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Kohler SV735 DSAM Bad??

#1

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

The short video attached should explain it better than I can.

Essentially I'm not getting 12v to my fuel shutoff solenoid unless I unplug the 12 volt lead to my DSAM.

One thing to note in addition to what I mentioned in the video about unplugging the other leads to see if anything changed, is that I've continuity checked the 12 volt source to the d-sam with all the 6 other leads and I'm not getting any registered shorts.




#2

V

VegetiveSteam

With everything plugged is as it would normally be, do you get any spark when cranking the engine over? I doubt there is anything wrong with the DSAM. I think you have a supply voltage issue. With the DSAM unplugged you're measuring voltage that isn't being asked to do any work. When you plug the DSAM in, you're now creating a draw making that voltage try to do work. Unplug the DSAM and fuel solenoid and use a fused jumper wire to power both of those components directly from the positive terminal of the battery and see if everything works correctly. If it does, then you need to see why voltage would be dropping on the wiring going to the DSAM and fuel solenoid.


#3

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

With everything plugged is as it would normally be, do you get any spark when cranking the engine over? I doubt there is anything wrong with the DSAM. I think you have a supply voltage issue. With the DSAM unplugged you're measuring voltage that isn't being asked to do any work. When you plug the DSAM in, you're now creating a draw making that voltage try to do work. Unplug the DSAM and fuel solenoid and use a fused jumper wire to power both of those components directly from the positive terminal of the battery and see if everything works correctly. If it does, then you need to see why voltage would be dropping on the wiring going to the DSAM and fuel solenoid.

Yeah good point. If feels like the source of the issue is the DSAM since when disconnected the voltage shows right. But maybe it's simply the normal load of the DSAM that is overpowering the system from a separate issue. When this was on the mower I checked spark on both cylinders and I was getting spark. I can check again though.

But first I'm going to do what you suggested by disconnecting the harness altogether. The harness to the motor is only four wires. A 12v to the fuel shutoff, a 12v to the DSAM, the white ignition kill which is ungrounded during running, and the purple charging wire. Technically all I need is the two 12v sources I think, with the white wire ready to ground.

For what it's worth, the battery is good. It was used to crank the motor off and on for a good 10 minutes from a full charge with no issues.


#4

R

Rivets

Maybe the wiring diagram in this manual will help you out. https://resources.kohler.com/power/...9.1090484172.1709579829-1886006271.1709579829


#5

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

Yep, thanks. I've got it on my bookmarks already. Invaluable with these motors.


#6

StarTech

StarTech

Bad or loose connections.
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#7

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

Bad or loose connections

I don't think this is the issue. I've triple cleaned the main engine harness plug and it looks good. However the rest of the harness is complex and just laying all over the workbench. So it's possible there are deeper issues involved in the harness as a whole. I'll be removing the harness later and testing without it.


#8

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

Follow up post.

I disconnected the main harness and direct connected 12v to the DSAM and the Solenoid. Motor fired right up with no issues. Revs up and down (no load) easily. Must be something in the main harness. Luckily I don't need that. To the trash can it goes. This is just a spare motor I picked up for my other mower.

The bigger issue now is that I'm getting uneven compression readings. Around 140psi on #1 and 180psi on #2. Not ideal. I'd feel better if it was both 140 to be honest. Opinions welcome...


#9

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

Follow up post.

I disconnected the main harness and direct connected 12v to the DSAM and the Solenoid. Motor fired right up with no issues. Revs up and down (no load) easily. Must be something in the main harness. Luckily I don't need that. To the trash can it goes. This is just a spare motor I picked up for my other mower.

The bigger issue now is that I'm getting uneven compression readings. Around 140psi on #1 and 180psi on #2. Not ideal. I'd feel better if it was both 140 to be honest. Opinions welcome...
A ten percent differential between cylinders is what you are looking for as acceptable. I would check the valve clearance as a first step. Could be worn rings, partially blown head gasket, etc.


#10

StarTech

StarTech

Just throwing money away. I would have repaired the harness and eBayed it if I didn't need it. Lots people looking to replace their damaged harnesses.


#11

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

A ten percent differential between cylinders is what you are looking for as acceptable. I would check the valve clearance as a first step. Could be worn rings, partially blown head gasket, etc.
Which cylinder is the problem? 180 is too high isn't it? 140 is a little low, but very acceptable for an engine with hours on it. Right??


#12

StarTech

StarTech

As said first make sure the valves are adjusted correctly. Then do a leak down test to look blown head gasket, worn rings, or leaky valves.

Some engines it is acceptable for up to 20% different between cylinders, just depends on the manufacture specs.


#13

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

As said first make sure the valves are adjusted correctly. Then do a leak down test to look blown head gasket, worn rings, or leaky valves.

Some engines it is acceptable for up to 20% different between cylinders, just depends on the manufacture specs.
This motor should have hydraulic lifters so valves can't be adjusted. But I'll pull the valve covers off and look for any anomalies. Maybe a worn cam causing valves not to fully travel or something. At least I can rule some things out maybe.


#14

I

ILENGINE

This motor should have hydraulic lifters so valves can't be adjusted. But I'll pull the valve covers off and look for any anomalies. Maybe a worn cam causing valves not to fully travel or something. At least I can rule some things out maybe.
The SV Courage engines use a solid lifter not hydraulic. So need to check valve clearances.


#15

V

VegetiveSteam

180 lbs of compression is perfect and what that engine would have had brand new. We like to see a minimum of 150 but 140 doesn't necessarily mean you have a major problem. What does the spark plug look like on the 140 side? Does it look a lot different than the 180 side spark plug? Like was mentioned, a leak down test could tell you a lot.

As far as your wiring issue goes, I'd want to check the voltages again with the DSAM plugged in and unplugged but this time check it with the key in the start position. To keep the starter from turning, disconnect the small excite wire from the solenoid before you start your tests. See if you get the same voltage readings as you did with the key in the run position. If the reading you get in the start position are what they should be, I'd start by cutting the diode out of the run circuit wire and put the wire back together without it. It doesn't need it and Kohler took the diode out on the run circuit wire on later models. Or at least check on the input side of the diode and see if your voltages differ on that side. Make sure you get the run side diode and not the start side. The start side diode is definitely needed.


#16

V

VegetiveSteam

Like IL mentioned, your engine has solid lifters. Only the Command engines had hydraulic lifters. If memory serves me correctly, the SV twin clearance is .004-.006 on both intake and exhaust.


#17

Turbodriven

Turbodriven

180 lbs of compression is perfect and what that engine would have had brand new. We like to see a minimum of 150 but 140 doesn't necessarily mean you have a major problem. What does the spark plug look like on the 140 side? Does it look a lot different than the 180 side spark plug? Like was mentioned, a leak down test could tell you a lot.
Both spark plugs look golden brown. No real difference. Both appear healthy.

Edit: That is an interesting note about the lifters/valves. I'll check clearances. To be honest, I haven't pulled a Courage apart yet. It'll be a learning experience.


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