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Quick change valve

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Mr Hogg Willetts

Mr Hogg Willetts

Hi, I have quick change oil valve on my Troy bilt Pony 2020.
I changed the oil yesterday. I drained it after mowing on a hot mower. the lawnmower shop owner had given me the wrong filter. It spun on but was slightly larger for a Kawasaki. I didn't realize until it was all apart.

Anyway, he had to order the right one. I re-changed the oil last night. First off, I had trouble pulling that yellow plastic valve out the second time around after turning it and getting it out of the detente. It seemed really tight to pull out. I pulled harder and it pulled out too far, making a nice mess. The little nipple on the metal part that guides through the plastic to lock it came through the factory slit. (The Part closest to the motor.
I pushed it back on and cleaned up changes the oil etc.
my question is how can I make that plastic part a little easier to pull. I cleaned it up with a toothbrush. Is the plastic part replaceable on its own? I read a Thread on here that a Said you can remove that plastic piece to tighten the actual metal valve down.

Does anyone have one of these things disassembled . I am trying to picture how this functions internally.

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#2

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

If I was you and had removed the entire drain valve, I would replace it with a drain hose and not that twist and pull valve that is known to unscrew from the engine, break off and come apart, either way I have seen more than one of those valves cause unexpected sudden engine disassembly.


#3

Mr Hogg Willetts

Mr Hogg Willetts

I did not remove the entire fitting, the plastic part came too far forward when pulling it. The metal tit so to speak passed the cut in the yellow part momentarily. I pushed it back and it's fine. I get i can change this to something else, but I'm asking about thw function of this piece as stated above.


#4

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

The plastic piece just has 2 o-rings internally that seal the oil in, when you pull it forward the Orings no longer block the drain hole.
I'd advise replacing it like Ilengine said. Theyre a pain to deal with and can cause you alot of financial pain when you have to buy a new mower or engine.


#5

Mr Hogg Willetts

Mr Hogg Willetts

What stops it from pulling too far forward when pulling it


#6

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Mr Hogg Willetts said:
What stops it from pulling too far forward when pulling it
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There is no hard stop to prevent pulling the thing apart again. And you will be tightening the threaded portion everytime you service the mower.


#7

Mr Hogg Willetts

Mr Hogg Willetts

the Interface between the mower and unit has never been loose or leaked. Mine made a mess when I pulled to hard when . The plastic piece wouldn't pull forward at first and then I pulled it too far forward.and it leaked I'm guessing between the bottom of the plastic and metal from being pulled too far forward.


#8

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

Mr Hogg Willetts said:
What stops it from pulling too far forward when pulling it
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There's a notch in the plastic that catches on a small bump on the metal part of it, but it's easily pulled over it.


#9

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

ILENGINE said:
There is no hard stop to prevent pulling the thing apart again. And you will be tightening the threaded portion everytime you service the mower.
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You can take a small chisel and hammer and carefully tighten the metal threaded portion into the engine block. Many drains are loose that I change the oil on for customers.


#10

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Tiger Small Engine said:
You can take a small chisel and hammer and carefully tighten the metal threaded portion into the engine block. Many drains are loose that I change the oil on for customers.
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I have had several over the years that you couldn't tighten the drain due to the flats hitting the frame below the engine. Have to remove engine to tighten the twist and pull drains.


#11

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Auto Doc's

They were designed to be "customer friendly", but I have seen them cost owners an engine a few times. After a few years of oil changes, they will pop open on their own.

They are a faulty design just by being made out of plastic.

I recommend you look into getting a drain hose style with a steel or brass cap on it like what is used on many zero turn models.


#12

Mr Hogg Willetts

Mr Hogg Willetts

What do you recommend for Troy bilt pony 42"


#13

StarTech

StarTech

I agree they are trouble just awaiting to happen.

Here when they are loose at the mounting I use a custom crowfoot tool to remove them so some blue Loctite can be applied and then reinstall them.

But I would prefer to install a DrainzIt 1438 hose assembly since, if I remember correctly, these fittings are 3/8 NPT. Now you need to a conduit retaining clip the retain the hose when no in use.


#14

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slomo

Get an oil extractor. Forget all the valves mess (literally) and tipping pushers over. Forget crawling under the car.
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Mr Hogg Willetts

Mr Hogg Willetts

I have one


#16

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oldntired55

ILENGINE said:
If I was you and had removed the entire drain valve, I would replace it with a drain hose and not that twist and pull valve that is known to unscrew from the engine, break off and come apart, either way I have seen more than one of those valves cause unexpected sudden engine disassembly.
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my sister ruined a rider with less than 30 hrs on it when a stick kicked up, dislodged the twist lock, lost the oil while she was mowing, she was unaware the oil was leaking,,, until the engine locked up! one more for the scrap heap, due to a manufacturer "built in self- destruct device":cool:


#17

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oldntired55

Tiger Small Engine said:
You can take a small chisel and hammer and carefully tighten the metal threaded portion into the engine block. Many drains are loose that I change the oil on for customers.
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when i take them out, they get replaced with an iron fittng and plug!


#18

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RevB

oldntired55 said:
my sister ruined a rider with less than 30 hrs on it when a stick kicked up, dislodged the twist lock, lost the oil while she was mowing, she was unaware the oil was leaking,,, until the engine locked up! one more for the scrap heap, due to a manufacturer "built in self- destruct device":cool:
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Why mow sticks?


#19

S

slomo

Any extra add-on to an oiling system is a time b o m b. Fancy oil coolers. Cool two quart Chevy filter relocation kits. Cost me a new engine once. Pulled that mess off and went right in the trash. Never had another issue again.


#20

S

SamB

RevB said:
Why mow sticks?
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You KNOW who mows over sticks and even stumps and bricks/rocks, don't you!
;-)


#21

StarTech

StarTech

SamB said:
You KNOW who mows over sticks and even stumps and bricks/rocks, don't you!
;-)
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Those that like spending money on repairs.


#22

A

Auto Doc's

The mower decks work pretty good for leveling out mole hills also.


#23

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Had a customer that I always said, if you could grow anvils in your yard, she would try to mow one.


#24

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Freddie21

Anyone that has ever drained oil thru one of those valves has probably swore at it loudly. Bad design. If it's not leaking now, wait till your next oil change and replace it. A short pipe nipple (3/8" pipe if I remember correctly), a 90 degree elbow and a screw in plug into the elbow works great. Gets the oil away from the frame. If you want to get fancy, you could always insert a valve in line.


#25

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JimP2014

Mr Hogg Willetts said:
Hi, I have quick change oil valve on my Troy bilt Pony 2020.
I changed the oil yesterday. I drained it after mowing on a hot mower. the lawnmower shop owner had given me the wrong filter. It spun on but was slightly larger for a Kawasaki. I didn't realize until it was all apart.

Anyway, he had to order the right one. I re-changed the oil last night. First off, I had trouble pulling that yellow plastic valve out the second time around after turning it and getting it out of the detente. It seemed really tight to pull out. I pulled harder and it pulled out too far, making a nice mess. The little nipple on the metal part that guides through the plastic to lock it came through the factory slit. (The Part closest to the motor.
I pushed it back on and cleaned up changes the oil etc.
my question is how can I make that plastic part a little easier to pull. I cleaned it up with a toothbrush. Is the plastic part replaceable on its own? I read a Thread on here that a Said you can remove that plastic piece to tighten the actual metal valve down.

Does anyone have one of these things disassembled . I am trying to picture how this functions internally.
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The only thing I'm going to address is you need to bring it to the man you see the man knows more than you oh wait a minute you brought it to the man there's some clown on here who will trash you if you don't bring it to the man so wherever you can get help to fix your problem that's where you want to go.


#26

M

mmoffitt

I'm kinda getting the drift from all the people who have had first hand experience with this "little yellow gadget" that this is a not a good idea...replace it with something else before you have to replace an engine
IMHO and theirs too...Happy lubrication is a happy Engine!


#27

jes_in_sac

jes_in_sac

As many have said... replace that nuisance valve, which is just waiting to breakoff and destroy your engine, with a real steel plug. And yes, I did have one break off, but I noticed it in time. The little bit of inconvenience and messy dealing with a real plug is nowhere near the inconvenience and cost of a destroyed engine when that "convenience oil valve" drains all your oil out when you didn't want it to.
A wise friend once told me to look at what they tout as features on a product, and they are usually the weakest point that will fail.
If you still want the convenience, replace it with a steel pipe nipple and a steel cap. which will extend the drain to where you can catch the draining oil.


#28

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BackAtOne

Mr Hogg Willetts said:
Hi, I have quick change oil valve on my Troy bilt Pony 2020.
I changed the oil yesterday. I drained it after mowing on a hot mower. the lawnmower shop owner had given me the wrong filter. It spun on but was slightly larger for a Kawasaki. I didn't realize until it was all apart.

Anyway, he had to order the right one. I re-changed the oil last night. First off, I had trouble pulling that yellow plastic valve out the second time around after turning it and getting it out of the detente. It seemed really tight to pull out. I pulled harder and it pulled out too far, making a nice mess. The little nipple on the metal part that guides through the plastic to lock it came through the factory slit. (The Part closest to the motor.
I pushed it back on and cleaned up changes the oil etc.
my question is how can I make that plastic part a little easier to pull. I cleaned it up with a toothbrush. Is the plastic part replaceable on its own? I read a Thread on here that a Said you can remove that plastic piece to tighten the actual metal valve down.

Does anyone have one of these things disassembled . I am trying to picture how this functions internally.
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Does Famuto make drain valves for lawnmowers? I have one on all my vehicles


#29

T

Tdj2591

Mr Hogg Willetts said:
Hi, I have quick change oil valve on my Troy bilt Pony 2020.
I changed the oil yesterday. I drained it after mowing on a hot mower. the lawnmower shop owner had given me the wrong filter. It spun on but was slightly larger for a Kawasaki. I didn't realize until it was all apart.

Anyway, he had to order the right one. I re-changed the oil last night. First off, I had trouble pulling that yellow plastic valve out the second time around after turning it and getting it out of the detente. It seemed really tight to pull out. I pulled harder and it pulled out too far, making a nice mess. The little nipple on the metal part that guides through the plastic to lock it came through the factory slit. (The Part closest to the motor.
I pushed it back on and cleaned up changes the oil etc.
my question is how can I make that plastic part a little easier to pull. I cleaned it up with a toothbrush. Is the plastic part replaceable on its own? I read a Thread on here that a Said you can remove that plastic piece to tighten the actual metal valve down.

Does anyone have one of these things disassembled . I am trying to picture how this functions internally.
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Something like this.

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ZKaren

Mr Hogg Willetts said:
Hi, I have quick change oil valve on my Troy bilt Pony 2020.
I changed the oil yesterday. I drained it after mowing on a hot mower. the lawnmower shop owner had given me the wrong filter. It spun on but was slightly larger for a Kawasaki. I didn't realize until it was all apart.

Anyway, he had to order the right one. I re-changed the oil last night. First off, I had trouble pulling that yellow plastic valve out the second time around after turning it and getting it out of the detente. It seemed really tight to pull out. I pulled harder and it pulled out too far, making a nice mess. The little nipple on the metal part that guides through the plastic to lock it came through the factory slit. (The Part closest to the motor.
I pushed it back on and cleaned up changes the oil etc.
my question is how can I make that plastic part a little easier to pull. I cleaned it up with a toothbrush. Is the plastic part replaceable on its own? I read a Thread on here that a Said you can remove that plastic piece to tighten the actual metal valve down.

Does anyone have one of these things disassembled . I am trying to picture how this functions internally.
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You can actually eliminate that by replacing it with a piece of galvanized pipe cut slightly longer for easy access. Match the threads and on other end put a screw on cap to prevent leaking.


#31

M

mcspeed

Another great idea concocted in the marketing department.

I wouldn’t consider a “quick drain” type valve on anything I own…..especially one made of plastic. RUFKM?

If I can’t unscrew a drain plug I have no business changing the oil.


#32

L

louwdj

Oil extractor (Pela 6000) is all use on my vehicles and lawn equipment. Can even change oil with my Sunday suit on, without getting dirty - not that I do!


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