John Deere 44M Piranha secondary drive belt or idler arm issue?

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  • / John Deere 44M Piranha secondary drive belt or idler arm issue?
Bought a Dayco v-belt at Fleet Farm to replace a cracked OE secondary drive belt (the one that weaves through the pulleys on the mower deck) on my 1996 John Deere LX-176 with 44 inch Piranha deck. Installed the belt, tension seemed right, figured I was good to go. Started mowing and smelled burnt rubber. Checked the new belt and it was warm. Drove it into the garage, pulled the deck and can see the issue - there is a bolt sticking up from the bottom of the deck near the idler pulley that is contacting the belt at certain points. A significant part of the belt has already frayed as a result. Interesting, though, that the belt wasn't uniformly frayed, just on maybe 1/3 of it, suggesting it could just be a poor quality belt with excess variance in thickness..?

The Dayco belt is spec'ed at 5/8 in. wide and 111 in. long. The Deere OE belt is spec'ed at 5/8 in. wide and 111 1/4 long. The idler doesn't seem to pull the belt overly tight - it seems about the same as the OE belt fit; snug but not tight. The idler arm doesn't seem to be stretching the spring any more than the Deere belt did, so that 1/4 inch in length doesn't seem like the issue.

The strange thing is that there is a fair amount of vertical play in the idler arm. There is a white plastic bushing inside the idler arm assembly, but it doesn't seem visibly worn or damaged. If I lift the idler arm, it can be raised to a position where the belt would not contact the bolt. But, if I let the idler arm sit in it's normal operating position, it will periodically contact that bolt. And, although my JD OE belt had a split in it, it never seemed to fray or burn. I think it just got old (lots of temp variation throughout the year in MN).

Anyone ever encounter this issue? If yes, how did you fix it?

Thanks!
 

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It sounds like the idler bushing is worn out, possibly allowing the drive to move out of plane. Maybe that is why it is hitting the bolt (the belt is running out of original plane).

Hope that helps. Feel free to reach out if you have additional questions.

Brian Wheeler
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  • / John Deere 44M Piranha secondary drive belt or idler arm issue?
It sounds like the idler bushing is worn out, possibly allowing the drive to move out of plane. Maybe that is why it is hitting the bolt (the belt is running out of original plane).

Hope that helps. Feel free to reach out if you have additional questions.

Brian Wheeler
Dayco Marketing Manager

Thanks, Brian. I tend to agree - the idler arm seems to have too much vertical travel. When I hold it at the higher point of that vertical travel (which looks level to me) neither the pulley nor the belt contact the bolt. I'll run the deck to my local JD dealer and have a new idler arm bushing and belt installed. Wish the idler arm bolt wasn't so darn tight, but I doubt it's been touched since 1996...
 

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  • / John Deere 44M Piranha secondary drive belt or idler arm issue?
Would you please help me? I have the same deck and cannot figure out the routing of the belt. could you post up a pic of yours? This would be a huge help! thanks, Chuck




Bought a Dayco v-belt at Fleet Farm to replace a cracked OE secondary drive belt (the one that weaves through the pulleys on the mower deck) on my 1996 John Deere LX-176 with 44 inch Piranha deck. Installed the belt, tension seemed right, figured I was good to go. Started mowing and smelled burnt rubber. Checked the new belt and it was warm. Drove it into the garage, pulled the deck and can see the issue - there is a bolt sticking up from the bottom of the deck near the idler pulley that is contacting the belt at certain points. A significant part of the belt has already frayed as a result. Interesting, though, that the belt wasn't uniformly frayed, just on maybe 1/3 of it, suggesting it could just be a poor quality belt with excess variance in thickness..?

The Dayco belt is spec'ed at 5/8 in. wide and 111 in. long. The Deere OE belt is spec'ed at 5/8 in. wide and 111 1/4 long. The idler doesn't seem to pull the belt overly tight - it seems about the same as the OE belt fit; snug but not tight. The idler arm doesn't seem to be stretching the spring any more than the Deere belt did, so that 1/4 inch in length doesn't seem like the issue.

The strange thing is that there is a fair amount of vertical play in the idler arm. There is a white plastic bushing inside the idler arm assembly, but it doesn't seem visibly worn or damaged. If I lift the idler arm, it can be raised to a position where the belt would not contact the bolt. But, if I let the idler arm sit in it's normal operating position, it will periodically contact that bolt. And, although my JD OE belt had a split in it, it never seemed to fray or burn. I think it just got old (lots of temp variation throughout the year in MN).

Anyone ever encounter this issue? If yes, how did you fix it?

Thanks!
 
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