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No Hot Start Briggs & Stratton Model 100202 (circa 1980s) 4HP, Pulsa-Jet Carb

#1

J

jkekenj

Looking for ideas as to what I may have missed trouble shooting.

Problem Description:
This engine will always Start when it’s Cold and continue to run until shut off.
Once warmed up, most of the time it will not start. When fully hot it does not start at all.
I’m using and electric drill to start it as I nearly wore out my arm with the pull start.

What I have Checked so Far:

Fuel
  • Fuel is fresh, regular octane
  • Fuel tank is full
Electrics
  • Spark from magneto to ground is visible
  • Point set at 0.020” as specified
  • Magneto to flywheel gap 0.012” (spec 0.010 – 0.014”)
  • Spark plug gapped 0.030” as specified
  • Spark is also visible with spark tester in series with spark plug.
Carburetor – Pulsa-Jet Slide Choke
  • Removed carb, cleaned all orifices and installed new diaphragm & spring kit, set jet screw 1 ½ turns out.
  • Carb appears to draw fuel as small upper gas tank chamber had fuel in it when carb removed.
Engine
  • Found Valve clearance Intake 0.004”(spec 0.005 - 0.007) Exhaust 0.009” (spec 0.007 – 0.009)
  • Removed head, cleaned valves and removed carb, intake set to 0.006”.
  • Valve seat and valve faces in very good condition
  • Cylinder walls smooth but cross hatches still visible.
  • Although compression is not really a good indicator, I measured about 60 PSI.
  • B&S manual indicates adequate compression if there is a sharp rebound while turning the flywheel counterclockwise. I feel this rebound.
Replacing the magneto on speculation would cost about $80 (local price) and a brand new higher horsepower (Harbor Freight / Princes Auto) engine can be had for ~ $150.
I’ve put too much time into this thing, but I would really like to find out Root Cause.
If anyone has any idea as to anything else I have missed checking, please let me know and I’ll follow up.


#2

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

Will it fire up hot if you choke it? or if you spray starting fluid/parts cleaner in the carb?


#3

J

jkekenj

Yes. I tried adding fuel manually.
I have sprayed fuel into the carb (top opening)
Then applied the choke (the rear section slides out and blocks off air from the top, most air comes from a pipe that sucks crankcase air/oil mist)
Most of the time it would not start, but it would start now then if I continued cranking for a longer than normal time.

I've also removed the spark plug and sprayed fuel into the chamber. Again sometime it would start once the fuel/air ratio was withing combustible range.

I've also played with the throttle plate and was able to start sometime. The throttle seems to move very easily and normally sits full open. Its attached to the governor lever via linkage.

Carb normal settings.jpg


#4

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

I would start with a simple thing first and try a new spark plug.... Also, have you looked at the color of the spark plug, Brown, White, black?


#5

J

jkekenj

Yes I was considering the spark plug, but I did not have the correct one on hand. I'll need to purchase the right one tomorrow.
Thanks for your support.


#6

R

Rivets

Please post the type and code numbers. Need to figure out it you have a pulsa-jet or vacu-jet carb.


#7

J

jkekenj

Its a 100202 with the pulsa-jet as shown above from the Briggs service manual.

Found another spark plug from another mower.
Started up immediately and I ran it for about 5 minutes. Got to normal operating hot.
Restarted ok after a few turns (more turns than when cold)

Shut it off a few times and then it would not start again.
Tried full choke on but not strat. Did have some backfires
Tried with choke wide open but no start.
Then I rotated the throttle plate with my finger as far as it would close. This started the engine at very low speed and eventually it would stop on its own.
Tried it a few times with throttle closed and it stated but would not keep running. If I allowed the throttle to open, it would stop immediately.

I'm thinking something is closing off in the carb as it heats up. I think I should give it an ultrasonic cleaning.
Any other thoughts?


#8

R

Rivets

I know it’s a lot of work to go get those numbers, so I’ll give you this clue as what to look for and then will be ignoring this thread, as you sound you know more than me. After you adjusted the valve clearance, did you relap the valves? 60 psi is low for those older engines, did you check it both dry and wet? Did you check for spark both hot and cold? Did you replace the manifold gasket and check it for leaks when hot?


#9

J

jkekenj

This is the carb

Pulsa-Jet carb.jpg
Pulsa-Jet carb1.jpg
Pulsa-Jet carb1.jpg
Pulsa-Jet carb2.jpg

Pulsa-Jet carb3.jpg

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#10

J

jkekenj

Did not re-lap the valves. They looked good, see pictures. Did not want grit to get inside engine. I would have had to totally disassemble and clean everything.
Torqued the heads to the specified 140 psi with original gasket. I would expect heat to reduce any leak due to expansion, since it works ok from cold and until I shut it off.
Prior to the valve job, I did put oil into cylinder and only notices about 5 psi compression difference. Briggs does not give compression specs. The manual indicated if you have a rebound its good enough.
Spark is good both hot and cold

valve.jpgseats.jpg


#11

S

slomo

Look for a TINY crack in the plastic fuel extension tube that goes from carb into tank. A magnifying glass and good light would help.

Could be a warped carb flange AT the engine block mount. Remove carb. Get a 12 x 20 sheet of plate glass - cheap at a glass shop. Take 220 wet/dry paper and look for uneven areas on that flange face. Might have to get some 120 or rougher to true her up. Then work her down finer to a 400-600 grit shine.

I use my vertical garage door glass and some sand paper. Let the paper do ALL of the work. Just hold the flange flat as possible and work it SLOWLY. Rotate the carb around while doing this step. Hold the carb with your finger tips only while sanding. Don't need a ton of pressure at all..........

Once you get that flange flat and true, GENTLY SNUG the two nuts to mount the carb. Use a fresh thick OEM Briggs gasket. If I recall the Briggs gaskets are a full min 1/8" or 1/4" thick. The replacement Chinese carbs come with half thickness gaskets, beware. I would guess at 5 ft lbs of torque is all you need on the nuts. Check your engine manual for proper torque spec. Tighten with your weak hand using OPEN fingers on the wrench. Don't grip down on the wrench. Carb isn't going to fall off. It's not a wheel lug nut.

That engine should start and run fairly easily. That carb also has a welch plug on the side facing you. Need to remove it and rod out the 3 or 4 holes behind the plug. Reinstall the plug with super glue to seal it. Gas will not eat super glue.

Be aware if you put another carb on it. Air filter housings are non existent for some of those. Check around for parts before ordering anything to complete the job.

Also as one poster stated, try a double dose of seafoam. Run it till the carb is full of SF. Let it soak for several days/week/s.


#12

S

slomo

Round 2

Look for a mesh looking filter that goes over your plastic fuel extension tube. Goes on the bottom of the plastic tube to stop trash getting into the carb. It's a secondary filter not on all carbs. Here it is.




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#13

S

slomo

Round 3

Make sure the fuel tank is SPOTLESS. Don't just look into it and call it good. There is all kinds of tiny grit and grime in the bottom.


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