guy at 6 one and it's noticeable.
Longer warranty.... nicer deck depth stop.
Heavier build with less frame flexing and less lift of the front tires on uneven ground.
Overall I thought the SD was fine but every time I get on my FasTrak I giggle like a little kid and would pay the difference and buy it all over again in a heartbeat!
I will ramble through what I think are the pluses not in any particular order....
The fast-track is heavier and rides considerably better.
It has better traction on hillsides than the SD had.
The hydros are smoother and more accurate.
For some reason it leaves less tire tracks in soft soil... it mows cleaner for me on my Lawn & Stripes better.
It is a quite a bit quieter.
I like the spring assisted deck lift... the gauge wheels are much sturdier.
More fuel capacity and a electronic fuel gauge is nice.
More seat room and distance between the sticks I'm a big guy at 6 one and it's noticeable.
Longer warranty.... nicer deck depth stop.
Heavier build with less frame flexing and less lift of the front tires on uneven ground.
Overall I thought the SD was fine but every time I get on my FasTrak I giggle like a little kid and would pay the difference and buy it all over again in a heartbeat!
#24
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
Kraky, thank you for this. Very helpful! I was thinking a heavier machine would have a number of advantages, and you have confirmed it.
#25
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
I stopped by the Hustler dealer today and came home with the used X-One to demo for a day. Will mow with it tomorrow. Its 60" and has the 27hp FX850 engine plus grammar air ride seat. Its a much bigger and beefier machine than the Raptor SD. If it mows well at full speed I think I will keep it. I can finish my 2 acre field in just over an hour with the RSD, so I want to see what the X-One will do. Hustler rates the RSD at 3 acres an hour, but I think that is high. They claim 7.5mph but I know my RSD can only hit 6.5-6.75. I will clock the X-One with GPS to see if I can hit 10.5mph. They rate it for 6+ acres and hour. We'll see if it mows twice as fast as my RSD. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.
#26
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kraky
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kraky
Go big or go home LOL! I think you're going to be pretty amazed at how different the two units feel!
#27
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
All I can say is wow! The X-One clocked at 10mph on the GPS on the road. Zero turn steering is a bit trickier at 10mph compared to 6-7mph - my stripes leave something to be desired today! I mowed my 2 acre field in 35 minutes. My RSD does it in 65. I came inside after mowing the field, and my wife said I thought you were going to mow the field. I said I am done, she did not believe me! Mowing in the yard around the house did not gain as much time because the grass areas are smaller and broken up by fence, tree lines and over 40 trees to mow around, so you can't turn and burn like you can on an open field. Mowing quality at 10 mph was the same if not better than the RSD at 6.5 mph. The traction on the X-One was better, I did not slide on a hillside in my field like I do with the RSD. I am guessing 600 extra pounds will do that. The ride in the lawn area was very good. In the field is was very rough, but the air seat made it do-able. I know the tires were set at 25 psi from the dealer, and I will lower them to 10 like I do on my RSD, so that should help some. My RSD had flex forks, and the X-One does not, but I can get them if I choose. The X-One comes with a 5 year warranty, so even being used, I have 4 years remaining. So it looks like I will be trading in my RSD for the X-One! After trade in, the payments are $25 more than the RSD, but will last 2 extra years. The $25 a month is well worth the improvement in mowing time!
I have 3 sets of RSD blades I will give to my FIL so he can use them on his 54" Fastrak. I also have the RSD deck modification kit (allows you to cut off the bar across the deck opening and keep your machine in warranty and factory specs) that I bought to put on my RSD but stopped because the mowing deck was getting replaced under warranty. I paid $70 for it and it is new in box. If anyone wants it, it can be yours for $55 incl shipping. PM me.
I have 3 sets of RSD blades I will give to my FIL so he can use them on his 54" Fastrak. I also have the RSD deck modification kit (allows you to cut off the bar across the deck opening and keep your machine in warranty and factory specs) that I bought to put on my RSD but stopped because the mowing deck was getting replaced under warranty. I paid $70 for it and it is new in box. If anyone wants it, it can be yours for $55 incl shipping. PM me.
#28
mhavanti
mhavanti
Glad the X One will work out for you. I would get the dealer you're trading with to swap the flex forks from the RSD to the X One in the deal. Or, put a set on the X One in the deal.
Run it like you stole it and if you break it, fix it.
Max
Run it like you stole it and if you break it, fix it.
Max
#29
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DK35vince
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DK35vince
25 PSI in the tires will make the ride a lot worst than it needs to be.
Take them down to 8 PSI
Take them down to 8 PSI
#30
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BoylermanCT
Agreed! It was very rough on the maiden run. I'll adjust the PSI way down before the next run.
Max, I asked about the flex forks on the RSD, and they are not the right model for the X-One. I am guessing the weight difference between the two mowers requires beefier forks on the X-One. I have priced them for the X-One for $265, but will wait a bit before I pull the trigger on them.
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BoylermanCT
25 PSI in the tires will make the ride a lot worst than it needs to be.
Take them down to 8 PSI
Agreed! It was very rough on the maiden run. I'll adjust the PSI way down before the next run.
Max, I asked about the flex forks on the RSD, and they are not the right model for the X-One. I am guessing the weight difference between the two mowers requires beefier forks on the X-One. I have priced them for the X-One for $265, but will wait a bit before I pull the trigger on them.
#31
mhavanti
mhavanti
Could be heavier, I don't think so though. I just drove across the street with the RSD to compare to the X One. Appears to be the same other than mine are wider than his. My fronts are 13-650s, his are 13-5s. But then, his is also a 2009 model. Apparently everything had gone bigger on tires which I agree with. Without pulling his apart, I would know if they'll interchange, but, they sure look like they would.
Looks can be deceiving. lol That's what my wife says anyway.
Max
Looks can be deceiving. lol That's what my wife says anyway.
Max
#32
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BoylermanCT
The deck modification kit has sold.
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BoylermanCT
I also have the RSD deck modification kit (allows you to cut off the bar across the deck opening and keep your machine in warranty and factory specs) that I bought to put on my RSD but stopped because the mowing deck was getting replaced under warranty. I paid $70 for it and it is new in box. If anyone wants it, it can be yours for $55 incl shipping. PM me.
The deck modification kit has sold.
#33
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BoylermanCT
According to Hustler, the Raptor SD weight 666 lbs and the X-One weighs 1282 lbs. I have no idea how they pack twice the weight into the X-One! It does have the same front wheel size as the SD. Hustler supersized everything recently. My FIL has an older Fastrak which looks very close to my RSD. The new Fastrack is a much bigger machine.
I am getting ready to buy 7' fork lift extensions for my tractor / loader so I can back the mower onto the forks and lift up the mower to clean the deck, change blades etc. The loader wouldn't skip a beat lifting 666lbs, but will work a little to lift 1282. Don't worry, I have steel supports to put in place under the lift while the mower is up in the rare case the hydraulic hoses on the loader burst.
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BoylermanCT
Could be heavier, I don't think so though. I just drove across the street with the RSD to compare to the X One. Appears to be the same other than mine are wider than his. My fronts are 13-650s, his are 13-5s. But then, his is also a 2009 model. Apparently everything had gone bigger on tires which I agree with. Without pulling his apart, I would know if they'll interchange, but, they sure look like they would.
Looks can be deceiving. lol That's what my wife says anyway.
Max
According to Hustler, the Raptor SD weight 666 lbs and the X-One weighs 1282 lbs. I have no idea how they pack twice the weight into the X-One! It does have the same front wheel size as the SD. Hustler supersized everything recently. My FIL has an older Fastrak which looks very close to my RSD. The new Fastrack is a much bigger machine.
I am getting ready to buy 7' fork lift extensions for my tractor / loader so I can back the mower onto the forks and lift up the mower to clean the deck, change blades etc. The loader wouldn't skip a beat lifting 666lbs, but will work a little to lift 1282. Don't worry, I have steel supports to put in place under the lift while the mower is up in the rare case the hydraulic hoses on the loader burst.
#34
mhavanti
mhavanti
Great idea! Might want to burn some holes in the tines to drop a 3/8" bolt into in a couple of places for both to keep the mower from sliding off the tines while they are up in the air.
The life you save may be your own. lol
Good luck!
Max
The life you save may be your own. lol
Good luck!
Max
#35
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
We are on the same page. I am thinking of welding a couple of D rings onto the backplate of the forks and then use ratchet straps to hook to the D rings and go around the rear wheel to tie the mower to the forks. Having a 1200lb mower fall on you will ruin your day!
#36
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Kremeneon
Why lift the whole mower instead of just the front? I bought a jungle-jack and it pops my RSD in the air in seconds, with plenty of room to get my electric impact in there to pull the blades.
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Kremeneon
I am getting ready to buy 7' fork lift extensions for my tractor / loader so I can back the mower onto the forks and lift up the mower to clean the deck, change blades etc. The loader wouldn't skip a beat lifting 666lbs, but will work a little to lift 1282. Don't worry, I have steel supports to put in place under the lift while the mower is up in the rare case the hydraulic hoses on the loader burst.
Why lift the whole mower instead of just the front? I bought a jungle-jack and it pops my RSD in the air in seconds, with plenty of room to get my electric impact in there to pull the blades.
#37
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BoylermanCT
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BoylermanCT
I have a mower lift which lifts the front end up 24" or so. But I still have to get on my back on the ground to get under the deck. Tired of doing that. With the tractor and forks I can lift the mower up so I can walk under it. Much easier on the back! Plus gives me another excuse to use the tractor!
#38
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Kremeneon
Fair enough, Please be sure to block it up and not rely on only the hydraulics to keep you from being crushed.
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Kremeneon
I have a mower lift which lifts the front end up 24" or so. But I still have to get on my back on the ground to get under the deck. Tired of doing that. With the tractor and forks I can lift the mower up so I can walk under it. Much easier on the back! Plus gives me another excuse to use the tractor!
Fair enough, Please be sure to block it up and not rely on only the hydraulics to keep you from being crushed.
#39
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LeakyGasket
That is why next year I am thinking about trading my Fastrak in on a Grasshopper front mount, where the front can be turned up to nearly 90 degrees. I am tired of crawling around under the front wheel lifted machine.
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LeakyGasket
I have a mower lift which lifts the front end up 24" or so. But I still have to get on my back on the ground to get under the deck. Tired of doing that. With the tractor and forks I can lift the mower up so I can walk under it. Much easier on the back! Plus gives me another excuse to use the tractor!
That is why next year I am thinking about trading my Fastrak in on a Grasshopper front mount, where the front can be turned up to nearly 90 degrees. I am tired of crawling around under the front wheel lifted machine.
#40
Mr. Mower
Here's my $0.02 on this.....
You could always trade in your Fastrak for a Hustler Raptor Flip-Up.
Just another consideration for you.
I also did not want to mess around with lifting up a mower just to change blades, clean under the deck, etc. so I just purchased the Raptor Flip-Up and it's worked out great each time I need to clean under the deck, replace blades, etc.
It's quick, easy with no problems dick'in around, just press a button and lift, once all done, just press a button and lower and your all set!
No regrets on the decision to purchase it and as a matter of fact, once I first discovered that it was offered (Flip-Up feature) read up on all that I could about it, etc. well that was enough for me.
Believe me, it make's life a bit easier on dealing with cleaning and changing blades on a ZT mower.
https://www.hustlerturf.com/products/raptor-flip-up
So far I've been happy with it but overall the choice is yours alone to make, though keep in mind, this particular feature is definitely not for everyone.
There are a few other ZT mowers that also offer the same feature such as:
https://www.bigdogmowerco.com/mowers/blackjack
http://www.countryclipper.com/store/c1/mowers/p9/boulevard/
Mr. Mower
That is why next year I am thinking about trading my Fastrak in on a Grasshopper front mount, where the front can be turned up to nearly 90 degrees. I am tired of crawling around under the front wheel lifted machine.
Here's my $0.02 on this.....
You could always trade in your Fastrak for a Hustler Raptor Flip-Up.
Just another consideration for you.
I also did not want to mess around with lifting up a mower just to change blades, clean under the deck, etc. so I just purchased the Raptor Flip-Up and it's worked out great each time I need to clean under the deck, replace blades, etc.
It's quick, easy with no problems dick'in around, just press a button and lift, once all done, just press a button and lower and your all set!
No regrets on the decision to purchase it and as a matter of fact, once I first discovered that it was offered (Flip-Up feature) read up on all that I could about it, etc. well that was enough for me.
Believe me, it make's life a bit easier on dealing with cleaning and changing blades on a ZT mower.
https://www.hustlerturf.com/products/raptor-flip-up
So far I've been happy with it but overall the choice is yours alone to make, though keep in mind, this particular feature is definitely not for everyone.
There are a few other ZT mowers that also offer the same feature such as:
https://www.bigdogmowerco.com/mowers/blackjack
http://www.countryclipper.com/store/c1/mowers/p9/boulevard/
#41
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LeakyGasket
Thanks for the info. Will check it out.
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LeakyGasket
Here's my $0.02 on this.....
https://www.hustlerturf.com/products/raptor-flip-up
So far I've been happy with it but overall the choice is yours alone to make, though keep in mind, this particular feature is definitely not for everyone.
There are a few other ZT mowers that also offer the same feature such as:
https://www.bigdogmowerco.com/mowers/blackjack
http://www.countryclipper.com/store/c1/mowers/p9/boulevard/
Thanks for the info. Will check it out.
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DK35vince
They are a lot heavier built.
Example, Look at the frame. (especially noticable around the engine, wheel motors/pumps)
Much heavier built than the Raptor
The X-One frame is more similar to the Super Z.
The decks are heavier. Heavier duty transmissions, Etc, Etc. (the weight differences are more than just model decals)
Here is a video of the build of Super Z Hyper Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vdM8zTu96XY
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DK35vince
According to Hustler, the Raptor SD weight 666 lbs and the X-One weighs 1282 lbs. I have no idea how they pack twice the weight into the X-One! It does have the same front wheel size as the SD. Hustler supersized everything recently. My FIL has an older Fastrak which looks very close to my RSD. The new Fastrack is a much bigger machine.
They are a lot heavier built.
Example, Look at the frame. (especially noticable around the engine, wheel motors/pumps)
Much heavier built than the Raptor
The X-One frame is more similar to the Super Z.
The decks are heavier. Heavier duty transmissions, Etc, Etc. (the weight differences are more than just model decals)
Here is a video of the build of Super Z Hyper Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vdM8zTu96XY
#43
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DK35vince
Frame for a Raptor SD https://www.hustlerturf.com/file/118791EX.pdf
Frame for a X-One https://www.manualslib.com/manual/74849/Hustler-Automobile-Accessories.html?page=8#manual
Massive difference in weight/strength between frames
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DK35vince
Here is what I'm talking about for much of the weight differences.According to Hustler, the Raptor SD weight 666 lbs and the X-One weighs 1282 lbs. I have no idea how they pack twice the weight into the X-One! It does have the same front wheel size as the SD. Hustler supersized everything recently. My FIL has an older Fastrak which looks very close to my RSD. The new Fastrack is a much bigger machine.
Frame for a Raptor SD https://www.hustlerturf.com/file/118791EX.pdf
Frame for a X-One https://www.manualslib.com/manual/74849/Hustler-Automobile-Accessories.html?page=8#manual
Massive difference in weight/strength between frames
#44
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DK35vince
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DK35vince
The FasTrak frame is heavier vs the Raptor also for much of its 200 lb weight difference.
https://www.hustlerturf.com/file/d9a5f63eb2f61d19fbb66cda22fd6deeb8eca21c.pdf
https://www.hustlerturf.com/file/d9a5f63eb2f61d19fbb66cda22fd6deeb8eca21c.pdf