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Anyone else get this from email message from Microsoft ? ( Edited for clarity )

Nope.
But I like 10 better than the current

11 is terrible. Added more buttons to get to where you were trying to get to in windoze 10. 11 has more back door, three letter entitie spying capability added of course.

I used to like computers. Not any more. I still have a couple running XP. LOL. Getting too old and cranky to deal with it. 11 sucks bat crap off cave walls.

Scrub, I like 10 also. But got email from MS saying support stops tonite for Windows 10.

I use Mac, sooo : )

Just means they are not updating Win anymore. Heck I am still using Win 7 Pro; although, I will have to upgrade as some programs will no longer work with it.

I got one site that has Microsoft 365 that Microsoft is demanding full access to my system in order to use the distributor's site. So right now it a pain to have to email my orders in. I am okay with the necessary cookies but don't need Microsoft poking around in my WiFi system and accessing my customers computers and phones. I have no idea what is on their equipment. Otherwords I don't want any spyware added to my system or being sent a bunch of useless ads.

7394 said:

Anyone else get this from email message from Microsoft ? ( Edited for clarity )

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Windows 10 will reach its end of life (EOL) on October 14, 2025: it is true

RayMcD said:

Windows 10 will reach its end of life (EOL) on October 14, 2025: it is true

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It will still work (obviously) but no more support it says

The main reason to upgrade which means nearly all new equipment at times is the software we are running get updated to where it will no longer work with operating system. The I have is they keep putting in back doors for them and the law enforcement to over ride our password protected info.

Personally I don't anything illegal on my system but I do have items that no one has business having access to like my income tax forms and medical records.

You guys need to try Linux Lite. If you can run Windoze, an easy stretch running Linux. No need to find unobtanium drivers and many other easy things if does on it's own. No need to load or find a printer driver........ No viruses and Linux people don't poo-poo where they eat.

I still have a 2003 laptop running XP that has $1200 audio and acoustical testing and analysis software that is licensed to that laptop. My audio business is winding down so not going to drop $2k for the new version and a new laptop.

In 2008 I tried Ubuntu. It was easier than expected.
Dual boot so I could choose between Ubuntu and Windows XP if I needed that for something.
Never touched the windows again.
Now not any computer here in the house has any windows on it. Never looked back.

I'm dutch and used a side from a dutch guy with instructions.
Since some years he has his side also in english.
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/1.html

At this time Linux-Mint is the easiest way to start. My wife has it on her PC.
I myself have a special distro from Linux that is oriëntated to make music. ( my guitar f.e. runs true the PC and I use the PC as an effect-board)

Linux, it's free, no virusses.
Very good support forums if you have a problem.

It is possible to put it on an USB-stick or CD/DVD and start you PC from that. So you can try it first. Your windows on harddisk will not be touched.

Good luck

Oh and I forgot: it is much faster than Windows.
And I'm still use the PC that once came with XP on it.

lemen said:

At this time Linux-Mint is the easiest way to start.

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Have to disagree. Linux Lite is the closest "looking" desktop and functioning clone to a Windoze machine IMO. Windoze 11 is another animal. I'm talking about Win 7 and 10 looking.

11 you have to hit 4 more buttons to get where you want compared to 7 and 10. Oh and it's sooo much faster............ BS

I'm not familiar with Linux Lite, Mint is more famous I think. But can differ on the sites where you read.
But I think we can agree that what people choose it should be based on Debian.
There are a lot of options, and that is maybe the biggest disadvantage of Linux. To much choice.
On the other hand, you can choose what fit to you, instead of fitting yourself to Windows every time there is a new version.

I had an E-MU soundcard, Expensive toy. Worked under XP. But windows had no drivers for windows 7. Lot of complaining on forums. I think it took a half year before Windows had drivers for the card.
I had it running all the time under Linux.

I believe that in reading up on this the last few months, current stats show that W10 installs make up almost 50% of the computers being used, with W11 being about 30%. Many people believe that Microsoft was trying to force people to upgrade at a huge cost and people are saying no, just like how they feel about EV being forced on them. Microsoft won't want the liability of half the computers out there subject to security flaws, but no one knows yet how they will handle it, so everyone waits. My clients have no desire to replace 3 and 4 year old computers just because their processors are not on an approved list. My clients intend to continue as is, maybe hook up with 0Patch

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Anyone else get this from email message from Microsoft ? ( Edited for clarity )

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Windows 11 is the worst. They have put so many places to go to that I cannot find what I am looking for. Like picture they show the same way to get to them, but when you use it, all of the files are not there. Now you have a Home a Personal and a Gallery. It takes a while to find your files. Lets go back to XP

melvin1942 said:

Windows 11 is the worst.

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Thanks foe the 411 on that.. I like win 10..

7394 said:

Anyone else get this from email message from Microsoft ? ( Edited for clarity )

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Yes, I got the same email. Windows 10 support ends 10/2025.

Yep, want everyone to jump on Win 11, & help them sort out all the bugs..

sgkent said:

Long Live Windows 10... With 0patch

End of Windows 10 Support Looming? Don't Worry, 0patch Will Keep You Secure For Years To Come! October 2025 will be a bad month for many W...

blog.0patch.com

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Yes that's the ticket.. Thank U..

I switched to Linux years ago. Tried 10 different distros. Top of list = Linux Lite 6.0, Mint 21.3, Xubuntu 24.04. All 3 are Ubuntu based and easy to transition from Windows. So, it really boils down to what "desktop" (GUI) you prefer. I like XFCE of Xubuntu - an official flavor of Ubuntu w/ 3 years of updates (LTS).

dougand3 said:

I switched to Linux years ago. Tried 10 different distros. Top of list = Linux Lite 6.0, Mint 21.3, Xubuntu 24.04. All 3 are Ubuntu based and easy to transition from Windows. So, it really boils down to what "desktop" (GUI) you prefer. I like XFCE of Xubuntu - an official flavor of Ubuntu w/ 3 years of updates (LTS).

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The only complaint I have with the Linux series is one of my clients uses AutoCad in their business (surveying) and Autodesk does not support it on Linux systems (although they do support it on Apple systems).

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The only complaint I have with the Linux series is one of my clients uses AutoCad in their business (surveying) and Autodesk does not support it on Linux systems (although they do support it on Apple systems).

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Wine and Wine Tricks I think it's called. Probably a few more programs that allow you to run Windoze programs on a Linux box. I've never tried AutoCad on Linux. Probably a Linux version of AutoCad out there???

Always the dual boot way as well. Windoze and Linux.

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11 has more back door, three letter entitie spying capability added of course.

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Run this. This will use the firewall and block them. You can also add in your routing table to direct the names to dev null. Also in browsing, don't use Chrome or Edge as they may have hidden spyware. Use Mosaic or Brave and get the extensions to block trackers, spyware, etc. Personally, I use ublock to block all utube adds- it works...

(right click CMD to run dos in administrator mode)
Set-NetFirewallProfile -all

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_vortex.data.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=191.232.139.254 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.252.92 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_oca.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.252.63 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.252.93 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_watson.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.252.43,65.52.108.29 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_redir.metaservices.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=194.44.4.200,194.44.4.208 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_choice.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=157.56.91.77 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.7 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.91 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.93 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.92 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.94 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.9 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.11 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_telemetry.appex.bing.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=168.63.108.233 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_telemetry.urs.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=157.56.74.250 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=111.221.29.177 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=64.4.54.32 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_survey.watson.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=207.68.166.254 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_watson.live.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=207.46.223.94 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_watson.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.252.71 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=64.4.54.22 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=131.107.113.238 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_compatexchange.cloudapp.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=23.99.10.11 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=68.232.34.200 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_a-0001.a-msedge.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=204.79.197.200 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=64.4.54.22 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=157.56.77.139 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=134.170.58.121,134.170.58.123,134.170.53.29,66.119.144.190,134.170.58.189,134.170.58.118,134.170.53.30,134.170.51.190 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_diagnostics.support.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=157.56.121.89 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_corp.sts.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=131.107.113.238 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=134.170.115.60 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_pre.footprintpredict.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=204.79.197.200 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_i1.services.social.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=104.82.22.249 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_feedback.windows.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=134.170.185.70 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_feedback.microsoft-hohm.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=64.4.6.100,65.55.39.10 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_feedback.search.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=157.55.129.21 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_rad.msn.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=207.46.194.25 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_preview.msn.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=23.102.21.4 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_dart.l.doubleclick.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=173.194.113.220,173.194.113.219,216.58.209.166 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_ads.msn.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=157.56.91.82,157.56.23.91,104.82.14.146,207.123.56.252,185.13.160.61,8.254.209.254 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_a.ads1.msn.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=198.78.208.254,185.13.160.61 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_global.msads.net.c.footprint.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=185.13.160.61,8.254.209.254,207.123.56.252 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_az361816.vo.msecnd.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=68.232.34.200 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.252.63 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.91 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_df.telemetry.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.52.100.7 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net" dir=out action=block remoteip=68.232.34.200 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=64.4.54.32 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_pre.footprintpredict.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=204.79.197.200 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_i1.services.social.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=104.82.22.249 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_ssw.live.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=207.46.101.29 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=134.170.115.60 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_msnbot-65-55-108-23.search.msn.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=65.55.108.23 enable=yes

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="telemetry_a23-218-212-69.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com" dir=out action=block remoteip=23.218.212.69 enable=yes

What the heck. Must be page one of all the back door tricks LOL. Wow.

Where did you get this upandup?

Looks like something I need to load into my PFSense box.

Windoz 11 won't work on my 7 year old Toshiba PC, which came with Win 8hate, which I manually updated to Windozed 10. Remember how much everyone hated 8? So I got 7 years of support out of a $700.00 machine.

In 2020 My wife gave me a hardened water resistant Asus Chromebook, to use for working outside... in the shop, on the boats, and just for fun. Google claims it will support it until June 2029. It works great. I use it far more often that the more expensive, larger Toshiba. It cost $500.00. When it was partially crushed Asus mail order repaired it for $120. It runs everything I use on the PC, including MS Office and apps work just fine.

7 years of support for a $700 MS Windows Toshiba PC.
9 years from a $500 Chrome computer.
Can you guess which company is going to get my money next time?

slomo said:

What the heck. Must be page one of all the back door tricks LOL. Wow.

Where did you get this upandup?

Looks like something I need to load into my PFSense box.

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Just search for "block spyware" and people point out this. I collected these from several docs online. Look up the command, each line is adding a block entry in the firewall. If it was opening ports, then I would not run it.

It's the world of cmd from the old windows. You can do the same thing manually in the Firewall settings.
Good ol' when u have alot of work to do, script\program it.

why can't they go back to Windows 3.1, when things worked..... windows 11 sucks worse than Congress

I'm trying a new to me Linux - Debian 12.8 w/ XFCE. Faster & more stable than Ubuntu 24.04.1 (Ubuntu is based on Debian). The distro might not have all the pkgs you need but fairly easy to find/install. Eg: I had to add 2 pkgs to mount my Moto Edge phone for file transfer.

How HD space needed for the installation?

30 gb minimum Hard Disk Drive space for Operating System. I put the OS on it's own Solid State Drive - much faster than older platter-wand mechanical HDDs. Installation USB stick - probably fit on 1 gb stick. 120gb SSDs are ~$15 these days.

dougand3 said:

30 gb minimum Hard Disk Drive space for Operating System. I put the OS on it's own Solid State Drive - much faster than older platter-wand mechanical HDDs. Installation USB stick - probably fit on 1 gb stick. 120gb SSDs are ~$15 these days.

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Good thing I asked I'm down to 11 GB here.

Well....30 gb is minimum for OS & programs that I want. Debian WILL install w/ only 1 gb free space. You could have a dual boot system - choose Windoze or Linux from boot loader. I've had errors with that and don't trust it for important stuff. Is this a laptop w/ only 1 HDD slot?

Don't know if I have a space in the mini tower for a slave drive.